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	<title>Comments on: BLACK TIDE LEARN ABOUT THE BIZ THE HARD WAY; FIRST WEEK SALES NUMBERS DISAPPOINT</title>
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		<title>By: A Great Artist</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Great Artist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not for nothing, but it is the band&#039;s first release and aside from opening for Avenged Sevenfold back in the Fall, the only touring experience these kids have is two weeks on Ozzfest where they opened the Main Stage.I dunno about the other dates, but when the tour hit PNC in Jersey, these kids went on and somewhere half way through their second song I could hear people chanting &quot;I Will Be Heard.&quot; That&#039;s right, Hatebreed hadn&#039;t even finished yet.So considering the circumstances, 11,357 feels like a good number in this case.I say wait until the next record.Now is when they need to start to build their following.Most importantly, they need to figure out who their audience is gonna be.Either open for real metal acts or every popular band who&#039;s gone mainstream out of Orange County.They can&#039;t pander to both crowds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not for nothing, but it is the band&#8217;s first release and aside from opening for Avenged Sevenfold back in the Fall, the only touring experience these kids have is two weeks on Ozzfest where they opened the Main Stage.I dunno about the other dates, but when the tour hit PNC in Jersey, these kids went on and somewhere half way through their second song I could hear people chanting &#8220;I Will Be Heard.&#8221; That&#8217;s right, Hatebreed hadn&#8217;t even finished yet.So considering the circumstances, 11,357 feels like a good number in this case.I say wait until the next record.Now is when they need to start to build their following.Most importantly, they need to figure out who their audience is gonna be.Either open for real metal acts or every popular band who&#8217;s gone mainstream out of Orange County.They can&#8217;t pander to both crowds.</p>
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		<title>By: christa</title>
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		<dc:creator>christa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its crazy how interscope sits on mainstream rock acts whom I love (Adelitas Way, chris cornell) who would sell records and pushes Metal???? no wonder A&amp;r guys are all getting fired.  interscope sits on bands like Adelitas Way and even amazing rap acts like kenna(im sure u havent heard of either act;) and puts millions into this it??? who ever is running this ship i feel bad for</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its crazy how interscope sits on mainstream rock acts whom I love (Adelitas Way, chris cornell) who would sell records and pushes Metal???? no wonder A&amp;r guys are all getting fired.  interscope sits on bands like Adelitas Way and even amazing rap acts like kenna(im sure u havent heard of either act;) and puts millions into this it??? who ever is running this ship i feel bad for</p>
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		<title>By: nessa</title>
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		<dc:creator>nessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in my opinion, i think as they get older, their skills develop, they release more cd&#039;s, singles, etc., their popularity will grow. their music video was just added into the headbanger&#039;s ball show... eventually people will catch on to it. as a teenager, i know other teenagers get most of their music from the radio &amp; music video shows - such as hbb. metal isn&#039;t exactly HUGE right now in the mainstream...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in my opinion, i think as they get older, their skills develop, they release more cd&#8217;s, singles, etc., their popularity will grow. their music video was just added into the headbanger&#8217;s ball show&#8230; eventually people will catch on to it. as a teenager, i know other teenagers get most of their music from the radio &amp; music video shows &#8211; such as hbb. metal isn&#8217;t exactly HUGE right now in the mainstream&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marlon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a huge opening for a first record for ANY band. That&#039;s more than other highly touted major label bands did they first week of their debut record like Mudvayne(10,000), Bullet For My Valentine(10,000), and even Trivium(7,000) who did a shit ton of touring before Ascendancy dropped.  They sold almost 12,000 records in the downloading era where it&#039;s becoming harder and harder to sell records. Comparing them to Meshuggah is apples and oranges. Meshuggah had their biggest opening of their career. It&#039;s a credit to them for making a brilliant record and their label for getting the records in the stores. Plus it&#039;s much easier for an established act with a good soundscan history to get a big ship the first week in order to scan a bunch of records. You may be right about the big hype machine, but this is one instance where it actually worked. Sorry , you are dead wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a huge opening for a first record for ANY band. That&#8217;s more than other highly touted major label bands did they first week of their debut record like Mudvayne(10,000), Bullet For My Valentine(10,000), and even Trivium(7,000) who did a shit ton of touring before Ascendancy dropped.  They sold almost 12,000 records in the downloading era where it&#8217;s becoming harder and harder to sell records. Comparing them to Meshuggah is apples and oranges. Meshuggah had their biggest opening of their career. It&#8217;s a credit to them for making a brilliant record and their label for getting the records in the stores. Plus it&#8217;s much easier for an established act with a good soundscan history to get a big ship the first week in order to scan a bunch of records. You may be right about the big hype machine, but this is one instance where it actually worked. Sorry , you are dead wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: VegasEric</title>
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		<dc:creator>VegasEric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they suck ...duh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they suck &#8230;duh</p>
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		<title>By: J.P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So... that&#039;s the Backstreet version of Heafy &#039;n the boys? jeje, well I wish them the best, hope they turn out to be good musicians, but it does feel kind&#039;a nice to have a Major label fail at prefabricating good music, feels reasuring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230; that&#8217;s the Backstreet version of Heafy &#8216;n the boys? jeje, well I wish them the best, hope they turn out to be good musicians, but it does feel kind&#8217;a nice to have a Major label fail at prefabricating good music, feels reasuring.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow.... I never thought people would actually try to put together a band copying Trivium.....wow..... in a really bad way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow&#8230;. I never thought people would actually try to put together a band copying Trivium&#8230;..wow&#8230;.. in a really bad way.</p>
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		<title>By: ERiK</title>
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		<dc:creator>ERiK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kid bands suck.  They&#039;ve always sucked.  I don&#039;t know why everyone makes a big deal about young pussy faced &quot;musicians&quot;.  If a band is good because of their age, it means they&#039;re really not that good, but they&#039;re cute cause they&#039;re kids.  Hopefully they&#039;ll get strung out on coke and dope.  Maybe then I&#039;ll respect them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kid bands suck.  They&#8217;ve always sucked.  I don&#8217;t know why everyone makes a big deal about young pussy faced &#8220;musicians&#8221;.  If a band is good because of their age, it means they&#8217;re really not that good, but they&#8217;re cute cause they&#8217;re kids.  Hopefully they&#8217;ll get strung out on coke and dope.  Maybe then I&#8217;ll respect them.</p>
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		<title>By: NuMallCore Pwns Yo Mama</title>
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		<dc:creator>NuMallCore Pwns Yo Mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just can&#039;t get into these guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just can&#8217;t get into these guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have I mentioned how awful their cover of &quot;Hit the Lights&quot; was?  A few words come to mind: wimpy, boring, unenthusiastic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have I mentioned how awful their cover of &#8220;Hit the Lights&#8221; was?  A few words come to mind: wimpy, boring, unenthusiastic&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MetalAC13</title>
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		<dc:creator>MetalAC13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean they are a young band.  In a few years (assuming the labels don&#039;t fuck them over), they have the potential to be one of the bigger metal bands out there.

They are actually pretty good live too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean they are a young band.  In a few years (assuming the labels don&#8217;t fuck them over), they have the potential to be one of the bigger metal bands out there.</p>
<p>They are actually pretty good live too.</p>
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		<title>By: Sammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Black Tide this is not&quot;? Wow, and did you just realize the sun comes up in the east? They&#039;re 14 - 19 fucking years old! How in hell would they have toured more than once in their young lives? How would they have created a presence? From their middle school? The only way a band like this could make it is to have them pushed and propped up by a label. I&#039;ve even heard the word &quot;sellout&quot; in relation to this band. How? Because they stopped listening to Sesame Street records? C&#039;mon, they&#039;re kids who are being told what to do. The only difference is that these kids at least have a chance to succeed because they actually have talent.

Give &#039;em a break. They&#039;re not New Kids on the Block or Menudo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Black Tide this is not&#8221;? Wow, and did you just realize the sun comes up in the east? They&#8217;re 14 &#8211; 19 fucking years old! How in hell would they have toured more than once in their young lives? How would they have created a presence? From their middle school? The only way a band like this could make it is to have them pushed and propped up by a label. I&#8217;ve even heard the word &#8220;sellout&#8221; in relation to this band. How? Because they stopped listening to Sesame Street records? C&#8217;mon, they&#8217;re kids who are being told what to do. The only difference is that these kids at least have a chance to succeed because they actually have talent.</p>
<p>Give &#8216;em a break. They&#8217;re not New Kids on the Block or Menudo.</p>
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		<title>By: RobInjection</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobInjection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, they sold almost as many copies in their first week as Meshuggah did last week, and the &#039;shug has been around for 10 years. How is that really disappointing? You weren&#039;t expecting a top 10 album were you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, they sold almost as many copies in their first week as Meshuggah did last week, and the &#8217;shug has been around for 10 years. How is that really disappointing? You weren&#8217;t expecting a top 10 album were you?</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I&#039;m a &quot;high-profile&quot; publicist now? I love you guys!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I&#8217;m a &#8220;high-profile&#8221; publicist now? I love you guys!</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you&#039;re right, you&#039;re right, and you, sir, are right. 

Plus, this band is really boring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you&#8217;re right, you&#8217;re right, and you, sir, are right. </p>
<p>Plus, this band is really boring.</p>
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		<title>By: shreyashi</title>
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		<dc:creator>shreyashi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree... agree and agree even more. Unless a band works at the grass-root level to create a presence, major labels and their carpet-bombing tactics would benefit none. Its unfortunate that a band has to go through it all... but can&#039;t entirely empathize since history is all too telling.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree&#8230; agree and agree even more. Unless a band works at the grass-root level to create a presence, major labels and their carpet-bombing tactics would benefit none. Its unfortunate that a band has to go through it all&#8230; but can&#8217;t entirely empathize since history is all too telling.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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