you mean instead of cassettes? dubs? and records like most metal heads grew up on?
quit whining.

generally speakers, triggers literally trigger one sound, with no regard for dynamics, volume, variation, and human-ness in general.

I like people who use triggers, and I like those who don’t. But I must honestly say I respect people who don’t use triggers more.

I believe that most (not all) drummers that are against a click track …. CAN’T PLAY TO ONE.

I know, I use to be one.

Guess I don’t need one.

And it sounds beautiful. Vinnie Paul sounding kick-ass beautiful.

May 7th, 2008 at 3:48 pm

100% correct. Compression is the biggest problem in metal production these days (well, all music production actually) it’s the quest to make something that sounds good on TV for the video and radio that causes this sameness in sounds.

Click tracks are for people who aren’t all that musically inclined to begin with, sorry. If you have half a sense of rhythm you can record without a click track. I’ve it a billion times and will do it a billion more.

Triggers = lame. Unless you are an industrial band, play your damn drums. If you can’t play it, then you don’t deserve to sound like you are playing it.

ProTools/Logic/Sonar/etc: not to blame for anything. People have been editing on analog for years the same way just taking longer. Isabella Rossilini in Blue Velvet could sing a lick and they literally had her sing every work individually and they took the best takes of each word, pitch corrected if possible and pieced it back together. It took a hell of a lot longer than on a DAW but they still did it. They have been punching in an out of guitar solos in the same way for years too. (that’s another bone of contention, if you can’t play the guitar solo in one take, you suck and need to write one that you are capable of playing)

Also re: DAW’s I hear a lot of people complain about the sound compared to analog and then proceed to give me an mp3 or CD to listen to as an example of how much richer it is. News flash: the instant your precious analog his CD or MP3 form it was digitized and has no more fidelity than the computer only recording.
Do I prefer the live sound of a tube amp to a solid state? Hell yes. Can you really tell the difference on a CD/MP3 not really if they tweak it right. You’d be shocked how many people use the solid state Marshall with tube emulaiton on for recording then bust out the tubes live claiming it’s the one they’ve used all along.

I agree, more bass!

and more production like Cavalera Conspiracy – awesome album to blast in the car!!!

*yes, i’m a bass player

Mastodon understand this.

No click tracks..no triggers..

That kills your Roadrunner theory.

then from THAT decide if you need/want to layer 2nd/3rd/etc guitar tracks, vocal tracks, etc etc…

reason being, that the “finished recorded product” is what stands to judge the song, and sometimes even the band, forever…and unlike a “live show” (which is usually LOUD), a recording is usually listened to at a variety of volume levels…so in order to reach a “thickness” obtained through said live performance, you’re usually gonna have to overdub and duplicate tracking on at least guitars and vox and metal, and thus the need for drum triggers…

but then sometimes you get some overdone stuff that just sounds too abnormal…so hence the balance…and the beauty of today’s technology is, if it’s “too many” tracks…delete some…damnit! :p

I understand why bands do it, because it makes it a helluva lot easier to get the constant double-kick sound that everyone seems to love.

But jesus, some of the bands who use it just sound terrible. A lot of the more recent metal albums have just had terrible kick drum sounds, where you can tell they had been blatantly processed.