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	<title>Comments on: GOD FORBID&#8217;S DALLAS COYLE ON SKETCHY CLUB PROMOTERS</title>
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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2008/05/28/god-forbids-dallas-coyle-on-sketchy-club-promoters/#comment-85831</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome post Dallas, great job calling out said promoter. I&#039;m in the Phoenix area, was at Gigantour freezing my a-- off when I was getting it kicked by the Bodom and Flames pit, and unfortunately had no idea you were playing.  Or else I would have totally gone to see you guys, and made sure you got to the next town.

- Robbie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome post Dallas, great job calling out said promoter. I&#8217;m in the Phoenix area, was at Gigantour freezing my a&#8211; off when I was getting it kicked by the Bodom and Flames pit, and unfortunately had no idea you were playing.  Or else I would have totally gone to see you guys, and made sure you got to the next town.</p>
<p>- Robbie</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2008/05/28/god-forbids-dallas-coyle-on-sketchy-club-promoters/#comment-83999</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 05:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dallas, let me tell you something brutha. I was at The Sets on that faithful day and I rocked out hard. I was right there in front of you with my buddy John and we were singing along with you and even got worried when you&#039;re string broke on your guitar. You told me it was going to be okay though. I had a lot of fun and I really thank you for playing to 20+ people. I had a great time and you guys rocked. So thanks man.

Marcus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dallas, let me tell you something brutha. I was at The Sets on that faithful day and I rocked out hard. I was right there in front of you with my buddy John and we were singing along with you and even got worried when you&#8217;re string broke on your guitar. You told me it was going to be okay though. I had a lot of fun and I really thank you for playing to 20+ people. I had a great time and you guys rocked. So thanks man.</p>
<p>Marcus</p>
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		<title>By: GOD FORBID&#8217;S DALLAS COYLE ON THE TOURING GAME &#124; MetalSucks</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2008/05/28/god-forbids-dallas-coyle-on-sketchy-club-promoters/#comment-78144</link>
		<dc:creator>GOD FORBID&#8217;S DALLAS COYLE ON THE TOURING GAME &#124; MetalSucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is a rough animal. Last week I went into a tirade about a promoter who stiffed us on cash. It may have been a little harsh but fuck it. Eventually we will be paid because there is a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: manny</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2008/05/28/god-forbids-dallas-coyle-on-sketchy-club-promoters/#comment-76854</link>
		<dc:creator>manny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to promote shows in Chicago and never once had someone complain about screwing them out of money, guess playing in bands myself made me a bit more aware of issues they face. 

HOWEVER,without knowing what&#039;s in GF&#039;s contract and if the guarantee was sent beforehand (which is normally is) how can we say they for sure got screwed? I&#039;ve had people pay on pay or play deals (ie. they get paid even if they don&#039;t bother showing up) who ended up &#039;drawing&#039; 100 people to the show who had the temerity to ask if they brought enough people to kick in the &#039;percentage of the door&#039; clause. 

Sad fact, but most contracts call for the band to bring in a certain number of people to cover costs beyond the guarantee, which I&#039;ll assume GF have and should assume they got wired to them before showing up or else they need a new competent tour manager. 
If the show had no people at it, no matter who you are skedded against, it&#039;s the BANDS fault. You are being booked on YOUR name and failing miserably at bringing people in is ultimately the BAND&#039;S fault. 

I feel bad for you in that is sounds like you got absolutely no money at all which sucks, but it&#039;s not like the guy didn&#039;t lose his ass because you didn&#039;t bring in enough people. Believe me, building owner/operators are far worse people than promoters. (there is a reason I don&#039;t do that shit anymore--other than making a ton more money now I guess. :) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to promote shows in Chicago and never once had someone complain about screwing them out of money, guess playing in bands myself made me a bit more aware of issues they face. </p>
<p>HOWEVER,without knowing what&#8217;s in GF&#8217;s contract and if the guarantee was sent beforehand (which is normally is) how can we say they for sure got screwed? I&#8217;ve had people pay on pay or play deals (ie. they get paid even if they don&#8217;t bother showing up) who ended up &#8216;drawing&#8217; 100 people to the show who had the temerity to ask if they brought enough people to kick in the &#8216;percentage of the door&#8217; clause. </p>
<p>Sad fact, but most contracts call for the band to bring in a certain number of people to cover costs beyond the guarantee, which I&#8217;ll assume GF have and should assume they got wired to them before showing up or else they need a new competent tour manager.<br />
If the show had no people at it, no matter who you are skedded against, it&#8217;s the BANDS fault. You are being booked on YOUR name and failing miserably at bringing people in is ultimately the BAND&#8217;S fault. </p>
<p>I feel bad for you in that is sounds like you got absolutely no money at all which sucks, but it&#8217;s not like the guy didn&#8217;t lose his ass because you didn&#8217;t bring in enough people. Believe me, building owner/operators are far worse people than promoters. (there is a reason I don&#8217;t do that shit anymore&#8211;other than making a ton more money now I guess. :) )</p>
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		<title>By: Way Too Loud! &#62; God Forbid Guitarist Talks About Shady Promoters</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2008/05/28/god-forbids-dallas-coyle-on-sketchy-club-promoters/#comment-76346</link>
		<dc:creator>Way Too Loud! &#62; God Forbid Guitarist Talks About Shady Promoters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 00:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] God Forbid guitarist Dallas Coyle recently made a new post in his column, “The Hard R” about dealing with shady promoters (something that every touring band has to deal with) over at Metalsucks. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] God Forbid guitarist Dallas Coyle recently made a new post in his column, “The Hard R” about dealing with shady promoters (something that every touring band has to deal with) over at Metalsucks. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Pintavalle</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2008/05/28/god-forbids-dallas-coyle-on-sketchy-club-promoters/#comment-76272</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Pintavalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW! We should have done the same thing everytime we got screwed out of money by shitty promoters/booking agents.
Then people wouldnt think we were douchebags.
Way to go Dallas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW! We should have done the same thing everytime we got screwed out of money by shitty promoters/booking agents.<br />
Then people wouldnt think we were douchebags.<br />
Way to go Dallas!</p>
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		<title>By: Muttweiler</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2008/05/28/god-forbids-dallas-coyle-on-sketchy-club-promoters/#comment-76195</link>
		<dc:creator>Muttweiler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 13:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Subtle as always, Dallas, sorry about the shitty screw-job but you made me crack the fuck up. You definitely gots you some big ones... Fuck that promoter and putting his name out there is fucking awesome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subtle as always, Dallas, sorry about the shitty screw-job but you made me crack the fuck up. You definitely gots you some big ones&#8230; Fuck that promoter and putting his name out there is fucking awesome!</p>
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		<title>By: thestormmaster</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2008/05/28/god-forbids-dallas-coyle-on-sketchy-club-promoters/#comment-76157</link>
		<dc:creator>thestormmaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 09:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More bands need to do this so everyone knows who the douchebag promoters are. If you treat a band like you should they aren&#039;t going to say messed up crap about you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More bands need to do this so everyone knows who the douchebag promoters are. If you treat a band like you should they aren&#8217;t going to say messed up crap about you.</p>
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		<title>By: dalenkwint</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2008/05/28/god-forbids-dallas-coyle-on-sketchy-club-promoters/#comment-76105</link>
		<dc:creator>dalenkwint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 04:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you didn`t notice there 4 black gf members</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you didn`t notice there 4 black gf members</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2008/05/28/god-forbids-dallas-coyle-on-sketchy-club-promoters/#comment-76087</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 01:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....&quot;nice&quot; of Dallas to put that in print....I guess he feels he gets a pass since there are 2 black members in God Forbid. Did the band get screwed? yes, but free speech strikes here again and I&#039;m afraid regardless of the true definition of the N word..its ugly and 99% of the time its catagorized as a derogotory comment to one race.

Hope its worth it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.&#8221;nice&#8221; of Dallas to put that in print&#8230;.I guess he feels he gets a pass since there are 2 black members in God Forbid. Did the band get screwed? yes, but free speech strikes here again and I&#8217;m afraid regardless of the true definition of the N word..its ugly and 99% of the time its catagorized as a derogotory comment to one race.</p>
<p>Hope its worth it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 20:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet if this got out on a music esque national scale, it would really fuck his day up, and you guys would get paid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet if this got out on a music esque national scale, it would really fuck his day up, and you guys would get paid.</p>
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		<title>By: Stixnstond in L.A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stixnstond in L.A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 20:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately in L.A. there are alot of leeches that do this sort of thing....
**COUGH** Jimmy D **COUGH** PALADINOS **COUGH** RESEDA **COUGH**
It especially happens to alot of the much-lesser known bands. These so-called promoters only sit on their ass collecting all the profit, while the bands do all the leg work! And don&#039;t even get me started on the whole Pay-to-Play/Payola bull$hit!

On a side note, my friends &amp; i got to hang-out with the guys from GodForbid &amp; SoilentGreen last fryday in Vegas. You guys totally made it worth our while considering we drove out from L.A. and missed the show.
thanx!!! Cindy, Anthony &amp; Frank

...btw,
the GF DVD &amp; New Soilent Green CD are KILLER!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately in L.A. there are alot of leeches that do this sort of thing&#8230;.<br />
**COUGH** Jimmy D **COUGH** PALADINOS **COUGH** RESEDA **COUGH**<br />
It especially happens to alot of the much-lesser known bands. These so-called promoters only sit on their ass collecting all the profit, while the bands do all the leg work! And don&#8217;t even get me started on the whole Pay-to-Play/Payola bull$hit!</p>
<p>On a side note, my friends &amp; i got to hang-out with the guys from GodForbid &amp; SoilentGreen last fryday in Vegas. You guys totally made it worth our while considering we drove out from L.A. and missed the show.<br />
thanx!!! Cindy, Anthony &amp; Frank</p>
<p>&#8230;btw,<br />
the GF DVD &amp; New Soilent Green CD are KILLER!</p>
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		<title>By: Sam From HUNG</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2008/05/28/god-forbids-dallas-coyle-on-sketchy-club-promoters/#comment-76029</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam From HUNG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 19:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and give us an address to send hate mail</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and give us an address to send hate mail</p>
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		<title>By: Sammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 18:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to see you named names. I bet this douchebag gets Googled...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see you named names. I bet this douchebag gets Googled&#8230;</p>
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