DILLINGER ESCAPE PLAN VS. DISTURBED: ROUND 3
Wednesday, June 4th, 2008 at 11:27am by Axl Rosenberg
Well, the war of words between MetalSucks faves The Dillinger Escape Plan and MetalSucks whipping boys Disturbed continues. Here’s what Disturbed vocalist/Howie Mandel lookalike David Draiman (pictured right, apparently in the throes of having to take a major shit with no toilets in sight), had to say about the conflict in a recent interview:
“I’m actually very confused by [Weinman's comments], ’cause, to be honest with you, we don’t normally let anybody around when we’re checking or we don’t pay attention to it, number one. Number two is I don’t ever remember playing with the guys, to be honest with you. I don’t know what they were doing there. I don’t ever remember having them open for us, so… I don’t even know what the hell they’re talking about. And then as far as ‘rehearsing moves,’ I mean, I don’t know who the hell they think we are — we’re not N’SYNC; we’re not going up there with choreography or something like that, trying to rehearse. ‘This is when I put my foot on the monitor here.’ [Laughs] No one cares about that. But when it’s time for Danny [Donegan, DISTURBED guitarist] to hit his guitar solo, yeah, he needs to be in a particular cued spot so that the lights go to that focus point, when there’s a little particular fill in the song. It’s called production — it’s what any big professional band that isn’t just punk rock… Not to say that there is anything wrong with punk rock, because I have my roots in it, but you can’t compare the two styles of a show. THE DILLINGER ESCAPE PLAN are more punk and I respect them for what they do — I’m not even calling them out on any level, in any way shape or form. I like the style of what they do. I don’t understand what the hell they think they saw with us, but gentlemen, let me give you a little bit of education: This is what the big boys do who play stadium shows — they wanna worry about how the lights look that they spend so much money on.”
You know what? It pains me to say this given how much I loathe this fucking band, but that’s actually a very mature, well reasoned answer, and with the MAJOR exception of claiming to have his roots in punk rock*, one I can’t really find fault with. I mean, yes, it’s kind of condescending, but less so than Donegan’s response, and, c’mon, DEP said Donegan has a small penis, so all things considered, it’s not so bad.
Wow. I hope that’s the last nice thing I ever have to write about Disturbed… at least until they break-up.
-AR
P.S. Disturbed still sucks.
*Unless he used to be in a Green Day cover band or something.
Also remember, when you have pyro in your show like Disturbed does, it is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to rehearse and know exactly when and where that pyro is gonna go off. Don’t believe me, ask James Hetfield.
This was very reasonable. DEP’s last response was just trying to stir up some more shit, and Draiman responded like an adult. I’m actually impressed.
Donegan still seems like a douchebag though.
Oh, yeah, and my band and I suck dick.
Roots in punk? Really?
*Takes of headphones*
What? Sorry? Who said what? Oh my apologies, I wasn’t paying attention, I was listening to Ire Works.
I agree. Dillinger’s last comment was pretty lame.
given the fact the DD is complete toolbag, i am actually impressed with the way he handled MOST of his response. DEP was just trying to start more shit with the last statement, and DD [i can't believe i am actually writing this] was a bigger man about it. i LOVE DEP and LOATHE Dis-turd, but i have a glimmer of respect for this statement.
F*K YOU DISTURD!
OVER-Produced is more like it! You are VERY MUCH LIKE N’SYNC – You are the “rock” equivalent to STUDIO GANGSTAS” – A bunch of tools assembled by record company leeches in suits. “Roots in punk rock” – HA! I HIGHLY DOUBT IT… green day, blink 187…
Try pullin you weak a$$ stage show in a small clubs like REAL bands do – without your pyro. This $hit is REAL man. You do what you have to do with your show – its obviously the only way ou can keep your POSER FANS AWAKE.
Nothing wrong with calling out these tools – it needs to be known what mindless drones they are. It needs to stop
… DEAL OR NO DEAL BUD – better accept the bid before you go broke
hmmm I have known these disturbed guys for years and I used to work for their management. They are a bunch of great guys. As far as DEP goes I havent heard anything from them I wanted to listen to more than once since 2000. I am very impressed with Disturbeds new album its not exactly my cup o tea but Ican respect the effort they put into everything they do. Well to be honest I havent taken their new cd outta the car since friday of last week!
oh and does anyone rememeber Biggie and Tupac?
Huh, I had only heard a few notes of this elsewhere, DEP sucks ass of course, basically mathcore is anti-metal and every motherfucking thing metal was ever fucking made to be, so of course, Metal Sucks loves them(Logic bitches, it wins again).
All the same, DEP have always been huge pricks to just about everyone around them, why the fuck do you think when you go to their wikipedia they have a MASSIVE fucking list of former members? Jesus, it’s like Megadeth, but an even shittier band, and even bigger assholes.
For the comments, Disturbed have always handled “beef” very well, a couple times they nearly kicked someone’s ass, other times(like this) blew them off as childish, but never engaged in BSing them back. Oh, and as far as David having his roots in Punk Rock, who knows, he’s a huge Faith No More fan, and they were plenty embroiled in Punk.
@ Revrant
what? Draiman’s a ‘huge Faith No More fan’ and FNM was ‘plenty embroiled in Punk’????
Stupidest statement EVER.
I agree with AR, not a fan of the band…but he did take the high road here…DEP needs to just drop this…
Just saw Iron Maiden in Seattle a couple of nights ago and while they aren’t “choreographed”, I am guessing that show was pretty much exactly the same show as the one in L.A. two days earlier. Big bands with big production, metal or not, don’t just show up and throw their guitars in the air and run in chaotic circles for 45 minutes. They actually have to rehearse for the *show* they’re putting on.
Regardless of how one feels about these two bands’ respective music, it’s really sounds like a childish rant from a childish “they’re sellouts and we’re not” wannabe.
who gives a shit its emmensley pathetic!
And since when was mathcore anti metal? I though metal was about expression? So your calling MESHUGGAH SHIT Revrant? You stupid twat. Ok disturbed I admit are prety lame (although i do like striken thats the only song i really like and liberate’s berable!), but who cares! I think Dillinger are just asking for a fight.
@ amy “Faith No More combined elements of heavy metal, funk, hardcore punk, progressive, hip hop, and jazz, among many others”
You are a stupid fuck, promptly break your fingers so your retardation no longer damages an already stupid, epileptic internet.
@ Sidric I would hardly put a shitty band like DEP in with the likes of Meshuggah, in fact that’s pretty fucking insulting. Your own statement proves my point, DEP don’t express *shit*, they’re all about showmanship, last I checked the roots of metal weren’t “let’s stand around a fucking stage playing our instruments with such precision that if they had cocks we would promptly suck them like professional porn stars”, metal IS about passion and expression, two things DEP lack entirely.
Stricken is one of their worst songs, and being a fucking fan, I’d actually know that.
These threads always bring out the wackos. Keep ‘em comming!
Screw adult and responsible, I want to see something interesting.
FACTS:
1/Maiden’s Live show vs. Ditrurds… NO CONTEST
Drain-O-Man could come close to Eddies without pi$$ing himself
2/Distrurd fans are posers if think you’re metal – any influence referring to Faith No More obviously doesn’t come through in your ‘music’
3/Disturd fans will now be known as DISTURDS!
You and your mascara (talking to the boys)would not hang 5 minutes at a hardcore show
… as long as the $hit keeps piling up , there will be flies eating it up
You’re an ass, and a fucking douche, put the two together and you have your fucking opinion.
Reverant…. you must be a ‘A7X’ fan too…
BURN!
Ozzy, Sabbath, Disturbed, Black Label Society, Pantera.
Avenged Sevenfold(because I can fucking type) are a bunch of idiotic pussies who sing about, ironically, pussy, dress like fucking wrappers, and wear make-up, so no, they suck, they are a horrible band.
Before you whip out some other stereotype, stuff it.
And while negating your stereotype, I burned myself by thinking “wrappers” while trying to type “rappers”, the point stands in spite of that, Avenged Sevenfold suck.
well then we can agree on that! i thought ‘revrant’ was a dedication to ‘A7SUX’
You want to know the fucking hilarious thing? Friend of mine, so-called Metal/Punk elitist, feels Disturbed is fake, yet loves Avenged Sevenfold, what with all the tits and ass, makeup, and jumping around in sagging jeans they do.
Fucking hilarious.
Revrant,
Faith No More combined elements of heavy metal, funk, hardcore punk, progressive, hip hop, and jazz, among many others”
Hardly embroiled in punk. Guess who else loves FNM so much Mike Patton sang on an EP for them?
Maybe you should just return to your meat head metal. Your argument against dillinger has zero merit. you claim they are too technical to be metal, then go on to list ozzy, BLS, and Pantera, all of whom are home to amazing technical musicians. Maybe you are just lumping in any style of music that doesn’t follow typical metal blues style guitar playing (not a knock on that, i love sabbath and pantera) with not having “emotion” because that is what your ears were trained on growing up?
But i know your response already, “anyone who disagrees with me is a retard!!! I’m so angry, me smash them online now!!!! GRRRRR, the internet makes me a big tough guy so i tell a girl she should break her fingers cause she called me out on my bullshit analogy”
Heres the thing, Disturbed in my opinion are terrible cheesey nu -metal/rap-rock garbage.
But the guy made a good point. It sounds like they are rehearsing things to make theyre live show very tight and good for theyre fans.
He does remind me of Howie Mandell for sure.
It could be a big bunch of crap just to gain Publicity just like “The Absence vs Trivium” thing.
Bands do what they got to do when no one gives them any credit or attention.
Haha god he sounds like such a deusche bag saying how he has no recollection of DEP opening for them.
*shrugs* Disturbed are friends of Pantera, one of their favorite bands and influences, what’s your point?
Your calling Sabbath and Ozzy “meat head metal” just negated your entire argument, congratulations on that.
Maybe I’m demanding metal have some sense of expression instead of a bunch of assholes standing on stage playing like motherfuckers for fifteen minutes, last I checked, idiot, Ozzy, BLS, Sabbath, and Pantera didn’t stand around a stage simply playing, again, like motherfuckers, for fifteen minutes straight, so again you negated your own argument, all within the same paragraph, congratulations yet again.
Yeah, because I wasn’t at all literate and attempted to rebuff the retarded responses, instead I calling BLS, Ozzy, Pantera, and Sabbath “meat head metal”, and praised a terribly shitty band, and called someone’s analogy bullshit while insulting some of the greatest bands to ever set foot on this fucking Earth and somehow lumping them into a category with a band that has no passion, energy, or attempt to express anything but how fucking good they are at using instruments.
This isn’t the orchestra people, it’s called metal, express something or get the fuck out, be it emo, spiritual, angry, straight up apocalyptic, or obsessed with death, just express it.
Revrant: Have you ever heard Dillinger Escape Plan or seen them live, video or otherwise? If you did then you would realize that they don’t just “stand around on stage playing like motherfuckers for 15 minutes straight” as you so eloquently put it. Also, you would know that the singer for DEP puts so much more emotion into his singing than Disturbed’s singer. And, he can actually sing, not just make a bunch of noises. Oh, and I love how you completely ignored jaime’s comment about how Mike Patton was the singer for Dillinger Escape Plan’s Irony Is A Dead Scene and even did some shows with them. Oh, and I agree with the term “meathead metal.” Though, I’d call it safe metal because it’s safe to like those bands because a lot of people like them and everyone has heard of them. I mean, did MTV/the radio/your average metal fan tell you to listen to those bands? And yes, a lot of meatheads do like those bands, you being one of them. I happen to like Ozzy/Sabbath, Black Label Society (though Zakk Wylde is a dickhead) and Pantera (again, Phil is a dickhead), and all the bands associated with them. Go back to your frat house and take pride in what you have to do to become a member. How much can you benchpress?
Straight off, fuck you. Second, I have been forced to sit through their overly showy(talk about choreographed) concerts once before, and if YOU had ever been to one, you’d know how often they essentially ad-lib a bunch of shit into what were originally very short, straight forward songs, and that is incredibly annoying.
Yeah, they’re only good at one emotion with one way of expressing it, anger and screaming, to me that is emotionless and shallow. And if you weren’t such a fucking idiot who hasn’t listened to a single fucking thing since Stupify you’d know David Draiman can sing, try looking up Remember and The Night you piece of shit.
No, you fucking retard, I did not, “*shrugs* Disturbed are friends of Pantera, one of their favorite bands and influences, what’s your point?”, I call you retarded because you apparently have some sort of reading disability or possibly just vanilla dyslexia, go get that checked out.
I have no love for MTV, I do not generally listen to the radio and I *never* fucking listen to metal fans(like these assholes here) because they tell me to like a bunch of awful sounding shit because it’s obscure and has no redeeming features.
As far as it being “safe”, no, again, fuck you, I like plenty of other bands that aren’t “safe”, off the top of my head, Faith No More, Alter Bridge, Everclear, Johnny Cash, The Eagles, and how dare you refer to them as being “meathead” metal, Sabbath among others founded the basis for the fucking awful shit you like and call “music”, show some fucking respect.
Promptly go fuck yourself with any notable variety of stick because I’ve never been in a “frat”, and I could benchpress a little respect for the bands that made metal what it is today, which is more than I can say for you.
The above post proves that there is no getting through the thick head of your average Disturbed fan. The bands you listed again are safe bands because they’re popular amongst a lot of people. And, I did not once say anything bad about any of the bands you previously mentioned (except the frontmen, and fans). And, I actually met the original Black Sabbath back in the day and talked to them for a while and got all their autographs (all down-to-earth guys back then, when I still had respect for Ozzy. Geezer and Tony actually signed twice for me). Also, if you think anger is the only thing Dillinger Escape Plan can express, try listening to their songs again (a couple of examples, Retrofied and Black Bubblegum). Oh, and talk about anger, what about Pantera? How is anger emotionless? And David Drainman still sings and makes sounds like a baboon in heat. Just my opinions. What exactly is vanilla dyslexia? Although, if you, as you say don’t let anyone tell you what to listen to then more power to you, I’m the same way. I also have plenty of respect and I like all the bands/artists you have mentioned (except Disturbed). Although, I like heavier music the most, I still listen to everything.
revrent,
Dude, you just admitted to liking alter bridge and eveclear. It’s not an issue of whether or not these bands are “metal”, they just suck for their respective genre. You like some awful, awful music.
Guess what, BLS, Ozzy (solo) and Pantera ARE the definition of meat head metal. Have you ever seen those bands live? did you look around at what was floating around at those shows? It negated nothing in my argument. You are wrong, sir.
You have made it clear you enjoy shitty, commercial, contrived, soulless pop music like Alter Bridge and Everclear, and you have the balls to accuse some other band of being passionless? I’m not even a big DEP fan in the first place, but your attacks on them being emotionless are totally invalid and obviously based on a knee jerk response to hearing a few songs and not being into them. You don’t have to like any band, but the crux of yoru argument is “i don’t like them, therefore they aren’t metal” is proof of how big a meathead you are, along with how quickly you call someone else a retard (the height of maturity, btw) for not liking your pre chosen list of the 5 of the most fucking obvious metal bands of all time.
Btw, callling the Eagles, who are one of the most played bands of all time, still to this day on classic rock stations, and Everclear, a rock radio darling “not safe” is simply misinformed and clearly marks you that you do not know what you are talking about.
It proves that they know what the fuck they’re talking about and won’t be talked down to by an insufferable elitist, that’s what it proves. They are not “safe” bands, Alter Bridge aren’t well known, and Everclear aren’t either, just because they had spurts of popularity and aren’t obscure 10,000 album selling backwater nobodies doesn’t mean they’re N*SYNC. You made a generic comment that I interpreted as referring to the Godfathers of metal as part of the aforementioned insufferable elitist “meathead metal” statement.
Anger isn’t emotionless, but when you rely on it solely as Dillinger does, it’s shallow and repugnant. I absolutely will not subject myself to more DEP, especially not at your behest, your ignorant claim that David still sings that way, when in fact he does fucking not, is proof positive that you probably haven’t heard a note of Believe.
My experience with your obnoxious assumptions and insults as to my intelligence and musical taste prevents me from taking the “high road” you’ve suddenly and conveniently turned on to, exchanging politesse and compliments, I maintain my original position of “piss off”, thank you very much.
Anger isn’t emotionless, but when you rely on it solely as Dillinger does, it’s shallow and repugnant.
So by your definition, that’s not metal. So is Slayer metal then?
jaime
>Slayer practically founded an extreme sub-genre of metal, that’s a pretty fucking stupid question, DEP didn’t found shit, why don’t you crack one off about comparing FDR to GWB, idiot.
Yeah, because a person can’t have any other fucking musical taste unless it meets strict metal elitist terms such as yours, promptly go fuck off and die.
Ozzy is fucking not, Ozzy has and still does sing about the ills of the world, mature themes, and intelligent delving into his own psyche and problems, it is the definition of what is NOT meathead metal, Pantera and BLS are arguable.
You have made it clear you’re a fucking pile of shit with fingers, which I might add still need to promptly stop working, I enjoy what I fucking enjoy and fuck you if I don’t meet your obscure, awful sounding bullshit musical standards, I am not a fucking counter-culture sheep like yourself, I baa to no elitist’s “acceptable” music.
Despite my statement I suffered through a whole concert, and proving you have terrible reading comprehension on top of being a musical elitist, you post something stupid like that. I never said my not liking them made them not metal, another invalid assumption by an idiot. Again, fuck yourself, I’m not here to adhere to whatever obscure bullshit counter-culture or just plain old vanilla culture shit I’m “supposed” to listen to, get on that, the clock is ticking, takes some stretching, google it, oh, sorry, google is too “mainstream” for you and/or doesn’t meet your high standards, I know, fucking jeeves it.
This guy needs an education… His retort makes him sound like a 5th grader. It’s a shame idiots like him are making top dollar to make total fools of themselves.
Damn all this heartless music.
If you actually read my response, you would have seen I clearly don’t care what you listen to, I listen to plenty of “non metal” bands, and I clearly said Everclear and Alter Bridge suck because they are just contrived, obvious, and plain BAD MUSIC, not because they are “not metal”… I don’t care if the music fits whatever silly categorization one might use to define “metal”, I care whether or not its good or not. Those bands you listed in that example are just plain awful music; derivative of what is popular and boring.
So, why, if your points are valid, do you persist in personal attacks against someone who disagrees with you? This site is set up for intelligent discourse on this genre. If you feel childish name calling and implied violence suits your style of argument, please, go post on Blabbermouth’s boards, you’ll find their tone suits you better.
I would never force my opinions down someone’s throat the way you have on this topic. DEP “aren’t metal” because you decided so, and they “aren’t good” because they are too technical, or lack passion, or whatever justifiable reason you have for not liking them. Fine. I said I’m not a huge DEP fan, and you can like whoever makes your heart happy. But that doesn’t excuse the fact that the only bands you listed are very obvious metal bands (ozzy, sabbath, bls, pantera) and radio rock (alter bridge, the Eagles).
Just so you know, DEP pretty much invented a style of music that is so incredibly imitated and ripped off in the underground right now, for better or worse. But, as is apparent from your tastes, you wouldn’t know anything about any band that hasn’t gotten airplay from major radio of MTV or pop culture. Your arguments are laughable, because you have managed to twist the actuality of the facts to suit your distorted view.
Lets clear up the music you like:
Alter Bridge spawned from one of the best selling rock bands in the last 15 years. Just because they do not sell like Creed sold does not make them “underground”.
Everclear is signed to Geffen. Not an underground band or “unsafe” band. They are radio rock.
Ozzy does not, nor ever has, written his own lyrics or music.
Faith No More, no matter what you want to think, is not embroiled in “hardcore punk” and has its influences heavily in funk and soul along with the obvious “metal”
The Eagles couldn’t be more family friendly if they tried. Hotel California, anyone?
Johnny Cash – big fan myself, but once a major motion picture has been made on your life, you’ve been co-opted into fun for the family pop culture.
I’m so happy you don’t listen to what I listen to, even though I made it clear I’m not a big DEP fan and I haven’t mentioned what I listen to. If it means I won’t have to deal with your childish ass at live shows, all the better.
I went to DEP’s myspace page and had a listen and found them to very spastic and melodramatic. It seemed contrived “look how angry I am. Look at me. I’m so very very angry.” I always have a hard time understanding the lyrics in theses spastic screaming type bands. Not my cup of tea. If this is your taste then fine, but I think I’ll pass.
banter me fif grader me no type so gud. That’s a great argument, where’d you come up with that? Yesterday in Math class? Jackoff.
jaime, Yeah I did, I can actually fucking comprehend things, they suck because they aren’t NOBODIES on the fringe of whatever fucking lame sphere you consider “acceptable”, and note numerous times I did not use metal when referring to what are most likely you’re horrible musical tastes, I merely stated they were shit.
I persist because I feel no need to slip in cute little insults, I go right for the bacon, a site called MetalSucks is set up for intelligent discourse on this genre, what is that? They call it a self defeating statement. I’d rather you just, go back to Blabbermouth where one can only assume your horrible sounding fringe shit would be praised up and down as the messiahs of their genre.
Yet you continually critisize what I like, insult my intelligence, and then say you didn’t, what are you? A white house press secretary? Again, fuck you, you’re just reiterating the completely incorrect “DEP arnt metal cuz i dun liek dem” shit from earlier, and I never fucking said that. They aren’t good because when you get into technically at such an obsessive level it’s lyrically meaningless, musically unpleasant, and shallow. Gosh, because what if someone actually grew up on the former and just fucking liked them because they liked them, Jesus christ, wouldn’t that blow your elitist mind? Alter Bridge aren’t radio rock, Everclear are, though I guess, again, anything that isn’t obscure and sell five freaking copies of an album is the pinnacle of “mainstream”.
DEP “invented” nothing, there were a few bands before them that utilized what became Mathcore, if anything DEP’s pretentious “It’s so fringe and awful sounding they’ll suck it up!” kicked in and they leapt into it. Oh please, I like plenty of stuff that isn’t on MTV(Again, fuck your elitism, I don’t watch MTV you uppity asshole) or the radio, I didn’t even come across Everclear on the radio, or BLS, or Alter Bridge. You’ve managed to continually look like a hardcore fringe elitist who doesn’t approve of something if buck twenty people have even heard mention of it, and boy, twisting of the facts to suit a distorted view, isn’t that the founding fucking principle of elitism? Congratulations on that, idiot.
Creed sucked, Alter Bridge do not, that’s all I care about, and again your elitism, just because it’s NOT underground it sucks ass, talk about a distorted view of reality.
Well of course, because Geffen can’t have an unknown artist on the label, it’s too mainstream, they have to be signed to some really mean or intellectual sounding label, again, distortion of reality.
Music I give you, but not lyrics, yes he fucking does you impossible motherfucking retard, every fucking one says Written by Ozzy, Zakk and whoever else helped since he was a fucking solo act fresh from Sabbath and even in Sabbath, though he wasn’t central to the writing of lyrics, God, distortion of reality? Check.
Faith No More has roots in punk as well as being centered in funk and soul, they are “embroiled in punk”, their whole attitude screams punk, the band continues to associate heavily with no-name punk acts as individuals and did before then, their favorite bands are freaking punk, so yes they are embroiled in it, even if the music isn’t.
More to The Eagles than their greatest hits.
Oh isn’t that convenient, I grew up on Cash, but after Hurt hit all of these counter-culture jackoffs magically join the fucking fold, baa baa baa, translation, you’re an ass.
I’m so happy you contradicted yourself, because we both listen to Johnny, even if I do because I actually like it and knew about it before he made a shitty song into a great one, you’re brinking on stupid and waving at ignorance in the distance. Live shows, yeah, you won’t see me at some shitty obscure act’s concert of ten people in some bar in the middle of nowhere, you keep that all to yourself.
And the winner is…….
Revrant!!!
Revrent,
You are a master at playing the “strawman” tactics. I’m not knocking mainstream music, only implying that there is more stuff that is good out there besides it. Since you continually cannot come up with any examples of bands besides the well known and obvious, it is apparent you appreciate things that have a broader appeal (and there’s nothing wrong with that, i guess), but you so narrowly define metal based on what you think it is or should be, and slam a band for not being that?
Back to the Ozzy thing, guess what, he has songwriters that go uncredited. Zakk was pissed that because dave grohl wrote music for down to earth. Geezer wrote the lyrics in sabbath, and bob daisly wrote the lyrics on blizzard, whether you want to believe what Sharon would have the world believe.
The bottom line is, continually, YOU LIKE SHITTY MUSIC. Everclear, disturbed, Alter Bridge, the eagles…you have lame taste in music. There are plenty of HUGELY mainstream bands i love, tool, slayer, GNR, NIN, as well as bands like meshuggah, opeth, agalloch, the gutter twins. The two aren’t mutually exclusive, and I never implied those bands were bad because they are popular, i SAID those bands are bad because they made BAD MUSIC. Period, end of that issue. But you’ll twist this response like you twisted everyone elses responses. You are a tough guy on the internet, we get it. We can deal without threats of violence and immature retorts of “being a pile of shit”. It marks your maturity level, which once again, explains why you enjoy the music of disturbed in the first place.
You have bad taste in music. That’s all there is to it. It has nothing to do with whether or not the bands are popular. You enjoy contrived, boring ass music.
And even your precious Everclear and Disturbed started out playing to 10 people in a bar in the middle of nowhere, I’d rather give new bands a try in a shitty bar than have the majority of music i listen to be by defunct bands from 15 years ago, or musicians who haven’t had a relavent contribution to their art form in over 20. Oh, and Alter Bridge and Everclear.
So just knock off the big bully tough guy routine. It’s old. Make your points without threatening violence or resorting to childish name calling.
jaime, You can’t even spell my name, and yet I’m supposed to dignify this with a response, alright. I notice you’ve become increasingly kosher and less insulting with each verbal backhand to your insulting assumptions I’ve offered up, that’s a nice fucking change champ, keep it up.
Moving on, “strawman” tactics, little too intellectual a term for some maybe? Last I checked I responded directly to everything you said, so my responses are neither based on emotional manipulation or manufactured, stilted responses, that argument is negated.
I do not narrowly define metal, I narrowly define what makes metal, well, metal, and it’s a very commonly held belief that the foundation of metal is to be expressing things passionately, notice the plural there, DEP is only good at expressing one thing, and that throws them into the Punk genre, I do not consider them metal because of that.
And, failing to read again, you fail to realize I said Ozzy had help, you just negated your own previous argument by admitting he does indeed do his own songs, even with assistance as I previously said, so I can’t help but wonder why you even bothered saying he didn’t. Ozzy has always had help writing songs, he’s never been a one man act, Ozzy has lived and died by those helping him, and I fucking hate Sharon, she’s a lying sneak-thief manipulator, which of course goes well with Ozzy’s devil may care passive aggressive nature.
Yeah, “shitty’, “lame” taste in music, Tool with it’s ironic name, wow, good job on liking the single most fucking pretentious shit in rock/metal. Slayer, whatever, don’t like them but I’m obligated to respect, GNR are not mainstream, they are an obscure, but old act, fucking NIN, what a fucking surprise, no wonder you jumped on the Johnny Cash boat, you just proved my stereotype, and I might add I don’t like NIN, talk about being counter-culture for the sake of being counter-culture, if you don’t like NIN and Tool you can hardly call yourself a modern musical elitist these days. You know, it actually pisses me off that you just proved my assumptions true, I was happier thinking you were one of those self-righteous anti-counter-culture types, but it seems you’re just that, a counter-culture sheep.
You fail to recall it was you assholes who insulted me, because I curse that suddenly makes my insults “immature”, what a wonderfully distorted view of reality, continually making wild assumptions in spite of being rebuffed(AKA, knowing when to shut my mouth and accept new evidence contrary to my wild accusations), and I’m immature simply because I layered my insults with cursing instead of a sharp tongue.
You have horrible taste in “music” and wonderful taste in adhering to exactly what a counter-culture sheep is “supposed” to like, tell me, do you hate Hot Topic for being mainstream and buy your ridiculous apparel and jewelry online instead as an affront to the evil mainstream attempt at marketing your beloved “counter” culture? Good job on that.
I would say, to me, it seems you enjoy nothing about the music, you simply enjoy the idea that the music presents, we are against popular culture, never mind that our music doesn’t sound like anything, I wouldn’t be shocked if you were a Korn kid back in the day like most of those who adhere strictly to counter-culture “laws”.
Thing is, all bands start out small, their inability to produce good music keeps them small, or alternatively if it’s in a certain well liked genre, their crappy music propels them into super stardom, the shit you’re not mentioning would be the former, dedicated to making music that isn’t music, it’s some kind of “statement” against whatever corporate culture is on their minds, and that’s boring, contrived, and pretentious.
Now that you’ve essentially knocked off the insulting elitism assumption shit, I can stop viciously insulting you, see how that works? Magic, fucking mystical art of the Hindu from ancient India, show a little respect and it will be returned, *pops rabbit out of hat* fucking magic.
DISTURBED FUCKING ROCKS!!!
I think a few of you need your tampons. Everyone’s so touchy today. I didn’t know it was everyone’s time of the month…
Fresh out TJ, fresh out.
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To Revrant
You obviously spend way to much time and effort writing about stuff no one (in their right state of mind) gives a fuck about.
I think you need a break. Might I suggest a walk in the park, having a snack, or I don’t know, maybe try giving yourself a blowjob.
Remember, Frankie says relax.
Keep in mind two others spent way too much time writing about stuff no one cares about among hundreds of other people, and that’s the basis of this entire site. Or maybe it’s because I take the non bias voice that makes you single me out, yes, I’m sure the one with some reason should take a break when confronted with illogical people.
Remember, Garrett says blow it out your ass. :)
fuck you revrent!
Learn to spell dipshit.
Revrant, you can’t be serious…
When the only alligation against a band is that they are to “thechnical” and have no emotion other than anger, it becomes very difficult to take you serious.
I’m sorry, but I must ask you, do you headbang? Is that the reason you can’t enjoy them?
Anon, it’s like being on a chan again, thanks for using the copy paste function/and or knowing how to spell.
I’m sorry, but did you just make an argument for all of nu-metal, old Metallica, or DEP? I genuinly can’t tell.
No, there is no reference in my name towards the Chan; you’ve obviously been around the internet enough to realize there is more to it than the Chan, maybe.
On another note, my gut instinct was right…You’re a complete hypocrite when It comes to the “elitist” card you play so much. I mean, any comment or attack on your opinion (Because it is an opinion) is automatically negated and dismissed with a very witty/lame one liner, good job on that.
Can anyone say Grammar Nazi?
I’ll give you props where props are due, you have managed to hold your own, and that is worth some sort of internet respect.
+3 net points.
;D
Enjoy your superiority complex.
Disregard that last post.
I’ve just realized you’re…Smart.
One of the more intelligent on this thread…
Even if our tastes in music are on the different sides of
the spectrum.
Whateves.
Gosh, to think I would have been a total prick too after such an obnoxious, haughty post, but then that post.
Warms my fatass heart.
No need for sarcasm, the lowest form of comedy doesn’t fair so well on the netz.
Quick question, age?
There wasn’t any sarcasm, I was being genuine if a bit smart about it, and why?
I’m curious as to how much I would have to advance in order reach a level of l33t such as yours; I’m only 16 at the moment.
Alright, so I’ll start this by saying, though I completely disagree with you, Revrant, you are a fairly articulate and clearly intelligent person who actually makes ARGUMENTS in support of what you think. I have the utmost respect for that, in a time when most of what we see in metal forums, discussion boards, blog comments, etc is shit-slinging and chest-beating.
We do agree on one thing, for starters – there is a large contingent of people who are “counter-culture” simply “for the sake of being counter-culture.” These people are as much followers as most of the mainstreamers they turn their noses up at.
That said, you also seem to be of the opinion that mainstream music, that which has a wider, greater appeal and sells more, is somehow “better” than more underground acts. You derisively refer to bands outside the mainstream as “fringe” and seem to imply that the only reason you would ever make less popular music is because you A) are incapable of making anything “better” or B) find some sort of snobbish delight in creating and enjoying what most others do not. However, I think you’ve left out a key piece in this puzzle: the general population, by and large, likes things that are nice and simple, easily digested and categorized.
When I listen to most mainstream music, I get bored, quick. This is not to say that all mainstream music is overly simplistic or technically unappealing (although I would say this does apply to most of it), but rather that it is almost never something innovative or new. I really enjoy hearing a song and having my first reaction to it be one of uncertainty. I can’t say that I have found this anywhere but on the “fringe.” Yes, some of it is aesthetically appealing and catchy, but for a long time now, I’ve asked for a little something more from my music.
As far as the way you post and the way you address other people’s ideas, I find your condescension fairly unbearable. My guess is that it stems from some insecurity unrelated to your intellect, as you are obviously pretty intelligent, and you use what you are comfortable with to lash out or get back at the rest of us. Honestly, you do not have better taste than the rest of us, you are not enlightening anyone, and you are proving very little by ranting to us. You think that somehow you’ve attained a neutral or unbiased point of view backed by fact, which, particularly in the case of personal taste in things such as music or other art forms, is inherently impossible.
What we present here are points of view, though some may be more tainted by influences outside of our own appreciation for the music itself than others. Nonetheless, even were every opinion posted here to be solely about music and not the culture surrounding it, there would be no consensus. There is no universal standard for “good” music, and looking down on others for their tastes is just bullshit.
Make fun of what you don’t like, make fun of what you do like, and get over yourself. When it comes to artistic creation, we’re all fuckin wrong, and we’re all fuckin right.
Now let’s all get back to calling each other a bunch of dick-suckin fags, like they do over at Lambgoat.
You guys are murdering me, too many fronts of conversation, I need to minimize the amount of topics I’m commenting on, exhausted, long day, but alright, here goes nothin’.
Anon: I have no “level” of “l33t”, it’s just my opinions and tastes versus other people’s and my breakdown of how illogical it is to hate certain acts JUST because they’re underground or mainstream or for whatever other reason I find stupid or ignorant, and I’m twenty one, which I’m sure will earn me plenty of ire from you and others.
Fink, that’s a cute name.
Alright, so, thanks for the compliments, if they’re honest or not, you should know flattery will only get you into my pants, and nowhere else. ;)
Well no, I do like things that are technically unpopular, I came across this band called three, and it’s more melodic than I usually like, but I find the mix of technical skill and general lack of so many fancy background noises pretty nifty. The other one that comes to mind, and I don’t like A Perfect Circle’s other stuff, is their series of wonderfully different covers on eMotive, no one I know likes them, but hell, whatever, I do. I can’t imagine anyone being so extreme with a cover of Imagine as to basically flip it on it’s head in that way.
I have to state, again, you’ll find the more I’m condescended TO the more condescending I BECOME, and that same logic is true for the opposite. I know I don’t take the higher ground, but in some ways I find that even more condescending, as if I wouldn’t “lower” myself to their level, as if I were “better” than that.
Keep in mind I never said my taste was better or I was neutral, I was consistently pointing out how idiotic their biases were and how silly I felt their obsessions with technical skill and a band being “underground” was. I never felt there was any fact to be had, just that the bias against a band for not obsessing with being underground or technical or whatever was silly, and stupid.
“There is no universal standard for “good” music, and looking down on others for their tastes is just bullshit.” Well, there you have it, that’s why I was so annoyed with their nonsense and lashed out when they insulted me.
“Make fun of what you don’t like, make fun of what you do like, and get over yourself.” Well I hope that was just a general comment and not directed at me specifically, because I’m quite capable of making fun of everyone including myself, it’s the basis for my longest landing friendship with someone who has a similar sense of humor.
Lol, 21
Yeah yeah, “omg hez just a kidz lol!” or whatever, therefore I have to be a retard who can’t think for himself or something.
What are you talking about?
I’m 16.
;D
Legal.
There is no such thing as an “unbiased point of view”. Opinions, by definition, are biased.
Since I actually had the spare time to read all this in one sitting, I’d like to point something out.
In the discussion about safe vs. unsafe bands… if I understood correctly, then a safe band is one that many people know and will go to.
That would make Disturbed a safe band.
I was shocked, I admit, to read all of this shit being directed at Disturbed. Almost every metalhead in my area is a fan.
And while we are highschoolers, we are definitely not unconfident/emotionally depressed in any way. I have a friend who basically worships Disturbed and is perfectly willing to throw shit at anyone, for any reason.
And thus your stereotypes are wrong.
Kudos to whoever said it all comes down to taste.
In case I implied the wrong thing about my friend, he isn’t emotionally depressed. Just to stop any comments about that.
disturbed rules
I listen to anything thats good..be it Disturbed, Deicide, Pantera, Korn,Slipnot etc etc
and if its good and moves me then why not? Stop dissing the bands and start listening to the music!
Yall feel really tough dising on disurbed dont you. distured is a dam good band
as brookelle says listen to music to listen to music if you like it cool if not whatever dont cry about it over the keyboard no one really cares
Fuck you all, metal rules its for real rockers not pussy ass faggots who like soft rock oldy shit, rap, atc
disturbed is awesome
FUCK YOU ALL!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE ALL WORTHLESS PIECES OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!! DISTURBED IS FUCKING AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!! GREEN DAY SUCKS DONKEY COCK WHILE ASS FUCKING YOUR DAD!!!!!!!!! GO TO HELL
METAL WILL RAPED YOUR MOM AND BRAKE YOUR DICK IN HALF!!!!! YOU ARE ALL PUNK ASS WHORES!!!!!!!!!
Stixnstond in LA….You’re a dumbass. Where the fuck do you think they got their start? Go buy a tampon next time before you make a mess of the page again.
I swear, sometimes I think that a lot of these “real metal fans” are bitchier than a pregnant woman. Maybe you should try listening to some emo. They feel the same way you do.
And on the “we’re the conforming posers” thing, try this on. There are more of you on here than Disturbed fans. What do you do? Do you sit around all day drinking “awesome beer”, listening to “awesome music”, and just generally soak up each others “awesomeness”?
I don’t get it. I see you all writting such intelligent insights as “David’s a douchebag.” But, why do you think that? Is it just because he’s successfull and you believe that it should be another band that’s successfull? And you all seem to hate us, the fans, so much. Why is that? Is it because we’re what made them successfull? Or is it you’re pissed that every once in a while one of us comes along with the intelligence to put up a good fight and make you question your own logic?
I’m not putting down any band. Because, I think DEP does some wonderful work on the instrumental end of the deal. Their lyrics just don’t have it for me. I am a huge Disturbed fan and have been for somethin’ like 11 years. I love the lyrics. And, I know that’s why most of you would burn me at the stake.
And, I made the mistake of reading the home page. Then, I go read a comment that says, “F*K Disturd.” LMAO….I thought this site was supposed to be for intelligent conversations about music. And, for people who post shit like this, you do know that the sites name is metal sucks not suck metal…put down the lead paint.
And then there was applause.
Revrant. Are you really only 21? You would have been about 9 when the sickness debuted if you are. Very eloquent for your age.
Thirteen actually, as I’m 22 now, and though I don’t often bring it up I was a fan of the band before much of Chicago knew of them, as I was given recordings of a live show they did here around the time I was 11 and was immediately attracted to their sound.
David actually discussed how my town helped start their career during the MAAWII tour when the “legitimate” rock venues wouldn’t have them in Chicago.
Thanks though, I’m curious myself now Siena, how old are you?
I am 28. I’ve been a fan since I was about 17. I made a trip to the Chicago area then and saw them live at Champ’s. I loved the energy.
Oh I see, that must have been something, the passion and energy drew me in as well.
I like both bands and have listened to all of their cds. Disturbed have moved far past their nu metal roots (this is why they are still around) and no other band sounds like them, they are really easy to get into. DEP are extremely hard to get into and can become quite tiresome. There albums do get better and better after many listens. Its funny how all you non-musicians will say disturbed’s guitarist has no talent or recycles riffs. Changing time signatures and starting and stopping a thousand times does not = talented musicianship. Disturbed crafts catchy songs. I feel sorry for people who cannot listen to melodic singing or hooks in a song without thinking its mainstream crap or even that mainstream=crap. The main reasons you people hate disturbed with such passion is because 1) there another one those bands that its become cool to hate 2) The fans are largely non-metal fans 3) you hate the soaring choruses or occasional rap-like vocals which i can understand.
Im not big nu metal fan either. Im into all metal genres and yes plenty of math core (meshuggah, converge, coalesce, botch, cavein and also a ton of math grind and hardcore bands. Intelligent people are able to appreciate multiple genres of music.
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DISTURBED IS THE DICK AND DEP IS A PUSSY!!!! FUCK TILL IT BLEEDS!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!