Yes, that Genesis cover was awful.

But this was still backtracking and blame-shifting.

Ah, who cares? Disturd sucks and DEP owns!

simulacrum Seconded
hotsauce You’re an idiot.

And no, they have not been on any notable TV shows, and they have not headlined concerts of 50,000 people, this is pretty pathetic of him, prepubescent blame shifting and despite Disturbed not rehearsing or “choreographing” he whips that out again and says it wasn’t meant to disrespect, right, calling a metal band N*SYNC basically wasn’t meant to “knock” them.

“It had nothing to do with knocking them.” Yeah, yeah it did, you were shit talking, nice backpedaling pissant.

“This band has been self contained and managed for 11 years.”
Which means what exactly? Disturbed have been to, and you know what? Only one of their members left because of asshole behavior, I can’t even count on one fucking hand how many of their members left over this dick being such an asshole to everyone in a 360 degree sphere around him and beyond, new age Dave Mustaine minus the talent and influence.

He was trying to (somewhat) civilly put an end to an argument. Sure, he backpedaled and got in a cheap shot, but as Axl points out, Disturbed had it coming.

@Revrant: As I recall, DEP were on Conan – how is that not notable? Granted, a lot of shit bands also play on Conan, but that doesn’t mean the program itself isn’t notable.
He also said “played” in from of 50000 people, not “headlined”. Sweet comprehension skills you’ve got there.
Finally, if this isn’t news, why are you having a vagina-monologue about it?

iamwearingblue Get it right, Disturbed can be musically simple, DEP is simple outside of everything but pure technical skill, it’s stupid, meathead, head banging extreme punk. Disturbed have meaningful lyrics, actually have a message to their albums, and actually give enough of a shit about the world around them to participate beyond gaudy fire shows and jumping off of furniture like prepubescent children.

“it rips you apart and makes you bleed, leaving you wondering what the hell just happened.”

“doesn’t take any thought or any comprehension.”

Did you just motherfucking contradict yourself in the same motherfucking paragraph? Good going on that. Last I checked those two are fucking Jesus and the Anti-Christ, they do not coexist, and DEP is definitely the latter.

Buh? No, it wasn’t very civil, he just backpedaled, reiterated a couple of his previous false insults in a polite way, and then denied, sweet lack of bias you’ve got there. Aren’t you supposed to have a vagina monologue about shit that isn’t news? I’m trying to fit in and failing miserably. ;D

Fact of the matter is, Disturbed don’t make our ears bleed, they don’t hardly do “monkey noises” in any of their songs anymore. Also, most jackasses here only want to thrust their bald head to the floor at such velocity that their killer metal beard will actually sway in the breeze created by the action, not think about the fuck the songs are ABOUT or what the band is trying to say. You know, even the supposed metal “forefathers” of the shit called DEP had meaning to their music, DEP doesn’t even have that, which is why they aren’t metal, they’re extreme punk.

Actually it doesnt matter what the fuck the songs are about, as long as it sounds GOOD.

good to see all of you disturbed fans onboard. now tell me, do you advocate for the death of innocent lebanese and muslims like that drainman stated at the outbreak of the war? fucking zionist loving idiots, the lot of you!

Revrant, you seem to care an awful lot about this issue. Why?

Furthermore, your claim that DEP somehow has less meaning to their songs than Disturbed is really quite unfounded. You’ve presented no reason why we should believe your opinion over the opposite.

Also, Ben Weinman and the rest of DEP have no qualms about arguing with other bands over various media, so why would Ben just backpedal unless he sincerely felt he was misinterpreted? Perhaps, it WAS just weird to him that Disturbed had stage cues when that type of stage presence was probably never a consideration in their spontaneous showmanship.

“You know, even the supposed metal “forefathers” of the shit called DEP had meaning to their music, DEP doesn’t even have that, which is why they aren’t metal, they’re extreme punk.”

So, are you implying that punk has no meaning? Or just that DEP has no meaning to their music?

DEP is extreme punk with strong elements of metal; typically, that’s why metalheads call it metalcore. DEP is more technical than your average metalcore insomuch that metalheads call it mathcore, not extreme punk.

“Get it right, Disturbed can be musically simple, DEP is simple outside of everything but pure technical skill, it’s stupid, meathead, head banging extreme punk.”

DEP employs way more musical variety to their music than I’ve ever seen Disturbed blink at (i.e. all of “Ire Works” and “Miss Machine”). They too have had very catchy songs and distinct evolutionary curve to their music, almost unheard in the majority of popular music today. For you to say this is either just egregiously biased or blindly ignorant.

BTW, you totally disregarded Buh?’s counterarguments.

I meant four songs obviously! :D

“I would like the opposite, but then, that’s what we’re discussing, isn’t it? My problem with Disturbed is that, often, it uses elements from an extremely limited palette to create a very generic form of metal only mitigated by Drainman’s trademark vocal style, which I don’t particularly care for, but again, this is just my opinion.”

Lyrically, not vocally, Disturbed have meaningful lyrics, DEP strive to have meaningless lyrics.

“I tend to think you’ve wrongly labeled Ben Weinman as a meathead. I’ve seen several video interviews and read several interviews of him, and he seems like an intelligent person. And no, “Weird” was left behind when both Drainman and Donegan both took potshots at the band for being less popular (which is ironic considering the song you mentioned “Sons of Plunder”).”

He certainly doesn’t to me, the interview that MetalSucks quoted which originally started this mess made him sound like a straightforward meathead prick to be quite honest. Draiman didn’t take potshots at them for being less popular, Donegan prideful as he is, did, and Sons of Plunder isn’t even about that, but alright, think what you may.

“So even you say that some of what they do is spontaneous. Beyond that, I don’t either can claim to be inside DEP’s collective mind when those decisions are made.”

Jumping around on stage is spontaneous, of course, I doubt any band that isn’t pop really even thinks about that.

“To give Disturbed and you a fair shake, I did listen to all four songs you suggested. Out of all of them, I felt “Indestructible” was the strongest for your argument. “Sons of Plunder” may have well as been “Stricken Pt. II”, musically speaking, not lyrically. Neither of the others presented great deviations from Disturbed usual sound when they are loud or soft.”

Well, that’s where this gets sticky for you, Rise was lyrically, vocally, and musically extremely different from those three, I often hear they all sound the same from people who won’t give them a fair shake, I like to throw in a “Believe” song just to see if they actually listened, and now I can’t help but wonder if you did.

“I’m going to assume you’ve only listened to the album Calculating Infinity (I could be very wrong), since this set of statements would easily fall by the wayside when one listens to “Setting Fire to Sleeping Giants,” “Unretrofied,” “Black Bubblegum,” “Milk Lizard,” “Baby’s First Coffin,” “Sunshine the Werewolf,” “Sick As Sunday,” and “Dead As History.””

No, actually I suffered through an entire concert, and I’m incredibly sad to say as a young guy, it was one of the worst musical experiences of my life and shamefully, my first concert ever, and nothing was “catchy” about it, it was loud, unrelenting, and had no redeemable qualities for me. Honestly in I couldn’t even stand to be there after they performed and didn’t see the headlining act I went there to see, the owner called me a cab, she was a nice older lady, and I got the heck out of dodge.

“DEP excels at making progressive music, in my opinion. Some of the experimentation inherent in mathcore is definitely an acquired taste, but I simply prefer my music to be little more challenging.”

I don’t see their music as progressive at all, I would in fact call it regressive, such as what Linkin Park releases these days, just not notable. I guess that’s a difference in opinion, I consider Disturbed very challenging compared to the tripe out there now that’s considered part of their respective genre, Linkin Park, Godsmack, Slipknot, meaningless lyrics, and Slipknot has only changed slightly, the other two rely heavily on their original late 90s sound to the point of being monotonous.

“I was speaking of these statements, specifically…

You said: “And no, they have not been on any notable TV shows, and they have not headlined concerts of 50,000 people,”

Buh? said: “As I recall, DEP were on Conan – how is that not notable? Granted, a lot of shit bands also play on Conan, but that doesn’t mean the program itself isn’t notable.
He also said “played” in from of 50000 people, not “headlined”.”

He defeated his own statement by noting a lot of shit bands play on Conan, and I love Conan to pieces, so I’ve seen almost all of those bands perform, some of them are so obscure you can’t even find them by googling without concerted effort, so I felt his statement didn’t need to be addressed.

As for playing in front of 50,000 people, he was drawing an unfair comparison, many no name, awful bands have “performed” or “played” in front of 50,000 people, but Disturbed have headlined, I was pointing out his weasel language, I didn’t feel a need to address it either considering how he contradicted himself so many times in an attempt to slam Disturbed.

How did I defeat my own statement? I qualified it by saying that a lot of bands play on Conan, but the fact remains that Conan *is* a notable show – it gets huge ratings and is internationally syndicated. How else would you define ‘notable’?

And when you say ‘weasel language’ are you referring to me or Ben Weinman? You misquoted him by saying they’d never headlined in front of 50000 – he never claimed they had, so it would seem you’re the one using weasel language and defeating yourself with your own straw-man argument.

Had you heard DEP before you went to the concert? Some degree of familiarity helps when seeing any metal band live, lest it all sound like only so much distortion and cymbals. I’d tell you to go listen to some of the tracks 36thoughtless recommended, but really, what the fuck do I care? This is the internet, and we all have opinions that, like assholes, are full of shit – even Ben Weinman and (gasp!) the Disturbed guy.

And you left before the headlining act who you were there to see because DEP didn’t sit well with you? …Really? You didn’t like DEP’s set, sure whatever, but leaving because of them? That, uh, that seems kind of pathetic.

“First off, this is the last time I’m gonna comment on this topic. I’m tired of it, and I don’t think I’m going to convince you any time soon.”

Not with such bias logic, no, you won’t.

“Second, in order to concretely prove my point and really show how you, Revrant, are wrong once and for all, I would have to do a musical analysis, something I have neither the time nor the willpower to do. For some foolish reason, I felt like stating the obvious would be enough, but I was wrong.”

Obvious from an extremely bias viewpoint maybe, but not to one more grounded in reality, unfortunately.

“Lyrically, not vocally, Disturbed have meaningful lyrics, DEP strive to have meaningless lyrics.”

“I don’t know where the hell you get that. Since metal has never been known for its lyrics, the standard for them is fairly low. You seem, however, to prefer Disturbed’s subject matter, which, honestly, doesn’t broach anything new. You missed my point about “Sons of Plunder” being ironic because you inferred the wrong reason. Speaking on politics is nothing new, either. Amongst other things, the Bush administration has afforded us a plethora of political albums with their concomitant statements. Greg Puciato tends to relate everything to a heterosexual relationship, which has been done before, but that fact doesn’t nullify the lyrics’ meanings (i.e. “Sunshine the Werewolf”). Your lack of understanding Puciato’s lyrics doesn’t imply meaninglessness either.”

This is where I call you insufferable, and reiterate on how idiotic a statement that was, Metal began with passionate, intelligent lyrics, what in the blue blazing Jesus Biscuit Baking motherfucking Christ do you get off saying otherwise? You just raised the bar for a bias statement. What you mean is fucking Metalcore, and idiotic shit in kind, are known for low lyrical bars, that is not Metal, it’s “Extreme Metal” and I’ll thank you kindly not to compare that shit to those who began metal and realize that is what I judge other metal by, not extreme, ape-rock fringe ear-raping metal.

Disturbed’s subject matter touches on things other mainstream acts are blatantly afraid to touch on, which throughout musical history has been the norm, of course obscure independent acts touch on these things first, but what good is yelling when you have no one’s ear?

I’m not explaining what Sons of Plunder is about, it would fall on deaf ears, and it does fully and totally nullify the meaning when he takes the lyrical basis of pop songs worldwide and supposedly turn it into “hardcore punk metal” mathcore, before anyone whips out the retort, Disturbed touches on these things too, but at least they don’t obsess over it like some kind of sociopath.

My “lack of understanding”, sure, that’s a nice safety net when someone challenges the fact that the lyrics are shallow and rehashed from bands many, many decades old, DEP can try singing about something that actually fucking matters to people out of their teens, along with every “mainstream” act they despise.

“This is a stupid statement. If you inferred that from his original statements, you have got to be self-conscious. Obviously, Draiman doesn’t win any awards for the “teaching them a lesson” statement, either.”

“teaching them a lesson”, How bias is that? He reacted pretty maturely I think, though he was somewhat condescending as MetalSucks noted. However, since you’re so insufferably stubborn….let’s just do a rundown of the idiotic, insulting, prideful statements the meathead made in just ONE interview.

“sadly rehearsed acts of other bands.”
Nice.
“Heavy rock cavemen”
“Cavemen” used by a band obsessed with pussy, being really hardcore metal, and jumping around like monkeys on stage with fire, of course a caveman would love fire, wouldn’t he?
“then we, ‘Dillingerise’ it”
Yes because complex time signatures are all yours, no one before you ever did that you fucking meathead, talk about undeserved pride.
“We’ve always been a band that has an element of unpredictability”
Because again, they get to do anything they want on stage without clearing it with anyone, despite the laws enacted after aforementioned fire.
“Like they thought Slipknot was the craziest thing in the world and then somehow they stumbled into a Dillinger show.” He smiles about the phenomenon”
I had to quote that, it just made him look like an ass.
“Forging your own path comes at the cost of wider popularity but it’s arguable that being an influence to other bands is more important and more satisfying” Not his quote, but wow, what bullshit, forging your own path has been the basis for new genres and hugely successful careers, but let’s see if he’s at least modest and refuses to accept the position this ass kissing interviewer placed him in.
““It’s the biggest compliment, but it’s hard for me to compare ourselves to these bands. Not being conceited, I just feel like we’re coming from a different place.”
…Not only does he accept it, but it’s just a “compliment” as if he vastly underestimated their place in “metal”, then he insults the bands that they supposedly “inspired”, denying them placement anywhere near his divine interpretation of music, fascinating look into his personality.
“I don’t sit around listening to musicians that are considered the most technically proficient. It’s interesting to me to be categorised like that.”
Wow.
“both times due to various members being injured or AWOL.”
Nice, don’t mention that the former members hate him and none remain and were likely pushed out by his overly controlling way of doing things, it’s that they were “injured or AWOL”.

Those are the juiciest tidbits into his being a meathead with a lot of disgust for non-extreme acts, a lot of undeserved good feelings about himself and his music, and who can’t keep a member in his band for the life of him, I wonder if it’s because of all his wonderful, redeeming traits.

He is a fucking asshole, end of story.

“That’s just it: Rise wasn’t that different. Rise didn’t break new ground. For Christ’s sake, Rise, Sons of Plunder, and Believe were all in the same key! In fact, I went directly from Rise toward the end to Believe, and it sounded like a continuation.”

Well that’s just bullshit, where do you get off defining the difference in song SOLELY by key? This is not DEP, this is Disturbed, where a minute pinprick isn’t the defining characteristic in song difference, it’s the theme, direction, and style of each song.

“FYI, metal concerts are notoriously too loud: it’s the nature of the beast. Secondly, it’s unfair to judge a band harshly simply based on their live show because there are numerous other factors involved, which is why I don’t.”

I know, my second one, Music As A Weapon II, was great, it was loud, it’s entirely too fair to judge a band that is so lauded for it’s live shows, though I will admit I didn’t know that at the time, I just knew it was horrible and gaudy crap.

“You would have to listen to their albums with an open mind in order to see what I’m talking about.” Hypocritical statement, that’s just lovely of you, perpetuate one idea and practice another.

“It’s obvious your provincial focus on simply lyrics clouds your judgment on what is going on musically. This trend of yours leads me to believe that you don’t have that good of an ear for music. Of course, I could be wrong, but your focus on lyrics is undeniable. But you have to admit that Disturbed have definite low points lyrically (i.e. “The Sickness”).”

Utter tripe, I never expressed complete focus on lyrics, I merely stated it was important to me, simply because I find lyrics important my focus has to entirely upon them? Truly a look into how you see music. All bands have low points lyrically of course, but my point was DEP maintains a lyrical level of any mainstream “meathead” metal band.

“I know I won’t convince you that DEP is superior.”

Superior to what? They aren’t superior to anything, they’re a horrible band obsessed with pretentious and bloated ideas of what “classifies” metal and how good that jackass feels he is and how undeserving those he inspired are of his unique and godly praise. Dave Mustaine and this guy need a two man club for narcissism, and not the cute “He’s such a narcissist” the literal mental disorder, the club then needs to take a flying trip over Baghdad in a low flying helicopter painted in the colors of the American fucking flag, that’s what needs to happen.

“I’d have to convince as to why the use of odd meter, the articulation of dissonance, the use of the tritone, and the genrebending of DEP makes for a more interesting musical experience, and I simply don’t believe I have the capacity to do that.”

“Genrebending”, God, you have no idea how many times I’ve heard that applied to so many bands and acts I hate and love, nice of you to whip that cliche out of war chest.

I have no use of thes little nuances, these obsessions of a jackass who perpetuates a very negative image of what he calls “metal”, he can take his band and stuff it, and unfortunately you’re quite right, there will be no convincing me of their talent. You’d have better luck convincing me of the talent of In Flames, Avenged Sevenfold, or Opeth, acts I don’t hate, but don’t like either.

“Thanks for the debate, however; it was enjoyable for a time.”

You’re the most intelligent person I’ve debated here yet, but you’re still insufferably biased, so I’m on the fence about “enjoying” it.

OI Revrent NO!!
Since when were DEP shitty? whats wrong with there songs which have more expression then your lord and masters disturbed! For example IRE works contains latin/swing ryhtums, jazz, progessive, punk, metal, hardcore and experimnetla. WHATS WRONG WITH EXPERIMENTLING!!! while disturbed use the same 3 chords for a entrie album good expermentation and songwriting! I put meshuggah with Dillinger as (if you had done your reserch!) meshuggah are fans of dillinger, have toured with them, count them as a influence and they come under the same banner of experimental punk/metal what ever you want to call them (Dillinger that is and of course they are both phenomenal bands)!
OK if dillinger doesn’t expreess anythign then how come the lyrics in milk lizard are about loss and finding a new way forward, i don’t care if Distrubed are on about stopping the war! With Dillinger you have to look at what the lyrics ar eon about with Disturbed you need a video at the begging saying “if you have experciend suicide phone this number!” thats preety pathetic!
oh dear, showmnaship is needed to put on a good show dumbass! Metal bands put on good shows so ppl can connet with them better and so they can express there music like dillinger do! They play with precison because they can (unlike disturbed) and there songs invlove precison!
wathing disturbed live is like the most unpassionate, expressive thing ever, Distrubed are one of the msot boring bands i have ever seen live ( seeing as i have seen them live!). Ah so your a disturbed fan, i would never have gussed! Look shut the hell up so what if i like stricken at least im saying i like one of disturbed many awful songs. I find the rest of there music boring, repativive and unoriginal!
OH and get a fucking life and listen to some decent and real METAL instead of fuckingn disturbed!(Dillinger esacpe plan are still METAL at the end of the day so drop it!)Finally in the words of Dillinger “This feels like neverending!”

Does anyone else here find that every song disturb makes is pretty much the same thing?

Ben Weinamn = Kevin DuBrow?

Dr. J: Great spelling there, I love how all you intellectual geniuses don’t know how to copy and paste, no, I can’t name a bunch of their songs. Last I checked music was about expression, DEP don’t express shit, yet rely entirely on instrumental skill to propel them forward, Orchestras can express many things wordlessly, yet the supposedly superior DEP cannot, that doesn’t speak well of their musical talent. Disturbed can be somewhat deep, but by no means Shakespearian with their lyrics, Inside The Fire is a Faustian tale, for instance.

Music is different for different people of course, but to me, DEP represent everything that music should never stand for or be about, a bunch of meathead head-banging punks who aren’t against or for anything, they just like to show off how badass they are, betraying their punk roots and putting them in the category, again, of the bands they do so despise.

“banging out simplistic song structures (excuse me structure)” Politely fuck yourself, see what I did there? Instead of a snide little quip insulting Disturbed’s talent from a know-nothing who hasn’t listen to anything they’ve done since The Sickness(or anything period), I went right for the bacon, I do love bacon.

“Ben Weinamn = Kevin DuBrow?”

The lack of replies to this from everyone collectively after this point is them laughing at you, something we can all agree on.

Buh:Well if I could find the damned quote in this mess of news regarding the beef, and you may politely ask any relative to do that for you, don’t disrupt the norm by including me. :)

Okay, dipshit, you didn’t comprehend what I said, and instead feel like taking it in your own way, or you ignored what I said and decided to plow forward. My argument, was they said “played”, not headlined, headlined, and played, are not the same thing, when comparing two unequal things as if they were equal, you become a user of weasel words.

I’m sure, that would be logical had you somehow applied such disrespect to the other party, but no, you did not.

Nope, it isn’t, if you sit there like a precious little girl in the face of something abhorrent to you, you’re pathetic, the analogy was apt. Well it was only ten dollars, this was a shitty little local rock club, I wouldn’t of paid seventy dollars to see my first concert of some band I only kind of maybe liked hearing on the internet.

I just wanted to see a good concert, being as young and stupid as I was, I didn’t know what I was getting myself into. I went to Music As A Weapon II, and though the opening acts were mostly boring, I at least knew the final act would be worth it, in that ten dollar rock club, I didn’t have that assurance.

dillinger > disturbed

end of story.

Ah, who cares? disturd sucks and DEP owns!!!!

well revrent i don’t talk to Distrubed fans like yourself and i find you hillarious as your taking this extreamly seriousley (YOU BELLEND)! I can’t spell very well big deal.
I also agree with DR Js and hotsauces commnet’s, high 5!!

bornfromsodom Have my babies, immediately.

The Roan, hotsauce You guys crack me up, you know that? Really, had me laughing that two meathead comments were practically right next to each other.

Dr. J: Because being able to spell someone’s name and list names without googling is the defining pillar in their musical opinion, everything you’ve said has been negated.

Cisco: Here I hauled off and used negated, now it’s part of my terminology, should I stop doing it? No. ;)

I absolutely don’t agree about the genius of DEP, I fully understand why music nerds love them, they’re dedicated to showing off amazing technical skill, my whole point was they are god damned awful at making music.

The “last word” isn’t relevant to me, replying to someone’s post is, as long as they have something intelligent or funny to say, unlike the last person who posted.

Well, I wouldn’t call In Flames the Scandinavian Disturbed, they’re considerably harder, I would actually place Disturbed in between In Flames and Opeth musically, which is part of why I find them alright, I can listen to them that is. In Flames, well, I’ve never been one for what birthed from Thrash, screeching/growling vocals, and they have moments of melody and such, so I can still listen to it. Opeth, I can listen to almost all of the time, but I dunno, I do like to have solid impact with the melody, which is why I appreciate Disturbed as I do.

Morra di! “Congrats” on missing the obvious you stupid fucking pile of shit, someone who actually realizes DEP sucks as a band.

Congratulations on being yet another idiot in a long line, go “baa baa baa” and sign here please.

Dr. J: This is where I call you an ass and tell you to go fucking read my previous posts, I am not reiterating all of that shit about DEP being my first concert.

Read. What. Is. Posted.

Well of course not, why would a meathead consider lyrics? I had someone link me to a DEP song about getting a drunk whore to take home and fuck.

Fucking classy shit is fucking classy as they say.

As for their “amazing” music, I’m not arguing the point anymore, I’ve expressed my view many times over, to me it sounds like a bunch of showy shit and screaming vocals, the lyrics are shallow contrived preteen junk, end of story.

Though I have to reiterate, fuck you, Disturbed do not do those kinds of lyrics anymore, listen to something besides what these fucking idiots tell you and actually listen to and comprehend SOMETHING they’ve done, just because it isn’t screaming about fucking some hardcore pussy or being really badass doesn’t mean it’s “teenage-esque angst filled “my dark soul”, again, comprehend, stop being a sheep, and if you ever have the urge you may politely stuff it and go to Linkin Park for that lyrical “depth”.

That really made you look like a meathead, because the song is about artists in the music industry, take a moment to comprehend something next time, though I guess having a love for DEP lowers one’s comprehension skills then doesn’t it?

revrent your a sadbastard!

which is ironic seeing as im pretty sure any laughing being done is directed at you, not so much with you

An inclination of temperament or outlook is totally not what is being displayed in Revrants previous posts.

Revrant, it’s obviously not a strategy that works. You’re wasting your time trying to convince these people, and they’re wasting their time trying to convice you.

It is funny as hell though. Keep it up. I think the goal should be a new metalsucks record. 100 comments!

@Dr. J: Your logic of how the fact that he can’t name any songs by them makes his opinion of them negated is flawed. I know what you’re trying to say: “How can you judge them if you haven’t heard them?” But think about it, if you listen to a band and think they sound like shit, are you really gonna pay attention and remember the names of their songs? Nope.

you guys are meanies…WE TOPPED THE CHARTS AND DIDNT EVEN NEED TIMBALAND’S HELP!

all you motherfuckers wanna step up? come buy a ticket and fight us at one of our shows this summer!

The peeps gotta point; He’s just defending a band he likes, no harm in that.

And he does bring the lulz.

Revrant, although I’m sure this won’t change your mind any, I thought that Greg Puciato’s own words would serve best as a response to your argument concerning DEP’s lyrics.

“PunkTV.ca: Tell us about the themes in your music?
Greg from Dilinger: I really hate answering that question. It’s kinda like asking a painter what the painting is about, because for me, it is what it is. We want people to get out of it what they get out of it. Most of it is written not with a message, but with a certain feeling in mind, so that’s what my approach is. It’s not a story that we want people to get a certain message about.

PunkTV.ca: I ask because some bands like to say that we had this theme for the album, or song, and then they may be more or less literal with the lyrics. Some bands put more importance on the lyric, and on people understanding them, while others don’t at all.
Greg from Dilinger: Ya, and I have definitely poured over lyrics for hours and hours. It’s more of a creative way to paint an abstract picture, for me. You want people to read the lyrics and not hear them. Even bands that I could not even understand what they are saying, My Bloody Valentine, for example, but because of what they are saying, or the phonetics, they make you feel what they are saying. A big challenge for me is to find words and lyrics that phonetically make you feel a certain way. It’s definitely hard to do.”

He also has said…
“Anything. Typical things from relationship issues and day to day shit to crazier things I might read about or witness, fantasies you dream up, whatever. Most are just abstract emotions, more trying to evoke a feeling from the lyrics instead of a concrete message. Finding words that go together that make you feel a certain way not necessarily paint a direct picture. The Perfect Design was about killing someone you loved so that they could never be with anyone else and then realizing that you wanted them back but now can’t have them. Sunshine The Werewolf was originally about an article I read about people called “Gift Givers” and “Bug Catchers,” people who try to give or catch AIDS deliberately. I changed it a little bit to make it more abstract so that it can be related to as a relationship song too, but it originally started as that. It works on both levels. Feeling can be derived from anything, not just the lyrics but the actual phonetics of them, the consonants and vowel sounds of them are just as important I think.”

Again, I don’t think it’ll change your mind, but I felt like I hadn’t properly responded to your point about his lyrics. (Also, cutting and pasting doesn’t take too long, either.)

Well the first question raised my eyebrows, but unfortunately his answer is more proud, high-horse-sitting “we can’t be defined” Gods among bands thing we get from Ben all the time. As for the lyrics, I’m sorry, at least David is fucking honest and a little humble about it, he makes it sound like they’re Shakespearian and deep, abstract? I can’t recall ever hearing people think so highly of themselves, we need Rush Limbaugh in here for a freakin’ comparison.

Ty: Well, we have, but I’m not bothering with elaboration. :P

Again, a fuckwad basis their opinion on their VERY FIRST album which is the only shit you’ve ever fucking heard by them, let me retort with something that makes you look like the fuckwad mtuhhhhl kid you are, and fuck me, you know what? I’ll do it with JUST choruses, since all these people hate choruses, spite baby, it’s the new DEP around here.

“PRAYER”
“Let me enlighten you
This is the way I pray

Living just isn’t hard enough
Burn me alive inside
Living my life’s not hard enough
Take everything away”

David speaking to God in response to the idea at the time(2002) that 9/11 was God was punishing us.

“DEIFY”
“I only wanted the blessing made
Now I’ve been labeled a renegade
It seems so clear now what I must do
You’re no immortal
I won’t let them
Deify you
They view you as the new messiah
Deify you
Renew belief in some demented man”

More hooks than I like in a song, but it’s about not deifying those who lead us as it gives their demented beliefs power over us, Disturbed slyly related this to both Osama Bin Laden and Bush.

I suspect if I go deeper into Believe of Indestructible(the two more meaningful albums lyrically) I’ll get bitched at for “omg beng obsesed with lyricz!” but yeah, there you go fuckwad.

Try listening to and comprehending something for once, it would do a mind quite good to be used every so often for something other than pathetic sarcasm with old, outdated material.

Who the fuck do you think you are? Dennis Leary?

Negated.

So, this entire thing in pointless. Disturbed fans and DEP fans will never see eye-to-eye, and will make the same amount of sense (ie, none) to each other no matter how much is said. They’re just on different wavelengths. There’s no point.

I enjoy Gorguts and Kayo Dot as much as Justin Timberlake and Marit Larsen. I listen to both DEP and Disturbed and seen them live. And, at the risk of seeming to take sides, I prefer DEP on both accounts. Different kind of music, different kind of live shows. It’s just personal preference.

DEP pioneered math-core and are one of the most technically challenging bands out there and have strongly imagery/metaphor-based lyrics, although their music is a little harder to wrap around in a casual context like a random live show and a few Youtube clips. Disturbed have no doubt evolved through their career and do make some well-crafted songs with good hooks and lyrics based on different kinds of issues than DEP; but it is difficult not to pigeonhole them based on their debut album because that’s when they first came out and had the most recognizable, substantial presence. However, it is shallow to judge them solely on that, just as it is to base DEP on one show and random videos/songs (out of context).

Chill, no one commit suicide. Anonymity from internet + medium to spread opinion = fucking ridiculous shit. Yes, all of it.

Before you all jump on me, yes, I did mean NEWER metal band, not metal band period.

I’m a fan boy now am I?

Well, ass, try fucking looking up anything they’ve done up after The Sickness and garner some comprehension skills then, then get back to me about all the songs DEP have about being badass/drink/fucking pussy.

Yeah, really strong imagery/metaphor shit there, huh? If you mean in relation to being “TOTALLY MTUHHHL UGH FUCK YEAH”, then you’d be correct.

No, ass, they’ve sold over ten million albums worldwide, the only other mainstream newer metal band to have done as well is Linkin Park.

Yeah, I’m sure.

Fuck you, where do you get off hiding like a fucking coward behind anonymity? Big fucking man, at least I have nothing to hide, unlike you apparently, different wavelengths indeed, one of cowardice and elitism versus a lack of each, you just made yourself my personal whipping boy.

Keep up being a fucking cowardly pussy Left, because by pulling that kind of bullshit you’ll never be Right, and this will just serve as a permanent fixture of how much of a shallow coward you are in future arguments.

How sweet they will be, good times for the future, good times indeed.

Let’s shoot for 100 comments!

You keep alternating between insidious, insulting, and then placating and even slightly benevolent.

Anon might agree we have a troll on our hands here, though one can never be sure.

36: Let’s not, and also not say that we did, then we’ll have a win-win.

Haha I like the mental picture. Admittedly, all of disturbed’s albums have a GENERAL sound that is SIMILAR. But that’s because that’s their sound, every band has an overall sound that you can recognise, unless they go through a radical change like Trivium or Atreyu’s latest albums.

People bitch when bands “do the same shit over and over” and they bitch when they decide to change as well. People just like to bitch.

On a side note, while we’re waiting for the nay-sayers to come back, Revrant, what’s your favorite song from Indestructible? Im curious.

Yeah Trivium changed their sound DRAMATICALLY on their 3rd album. It sounds like a Metallica rip off now, with no screaming either. I don’t like it.

I might have to agree with you about The Night, either that track or Divide.

Also, I finally actually listened to DEP: They suck. They’re really good at playing their instruments, but as far as making songs that sound good, they fail.

ok dumbfucks Disturbed is the shit. that band of emo bitches tht calls themselves DEP should die. y would such a no name gay band talk shit to Disturbed. wut hit songs have those no name fags made ummmmmmm NONE. Disturbed uhhhhhhh lets c 6 #1 songs( down with the sickness, prayer, just stop, stricken, stupify, inside the fire) plus 3 straight #1 albums. plus the best musicians n all of music. mike is the best drummer ever (10000 fists and Enough) Dan’s solos-(Torn, Iniside the Fire, Stricken)BEST

wow, this isn’t even a competition talent wise, Dillinger by far win that. Dep aren’t as mainstream as they are a required taste hence the difference in fan base.. But fuck don’t any of you disturbed fans get bored listening to a repetition of shit riffs and generic structure? Ill admit i bought believe and sickness and i listened to the albums a grand total of twice and i was bored of it.. Whereas i have all of dillingers releases including older stuff like running board and the self-titled and i can listen to those non stop forever. The idiot who said that dep have had all those line-up changes cuz of weinman being an asshole is a moron.. Most have left due to their own reasons which were understood by the band, with the exception of chris penny he’s a fuck, good drummer, but a fuck. The change of a line-up isn’t always bad, for example dimitri and greg are both great vocalists but it was a refreshing change when greg was introduced. Seriously think before you talk people.. Especially the guy above me, fuck, think about it.. Miley cyrus is bigger than disturbed, (but does less choreography) does that necessarily make her better or more talented? (in disturbed’s case probably yes, but you get my point) Slightly bias argument but i do (unfortunately) own a few disturd albums and i definately made my choice which wasn’t a hard one. There is simply nothing that makes disturbed better than dep.. For everyone who says disturbed have meaningful lyrics and they’re metal.. Think.. Its fucking metal, 90% of metal is lyrics about death and shit.. Ugh think about it