GOD FORBID’S DALLAS COYLE ON HOW TOURING BANDS CAN DEAL WITH THE INSANE PRICE OF GAS

Thursday, June 19th, 2008 at 6:13pm by

The Hard R - Dallas Coyle God Forbid

The Touring Problem

After doing the open letter to Light This City, which I don’t consider a true blog, I saw that The Fresh Meat Tour that Metalsucks sponsored was canceled. It didn’t surprise me at all considering the money problems we had on the latest tour we just finished. In my past blogs, I talked about how we went over budget on tours because of dumb mistakes. On this tour I can say we didn’t make any dumb mistakes. We were totally on budget but what put us over budget was the fact that gas went up about 50 cents a gallon in about a 5 week period. Diesel actually was close to 5 dollars a gallon towards the end of our tour.

One night on the road I was HAMMERED and we stopped at a rest stop to go get food after a night of drunken shenanigans. It was daylight and as I stepped out of the bus I looked at the price for diesel and I immediately became sober. It was like getting hit by a fucking car. This was two weeks ago and gas was cheaper then than it is now.

At that point, I realized that the touring world and the metal touring world specifically was in a very shaky position. I knew that God Forbid was not going to be able to tour. We’ll go on tours if we’re a little over budget these days because we generally do well enough on merch to balance out those sorts of things but with the oil market it’s just too much of a risk to go out there and piss in the wind. Now imagine going out as a band who doesn’t have the name to be able to go out and headline and must rely solely on support tours?

Fucking impossible.

The last three shows of the tour were solo. We played 3 DVD release shows in New Jersey, Rochester, NY and Portland, Maine. We moved from a bus to a van. The gas was cheaper because we were using unleaded fuel instead of diesel. As we filled up the tank every 3-4 hours the tally at the pump ranged anywhere from 103 dollars to 116 dollars. Going from New Jersey to Rochester cost us about 200 bucks. Going from Rochester to Portland cost us another 350. Luckily for us we had good guarantees and we sold a lot of merch but my concern isn’t for us, it’s for younger bands. I feel like Lars Ulrich compaining about Napster before it was too late when I talk about this gas problem.

Most support bands get anywhere from 100-500 bucks a night. With a 6 hour drive, the average for a tour, those bands getting 100 dollars might as well stay home. They are spending a hundred dollars a day between 5 people to stay on the road because the gas is more than their guarantee. Those bands getting 500 bucks a day are only making about 200 bucks a day after the drive. What about a hotel here and there? They won’t be able to afford it. Before this gas crisis we’d make 500 bucks a day in a van and be able to make some good money if you went by our frugal standards of living. Those days are now gone. I believe Light This City broke up because of this to a certain extent and I believe you’re going to see a lot of bands dropping off a lot of tours. Especially the Thrash and Burn and Summer Slaughter tours. Those tours have so many bands that some aren’t going to be able to compete. It’s like politics. Imagine what the presidential election looked like 8 months ago compared to now. It’s a 2 person election now but 8 months ago it was a 16 person race. Only so many can compete.

It’s Darwin with these conditions.

Now, how to fix this problem? I wish I had any kind of real answer. I don’t. I do have some ideas about making the circumstances better.

First, it’s up to the bands who are in a position to tour. It is YOUR decision to say yes and no to tours. I know how labels and agents will pressure you into doing shit you know you don’t want to do or just can’t do. If that’s the case tell them to FUCK OFF! Seriously! Agents and labels want you to do those things because they make money when you do what they want. 10% for the agent and record sales for the label. It’s not hard to figure out.

Second, if you do decide you want to tour make sure there aren’t more than 4 bands on a package. Hell, if you can get it down to three, do it with three. Why? When people come to a show they only have X amount of dollars. If they have to decide which bands they want to spend money on because there are 5 bands they like, somebody will lose. That’s not conducive to touring these days. Maybe it was back when we started but now it’s a not even a gamble. It’s a lose-lose situation.

Third, if you happen to go on tour with a band almost the same size as you don’t act like the burden is just yours. Instead of having your one van and working with your one crew, see if there is any way for you guys to split things down the middle between the two of you. This is actually a great way to go about it. Have one merch guy everyone pays. Have both bands ride in one van if you’re not hiring any crew to save money on gas. The smart way of doing business wins in these times.

Fourth, look into bio-diesel touring. On the last tour, Brian from Light This City gave us the run down on it and we’re seriously considering it. He let us know they make these new types of diesel conversion modules that cut your cost on gas from 5K a month to 250 bucks a month. I looked it up and sure enough the technology is out there AND it’s been around for a long time. You need a diesel van and 3000 bucks to convert to this standard.

Here’s a website for you to check out: http://www.goldenfuelsystems.com/

Fifth, look at this gas crisis as a positive instead of a negative. Touring is not the only way to get your band exposed. Instead of spending the money on gas, spend your money on viral marketing, spend 100 bucks a month to service your myspace, facebook, etc. Fuck it, spend your money on making a video on your own. With the technology surrounding us and the mind it takes to make good music there is no reason why touring is the ONLY way to get your band bigger. To tell you the truth, I’m kind of happy about the gas prices for our band because FINALLY there is something giving us a reason to say NO to a tour. In the past, we haven’t had the will to say no.

Remember, live shows should come once in a while. Not every day. Have you ever gone to a show and seen everyone just apathetic about being there? The market is over-saturated and this might be a sign for bands like us to say, ‘you know what? Next time we play, we know you’ll be there because you don’t know when you might get a chance to see us again.”

That’s how it was back in the day and it seems like history could repeat itself — Under different circumstances of course! How can things be so advanced but it seems like we’re sent back in time?

No one will ever know!

HORNS!

  • http://myspace.com/tythemetalhead deathmetalfan99

    thats really cool. i am in a band and we have been worried about going on tour with gas prices or even going out of state for a show but now i have an understanding. thanks

  • adam

    you guys rock love the new dvd just strarting to really get into your music its some of the best metal i’ve heard
    keep it up motherfuckers

  • Elpants

    Gas prices suck…tour mexico, gas is like $2.50 a gallon there haha.

  • jono

    It’s a damn shame. I’m just a kid and my family’s barely keeping out of debt because of the gas prices combined with our heavy work & school commute. But we’re probably going to get a hybrid soon, that gets more than double the mileage of the vehicles we own now. But anyways. It’s good that you provided some positive outlook on this touring problem. In this day and age of the internet it’s easier than ever for smaller bands to find creative ways of getting themselves out there without touring. Good luck.

  • rob

    Hey Dallas, thanks for spreading the word on the biodiesel vans. There are a lot of ways that going green in a band can save you some money…

  • Master Chef

    As part of a local band, gas prices can be discouraging in the sense that your dream may never come true. Touring means you get to travel the world, whether it’s glamorous or not.

  • http://www.consequenceofsound.net Jay

    Great article Dallas! Those are some seriously awesome ideals!

    Good luck on the tour!

  • http://www.nobudgettv.com C.J. the D.J.

    Maybe tour routing can be changed to where you play shows that aren’t as far apart each day. For example, I live in what is called the Quad Cities (Moline, IL – Davenport, IA) which is dead center between Chicago and Des Moines and we have so many tours that pass us by. WHY? Why not play Chicago, Des Moines and stop in the middle at Davenport for a gig? There are many other areas in the U.S. that have similar situations where it may not be a LARGE market, but large enough to support tours like this but we rarely get hit. You could tour the U.S. non-stop this way and be profitable. You gotta make these agents EARN that 10 percent!
    I know it’s not the answer to the larger problem, but I think it’s worth considering as a potential idea. Fuck I know a band that booked a whole week in and around Chicago and the suburbs and had great shows every night!
    Anyway, just throwing that out there.

  • Alec

    Another insightful piece….I spend at least 100.00 each week on gas just to go back and forth to work so I can only imagine what it’s like to have to spend that or more every day. I also agree with Dallas that we, as fans, only have a limited amount of money we can spend on merch and having multiple bands on the bill can make it difficult to decide where to spend it.
    One thing that I have noticed this year is that alot more bands are doing “off-dates” in smaller venues that they might not normally play just to make gas money. As a fan it’s a plus but for the bands they don’t get the rest and wind down time they may need.

  • http://myspace Sidric “straws pulled on day69!”

    wise words mate wise words!

  • Will

    Great article, doc! I appreciate that you share your experience with us because experience is what will keep a band a float! You just gotta be smart about things and learn to adapt to an ever changing industry. For sure.

  • Cody

    Heres an idea, quit spending your money on alchohol and throw that in to pay for gas.

  • OConnor

    cody:

    here’s an idea, step in front of a moving bus.

    Dallas, great article as usual, I do agree that unfortunately the market is a little oversaturated. At the same time it also seems like lots of original music venues are closing and where i live (philly) cover bands are infesting us everywhere. Although it is not necessarily a rock/metal thing to do I think sponsorships are going to have to become a huge part of supporting bands and I don’t just mean in the traditional sense of guitars and amps I mean in the way of a band might have to have a denny’s logo or a mtx audio sticker on all its shit just to be able to afford gas. I think its better than not having music but its just crazy what things have come too.

  • Dallas

    We actually always have sponsors to help us out on tours for bus costs or crew costs. I’ll look into other sponsorships. Maybe an MSNBC Countdown sponsorship! Keith Olbermann!

    hehe.

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  • Grindkrusher

    Maybe you could have online concerts streamed live and charge a small fee to view…probably already been done, but I haven’t heard much about it. The key would be sound/video quality and getting word out about it. Maybe even let people download a copy of the concert afterwords to keep.

    Why not use your fans to help you get around the country…in the sense, that maybe having a network of fans that could give you a place to stay..maybe even feed you.. i know a lot of fans might not, because of their age and salary, but maybe there are some that could help out.

  • Seth

    Bands being forced to tour less means that serious fans have to drive farther to see the bands they love! That is MORE GAS MONEY! The burden falls to the fans…
    (the fans that generally steal their favorite bands’ music). Ok ok…its even.

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  • Fortunado

    A little late to weigh in but I just thought I should add that everything adds up, it’s not just gas. Hotels cost money, food costs money, and most of all gas costs money. You can try to be frugal, but you can’t always crash, and sleeping in a van in July sucks and it’s hard to PB&J and trail mix for a week. The pay sucks — a lot of the time clubs and local bands work out a deal to give you a cut of the door money.

    Someone mentioned stopping in smaller cities on the way to other dates. That’s not a bad idea, but it’s hard to find clubs/get paid , and everyday you’re out on tour you’re spending more money on food/shelter and in most cases losing money by not working your day job.

    As to that fuckass that mentioned throwing in beer money for gas. The drinks are FREE asshole. Thank God because almost nothing else is.

    Still, when you lose money you get to play out to a new audience, and travel the country and go to places and meet people that you wouldn’t have otherwise.

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