GOD FORBID’S DALLAS COYLE ON CONSERVATIVES VS. LIBERALS

Friday, June 27th, 2008 at 4:36pm by

The Hard R - Dallas Coyle God Forbid

Conservative Vs Liberal

Now that Obama is the presumptive Democratic nominee, things have become really boring with this presidential race. The best thing about it now is watching these Republican and Democratic strategists push their agendas. It truly is sad sometimes when you see a person give themselves a title that paints them into a corner so they have a place to fight from. Conservative. Liberal. Progressive.

These titles people give themselves show how hard it is for them to find their own opinion. Sometimes if you ask someone why they are voting Republican they’ll say,’I have conservative values. I’m a conservative.’ You ask them why they vote Democratic they’ll say,’Because Reagan was an asshole! He took a lot of jobs from people.’ Usually responses like this are from people who haven’t done their homework. In this day and age getting on a computer to get info shouldn’t be a chore. The info is out there.

I don’t believe in those stupid fucking labels. Conservative? Most people would paint me as a liberal. it’s easier for them to do that but I love the 2nd amendment. I don’t think it should be taken away from us as Americans. I think it’s as important as any other amendment. If a Republican heard me say that without knowing who I am, he may think I was a ‘Conservative Republican’. I’m not but I DO hold some conservative values and I do have some liberal leanings.

I even reject the term ‘Independent’ now because all these news stations have branded that as an agenda too. It’s funny. It makes me think of metal heads who hate hip hop music but can never come up with any good reason as to why.

Politics is such a dirty game but it teaches me a lot about how it is in the world we live in. Most people aren’t informed. Most people don’t want to know what’s going on. Most people would like other people make decisions for them. This is why politics is always about ‘Defining Your Opponent’.

Each politician is doing the homework for the public and if they do it right then they will win. It seems Obama has a one up on McCain because McCain just seems lost, old and out of touch. The funny thing is Obama doesn’t even have to do anything for that to happen. McCain does it to himself.

People shouldn’t try to define themselves as anything. Conservative, Liberal, Metalhead, Indierock. It’s all bullshit. It’s all a way for your opponent to define you. Make no mistakes, most people want you to fail. They want to define you so you can’t move past that one thing you are now. If you’re doing that one thing well, watch out, they really want you to fail. There’s no way you can be more than just one thing! THE HORROR!

The saddest thing is people are defining themselves all the time. They define themselves so you know where they stand before the debate can begin. How fucking crazy is that? That just means no one cares what you think they just want you to know where they stand. They will lie and obscure the truth to keep themselves in their place while hoping you know your place.

Fuck it! What to do? Move on and enjoy yourself while other people are defining themselves.

HORNZ!

  • Master Chef

    uhhh…Sikth is the shit! idk

  • key

    i think every time i read this column i like this guy less and less.

  • Joe

    @key

    then don’t read it.

    Good column Dallas, appreciate the insight. It seems this presidential campaign will be more about attacking the opposition than the views on certain subjects.

  • http://www.myspace.com/hoplite Travis Conquest

    I, on the other hand, seem to like him more and more.

    Dallas seems like a fellow I could hang out with, smoke a bowl with, and BBQ with. Even if I don’t agree with everything he has to say, at least he HAS something to say. Something that lends definition to him, even if he defies definition.

    As opposed to clueless, anti-intellectual knuckleheads who think nobody in Metal (or Music) should have informed opinions.

  • Wrecking Balls

    Same here Key. That was about 8 paragraphs of nothing. Labels suck! there, that was easy.
    Plus, one can call themselves a liberal or conservative just to describe the tendency of their beliefs. Many conservatives are different from one another, as are many liberals. It may be a quick and easy way to describe a set of beliefs, but that doesn’t make it completely meaningless.

  • http://www.nobudgettv.com C.J. the D.J.

    I don’t agree with the mindset that people in music or even so called celebrities aren’t allowed to have an opinion on the state of the world. I think as long as the topics are discussed in a way that doesn’t come off as “I’m telling you what to do because I’m famous” then I’m fine with it. I think Dallas does a great job of that and also working into his blogs a good dose of common sense. Common sense doesn’t seem to be so common anymore. I get more annoyed at people who have the platform to be heard abusing the privilege.

  • Cisco

    You know, I like old skool hip hop. the Beastie Boys (who I think are timeless btw), Tribe Called Quest, old Wu-Tang, Rakim and Eric B. etc… etc… But today? Hip hop post 2000 is way lame, it’s all recyceled “I’m from the streets, sold crack, got a bullet stuck in my body somewhere”, crap. It’s like none of the rappers have anything to say anymore. Eminem… dude! that guy fell off the face of the earth! (he sucked anyways, just rapped about killing his girlfriend all the time and how he’s white and rapping).

  • http://www.crescentshield.com Daniel

    “It makes me think of metal heads who hate hip hop music but can never come up with any good reason as to why.”
    It’s sophomoric, boring, and devoid of melody…how’s that?

  • key

    I just seem to notice that the underlying message of his posts are stuff like “get out there and do what you love” “don’t let yourself be labeled” “be original”

    just because he slaps a “horns” on the end of everything and uses examples to do with metal doesn’t change the fact that it’s been iterated over and over again thousands of times.

    P.S. old skool hip hop is tight.

  • Elpants

    *yawn*

  • http://www.myspace.com/evilsammy Sammy

    Good column Dallas! I paint myself as a “small L libertarian”. I almost joined the Libertarian party until they endorsed Ron Paul and then Bob Barr, both extreme right wing conservatives. So for now I’m still the same fiscal conservative/social liberal I’ve been for my whole adult life. And if you want to call that independent, then so be it.

    As for you asshats who like Dallas “less and less” maybe you should go read Lamegoat or Blabberbag so you don’t have to think so hard.

  • slips

    Bareback Yomama

  • http://www.conorschaefer.com/blog/ Conor

    Great post, Dallas. I loved your hip-hop analogy, that so many metalheads rip on it without bothering to justify their negativity.

    I wouldn’t slay all labels, though. I would in fact add way more. I personally find it very valuable to people to talk to someone about “technical death metal” or “brutal death metal” and how they relate to each other. That kind of conversation wouldn’t be possible without labels. A band name is a label.

    We need more labels, not none. Then we could have a real conversation about this kind of shit, if only the language at a robust enough vocabulary for it. And that’s on our shoulders.

  • Wrecking Balls

    “As for you asshats who like Dallas “less and less” maybe you should go read Lamegoat or Blabberbag so you don’t have to think so hard.”

    lol…his drivel doesn’t make me think at all…that’s the problem.

  • key

    I don’t come to this site to read rants about whatever is on dallas’ mind, I come to read about metal. I don’t think that makes me an asshat, but I guess it’s been some time since I looked at the qualifications needed to be one. I could, in fact, go to another site, but that would take away the pleasure of reading the oft-retarded posts that you present while implying that you are, in fact, more intelligent than I.

  • Danny

    He sites people not doing their homework. Yet, he doesn’t address any political policies other than the 2nd amendment. *FAIL*

    He wants everybody to be themselves all the time. *FAIL* Try working in corporate america and be a true induvidual.

    Metalheads who don’t like hip-hop with out a good reason. Sounds like he trying to cover up for a low metal self esteem problem for possibly listening to the moronic chants on the airwaves today in the hip-hop world. *FAIL*

    Some old school hip-hop is o.k. N.W.A, Public Enemy, Beastie Boys,,, yadda yadda yadda. Do you honestly think that a metalhead, or anyone, needs to say “rap fucking sucks” followed by an explanation now at days. Expensive Champagne, Shorties, Asses, Parties, Aquistion of Shiny Things, Cheating….. same shit over and over and over… Hip-hop is in the same rut as metal was in the late 80′s.

  • http://onYourChin.org Deez Nutz

    +1 @ Danny…Well said, sir.

  • OConnor

    Danny,

    Just because he didn’t cite a whole list of issues and sources about them doesn’t mean that he isn’t well informed about them. The second amendment was just an example of how he’s not just a “straght line liberal” and has his own views that don’t tow a party line.

    I just don’t understand why people have to be such pricks. He’s talking about stuff that’s important to him and others can hopefully relate to. If you don’t like the articlese then why read and comment on them?

    by the way I completely agree with you about hip hop it is the glam metal of the new millennium but there are some good underground hip hop acts like Aesop Rock.

  • matt

    +1 @ OConnor: Aesop Rock is the shit.

  • http://www.myspace.com/evilsammy Sammy

    @ Key, I am quite certain I’m more intelligent than are you.

    If you want to just read about metal, then skip the Dallas opinion pieces and articles about Motley Crue and Extreme.

  • Danny

    “If you don’t like the articlese then why read and comment on them?”

    The First Amendment

  • Revrant

    Ah, nothing like converting back to Firefox 2 and having these comments work right again.

    I’m not terribly keen on political postings on a metal site, usually when political opinions get voiced on any kind of non-political site I ditch them. One great example is this review of a new Creative MP3 player I was digging into, and I happened to notice the review noting that not only was the quality of Bush’s speech great, but it was also “empowering and insightful”, this was in 2006, I never went back to that site.

    Personally I identify entirely, I’m fiscally moderate and socially more progressive leaning, I’m annoyed women get paid less per dollar than men, I really couldn’t give less of a shit if gay people married each other, and I’m against abortions simply because it’s perpetuating “I can be an irresponsible slut and gouge out a fetus instead of having him put on a condom/take a fucking pill/all the other options!”, and honest, that sounds really screwed up to me that people choose it so willingly over other more responsible options.

    What do I label myself? Nothing, I just say I like to think I’m politically moderate, I do admit a bias after nearly eight years of what will no doubt be one of the worst US presidencies(or THE worst) in history, so to see someone like McCain come in…You put it best, he’s old, and out of touch, worse yet is he doesn’t disagree with Bush’s policies, he just thinks they were “executed” wrong, that scares the piss out of me.

    As an aside as a metalhead who hates rap, I think “rap” is destroying African American culture by perpetuating a set of ideals that are inherently evil and corrupt, strike one, the people perpetuating these ideals are out fucking strippers and underage girls. Then, doing drugs off their ass cheeks, and they have the gull to “Thank God and Jesus” when they win an award, strike two, there is no melody or message to the music, just racism, worship of fame, and greed, strike three.

  • Danny

    +2 @ Revrant here, here

  • amy

    wow. do you retarded keyboard-jockeys/armchair sociologists actually think rap artists uniformly behave a certain way? are you dicklesses the same people who slag the NBA or NFL when one knucklehead misbehaves?

    would you tolerate it if metalheads were called child molesters because of that static-x guy and the old judas priest drummer? esp Revrant: how can you generalize like that? aside from your favorite genres (metal i hope), you are exposed only topically to the most commerical/brainless parts of other genres — ones you don’t actively explore. so what the fuck do you know? is metal properly represented by its most commercial acts?

    do you like showing off how ignorant you are? and inherently racist? why don’t you just say what you really mean: you don’t like rap because you have no idea what it represents. it’s obvious. ‘inherently evil and corrupt’ LOL

  • March Hare

    Wow, what a poignant, well written article about nothing.

    Minus the “poignant, well written” part.

  • key

    You probably are more intelligent than me but why would someone even bring that up in this situation? Assuming that I’m stupid and I read mindless drivel just because I don’t enjoy an article and care to present my opinions on it? Sounds to me like someone tool, and a loud mouthed one at that. All the intelligence in the world can’t fix that, good sir.

    And as far as skipping the article, sometimes he actually writes about metal. That light this city article actually had some redeeming qualities about it. I just don’t enjoy his style of writing at all.

  • http://www.myspace.com/evilsammy Sammy

    @Key, I was just fucking with you. Calm down. Man, one little insult and the little brains come out.

  • Dale

    I usually skip the dallas part of the site, because I come here to read about metal and have a laugh when Metalsucks.com guys rip into stuff, but after reading this article I think i’ll come back because what he had to say does make alot of sense.

    on the topic on hip hop, love the old stuff, but I have to totally agree with revrant on his part about rap, although I most belive this would be modern
    (mainstream) rap, its destroying kids minds as much as an emo destroys its wrist(yeh bad pun).

  • http://DarkTwinCities.com devil

    It’s refreshing to hear someone in the Metal community provide commentary on something that isn’t mind-numbingly irrelevant. The fact that Dallas has the wherewithal to come on here and post an intelligent and concise piece about politics speaks a great deal toward the fact that there are a lot of people into Metal that are socially and politically aware and not just concerned when Baywatch is being reran and where they’re going to score their next bag of weed.

    Following a rigid ideology is tantamount to imprisoning yourself or painting yourself into a corner. People who are working class are selling themselves and the rest of their kind out by identifying with “Conservatives.” Make no mistake, by calling yourself a Conservative you are aligning yourself with those in power that will always have more than you and enabling them to retain their power over you. You are a tool. Thank you.

  • Revrant

    amy: Fuck you.

    That aside, this isn’t metal, this is rap, rap is by and large completely absorbed in popular culture and mainstream depictions, that’s what “rap” is today. You ignorant pile of slime, no one is basing their opinions of rap on one or two incidents, they’re basing it on hundreds of incidents and continually negative depictions of what life “should” be for nearly two decades.

    Rap does not have a Nine Inch Nails or Tool to be counter-culture, it is entirely driven by massive, popular acts, and I blame it for dumbing down what’s expected of people as much as I do Linkin Park, which, coincidentally are rap-based as much as rock.

    You just negated yourself by whipping out that cliche fucking ignorant race card, welcome to being labeled both ignorant and blatantly fucking stupid, bitch, it’s a double whammy few are masterful enough to achieve in the space of one post.

    Grow a fucking spine, work your way up to a skull, and then a brain, so you don’t fucking hurt yourself by trying to multi-task and do all at once.

  • jaime

    Is it true there are no underground rap artists? perhaps i’m asking the wrong board. I’d agree there is the general theme amongst the more popular performers out there of this negativity, etc etc that’s all been said, but really, is there no such thing as an “underground rapper”? and if there are, what are they rapping about?

    Or is it more possible that we as average metal fans know as much about the “non Jay Z level fame” rappers who might be saying something meaningful as the average rap fan knows who the fuck Carcass is?

  • Elpants

    Rap IST KRIEG!

  • 36Thoughtless

    Actually, there is “underground” rap, if you will, and typically, it’s pretty good. It’s off the beaten path, though.

  • 36Thoughtless

    E.G. Madvillain

  • jaime

    kind of what i assumed, 36. i think the “all rap is negative, lyrically” is a presumptuous argument. Maybe all the rap the non-fan would be familiar with is, but not the whole genre. If someone who wasn’t immersed in the metal genre made a similar argument about all metal, we would be all over him or her, on how wrong they are, etc.

  • Cisco

    Try “Immortal Technique” and “Eyedea and Ablities”, pretty underground.

  • http://www.myspace.com/catatonicdisassembly Nick

    For anyone who has an opinion on post 2000 rap (or rap in general), please name 10 (ten) rap groups that actually “perpetuate a set of ideals that are inherently evil and corrupt, fuck strippers and underage girls and do drugs off their ass cheeks”. Be sure to lists ones that formed after 2000. If you can’t name 10, then please withhold your uneducated opinion as would I.

    For anyone who has an opinion on metal, please list me 10 (ten) bands fron ANYTIME that did NOT do any of the above during the height of their career (ie when they were making mad money). Must be listed on Billboards top 100 in their career at some point. And Stryper doesn’t count. Re: me if you want me to name 10 bands, ill give you probably 100 off the bat.

    If i didn’t know any better I’d think Tipper Gore and Jack Thompson were MetalSucks readers.

    Point is, REGARDLESS of genre, you will see that anywhere there’s money to be spent. Be it music, a sports star, a movie star, a corporate executive, etc…underground acts usually won’t sniff drugs off anyone’s ass simply because they can’t afford too…well usually…

    Anyways, back to the political discussion, my issue is money…where in the hell is it going? I’d like a candidate of any walk to tell me just how do we combat our high pricing of labor and services with out extracting all our jobs (there’s company’s that actually specialize in trying to get you to relocate your manufacturing to another country!):

    http://www.csra.com.cn/

    http://www.csra.com.cn/china-sourcing-pro/upload/images/2007-11/2007111193556866.jpg

    this is something that should worry anyone who’s already miffed about fuel expenses, and soon food expenses (all because of corn skyrocketing)…companys will do what they have to to cut costs…what is the plan?

    More importantly, will I have to get a text converter for my web browswer to read Metal Sucks when it is forced to move to Asia to conserve on costs? These things bug me :/

  • amy

    You okay there, Revrant?

  • Sammy

    Revrant may have misspoken or been a bit hyperbolic with the “inherently evil and corrupt” language, but I think his main point is fairly solid. As a parent of a kid who listens exclusively to mainstream (read: platinum-selling artists) hip hop and rap, I am exposed to the music all the time. Not to mention, I wanna know what my kids listen to and watch.

    While I don’t know if the music is destroying American Black culture, I do know that it’s not underground music the majority of kids are buying. (And more white suburban kids buy rap music as a pure number than blacks, if not proportionately so.) It’s mainstream, commercial music. And guess what? Not just a majority, but a super-majority of the lyrics and videos concentrate on three subjects: women as solely sexual objects, one’s purported personal wealth and possessions, and being a bad ass (i.e., phony gangsta bullshit).

    I’m not sure what affect, if any, that has on our culture, any more than Saw VVIII has on viewers, but the lyrics taken as a whole have a rather diminished social value. Either that or they are more a reflection of a community that has been held down too hard and for too long. I really don’t know.

    So yes Amy, the mainstream of any musical community, by virtue of it being the vast majority, is largely going to be representative of the community as a whole. If only 50,000 people even know who you are (most of the bands that get pub on this site PRAY for 50k fans), you are irrelevant to society. When shitty hair bands were IT and were singing about partying and fucking, that’s what “metal” was about, even if better bands had something better to say. Most of us hated it, but what the hell are you gonna do? Especially when your favorite band is known by, well, nobody.

  • Revrant

    jaime: Again, your assumptions do this, I’m forced to just whip out one sentence and then ignore you, nowhere did I say no underground acts existed, but by comparison to other genres “underground” rap is wholly insignificant and goes unnoticed.

    amy: Not so cocky and inflammatory now are we? Figures, I’ve found throughout life bullies back down when confronted.

    Nick: Wow, I’m not answering that with all of your excessive qualifiers, by forcing those qualifiers on us you’re just proving that it’s true, they’re absolutely necessary to keep the numbers to a minimum, and even then it exceeds a mere ten.

    I will confront you here though, last I knew rock never reached the level of rap, and even at it’s highest rock tapered off and hasn’t touched that area since. Rap, after two decades of bigotry, sexism, and as many deadly sins as there are seven fingers, powers forward in a seemingly perpetual manner. The worst part is it doesn’t even treat these things like they’re “bad” or against popular culture like rock did, they define them as “good” and as the basis for popular culture.

    In Rap you aren’t going to find successful non-mainstream acts, in metal and rock, you’ll find plenty, there’s a big difference to be had.

    Sammy: Well, I was referring to mainstream rap lyrically, not any other subgenre or “underground” form. On that basis I have yet to see mainstream rap lyrics that are not blatantly evil, even the sweetest ones end up treating women like objects or personifying success as who has the most possessions.

    Otherwise you took the words right out of my mouth, I don’t need to elaborate further really. :)

  • Sammy

    Whoa Rev, I actually said your point was solid.

    And by the way, I have heard mainstream rap/hip hop lyrics that are positive and not evil or sexist. Not many, they do exist. I think your problem was in couching things with terms like “all” and “every”.

  • Revrant

    I was just elaborating so as to avoid any misunderstanding, when I used those “couching” terms I was using them in reference to mainstream rap, and I absolutely don’t count hip hop in that. Hip hop certainly does have positive lyrics, mainstream rap on the other hand, IE, the majority of rap, I feel it doesn’t.

  • Devin

    @ Cisco: Eminem is the shit… he forged the way for other races to participate in rap, and his lyrics were cunning as fuck. He is a god.