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JUCIFER GET KICKED OFF THE STAGE AT BROOKLYN SHOW

 Tuesday, July 15th, 2008 at 5:42pm by

juciferLong-time MetalSucks reader Rohit G. emailed us to tell us of the apparently disastrous Jucifer performance at Brooklyn’s Club Europa this past Saturday night, July 12th, at which the band was kicked off the stage by the venue before they had finished their set. You’ve no doubt read about Jucifer before — Axl wrote a piece in anticipation of their latest album L’Autrichienne, released this past March via Relapse, and has waved ecstatic about the album to me on many an occasion. Iann Robinson @ Nonelouder also wrote it a rave review. Personally, I don’t get what the big deal is… like, at all. But to each his own.

After the jump, read what Rohit had to say about the band’s performance and their alleged premature ending:

The guitar was so overdriven and fuzzy it was completely inaudible. The drummer himself was nowhere close to being tight. He couldn’t even keep a steady beat. Unless he was trying to accent the guitar in some way, but we couldn’t tell because the guitar was so loud and inaudible. Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with loudness, it was a metal/rock show, that’s fine. But there volume was excessive, not only did they have a nonsense wall of sound, which is actually pretty cool, but the place is an echo chamber. Maybe if it was outside or in just a bigger venue. But that show they put on was horrible. Drums were annoying, and not smooth, He couldn’t keep a steady blastbeat or any other rhythm. And the guitar just sounded like an excessively overdriven bass.

The club even shut them down. HOW DOES A SIGNED ACT GET CUT OFF?!?!?!? A venue like that should be pleased to have a singed [sic] band, signed to Relapse nonetheless, play their stage. But no they actually kicked them off.

Now, I wouldn’t dare report anything sent to us by one reader as stone-cold fact; but why would the fellow bother to lie? It appears Jucifer had a really, really bad night. Can anyone confirm/deny these accusations?

-VN

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  • Tim

    Bad night or not, if clubs held everyone to these standards Avenged Sevenfold would never finish a set.

  • J cantrell

    or attreyu

  • http://www.roxwel.com Pick-Axe Bobby

    Noise is part of the Jucifer show, folks. The wonderous, bone-shaking, window-shattering show. Guess the club wasn’t down. Too bad.

  • metal_As_Fuck

    might have something to do with that they fucking suck cock

  • phatman

    1-this isn’t even close to metal news,you might as well be covering avril lavigne
    2-that bitch isn’t hot,IT looks like a transtesticle…prolly a hermappledite

  • http://www.nonelouder.com Iann

    I don’t see how you can’t see what the big deal is with that album..like at all.

  • 36Thoughtless

    While I don’t much care for L’Autrichienne or Jucifer at all in general, I understand why it gets all the press it does. I have a feeling we don’t know the full story behind their set getting cut.

  • Valhallen

    Damn… I really wanted to go to this show too. L’Autrichienne was pretty awesome if I may say so myself.

  • Tommy Leebowitz

    @Pick-Axe: What did they expect that massive wall of amps to produce. You’re right, total shame the club wasn’t down for it. Unless there is another reason…

  • http://www.myspace.com/corrosivefaterox Rohit

    I don’t remember having that many typos in the email…

    36 Thoughtless:

    I saw the manager or whoever was running the show at the time’s face. I was next to him when he told the sound guy to cut them off.

    Like most shows when a band is done a dj/sound guy will start spinning/playing some records; you could blatantly hear Arch Enemy being played over Jucifer.

    You could see the face of confusion the singer/guitarist had, she was quite pissed when she found out what happened.

    I don’t think the wall of sound had anything to do with, as far as I know, but I know that only about 10% of the people there actually were enjoying Jucifer.

    I guess it’s an acquired taste…go figure.

  • http://www.myspace.com/corrosivefate Rohit

    That comment was directed to only at you 36, but just everyone who commented

  • Catharsis

    I was at that show as well, and talked to Amber, the vocalist, after their criminally-short set. The club dicked them over from the start; the show was running late and Jucifer had to go on almost a half hour late for one thing. Yeah, they’re loud as fuck, but, uh – that’s kind of their thing. It’s what makes them so devastatingly great live. Europa should have expected that; they booked the band, after all. It was a bad night overall I suppose.

    I just caught Jucifer again at the Knitting Factory tonight; they were amazing, the sound was sick, and people loved it. I guess it all depends on the venue.

    As for this:
    “1-this isn’t even close to metal news,you might as well be covering avril lavigne
    2-that bitch isn’t hot,IT looks like a transtesticle…prolly a hermappledite”

    You have Down’s Syndrome. Learn to spell, graduate high school, get the shit out of your musically-ignorant ears and give a listen to what REAL experimental and extreme music sounds like. Fucking mongoloid.

  • http://www.myspace.com/corrosivefate Rohit

    I suppose but being a half hour late isn’t actually that bad I’ve played shows where the venue was more than an hour behind, whether its their own fault or not. This was the first time I was at Europa so I don’t know how they run.

    But being a half hour late shouldn’t ruin a show. I guess it wasn’t really they’re type of crowd either. They had to follow a crazy psychedelic band from Tokyo, Moja, who totally kicked ass IMO. And Suicide City as well.

    But that still shouldn’t compromise a show. I think the fact that was less inaudible then an early Mayhem demo was the real kicker, though. I listen to a lot of old school death/black metal demos with the reverb on max as well.

    So if you could decipher what she was playing kudos to you.

  • DemonicLemming

    I don’t quite get the point of bands playing so loud it’s actually painful to listen to. You play that loud, no one can tell what the fuck is going on, other than a lot of noise. It doesn’t sound like music, it’s not enjoyable – if I want a shitload of really, really loud noise, I’ll go to the local ricer meet when all the retards get together for system “port wars” and stick my head in a car’s trunk.

    Play loud, great, it’s a metal show, shit’s supposed to be loud. Play so loud that it hurts and no one can tell what’s going on – BTBAM at Ozzfest comes to mind – and it’s fucking pointless. It’s something I’ve noticed at metal concerts I’ve attended the past few years….I’m not paying $20 or $40 or $60 to get into a fucking concert to hear a “wall of noise”, I’m there to hear music. Unfortunately, it seems to be the trend now – even a recent Nightwish show I went to was like that – and I doubt it stops any time soon.

    Meh.

  • Rob

    (A) Jucifer play with more amps than god and are twice as loud. It can be overwhelming in a club with bad acoustics. This club was obviously one of those “sound demons” clubs, but without the balls to admit it. Hence the “kick the band off the stage” move.

    (B) Playing loud as hell is crazy. I had to leave High On Fire live, and they are one of my top 3 favorite bands, because they were so fucking loud it made my ears feel like they were going to walk out on me. So Jucifer’s gimmick worked against them this time. Wah-wah. At the same time, engineers mix the sound at gigs based on the idea that you are there wearing earplugs. Wear some fucking earplugs. Not metal, you say? Everyone in the fucking band is wearing them.

    (C) I love Jucifer and love seeing their name in print whether it is positive or negative, so big ups, Metalsucks.

  • http://coveredinspores.blogspot.com/ CW

    Wear earplugs! its a necessity unless you want your ears to crap out on you by the time you hit 25. A good sound guy should have the confidence to tell a band to turn down if it is in the bands interest, because often its hard to tell from the stage how things are out front they should work with the band.

    Case in point Khanate and Cursed two loud as fuck bands saw both in manchester at different venues and both were LOUD but both still sounded fantastic. Often its an arrogance thing either on part of the band or the sound guy!

  • http://www.myspace.com/divinationmetal thedoomsdaybroadcast

    um, yeah… I am not really a fan but, Jucifer is ALWAYS a wall fo noise. that IS the point. They are the loudest band i have ever seen this side of TODAY IS THE DAY. this guy saw that they are signed to Relapse and was expecting someone that sounds like Regurgitated or Bongzilla. You can no long judge a band by what label they are signed to. Roadrunner has Nickelback & rap artists.

  • http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/music/metal/ BBG

    Anyone have a report from the PAID show at the Knitting Factory? The Jucifer show referenced above was free, so I would imagine that had a little bit to do with Europa’s decision making process.

    Jucifer is looooud, and anyone who goes to Europa knows that the heavy bands that play there ALWAYS complain about too little volume. Matt Pike did when I saw him there, so did his ex-bandmate Al Cisneros and Om, Harvey Milk, lots of dudes…

    Jucifer probably cranked it the f up and they hated that.

  • Wata

    Playing too loud helps to mask the fact you only play three chords.

  • Sammy

    @Wata: you’re assuming Jucifer plays three chords. I’m not sure it’s more than one. And I’m not sure that’s really a chord.

  • Andres

    Is it just me, or does anyone find it strange how people feel content in saying ‘Being a wall of Noise is kinda their thing’ like its no big deal.

    I simply dont understand why people would pay to listen to Noise. What is music for? What is it about? Does anyone honestly think its ‘Cool’ for a band to turn their amps as loud as possible and play undesiferable music?

    Is anyone with me on this? If I go to a show, it better be a show where I can figure out what is going on, to listen to something that is pleasing to the ears, not something that will rape them.

  • ERiK

    So this band’s gimmick is playing eardrum burstingly loud, but they wear earplugs??? If that’s the case, they’re poseurs.

    I never wear earplugs. I’m 33 and my hearing is fine. If a show sounds like noise because someone is trying to impress the audience w/ sheer volume, I leave. I don’t have time for that racket.

  • http://www.roxwel.com Pick-Axe Bobby

    Wow, ERiK, you are soooooo hardcore! I’m really impressed.

  • http://www.myspace.com/porkspam Porkspam

    most venues even sell earplugs at the merch tables… anything to get that extra dollar out of the customer… if it’s too loud go get a pair and put them on…simple as that… don’t be embarressed that you look silly with thingies sticking out of your ears.. and as for the whole wall out noise thing.. basically everything gets drowned out and the show sounds like shit, even if shit is what you’re aiming for… it sounds like shit complared to the desired shit.

    There could be more to it then we know.. it could simply be that the club was short the money to pay and pulled the plug on the band, negating any chance of having to pay them.. but who knows…

  • Sammy

    Best way to wear earplugs is to cut them in half and stick them in loosely, just to take off the top end that causes the most damage to the ear drum.

    As for Erik never wearing earplugs and being 33, just wait ’til you’re 53. Hearing damage is cumulative. It’ll catch up to you and you’ll wish you’d protected your ears. That ringing (tinnitus) will hit you and never leave.

  • phatman

    @catharsis

    the spelling mistakes were intentional you goof,go get your diaper changed…

  • JT EXTREME

    Their live show is COMPLETELY different from their recorded sound. I’ve seen them live 3-4 times, and throughout the set, I would hear a riff and go, “Oh it’s THAT song!” Everything is sped up and it’s a wall of noise.

    My band actually opened for them a long time ago, and because they have so many goddamn cabinets (felt like 40), we were the lucky ones who got to help them unload. :)

    I love Jucifer’s albums. They’re great. The songs are beautifully constructed and layered, but I just don’t get the live show.

  • http://www.myspace.com/corrosivefate Rohit

    You know now that I actually listened to their recorded stuff, its actually that not bad, I just don’t see why they play like that live.

  • ERiK

    @ Pick-Axe -

    No, I think it’s Jucifer who thinks they’re sooooooooo hardcore by playing stupid loud, but wearing earplugs to compensate (if that is indeed the case).

  • whatwhy

    isn’t it better that they turn it down a little rather than us wearing ear plugs

  • catsaremetal

    Swans was doing that “wall of noise” thing more than 20 years ago, and people have reported vomiting at their shows because of the extreme decibel levels.

  • humanssuck

    The show was not cut short because of anything to do with Jucifer. I know because I drove 4 hours to see them, expecting a normal headliner set time, and barely saw half the set, so when it was over waaay too soon I went to the bar and said WTF??? Turns out the club had rented the room out starting at 11 PM for a private party or something. I found out from the sound guy who also told me that Jucifer graciously scaled down their amps and gave up their sound check to leave more room and time for the show, which started bands at like 3 or 4 in the afternoon (!) and still ran so fucking late that Jucifer AND their fans got screwed. Oh yes we got screwed. Not only was the sound bad (beyond the whiners who just hate loudness and expetimentation) but half the people coming to see them were outside just showing up as the band was loading out.

    Okay so I’m one of their fans, and I’m one of those who “gets” their recordings and their live show. I can tell you based on that and seeing them 6 times, they are a fuck of a lot more interesting than any other band I know. Yeah their show feels like being attacked, why the fuck does any so called metal fan want anything less?? As far as them not playing music or more than one chord, I know it’s hard to hear distinction if you’re the moron not wearing ear plugs and standing in a bass pocket, but that chick’s hands are all over the neck. And the drummer plays blast beats with no double bass, besides hitting harder than anyone on the planet and jumping up and down between hits.

    A lot of people will never appreciate all of this and that’s fine, but I will never miss any show I can get to of this band, even in a shitty sounding room they blow all the other paint-by-numbers bands away in my opinion. Oh yeah, if you don’t like loud music don’t go to shows. WTF? HUMANS SUCK.

  • bossodb

    I hardly think one of relapse records top selling artists is gonna get kicked off stage at a show benifitting kids with a cause.

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  • monday

    pussies