stop trying to put them in some musical genre box and let them do what they want… if they lose fans its their problem…

id love to see as much input on a forum dissecting testaments history or exodus or something similar…. but the truth is no one gives a shit. metallica realeased 5-6 of the best metal albums EVER… i think we can give them a break and let them do what they want… they have given metal more than a thousand other bands put together…

trust me i get dissapointed every time i hear a second rate metallica tune, but i dont feel the need to bash them… ill leave that for all the bands like trivium and disturbed who COPY metallicas music…

id much prefer average metallica then a great rip off…

finally metallica was right about napster..

Bottom line: They’re gonna do what they want. It’s up to us to decide whether or not they did what WE want.

You also have to consider that in the ’88-’91 period they were playing with Jason, and truth be told they never got along. Also the fact of the excessive touring schedule could help to give an explanation to them “losing the fire” I own a couple of bootlegs of the MOP tour, and yeas, you see a band full of hunger and desires to make it big. Not so long ago, Lars tod that they were almost living of charity before the Ozzy tour in ’86, where they got their big break.

Speaking about Megadeth, I agree that they have been doing a much better job trying to recapturate thei older sound. However they are more a Mustaine solo project than ever. We now that Dave has been the creative mastermind, but the variety of sounds and songs came fro the musicians that worked along with him. In the RIP album he finally found a perfect line up, which allowd them to make a metal masterpiece, and the 3 albums after that, when he allowed them to contribute with song material turned out to be their most successful albums, artistically and comercially, despite Mustaine’s resentment about how the metal scene in the mainstream U.S was declining.

Going back to Metallica’s new song, I have listened to it several times, and it does nothing for me. It’s a good song, I like the riffing in the last 3 minutes, but it’s a terrible choice for a single after listening to those clips on the mission metallica webpage, that offer more interesting and agressive riffs. Or maybe it that most of us, specially those that are still interested in Metallica, wait for them to whoop our ass like the first times we were listeing to metal and happen to to listen to “blackened” or “creeping death”. They should have released Cyanide as 1st single, at least to me is a better song, and has a groove that, at least to me, is very appealing.

I think everyone misses Cliff, but the truth is, all he really did was double James with the exception of a few songs. He helped with the arrangements, but the band really did limit his potential by their being a thrash band. Rob Trujillo is in the same boat. Making the Infectious Grooves monster play such simple stuff is a waste (in fact, Pepper Keenan plays guitar a lot more like James and has a similar voice…he would have been a natural to replace Jason in my opinion). It doesn’t mean a Korn/Fieldy kind of bass solo in every song, but it means just creating interesting parts for the bass and drums to come to the forefront, like the excellent 3 part intro to “Devil’s Dance”…James, Jason and Kirk are all doing different things there, and I think in general Metallica underutilized multiple guitar parts (at least in fast heavy songs) until Load. Sure they had plenty of harmonies and things were doubled, but the guitars rarely did totally and completely independent things. The result was a 2 piece band essentially, James and Lars. Kirk only tracked solos back in the day and Cliff and Jason were largely inaudible.

Actually, TWNAH was the first post-Friedman effort (I saw them on the next to last show with him on the Risk tour in L.A. in 2000). He looked very unhappy, and apparently Dave is still a pain to work with, as shown by Glen Drover leaving so soon.

I think it’s generally a superior album to TSHF, mostly because “Disconnect”, like “Angry Again” and “Trust”, is the quintessential Megadeth riff. That is, a melody line with a prominent flat 6th to 5th movement involved, which Dave seems to do a lot.

As for Megadeth, maybe I’m just listening to heavier stuff now, but they just seem to be getting kind of wimpier with every album. It’s almost like pop music. When I listen to “Sleepwalker”, I’m in a light mood. It’s fast, sort of, but it’s also bright. I don’t really hear any darkness like…say, “My Last Words” or “Take No Prisoners” still in the music. “Kick the Chair” and “Blackmail the Universe” really didn’t prove anything to me except Dave could still play what he used to…they sounded too much like “Skin o My Teeth” or “Motopsycho” or any number of quicker Deth numbers for me to be excited. To this day I don’t listen to that album much, mostly because of the shitty guitar production, and Chris Poland’s saxophone-ish guitar. I was really disappointed with his work on that CD, but “Scorpion” is a nice tune.

I want Metallica and Megadeth to sound as intense as they did in their day, as intense as Meshuggah or Arch Enemy or Strapping Young Lad sound now. But, again, see my 88 Ferrari analogy. Even with flat out death metal and mathcore…I just need something heavier. The problem is, I don’t think it’s possible to play any faster, or tune any lower, or scream any louder. I think maybe I’m just getting bored with metal.

Megadeth is making more consistent material that is truer to their roots than Metallica, but, all the same, I’m a bit bored with it. Also, Megadeth doesn’t sound like Megadeth without Friedman’s trademark vibrato. Al Pitrelli got close, but not quite. Glen Drover is a good guitarist, but he kind of reminded me of an 86 era Chris Poland style shredder…a lot of technique, but no real unique voice.

It will be interesting to see where Broderick takes the band.

In any event, Metallica has been kinder to their fans than Axl Rose has been since 96 and Chinese Democracy started. And, to Metallica’s credit, they rarely canceled shows and always put on good ones no matter how fucked up they were or how bad they felt. When Axl canceled St. Louis in 91, people rioted. Metallica have never been so dick-ish. And they just wanted the fans who “loved” them so much to respect their intellectual property.

Generally though, I think you can see the passion in Metallica’s shows begin to die when watching live stuff. The amount of headbanging and moving around begins declining around 88-91. It’s kind of weird when you look at MOP era footage and you realize how similar James acted and sang on stage to Mustaine.

After “Black” was released, I was undecided as to whether I liked them anymore. After “Load” came out, I was pretty certain it was just going to be “the experimental album.” Before “ReLoad” hit the streets, I joked that it was going to be titled “Swallow,” but I bought it the day it was in stores. I actually had the privilege to hear “St. Wanker” the night before it was available, and was sorely disappointed. I got it anyway, for access to the “exclusive online content.” I couldn’t even make it through the whole disc once, and never bothered to take advantage of the “special access.”

I’m probably going to buy “DM” anyway, then again, maybe not. Metallica kills on the covers, but I don’t think they can write an original that even remotely sounds like their former selves to save their lives. (“Garage, Inc.” being my chief example, and this recent cover of “Remember Tomorrow” only serves to back it up…)

And as for the whole Napster incident, I wanted to post their entire catalog after Lars’ little rant, but ultimately, it was my wife’s download of Roy Orbison’s “Pretty Woman” that got my account banned.

My brother recently asked me if I wanted to see Metallica on their next tour. He’s never seen them live. I’ve seen them once live. He offered to pay for my ticket. I told him not to bother.

As for Megadeth’s “TSHF,” it was encouraging for me, because it was the first album AFTER the “accident.” AND it was the first post-Freidman album. Marty’s incredibly talented as a musician, as is Menza, but they are the downfall of the Megadeth monolith. “U.A.” pretty much picks up where “H.W./P.D.” left off. I loved Ellefson as the bassist, but he’s been floundering on his own… (check out “F5″)

R.I.P. Cliff – your influence is sorely missed.

Jason kind of comes off as self important to me sometimes. Like he’s trying to be too edgy or philosophical. That might just be his intensity and passion, but he seems somewhat arrogant. I think that overplayed edginess is why he works the underground angle so much.

I think the band just got sick of the fame somewhere between 92 and 94 when it seemed like the touring for Black would never stop. I think they resent the fans quite a bit for this. While I understand a lot of people saying that if you’re not ready for the fame, then don’t do the job, honestly, how many people start playing at 15 or 16 expecting that they’ll get to Metallica’s status?

Somebody commented on “Sleepwalker” earlier in the thread, and I couldn’t agree more, although they shouldn’t have touched A Tout le Monde. Sleepwalker is good, but until the classic lineup returns I treat Megadeth as a Mustaine solo band. Also, I think I’m the only person in the world who hated TSHF; fuzzy soft guitars, studio musicians, and just horrible songs (“My Kingdom” especially). I made the unfortunate mistake of listening to the bonus track “Black Swan” before listening to UA–I’m glad the whole CD didn’t sound like that, and I hope this single and Metallica’s new record will be in the same vein.

Cavalera Conspiracy sounds a bit like pre-Chaos Sep, too, as long as we’re on bands returning to roots. At least Sanctuary does. Funny vid.

My choice is what i chose to do;
and if I’m causin no harm,
it shouldn’t bother you.
Your choice is who you chose to be;
and if your causin to harm, then your alright with me.

If you dont like my fire, then dont come around, cause I’m gona burn one down.

Jason’s okay, but I don’t think he has the talent or creativity to really do something amazing on his own. He’s a damned good bass player, but he’s kind of workhorse-ish and I can’t think of anything he does that is distinctive; Metallica stunted his creativity and I think that has had a permanent effect on him.

Again, the only person who really sets my musical self on fire is Devin Townsend, and before him, Chuck Schuldiner. Devin really is a gift, because he’s so multifaceted and unpredictable. He never seems to disappoint either. He’ll just end up pleasing your musical tastes in a way that you never quite expected.

Yeah, i am one of those guys, who stopped caring after Load came out. They were not metal anymore, just an aliright hard rock band. to ME…So i went on to Napalm Death, hehe…

Still, i can accept the fact that they tried something new and were experimenting and stuff. Anyway, it’s THEIR lifes, THEIR band. I dont have to spend my time with it if i dont care.

After the somekindamonster movie, which was really quite disturbing to watch, they really lost the integrity for me. I just understood, that it was not a BAND anymore, but just some three guys going to WORK together, because they HAVE to pay their bills, and this freaking millionaires whine about all this pussy stuff…there is SO MUCH TROUBLE IN THE WORLD and i just couldnt feel the FIRE, the desire to prove something…it just wasnt there

BUT…i actually know some teens who really love St.Anger…i guess they have discovered THEIR Metallica…but it’s not mine…for me Metallica became a really big factory, corporation…it’s really about business, selling, making money, there must be hunderds of people working in “Metallica” whos bills have to be paid.
STILL…maybe I have changed and went further…not them…maybe it’s ME who doesnt get the “NEW” stuff…whateve…i am glad and thankful for metallica for opening my eyes on many things … i actually learned to play guitar thanks to them… but at some point it was just over for me…i dont hate them, i just dont get them anymore…and i dont feel the HONESTY and PASSION in their newer stuff….but it’s ME…there are millions people who will get it…and i have RESPECT for them…

ok whatever…my thoughts…who cares…

as for the new song: sorry, i dont FEEL it anymore…nothing NEW which interests my ears… and, NO, i DONT want OLD Metallica back, they WERE and they left so much great stuff behind, but H…somehow i quite enjoyed the last Megadeth album, probably cause it was METAL…old style, but powerfull…just listened to “sleepwalker”… Mustaine has the great chance to have all the great musicians and still be Megadeth somehow…i mea, no one would ever think to throw Lars out of Metallica cause he just cant play anymore like he did…but then again…it’s fucking HIS right to simplify his stuff and play however he likes…i just dont bother anymore…

I think i would have much more respect for this guys i they’d pull a “KID A” and go COMPLETELY different direction aliening EVERYBODY and just staring over…and see what happens…but it’s not possible cause they’re BIG CORPORATE ROCK BAND…but i fear, if they’d really DID, it would be another “Chris Cornell” story and not…kid a…

whatever…give me back my alcohol

THANK YOU METALLICA
FAREWELL

listen more nusrat fateh ali khan and Krzysztof Penderecki

“Love is just a four letter word”
Bob Dylan ( why is no one asking for the OLD Dylan to be back, hehe … i mean YOUNG Dylan …ehh, whatever : )