ABIGAIL WILLIAMS OVERSTAY THEIR WELCOME BY PISSING ON THE WELCOME MAT ON IN THE SHADOW OF A THOUSAND SUNS

Wednesday, October 1st, 2008 at 10:11am by

A big, big problem with bands today, metal or otherwise, is the distinction between “epic” and “long.” Yes, when taking into account the triple-LP progsters of the ’70s or glacial chord exercises of Earth and Sunn 0))), length is seemingly a prerequisite. But ending your album with a 13 minute song for the sake of a 13 minute long song doesn’t always mean said song is going to be epic. Amon Amarth’s latest is a perfect example – the longest song on that CD is under 7 minutes long, but one could not look someone in the eye and tell them that every song on that album is not fucking epic. The same goes for the need for bands to take up all of the 78+ minutes of a CD. There is a very short list of bands that can pull this feat off, and the problem with the CD era is that every band thinks they can cram 17-18 songs on an album and have it flow smoothly. The worst part, of course, is if an album falls flat, it can fall flat for an excruciating 70 minutes. Abigail Williams – the like-it-or-not forerunners of this ridiculous up-and-coming genre called black metalcore – fall flat in an epic fashion, and do so for an uncomfortable amount of time on their latest, In the Shadow of a Thousand Suns. Through 63 agonizing minutes, the band subject whomever is unlucky enough to take interest in them to an unpleasant forcefeeding of derivative black metal repackaged for the Hot Topic generation.

Pared down to 7 or 8 songs, the album may be somewhat tolerable (but still dull and repetitive), but at its almost comedically bloated length, the album is an unlikable mess. Those reared on Mayhem and Thorns, or even those somewhat new to the genre who prefer the likes of 1349 or Nachtmystium, won’t find much to like. The guitars play nothing you haven’t already heard, providing a chilly atmosphere more akin to puny icicles on your grandma’s front porch in Scranton than the frosty Norwegian countryside. And the keyboards on this record are, in every way, unforgivable. First, they’re massively overpowering, as if Abigail Williams did not get the memo about keyboards being the most superfluous and annoying thing about black metal. Second, it sounds like keyboardist Ashley “Ellyllon” Jurgemeyer simply closed her eyes and pressed whatever preset her finger landed on before playing, with a mess of strange, often ugly, and always inappropriate keyboard effects marring the record. And finally, “Ellyllon” is by far one of the most proficient keyboardists I’ve ever heard in black metal, and she has clearly been relegated to being both the token hot girl and the one to add unnecessary ornamentation to the band’s banal compositions.

Like many young bands, Abigail Williams certainly don’t lack the technical proficiency required for the brand of black metal they play: the drums are ferocious and full of velocity, the vocals have more than their share of phlegm and venom, the guitars shred ably, and the keyboards, no matter how unfocused or histrionic, are masterfully played. But the music has no soul whatsoever, instead serving as a reenactment of Dimmu Borgir’s Spiritual Black Dimensions or pre-IX Equilibrium Emperor as opposed to adding anything new or unique to it. Like neo-thrashers or Franz Ferdinand, Abigail Williams are seemingly happy to peddle what was already created to an audience that has yet to hear it (i.e. those new to extreme metal) as opposed to using their favorite music as a jumping off point to create something worthwhile. While a carbon copy can still serve as a document, it by no means is the original, and those looking for black metal should look to the decades-worth of it that came before In the Shadow of a Thousand Suns before considering the bloodless retread that it is. And for the most part, those albums are also a more reasonable length.

(1 out of 5 horns)

-SO

  • Tommy Leebowitz

    I have to say, I am thoroughly disappointed after reading this review. I was really hoping this album was not going to suck. It would seem that all my hoping was in vain. I guess I owe you a thank you for saving my ears from approximately 60 minutes of bullshit music, so thank you.

  • David

    Pared down to 7 or 8 songs, the album may be somewhat tolerable (but still dull and repetitive), but at its almost comedically bloated length, the album is an unlikable mess.

    You sure this didn’t come from a review of Trivium’s latest?

  • Majestic Ice Unicorn

    Somewhat disagree with this review. You forgot to mention the relentless and brilliantly technical drums that pummel you from the moment the album begins. I don’t know if I would consider Abigail Williams to be “black metalcore,” I think this album pushed them into more just melodic/extreme black metal. There aren’t too many (if any) instances of any hardcore sound (certainly no lackluster hardcore breakdowns to be heard) during the album either. But genres aside (because who really gives a shit about such things), I certainly don’t think the album, loaded with technical and melodic musicianship, deserves 1 horn. You’ve just took a potentially likable album away from a mass of ignorant kids who will only read the review and not judge for themselves whether the album is for them or not. And I would sure rather an album to be “too long” rather then coming up short, wanting to hear more tracks.

    And this particularly ignorant statement was the most ridiculous exclaims I’ve heard on metalsucks yet: “as if Abigail Williams did not get the memo about keyboards being the most superfluous and annoying thing about black metal.”

    I suppose you don’t like keyboards, but to make some pompous claim about it being the most annoying thing about black metal is a bit too subjective (and idiotic!) for a review. Maybe someone else should have written about this one.

    If you get a hold of the album, start with “Empyrean: Into the Cold Wastes” and judge the album for yourself.

    Not the best album of the year, but certainly not 1 horn.

  • John

    Black Metal does not need keyboards. It needs members that burn churches and worship satan, not modern satanism either, the real beast. As well as various other demons and demigods.

  • xBEARFIGHTx

    Totally didn’t feel the album was too long by any standard. It’s all in what you like. I like alot of classical fills and the keys helped pick up from just boring ass tremelo for three hours. BUt as I said it’s all what you like, You said Amon Amarth was epic yes but pretty much “Twilight of The Thunder God” is the most moving track. Other than that I feel everything flows about as fast as Viking Hordes move. SLOW!!! Anyway it’s all good.

  • KillingWthASmile

    I came to visit this site as a means to escape the harsh/assholeish reviews and criticism that is seen all over Blabbermouth.net. This album is not as horrible as you describe it. I defintely enjoyed it more than the previous 2 efforts this morning while listening to it at work doing my paperwork. IMO it flowed through very nicely and was not dull at all.

  • Iblewagoattwice

    It’s Abigail Williams, not willAIms.

  • Majestic Ice Unicorn

    @John

    I’m hoping that was supposed to be sarcastic or a joke…

  • Kye

    They aren’t the best band out there, but I think they’re less derivative of the second wave of black metal than most black metal bands.

    At least they aren’t afraid to do something that isn’t “kvlt”

  • jonowev

    There is this scene kid at college that always wears an Abigail Williams shirt. Maybe I should direct him to this review and then lend him a DarkThrone album.

  • Kye

    I just realized there are only 2 songs that ever even over 6 minutes on this record(and even those aren’t by much)

    …so what was the point of the whole “bands can’t distinguish between being long and epic”. There’s nothing long about an album that’s 10 songs of about 4-5 minutes.

  • Kye

    *are, not ever

  • Cisco

    I don’t know about this guy Sammy O’Hagar. He gave Bleeding Through a pretty bad review, and their new record freakin’ slays! Only thing wrong with it would be the single note breakdowns. I would consider them Black Metal Hardcore as ‘Declaration’ obviously pulls most of it’s influences from Black Metal. Well, my point is Sammy is a terrible reviewer.

  • CarlosRamirez

    Even though I know I’ll get shit from my metalhead peers (I’m 33 yrs old) I have to say, this band are really great at what they do. They have the whole symphonic death/black thing down.

    I know annoying teens go to their shows and buy their overpriced merch but I remember what it’s like to be 15 yrs old. Shit, when I was 15 I was spending my parent’s money on Sacred Reich t-shirts! That band was NEVER good come to think of it.

  • http://www.coreymitchell.com Corey Mitchell

    @CarlosRamirez: Sacred Reich…That band was NEVER good

    Blasphemer! Surf Nicaragua, Ignorance, “War Pigs” cover!!

    Needless to say, I loved Sacred Reich.

  • Joe A.

    Metalsucks continues to know nothing about black metal, yet surprisingly can still smell a stinker when it lands in their face. Seriously this is for people whom don’t know black metal outside of Cradle of Filth or Dimmu Borgir, but whom also would like it to fit more closely to their love of metalcore.

    I am surprised, a couple of months ago someone on Metalsucks was praising this guys up to heaven.

  • Josh

    At least its not as terrible as winds of plague!

  • http://www.myspace.com/deadspout Bolthorn

    the only thing terrible about the union of your review and the album is your ignorant and blatantly arrogant perspective. no, not everyone will like this album. no, not everyone likes black metal nor Abigail Williams.

    I resent your views of the album. I suppose it should have been more “core” or “brutal” for you to acknowledge the dedication the band put in to “In The Shadows of A Thousand Suns”…or maybe a Textures, God Forbid, or Snot album….fanboys.

    Majestic Ice Unicorn is absolutely correct. Now because of this terrible interview, many people will now miss out on something they may have enjoyed.

    Does it feel good to be kingcore?

  • DBR

    Sweet review, Sammy. Haven’t heard this one yet but I’ve been interested ever since I heard Trym from Emperor is doing the drumming for it. That might not be the best thing for them considering they already owe Emperor some big fat royalties or at least a tuggy.

  • eat my bonch

    This review is totally bullshit!! The reviewer is totally ignorant. The album is much closer to 45 mins in length, not near 60-70. The longest song is like 6 mins. It’s just a shame that reviewers are not being more responsible with their “journalism” if you want to even call ‘em that. The worst part is that because of his totally asinine review a lot of people who may potential like the record may not ever give it a chance. Way to be asshole! Take more responsibility with your power. I’m in a band, and if someone was to give me such an unfair review like that – I would be losing it!!!! I hope the guys from Abigail find you, and get to give you a peace of their minds. I also must add what goes around comes around- you’ll get yours someday for your ignorance.

  • http://www.metalsucks.net Sammy O’Hagar

    eat my bonch:

    You’re right: the digital copy I received had two extra songs at the end, which were not a part of the album and added to the running time when I checked to see how long it was. However, at “closer to 45 mins,” the album STILL feels bloated and overlong, and even though the longest songs on the album are just around six minutes (though I never said otherwise; I’m not sure where you got that), they still drag on and on. If you were calling my review bullshit for that reason alone, you are right, and I was wrong.

    HOWEVER, if that was your whole argument, it’s pretty weak. The album is still shitty, it’s still bland and derivative black metal, and I still see no need for a band or an album like this to exist in 2008. You’re basing on my review on one fact that I got wrong; you didn’t and, well, couldn’t call out any other part of my review, being that it is– wait for it– my opnion, as it is my review. If you’re insulted and think it’s bullshit that I didn’t like an album that you may have, well, don’t read reviews. If a band that I happen to think is shitty releases an album that I happen to think is bloated, painfully unexceptional, and basically ripping off albums that were put out 15 years ago, why, I’ll call them on it, because that’s the nature of reviewing an album. If you think they deserve a good review because they decided to get together and be a band, well, by your logic, Hinder, Nickelback, the Jonas Brothers, Maroon 5, and such should all get glowing reviews as well. And maybe you do think that. But for the sake of the latter list of bands, I certainly hope you don’t.

    But hey, maybe I am being ignorant. However, someone calling me out for being ignorant and then saying that Abigail Williams should give me a “peace” of their minds makes me think otherwise.

  • Ready2Die

    This album deserves at least 4, if not 5 horns.

    The technical proficiency displayed on this album is way beyond other cd’s i have seen with higher ratings on this site. I mean its Trym from Emperor on drums dude… The keyboards on this album are some of the most proficiently played in the genre… James Fucking Murphy (Testament, Death, Obituary, Disincarnate) plays the fucking guitar solo on “The World Beyond”. I mean if you had done your homework you would have at least mentioned these facts as surely that would throw some potential listeners at this band.

    And if you HATE keyboards in black metal then why are you choosing to do this review??? A professional reviewer would not review something that they were already biased against. For instance if you hated female vocals why would you want to do the sole review for this site instead of letting someone who would actually give it a fair review give it a chance?

    How do you get off saying this cd has anything to do with metalcore yet at the same time claiming that they are just ripping off black metal bands from 15 years ago. Make up your mind…

    It just seems like you come right out the gates with a hatred for this band and it just makes you look lame. Did the singer fuck your girlfriend or what dude? if so get over it ha. You did not even get the running time correct, you were off by at least 14 minutes…

  • dthrasher

    it doesn’t matter who plays the instrument if what comes out sucks. not that i’m saying this sucks because i haven’t listened to it, just pointing out that the flawed argument.

  • DemonicLemming

    Technical proficiency does not a good album make. You can have the best fucking technical drummer in the world play a shitty song, and no matter how good a drummer he might be (the best in the world, in this hypothetical case), the song is still going to suck because it’s shitty. Why it’s a shitty song is completely unrelated to the fact that it is, indeed, a shitty song and no amount of technical musical ability can save it. It’d be like, say, Between the Buried and Me covering a Fall Out Boy song. Doesn’t matter how good they are, how well they play, the song is going to suck because from the outset, no matter who sings and plays it, it’s going to suck. Stick Michael Shumaker into a Mustang, and it’s still a pile of shit car, regardless of the driver.

    Oh, and Abigail Williams fucking sucks. Wtf Coheed and Cambria vocals? Seriously? Dude have his balls amputated at birth? Fuck this incoherent soprano screamy shit. I don’t care how fucking technically talented they might be, their music fucking blows gay goats.

  • Philip

    This is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO fucking epic. I have their last album Legend ep and it sucks SO BAD. The only good song was Watchtower and that got shitty at the end. This is the future of Black Metal. WOW WOW WOW. The reviewer and all the people who agrees can FuckOffAndDie and do not know shit about black metal, and if you did not get my joke your a retart. I am saying this and I know all about black metal.

    I’ll List 5 AMAZING bands to prove it.

    Satatic Warmaster,hate forest,summoning,Nokturnal Mortum, and Arch Goat.

    I will pwn ANYONE in black metal and who says this album sucks ass. I am taking all commers.

  • Izan

    how the fuck do you “pwn” someone at black metal??? Is that like beating someone at jazz?

  • Izan

    and to quote scott hull “black metal is gayer than a catholic priest”

  • DemonicLemming

    Hey Philip – if this is the future of black metal, it should be sterilized right fucking now so it can’t give birth to any more shit. This shit sucks – if I want to listen to something that sounds like a 13 year old girl who just saw a big spider, I’ll listen to mother fucking Coheed.

    Is “retart” like a “bumber” and “labtop” – words that prove you retarded motherfuckers can’t even spell simple words correctly? And wtf is a “commer”? Not exactly in a place to be talking about the intelligence of others when you can’t even get words right a third-grader could spell.

  • Ready2Die

    If you can compare this to coheed them you need to get your ears checked dude. I mean come on haha.

  • Philip

    Well obviously if you question such a statement it only indicates that you have been pwned and you really don’t know shit about this music therefore you cannot give something a bad review. This album is amazing it may not be TRUE KVLT BLACK METAL like Arch Goat or EARLY dark funeral, but it is fucking passionate and brilliant.

  • Philip

    OK you got me on the spelling. I have always sucked on that. However obviously you are jealous that this band got signed and made this AMAZING album and not your shitty 14 year old tight jeans wearing mallcore/screamo band even though you sent your demo to hot topic. I suggest that you get your ears cleaned. There are amazing songs ALL OVER THE PLACE. At one point it sounds like something off stormblast, the song floods, at another part it sounds like Nightside Eclipse, Into the Cold Wastes. Also they have the drummer of Emperor/Zyklon with them. So I do not know why you do not like this. The production is beyond amazing, the music has come to life, and since you do not like this you do not know about true passionate black metal. I suggest get more acquainted with the music and listen to a band called summoning.

  • DemonicLemming

    Hey, Phil – really reaching now, aren’t we? I’m a 23-year-old engineer who couldn’t play a fucking instrument to save my life, and while I don’t have any screamo or myspace metal – i.e. metalcore – on my computer, I do have everything from Gorgoroth to Enya to piobreachd to Wagner. I daresay my musical tastes, experiences, and knowledge far outweigh your own. Even if you are bitter that your own shitty little garage band didn’t pull in but 5 of your buddies at the first “concert” and you never got a reply back from any of the labels you sent your shit to, your whole description of me was about as close as calling Abigail Williams good music. Oh shit, wait, what? Owned, motherfucker.

    I don’t give a good flying fuck who plays in the band. What matters is the end result – what it sounds like. And it sounds like fucking SHIT. I don’t give a fuck how great the production is, or how much this band sounds like others, or how much you’d love to see all the members naked so you jerk off to the pictures. I like how you try to reason that because I don’t like something, I should listen to more shit like it. Here’s a fucking clue, cocksnot – the music SUCKS, hence I DON’T LIKE IT. That very hard for your little peanut brain to comprehend? Music SUCKS = people NOT LIKING IT. This band SUCKS, hence PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE IT. I’ve tried to capitalise the important words so maybe somehow your two-neuron brain can put the most basic concepts together.

    And as far as comparing them to Coheed, please. The fucking soprano lead singer sounds like he could be Claudio’s twin brother. I’ve got opera songs with vocals more fucking brutal than his little testosterone-devoid squeaky voice. This band is fucking gayer than Boy George fucking Michael Jackson fucking a 10 year old boy.

  • http://www.myspace.com/deadspout Bolthorn

    At first I was disgusted at the review in regards to the obvious ignorance and back peddling defenses from the reviewer “Sammy”. Although this review, as it is a negative and a pigheaded biased attempt at throwing a band under the bus, offers some exposure for the band. Therefore, I am positive the band will appreciate that aspect for sure.

    Additionally, in regards to the “know it all” responses from posters like, “DemonicLemming”, helped me realize how the review really is a propaganda tool to help “posters” feel apart of something greater than the cubicle and unjust and lonely existence of sheep-hood they graze through. “DemonicLemming”, you are a 23 year-old Engineer, a very respectable and educated position to hold as a career. However, are you apart of any band or have been apart of any type of metal outlet aside from being an educated heckler?

    The “journalism” Metalsucks seemingly portrays as that it’s okay to tear apart and destroy other bands, their alleged brothers and sisters in metal, and gain something from it…what “something” is, I don’t know. I get the off-cuff and witty humor; however, I don’t get why the malicious attacks on bands who have put their heart and soul into their art need to be publicly shammed and maliciously attacked through an opinion review. I hope this stems many uncooperative bands in your future of media. I’ve been following the site for a while now and consider me a lost fan.

  • Philip

    OK interesting comment yea I have all the gorogorth as well and they all fucking KILL. However you of all people should know then how amazing this shit really is and how it cannot be compared to cohead. This shit sounds like it comes from the future something your peanut brain cannot comprehend. Your afraid of evolution, as me thing with AMAZING new thrash bands like Avenger of Blood and Witchaven, and then death metal is evolving as well. Looks like they don’t want to make the same sounding album all the time and want evolution and this is a step in that direction with abigial Williams. And believe me my musical taste FAR exceeds yours, I love everything from Seether and Alice and Chains to my personal favorite god dethroned.

  • DemonicLemming

    No, this shit is not in any way amazing, whatsoever. Technical music doesn’t make good music – as lots of Between the Buried and Me shows. Technical shit might be great if I’m a fucking guitar weenie and sit around stroking frets all night long, but I’m not. I listen to the music. I give not a fuck how technical it is. If it sounds like shit, it sounds like shit, and for the nth fucking time, I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE FUCKING SHIT, HENCE I DO NOT THINK IT IS AMAZING, HENCE I DO NOT FUCKING LIKE IT.

    Got it yet? No? Ok, let’s continue.

    I don’t know what sort of fucking post-apocalyptic future you think this fucking shit comes from, but if you consider this gay shit “evolution” then you should probably go back to school and try to pay attention to just what evolution is. This band sucks. That’s all there is to it. It’s not amazing, it’s not some kind of “zomg I just jizzed my pants cuz this is so FUTURE dude!” evolution, it’s just plain whiny screamy shit. Evolution implies successful forward progress. There’s nothing successful or forward-moving about this music.

    And yes, I will compare them to Coheed and Cambria, because like I said, the screamy vocals are FUCKING GAY. Have you never fucking listened to Coheed? Or can your piddly little mind simply not grasp the fact that BOTH SINGERS HAVE WHINY REEDY GIRLY SOUNDING VOICES, and that’s the ONLY fucking comparison I’m drawing between the two?

    And no, bub, my music collection dwarfs yours. I have shit from genres you don’t even know exist. I listen to more different music in a year than you have in your whole fucking life. I’ve forgotten about more good bands than you have ever listened to.

  • DemonicLemming

    Bolthorn – what’s actually being in a band have to do with having an opinion on what a specific band sounds like? I’ve been to plenty of concerts, and have an extremely broad range of music that I listen to daily, most of it stuff even the majority of people on this site haven’t heard of.

    I doubt very much, whether you talked to my friends, that they would say I could be, in any way, connected to sheeple thinking, nor would they say I have the need to make myself part of something “greater”. ;) It’s ok. Trying to come across as intelligent doesn’t quite work when you don’t know shit about the person you’re trying to degrade.

    I seriously doubt the band in question gives a damn about my opinion. I’ve never, nor will be, at any of their shows, I’ll never purchase any of their cds or shirts, and I don’t plan on ever listening to their music. Aside from that, none of my friends are metalheads, so it’s not quite like I’m going to go out screaming to them that this band sucks, they shouldn’t buy it, etc etc. As is evidenced by your post (know-it-all response?), you don’t quite understand that what’s being given here are OPINIONS. I’m not trying to say my opinion is fact. It’s not. It’s no more right or wrong than anyone else’s opinion. But I’ll be goddamned if I can’t express my opinion just because it’s negative. That’s a bullshit PC world I refuse to live in. I’m not going to change my opinion just because someone says I should. It’s my opinion and anyone who doesn’t like it can fuck off. What’re being expressed here are opinions, and if I seem “know it all” it’s simply because I know exactly what my opinion is, why it is what it is, and don’t have any qualms about disagreeing with other people over it.

    And we’re not a community of people discussing Bach, Stravinsky, and Mahler. If you think we’re all going to discuss our opinions politely, you’re on the wrong site.

    It’s sorta funny though, how it’s perfectly fine for almost every metal site to talk absolute shit about Metallica – one of the pioneer bands that put metal where it is today – but when someone says something negative about a band most people haven’t heard of and likely wouldn’t bother buying music from, it somehow becomes “wrong”. Try explaining that one.

  • http://www.myspace.com Bolthorn

    For someone who says they really don’t care about how people perceive your opinions you sure do like to talk a lot about yourself in regards to how musically diverse you are compared to others. The immediate relation to being a musician in which you took stance on was infact not a question of if you were technically sound, however, a question of your involvment of being in the music business. You’ve repeated and confirmed what I was implying. You are a fan of music, so you can not empathize with the hardships bands take on in their career choices to make the music you adore and despise.

    I can assure you the band doesn’t care what your negative opinions are of them, I know because I showed this “article” to them myself. They are thankful for your continous efforts to put forth a focus on them. It will help their album sales, thank you on behalf of Abigail Williams.

    As for the comprehension of opinions, I can surely relate and empathize with someones stance on any issue. In fact, I was apart of Metal Injection for alomst four years, we covered the MD Deathfest in 2006, and had a succesful podcast called The Dead Zone for three solid years and 73 episodes with roughly 25,000 subscribers and a solid 450,000 all time listener count….I can respect opinions but I have no tolerence for deliberate misinterpretaions of what good music is and isn’t. I have and always will be for helping to spread the word about bands whom are ignored by the media outlets. I do not support a disrespect to any bands because of my opinions of them. Its simply bad taste to.

    Bringing the arguement of how diverse you are in musical tastes gets you where?

    How is it you degrade others musical knowledge and and claim my knowledge of you is irrational and a sorry attempt to degrade you through intelligence? Why do you feel the need to belittle and gloat?

    I didn’t want to spar with you through text, I was simply exposing your double standards. Does that offend you?

    Your poster name has irony written all over it, where is the cliff you furry little demonic lemming?

  • DemonicLemming

    Having good musical diversity means quite a bit when it comes to being able to tell what good music is, and what it isn’t. I find it funny, though, that you don’t comment on Phil saying his “music spectrum” is infinitely bigger than mine. I’m the one talking about myself in a positive manner, when Mr. Phil is the one promoting himself as the Grand Uber Master of All That Is Black Metal? Come on, now. Are you intentionally ignoring him because by not, you’d undermine your argument?

    I don’t give a damn what bands go through, either due to success or failure, to make music. Do you think anyone out there cares about how many man-hours it took to design and engineer simple things that makes their lives comfortable? Hell no. No one gives a damn about the guy cooking the food at your favorite restaurant, the people working at the publishing plant that prints your favorite magazine, so why should I give a good damn about what band members go through to make music? My relationship with bands is simple – they make music, I listen to it. That’s it. I don’t care about their lives, thoughts, abilities, successes, or failures, primarily because I doubt they ever even think about the things I design and engineer, and take time out to be grateful for what engineers everywhere do.

    Alright, that sounded self-congratulatory, but I don’t know any other way to put it to get my point across on a message board. Engineers are like every other profession out there – most people don’t give a damn about what they have to go through in order to get them the end product they buy. Hence, my question to you would be, why would bands be an exception to that? Don’t give me the “heart and soul” bullshit either, because that goes for a lot of other jobs out there. Programmers give just as much heart and soul to games, and the only time you ever see mention of them is people bitching about game release delays and bugs.

    I’m glad you know the band, I’m glad you showed them what I said. I’d opine my thoughts to them face-to-face, because the thing is, I have nothing against them personally. I just really dislike the music they make. However, I very seriously doubt my comments here will cause a mass flood of people to go buy their album. Really, in the end, it’s not going to have any noticeable effect. If my rants would actually negatively affect sales – and they won’t – I wouldn’t be quite as harsh as I have been. I’m really just pissing into the ocean though, so why toss some pretty sparklies onto my opinions when I don’t need to?

    An incidental little side note here – it is evidenced by the sales of the newest Metallica album, that the music community that actually purchases music doesn’t give a damn about what a bunch of elitist armchair critics think about music. Reviews serve, at best, as something to laugh at when the views expounded in them diverge completely from what popular opinion actually is.

    You evidently have a different view of “disrespect” than I do. I don’t see how voicing negative opinions, no matter how harsh, uncomplimentary, or lopsided, is being “disrespectful” on the part of individual people not writing “official” reviews. As far as an “official review” goes, yes, I can see how blatantly ignoring positive aspects of the music, or outright spiteful criticism of a band could be disrespectful, but honestly, so what? I’m tired of PC bullshit. Most of the music I listen to is ignored by media outlets, never will be on the radio, and likely won’t make the band members much, if any, money. However, I don’t see how that could or should have any effect on how I voice my opinions. If I’m given the chance to openly review the newest cd a favorite band of mine released, and the review would be posted on various websites, if the cd sucks, I’m not going to bandy words and try and skirt around what I think. I’d toss in a note that people should listen to other, better albums from a band, but a shitty cd is a shitty cd, no matter how much I like the band that put it out.

    Musical diversity is a requirement when talking about music. Given two reviews of the same album by two people, one who listens to a wide range of music and one who listens to only the genre of music said band plays in, I’ll put much more weight on what the person who listens to a wide array of music says. Compare it to a non-literate who might read one book a year writing a review on a book, and someone who reads voraciously writing a review on same said book. Which review do you think is going to be both broader-minded and broader-based?

    As far as belittling Phil….are you serious? The dude is either intentionally being an half-wit assmonger, or is truly a self-important asshat. I poke fun at him because I enjoy it. Double-standards? Not really. Idiots exist to be made fun of, especially arrogant idiots.

    And yeah, no shit my screen name is ironic. I made it up years ago with that specific intent. And funny thing is, lemmings don’t actually jump off cliffs to die. ;) Oops. Next time you try to make a witty remark, it would help if you actually tried to use some wit and intelligence to come up with it. Otherwise, you just shoot yourself in the foot. Like you just did.

  • fortheloveofdog

    Looks like Abigail Williams is not the only group of people who have overstayed their welcome.

  • http://www.myspace.com Bolthorn

    I used you as an example within my post because you seemed so insecure
    in yourself and that’s obviously apparent with your constant defensive
    stance, plus you gave more of an intelligent negation than Phil could
    provide for me. Ha.

    Brotha, you are proving the point over and over again with the wind you
    are blowing. Yes, having good musical diversity means quite a bit, but
    you are missing the bigger picture when you AND Phil start going back
    and forth about whose musical dick is bigger, its pathetic sir.

    It is very apparent you are not given the credit you are due as an
    Engineer, you should take that up with your supervisor. As for people
    caring about what others go through to provide an easier life other
    lives, my answer is no. In the position that I am in, we hire up to 200
    people a month, providing an income for their families. With pay up to
    $80,000 a year…and these individuals are still very ungrateful for the
    life they are given…so yes, I can understand your position but I can
    also say, I am not the individual you have generalized in your questions
    of caring. I can understand why you are angry I singled you out, that
    was wrong of me. I take offense to some of the malicious things said
    because my friends in many other bands are affected by attacks and an
    unconcern such as this…you would do the same for your friends too
    right?

    I didn’t show the band what YOU said, I was referring to the review
    Sammy did…no YOUR individual comments will not flood the album sales,
    but again I was referring to the focus on this thread…don’t you have
    this set up on email alert too? Haha.

    What city are you in, I’ll get you guest listed so you can exchange
    those words with the band.

    I haven’t heard the new Metallica, is it worth getting?

    Maybe the reviews you are familiar with on Metalsucks are supposed to be
    served as humorous, but being apart of the Music Media, I do know that
    it does serve as a gateway to attention. I don’t like how the reviews on
    Metalsucks are so targeted and malicious. I am also sure Metalsucks
    downloaded this album much like many others and I bet their humor
    wouldn’t be so strong if the FBI showed up on their doorstep for
    stealing music that they thought would be “funny” to publicly
    shame…just sayin’.

    Most of the music I listen to is ignored by all media outlets, hence, my
    dedication of three years to a successful podcast. But as a personal
    moral within my dedication I never wanted to disrespect any band, simply
    because I did not want to be a “pen devil”. Keep your opinions and
    express them brotha, I’m not trying to persuade you…just trying to
    inform you because the constant “voice” you are displaying lacks a
    certain knowledge and you replied like a 14 year old kid…you have the
    right to say what you want of course, I suppose it was your delivery…

    Again, as for the “education” you are trying to give me about reviews,
    its long winded and unnecessary, I have provided plenty of written and
    audio reviews…I have provided some reviews in which offered the
    suggestion to not waste your time…but I did it with reiterating it’s a
    choice and don’t take just my word on it…

    Lol, man, you got me with the Lemming trivia…oh snap!

    Its okay brotha, I like you. We should snuggle and share our pain of
    being unappreciated together with some “Iron & Wine” playing softly in
    the background.

  • DemonicLemming

    No, no, I’m not pissed you singled me out, nor do I feel I need more credit from my boss. My point was, just about every single person ignores everything behind-the-scenes that goes on in all jobs but their own. I doubt you went out, hopped in your car and stopped to think about the design that went into it, then thought about the guys working the oil derricks and refineries that provide the gas you burn, then think about the truck driver who hauled food to the BK you stopped at for lunch, &c ad nauseum. Ergo, my point about not really caring too much about a band beyond the fact that they make music I either like, dislike, or don’t give a damn about. It’s not a personal thing, it’s simply an extension of what I outlined above.

    I understand about wanting to defend people in the industry, but someone saying they think a band you’re friends with the members of makes shitty music doesn’t automatically call for their defense. My opinion, albeit expressed rather vociferously, wasn’t meant to be a malignant personal jab at the band, the members, or what they go through to take music. I simply don’t like the music they make. Although I do hold on my Coheed comparsion. I didn’t feel the need to initially make a more in-depth statement outlining exactly why I dislike the music, because they sort of thing pretty much bounces right off the brains of most of the people here, and I didn’t expect it to become a multi-post thing. I most especially don’t like the vocals, as I don’t see screechy high-pitched shrieking as having a place in metal, except as occasional accompaniment for contrast with deeper, more guttural vocals. The instrumental side really doesn’t do anything for me either way – it sounds pretty much like what most of the rest of “modern” metal out today sounds like. Who plays what instruments is completely irrelevant to me – I’m not going to be more or less inclined to listen to a band because of who the bass player is and what other stuff he’s done. It’s just a non-issue for me.

    The new Metallica album isn’t great, but is worth picking up, and definitely not deserving of all the shit almost every single metal site out there gave it. People expect Metallica of 2008 to sound exactly like Metallica of 1988. It’s not going to happen, but it allows all sorts of ill-spirited, intentionally scathing reviews on their stuff. Then again, the same reviews seem to think Textures is some sort of ear-induced orgasm material and I’d be hard-pressed to think of a single metalhead I know who likes, much less listens, to that band. I can understand where you’re coming from on the “official review” stuff but it seems like the majority of metal sites now get off on raping albums with flaming splintered broomsticks, instead of concentrating on trying to give any sort of coherent, rational review, regardless of how the review rates the music.

    I also can’t recall at the time, but I think I was somewhat drunk when I wrote my first post. That, or very tired. And like I said earlier, I didn’t really see the need to make a considered post when most people aren’t going to think about it anyway.

    My bit on reviews was more on my opinions on the subject. I have yet to find something I don’t hold some sort of opinion on. And unless you have nice tits, long legs, or look like Meiju Enho (of Ensiferum and Finntroll), you’re not getting into my bed. Finnish chicks ftw.

  • DemonicLemming

    Iron and Wine though….I’d prefer something like true piobreachd playing. That’s good stuff.

  • Super Jamie

    I just found this site. What few reviews I read are the polar opposite of what I consider to be the case. This is by far the worst of the lot.

    metalSucks.net sucks

  • LMAO at u

    This review is a bunch of bullshit and you deserve to die. this album deserves at least 4 horns ( have you even heard “The Departure”?) Your argument is completely flawed and your timing is off by like 20 minutes. This album does not copy other bands. It called influence. And dont start telling me fans of 1349, mayhem, burzum, and emporer wont enjoy this you silly fuck. I am a fan of all those bands and this record is going on my top 10 as well as Liberation by 1349. Keyboards do not “suck” in black metal and this isint meant to be “raw” as most black metal is. They probably made this album with the intention of creating something beautiful and brutal at the same time. Obviously, you barely know anything about music. Incorporating clean vocals is nothing to cry about either, and the topics of the songs are that of a creative mind. You fail at life so just go crawl into a pit of fire and rot away.

  • LMAO at u

    DemonicLemming go kill yourself…..

  • LMAO at u

    Sammy O hagar, your definition of black metal is flawed… dont start saying these guys arent raw black metal…because they aren’t! Dumbshit we already know that they arent trying to be raw black metal… it called melodic black metal. Now go fuck yourself

  • Dimmu-Borgir Fan

    This Album is Awsum! Ashley Ellyllon is a awsum Piano Player check her Myspace (myspace.com/ellyllon)gutted she has gone to COF!. watch this space Abigail Willaims they will be big. This is 2009 not the 70s metal has changed reviewer. what a joke this Review is the person who write this should get fired! i see them as Symthonic Black Metal.