DALLAS COYLE ON JOHN MCCAIN’S “THAT ONE” GAFFE
Thursday, October 9th, 2008 at 4:53pm by Dallas Coyle
Here we go again. After the most boring debate in history we were given a McCain soundbite that will live on for the rest of the campaign. McCain’s derogatory remark of “that one” referring to Senator Obama was pretty much a game changer in my opinion. This little remark showed the inner nature of John McCain and the Republican, conservative base. “This is mine. You don’t deserve to be here, you people…”
When you look at a small remark such as “that one”, it makes me think about going to vote. I was going to vote for Obama regardless but back during the primaries I was one of those Obama supporters who would have considered McCain if Hillary Clinton were the nominee. Now as I think about it, I should have had my fucking head examined. McCain is harboring some deep prejudices regarding black people and it clearly showed in that remark.
Do you want a bigot in the highest office in the world? I know I don’t. The funny thing is I’m sure there were a good amount of presidents who were bigots behind closed doors, but we live in a new time and a new day and that aggression will not stand. The fact that McCain’s disposition toward Senator Obama reeks with disdain, contempt and disrespect shows me he is unfit to be a president. I’m going to say it. McCain is a fucking loser. And he’s a punk.
Before any of you bring up Obama’s ‘associations’ let’s think about a couple of things. The future of America and the history of America. The future of America is much more important than who a president knows and how they know them. The future of America is highly dependant upon the steady hand of the next commander in chief. Would you want a president who’s disdain for a person or people can affect his decision making? Would you want that person’s hand on the red button?
Let’s look at the past and the definition of the word terrorist. Back when America was fighting for their freedom, every single person who was on the side of America and who fought against the United Kingdom was considered an extremist and terrorist against England. What do you consider those people? Why do we have the second amendment? The second amendment came to fruition from the fact that people who are truly free are able to stand up against their government and say,”Enough!”. Sometimes it takes a bullet in a motherfucker’s ass. Many Americans have set bombs. Americans have shot presidents. Do you consider the person or institution that shot Kennedy a terrorist or terrorist organization?
America is safe from an invasion because no other country would dare come here knowing that most Americans carry guns and we’ll die to keep America what it is. The invasion is happening from the inside out with this division and this prejudiced regime. I’m not saying McCain is a racist, I’m saying he’s got deep seeded roots that he can’t sever and it’s dangerous to the American people and the country.
We have to be clear about what this election means to America and our future. All of the people out there who say Obama is a socialist, get your fucking head checked. He’s a CONSTITUTIONAL lawyer. Socialism is a dirty word to throw out there to scare people. Most people who use that word don’t even know what it means or what it would mean to be a socialist society. It would never happen in America, you fucking geniuses. The rich wouldn’t let it happen and news flash:
Barack Obama is a rich man.
No, this election is about fear and contempt now. The fear of being a socialist, the fear of electing a terrorist. The idea that Obama is a far left radical is laughable as well. Who gives a shit? For those out there that think it’s bad for America for that to be a possibilty, think about this: How many far right, conservative presidents have we had? A bunch. Guess what? We got through it.
In closing, it took McCain 20 years to come around to vote for a Martin Luther King, Jr holiday. 20 years. And he didn’t do it until it was a political issue, not a moral one. McCain is a fucking loser. If you want to put him in the white house, I will use guilt by association the way his camp does and deem you that as well.
Don’t be a loser, go to the polls and vote for “that one”. If McCain were to put ‘Country First’, his old ass needs to step down and apologize for wasting our fucking time. Fuck John McCain. Fuck him till he sleeps eternally.
I am not a McCain supporter by any stretch of the imagination and I do not think that the comment was racial in any way whatsoever. I completely disagree with the assertion that it was racial and that he harbors any deep seated negative feelings about blacks or any other minority.
Dallas…dude, SERIOUSLY?!?! Normally, I agree with what you say, you tell it like it is. However, I don’t think McCain meant this to be racist at all, and you just took it too far. A post like this just makes you look ignorant.
Dallas, what the fuck man?! I watched the town hall debate twice that night, for two reasons, one yes i did want to hear McCain make an ass of himself and make himself come out to be some sort of angry Geriatric of some kind, the other was to take a shot every time the man said “My Friends” to the audiance, but, calling the man a bigot, a racist, for simply refering to the opposition as “that one.”? C’mon…He had absolutely no racist condentation in his voice, what-so-ever. He simply ment it out of spite for Senator Obama’s previous voting record. He fact that you, like so many of my friends go out of their way to do the very thing we as a people strive to go against, that being Play the race card! If we say the other guy’s a bigot everyone will vote for our guy! Preposterous. Preposterous and ignorant. You sir give a bad name to our people. Shame that your in such a talented band.
Dude, you yourself have defended the idea that it’s ridiculous that “you people” take such small, insignificant phrases and turn them into racial jabs and slurs. Now, I don’t much like John McCain, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t deserve to say “that one” toward Obama and not catch a bunch of accusations for it. Sure, it may have been a condescending remark toward his decision making skills, but that’s what candidates do.. they talk shit. Not that it matters, but I seriously thought you were better than that.
I do agree that people are insanely ignorant to think that Obama’s connections would hurt America. If anything, they would help. We need a guy to go to Muslim countries and actually have them look at him as a respectable figure rather than a bumbling fucking idiot.
For a long time I’ve thought this would be a better country no matter who wins this election, but the more bullshit I hear out of McCain, the more I fear that we’ll be going down the same blood soaked, money hungry road we’ve been going down for the last 8 years. God damn it would be nice to be proud to be an American again.
Dallas, I have to agree with the above three comments. I am neither a McCain nor Obama supporter, but that “that one” comment, while possibly disrespectful, did not sound racist or bigoted.
I have no idea what feelings reside inside McCain’s heart, but that particular gaffe doesn’t reveal racism or bigotry. This election should be about issues, not lapel pins, what someone’s wife once said, preachers, “that one”, how many planes someone crashed, et. al.
Sorry to disagree with you but quite a few of the programs in this country are by their very definition “socialist.” In fact one could label America as a Socialist Republic and it sure as hell is not a true democracy. As to the racism, well McCain is an old bastard who, unlike you, was at least around to witness the Civil Rights Movement. It didn’t sound like he was being racist at all. “That one” is such a broad fucking term that to simply call him a bigot for saying it implies that you would call any white person who used that phrase a bigot. Think you’re shit through.
I was already getting a little tired of all the politcal rants from the contributors to this site, but I just tried to ignore it thinking it would stop. This is definitely the tip of the iceberg. From here on out I will find my “metal news” elsewhere. Seriously, every contributor on this site preaches against close-mindedness, but yet you guys are completely biased and paranoid.
this site is kinda like MTV….it was once a place to see good honest reviews now just a place for shitty biased opinions on politics. Fuck this site and its political bull shit
Dallas,
You, my friend, have warmed my heart today, sir. It’s good, especially with the three comments above mine, to see that there’re folks in metal with the right idea about this shit.
McCain’s use of “that one” was so disdainful and glaring, it made me sick. When I heard that in the debate, I stood up, pointed at the TV, and yelled, “SHOOT THIS MAN!” It showed such a disgusting level of disrespect on McCain’s part; “that one” is how you refer to your children when they’ve misbehaved, as in, “That one got in a fight today.” It is not how you refer to your presidential opponent.
Let’s say for the record (and I doubt this, BUT) that it wasn’t racial–it still doesn’t change the level of disdain that comment required. Obama has always referred to McCain as either “Senator McCain” or “John”, but never as an object, never as something OTHER than a person. McCain, on the other hand, treated Obama like some uppity bleeding-heart. McCain being the kind of man to refer to his opponent FOR THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES as “that one” is an issue–an issue of character.
Dallas, you are right, and you’re cool for being public about it. It may be my opinion alone, but I’m damn proud that someone in such a badass metal band is on the right track, and is making it know. Stay true. Hail.
Are you really gonna sit there and make a huge fucking deal about racism from two words a candidate said in the middle of a debate? Two words? c’mon, this post was just another bunch of political bullshit. The same kind of stuff you harp on all the time
I remember that line struck a cord with me when i heard the debate. Not because it was racist, but because it was just really disrespectful. McCain acted like an all around dick that night, he was making straight up lies to put down Obama and then would laugh in his fucking face as he tried to tell him that he’s a old fucking idiot.
But I remember when he said “this one”, and i didn’t take it as a racial slur, but then again I’m white, and I’m not use to hearing prejudice directed towards me. I wouldn’t blame a black person if he or she were to read into something like that.
“That one” wasn’t a line about race, it was a line about his senator-ship, and I’m pretty sure its less offensive to be called a slur than it is to be called a senator.
“McCain is harboring some deep prejudices regarding black people and it clearly showed in that remark.”
“I’m not saying McCain is a racist…”
I feel like Jon Stewart playing past-and-present clips of any member of the current administration. Pick one Dallas. Is he a racist or not? Personally, I don’t think it was meant in that way, at least in this case, though I wouldn’t be surprised if McCain does harbor certain inherent prejudices shared by many an old, rich, white man.
McCain was, however, being incredibly contemptuous. I don’t believe he has a whole lot of respect for Obama, or Obama’s ideas, which is exactly what we don’t need — another president who doesn’t listen to or accept views outside of his or his close advisors’.
It’s really easy to see racism if one is trying to find it. It’s also very easy to see race-baiting if one is trying really hard to find it.
If, however, you look to see things as they are, at face value if you will, you can see most of the people who are looking for either are usually wrong about both.
Dallas, I would completely agree with your rant if I thought “that one” was racially motivated at all. McCain is just senile. Sammy was exactly right when he said the election should be about issues, not about petty personal shit. Any personal attacks on either candidate drive the election and the country further off track.
Stick to the metal news. I (and presumably many of your other readers) get my politics news elsewhere.
“Do you want a bigot in the highest office in the world?”
There’s been one in there for the past 8 years.
Must be a SLOW day in Metal when this fucking idiot is giving his uneducated opinion on politics.
I think there are worse things than not voting for a holiday, even for an important person like MLK. I don’t support McCain but at least give him the credit that he would not be stupid enough to drop an intentionally racist comment in one of the most watched broadcasts on television.
I don’t agree with all of the comments in Dallas’ blog, however I think the main point he was trying to labor was that McCain isn’t able to control his contempt for somebody long enough to act in a calm and calculated demeanor.
That lack of self control in a president IS dangerous, as we can see from George Bush’s presidency. I don’t think McCain was referring to “that one” as a black person as much as he was just being disrespectful and saying “that idiot”.
On a national level John McCain has shown his truest colors due to the fact that he is blatantly unable to be civil with somebody who doesn’t see eye to eye with him. We can’t have another person representing our country’s diverse people who is just going to snub anybody who doesn’t agree with them as if they don’t have the right to their own opinions.
So Dallas I do think you were making a mountain out of a molehill by planting racism in that debate, as I don’t think McCain has made any remarks that hint disgust or disdain resulting from the color of Barack Obama’s skin. Honestly I think in this day and age a lot of people are racist against a perception of african american culture more than because they think a skin color makes them inferior. It’s almost a new wave of cultural racism that isn’t rooted in physical appearance as much as it is in lifestyle choice.
Unfortunately THIS is something that both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of on a grandiose scale. As Lewis Black says, after all the shit you’ve seen if you’re still either a Democrat or a Republican…..well my hat goes off to you. (laughter)
I also think the fact that the people above who say they are going to go to another site because they don’t like one opinion posted on this one are equally ignorant. Half of the reason our nation has been able to grow and prosper as it has is as a result of the fact that people WILL disagree, and over time a compromise is eventually made that opens the door for progression. That’s why both senator’s talk about who voted for or against what bill is really irrelevant. Each bill that passes the floor is chalk full of compromise on both sides. If Democrats or Republicans were able to push through their bills in a completely one sided manner then somebody in our diverse country would be getting the shaft.
I feel like a lot of people who discuss politics and argue against being partisan or on a side ARE on a side and that is what makes them so passionate. It’s that passion that puts somebody into office who will bring about change one way or another. Every new president sets the bar for at least ONE thing, and then the next president to take up that issue has to set the bar above that and make improvement in some way. No Child Left Behind was a load of garbage in my opinion, but the next president who is able to tackle education is going to have to do at least a little better than that.
In 200 YEARS, ONLY 200 years…America has been able to give women and minorities the right to vote, work, and speak their opinions. We have created a country where people are free to decide their own futures, push boundaries, exceed expectations, and to be free. These are things that countries who have been around for THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of years have not yet been able to achieve. One thing Dallas was right about, if there is a bad president, we’ll get through it.
are an Idiot!
McCain’s use of ‘that one’ wasn’t the only comment he made that could be interpreted as racist in the debate. At the beginning he said ‘Americans need a President that they can relate to.’ That is coded language. When it became more and more apparent that McCain isn’t going to win this election short of a miracle, he started calling him a terrorist-by-proxy and allowing people in his audiences to call him a socialist. This country is about as far from a socialist country as you can get without being Fascist. Neither candidate is a Socialist or a Fascist, yet McCain would have you believe otherwise. He showed that he is no leader when his audience members called Obama a terrorist and called for him being killed, while standing there and saying nothing. I pray McCain loses this election for that reason….and Sarah Palin, God help us.
You can all slobber on my dick
I agree that the 2008 Presidential election should be about the issues, however, when right-wing politicians perpetuate the same failed issues that have led to the current financial devastation our country has been experiencing for a long, long time, have lessened our standing among the world militarily, and ruined our powerful, yet compassionate reputation with the rest of the world — when so many of their party’s philosophies have collapsed, guess what’s left?
Personal attacks!
John Sidney McCain III suddenly found his campaign drowning in a quagmire of poor choices, fiscally damaging policies, and snobbish exclusionary monarchism. When he woke out of his Sarah Palin-induced stupor, he realized — “Holy fuck! I’m down in the polls anywhere from 5-12%, I’ve gotta do something quick!” Next we see nothing but erratic behavior — so-called campaign “suspensions;” unnecessary political interventions that did nothing but delay Congress from doing its job; votes that pissed off his own base by supporting, yes, Socialism; setting the bar so low for his VP candidate in her debate that as long as she didn’t shit on the lectern she was considered a success; to trying to pull a lame ass stunt at his second debate by pandering to struggling homeowners, thereby, infuriating fiscal conservatives — he has nothing else left in the tank but to sling shit, have his VP and his own wife talk shit about his opponent, and manufacture out-and-out lies based not only on untruths, but also in racism.
Yes, that ugly, nasty word. R-A-C-I-S-M.
When Sarah Palin hits the stump trail today and claims on ultra-right wingnutter Laura Ingraham’s radio show that an Obama presidency will diminish “the prestige of the United States presidency” and that he is “out of the mainstream,” the covert racism is obvious. You may think that there is nothing wrong with that, heck, that’s what politicians do. But when you see how the fired-up base responds to such vitriol and slimy racist attacks, maybe it will become an issue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E
When the Republican populace is spouting out Sean Hannitized-RNC talking points and accepting them as unadulterated truths, it is definitely an issue. It should be an issue for each and every American who fears for the sanctity and sanity of the well-being of our citizens.
Heavy metal is about fighting the norm. Whether it be someone who has oppressed you — a boss, an ex-girlfriend, a shitty neighbor. It’s about standing up and telling them off — with the TRUTH! Not some highly-fabricated bullshit simply concocted to rile up a bunch of dimwit fucktards who don’t have the slightest clue of what is going on around them.
So, I say kudos to Dallas for speaking his mind! If he believes John Sidney McCain III is a racist scumbag with deep-seeded resentment toward blacks or other minorities, more power to Dallas! And if you think Dallas is wrong in his assessment and you come correct with facts and proof that backs up your belief, more fucking power to you as well!
But to say that politics has no place in metal, especially from a member of a band who prides themselves in their political inquisitiveness, is just asinine. For fuck’s sake, their last album was called IV: Constitution of Treason. He might have an opinion or two on politics. Ya think? Hell, most of the bands we truly love here arose from the ashes of a failed political system and/or crushing oppression.
Of course, that would be the only reason to want yet another Republican administration in the White House — there are so many more badass metal bands pissed off at Republicans. They seem to get complacent when there is a Democratic administration at the helm.
jesus, this was so dumb it made my head hurt. you were wrong in just about every way you could possibly be wrong.
That one….Boy…You people…No eye contact…The stench of bigot overtones are what you hear in the crowd at a sarah palin rally….”hang him” “terrorist”….Real intelligent of the republican base ….These so called “americans” are borderline psycho, an deserving end for them would be a landslide victory for the democrats and the republicans to go the way of the Whigs.
Kapuut!!
Go home nigger. [I kid. I kid. Geesh.]
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a. unless you can provide some evidence besides those two words aimed at someone mccain clearly has every reason to try and belittle (they are competing on television for gods sake), then you have no case for an accusation like that. hes not a racist so far as we know, but an accusation like that with no real evidence does make you a slanderer.
b. i dont even know where to start with the socialism comments. basic fact you should probably know before the world hears more of your keyboard diarrhea, nationalizing banks is a socialist move, and the democrats are the ones that pushed the bailout deal through. the more the government controls, the closer to a socialist state we become.
these are the kind of diatribes that just ruin our ability to intelligently debate who should win this thing. i understand part of your schtick with this blog is to be outspoken and say what you think is sensational, but come on man, there are kids out there that will believe anything just because you say it. dont fill their head with this ill informed horseshit. youre welcome to your opinion and you have the right to state it as an american, but its selfish and irresponsible to do it without being well informed about the topic youre writing about. just because you can doesnt mean you should.
with that said, mccain is just as bad in just as many ways. and honestly the president doesnt have a whole lot of control over the economy anyway.
fuckedintheass08
Dallas, you say the rich would never let this become a socialist society, yet the rich just heavily promoted a 700 billion dollar bailout, which today ben bernanke, chair of the federal reserve, said he was going to use some of to buy controlling stakes in ailing banks. Fannie May and Freddie Mac were government controlled, legally traded companies PRIOR to them needed to be saved… oh, and, BTW, the New Deal ring any bells?
To say it would never happen here is to be blind that there has been a long history of socialist programs in this country, including this proposed plan to save Wall Street. Just because they don’t call them socialist doesn’t make them NOT socialist.
You’re a fool to think ANY politician is going to change the system.
Finally you picked up on the racism thing and that it is bad no matter what with iguess the exception of (st.nigger or go home nigger thing), but i don’t think he was talking to him with a predjudice , i just think he was trying to make him look bad by not offering a name to go with that finger pointed towards him, which was a bad mistake because he did not say obama. people are then left to make their own judgments and over-analyzations and that is not good so when your trying to place negativity on someone, you should always use a name to place the blame. I feel the main reason for not voting for this asshole-gape of a man, is that he believes life starts when your shot into a vagina and that you are conscious then, ??????????? you serious people who believe this should go to a science course and stop letting a childrens book direct their lives, if they can’t even figure out the logic of conception, how can they run a country? So if you want to put a Arrogant, Old, Liar, Adulterer, Racists, Money Whore is the office go ahead, i hope you treasure having your good life because if “that one” gets put in office you can kiss that goodbye and by “that one” i mean MCPALIN. Dallas finally you have something good to say. Maybe i’ll use DallasCoyle(slightly)Sucks.net next time
So since McCain is racist for not liking Obama, does that mean you are a misogynist who would support a racist since you would vote for McCain over Hillary?
Get the fuck out of here, fucking hypocrite. The only thing worse than your political knowledge is your shit excuse for a band.
Mongoloids for Palin!!!
Dallas, these are the kind of comments that convinced me to stop supporting and listening to God Forbid a long time ago. This is the real reason that racism will never die, because jerk-offs like you want to twist anything you can into a racial issue. McCain even officially congratulated Obama on being the first black man to run for president during the democratic national convention, but I guess it’s because he is a racist. Oh and he also supported and even helped put together the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 with democratic senator Ted Kennedy that would have granted amnesty to over 12 million illegal aliens in the US, but I guess that is because he hates Mexicans too.
I cannot believe that someone who has spent almost their entire life serving their country both in the military and in politics, including five years of toture and beatings as a POW, deserves to be called a racist by anyone. Whether or not you like his politics, he at least deserves your respect.
I’m not sure why everyone doesn’t take his comments with a grain of salt. He’s obviously doesn’t have enough knowledge to look at any political issue from an unbiased, educated view.
I’m not even going to touch on the race thing. There’s so much bullshit on both sides at this point that it’s fucking rediculous. I will, however, say that anyone that thinks that Obama is not a socialist in every aspect but name or that our country is far removed from socialism is sadly mistaken. I’m not even using “socialist” as an insult. It is what it is, a political stance. One that Obama and our country in general has become more and more inclined to follow. Think of that what you will, but it’s fact.
Everybody has a fucked up political view because we mostly come from fucked up backgrounds…what is right??? whats wrong? who fuckin knows…Im sure of one thing…a person fully convinced is completely fucking wrong…..this country has not shared all of its knowledge with its public so with out all the history, we base our ideals on shaky information…one idea that i learned to have is that “nothing in this country is done (or happens) BY MISTAKE” everything is a calculated plan… believe that or not so fuckin what…choose your ignorance…AND ANOTHER THING….if you plan on destroying all of your god forbid albums because of dallas communicating his ideas….WOW!
Dont get your panties in a bunch its only politics.
Just to clarify: The political bloggers have tied McCain’s “that one” remark to a series of attack ads McCain ran earlier this year that tried to portray Obama as the anti-Christ. That one refers to “the one”, as in 666 and all that. There was an article about it:
http://blogs.wsj.com/politicalperceptions/2008/08/12/mccain-ad-obama-as-the-antichrist/
So, to tie this back to Heavy Metal, as members of Satan’s army you should all go vote for his representative on earth. Should we make the Iron Maiden song Number of the Beast the new Obama campaign theme song?
Some choice McNuggets:
John Sidney McCain III on ASIANS (3/02/00): “I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live.”
JSMIII first used the word “gook” in the national media in this 1973 US News and World Report article where he uttered it twelve times.
JSMIII used the term “gook” as recently as the 2000 presidential campaign as evidenced here.
There has been an entire book written about JSMIII’s racism entitled Gook: John McCain’s Racism and Why It Matters by Irwin Tang.
Here is a good video of the author talking about his book.
Here’s a publisher’s pull-quote about Gook that clearly explains why John Sidney McCain III’s racism IS most definitely an important issue in this year’s election:
“John McCain used this anti-Asian slur freely with the media until he was forced to stop for fear of sabotaging his own presidential ambitions. The portrait of John McCain painted in Gook is far more disturbing than any racial epithet. A central thesis of Gook: war fertilizes racism, and racism justifies wars and the killing of civilians. This dynamic thrives within the most dangerous leaders of the world.
You can stream the whole unearth cd on their myspace page right now…where the fuck are you guys on that one?
When did this site become so politically oriented? I am voting for Obama, and I certainly hate racism, but I come to this site for METAL, not for someone attempting to promote a political agenda.
Can’t you blog about waffles or spoons or bicycles or something? Seriously, every single fucking website, tv show, newspaper, radio, whatever has to start getting political. Fuck that. It’s been done to death for the past two fucking years. Come up with something original for once. If you don’t have anything particularly interesting to say, than don’t say anything.
Fuck, a bicycle made out of spoons with waffle wheels? How fucking awesome is that!
you know, i totally agree with the guy above me.
if i want politics, i’ll go to politico. or the huffington post. or watch whatever video the young turks have up. or any place that is based in politics. no one likes a hybrid in journalism. which is why rolling stone just kinda blows nowadays.
if i want news about the music i listen to, one of the sites i visit frequently is metalsucks. and its a real bummer to see the same metaphors and references and most of the time entire blogs pointed to how big of an idiot john mccain is. it gets OLD. especially on a site that shouldn’t be caught up in such stuff.
i enjoy politics a great deal, and i am an obama supporter. however, this is getting silly. and this site is so liberal it hurts, too. like whenever the other guys were all over otep’s nuts because she’s “fighting” global warming by not eating meat. this is just pure yuppieness. and most of these (if not all) political posts are pretty much just mccain hate. no real substance behind any of it. which is why people who actually keep up with this stuff seriously just kinda see this as a joke.
i could understand one or two posts about big occurrences. but this isn’t even that big of a fucking deal. honestly, he just got carried away with his rant. i sensed no bigotry and i believe he would have said the same thing had obama been a white dude named Barry Olson.
get it together.
Funny, I just found the remark offensive, I didn’t attach any racism to it, not reading any of these comments either, I don’t feel like any bigoted shit or racist crap on a metal blog.
If you don’t want to hear or read about politics go live in a cave until at least November 5th. Realistically wait until after Barack’s first 100 days in office before you come out of the cave.
I am sick of all these “famous people and kinda famous people” talking politics, you are abusing your position of fame, Just make your movies or your music and shut the fuck up.
I’m Sick of this shit and approve this message
It’s a metal blog, douchebag, I shouldn’t have it thrown in my face three times a page on a metal blog.
So, it’s ok for someone to make fun of their own race, but as soon as the mere possibility (and reaching so far for this one it almost makes thinking Obama is a good candidate understandable) that a person of another race does, and it becomes a big deal? It’s ok for people to show up at God Forbid shows with “Nigger go home” signs – even when prompted by band members to do so – but somehow, had McCain even put anything racial into the remark (which he didn’t, in any conceivable way), wtf hypocrisy?
“Well McCain is a presidential nominee and the people at shows aren’t!” That’s not even a fucking excuse.
Obama is quite “that one” when it comes to being a senator – he’s a junior senator with less than 2 years of experience. It also tells me that McCain isn’t some limp-wristed pussy when it comes to expressing his mind – funny how Biden is an absolute arrogant fucking douchebag, but evidently that doesn’t matter because he’s running with Obama, even though Biden himself said Obama was unqualified to be president. McCain has the balls to speak his mind, instead of being afraid he might piss someone off, as opposed to Biden, who makes blatantly offensive statements knowingly.
Biden’s fifty times more an arrogant cocksucking asshole than McCain could ever be. Any comment on that one, Dallas? your chosen “Jesus” is running with a bigger piece of shit than Che Guevara, so it’s ok that he’s the way he is?
Your blog was a hell of a lot better when it dealt with music and the metal community. I actually wanted to read shit about the music, but it seems like this has just degenerated into a spot for your political rant of the week/Obama promotional area. Like “sick of this shit” said, the whole fucking bit with celebrities feeling the need to express their (typically uneducated) opinions is getting a bit annoying. A celebrity’s opinion is no better than the guy at the McDonald’s fryer, but they sure as hell think it’s worth more.
what a dumbass missinformed wannabe metal singer! go vote for obama hussain and the u.s.a. will get invaded! he doesnt support the troops! he associates with terrorists and his wife hates america! he voted 94 times to raise taxes! pretty soon promoters in music will stop booking acts, with all the high prices! the democrate controlled congress let this financial mess, get out of control! i feel safer with president bush! then any of those crying socialist,left wing idiots! metal sucks-sucks!
@DemonicLemming: the whole fucking bit with celebrities feeling the need to express their (typically uneducated) opinions is getting a bit annoying.
Totally, like Avenged Sevenfold, Sammy Hagar, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, Alice Cooper, Sully Erna, John Popper, Jessica Simpson, Britney Spears, Brooks and Dunn, 50 Cent, Chaka Khan, LL Cool J, Marie Osmond, Meat Loaf, Sara Evans, ZZ Top, Grace Slick, Ricky Scaggs, Heidi Montag, Derek Jeter, Kelsey Grammer, Vincent Gallo, Shannen Doherty, Jon Voigt, Donald Trump, Bruce Willis, Sylvester Stallone, Drew Carrey, Mike Piazza, Jon Secada, Tom Clancy, Bo Derek, Dean Koontz, Mel Gibson, Tony Danza, Kurt Russell, Pat Sajak, Elisabeth Hasselbeck, Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson, Don King, Arnold Schwarzeneger, Dale Earnhardt, Jr., Heather Locklear, Tom Selleck, Patricia Heaton, Ron Silver, Chuck Norris, Laura Ingraham, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Pat Buchanan, Bob Novak, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, Joe Scarborough, etc., etc., etc.
Oh, wait…they’re Republican celebrities.
Um, hmmm. Ah, what the hell. They’re okay. Say what you want, it’s cool.
*sigh* Nobody can say shit in this country anymore.
Wrong. Anyone can say whatever the fuck they want. Then, other people have the right to say whatever the fuck they want in response. It’s called freedom of speech. That does not mean that every opinion is correct. We have freedom of speech, not freedom from stupidity.
Um…..Aren’t you the guys doing an album called Saint Nigger and now you are complaining about a remark that may or or may have not been racist when you are using a term that has 200 years of history behind it? Dallas, you’re a moron. Do everyone a favor and never post on this site again.
WORD!!!!!!!!!!
It’s incredible how a dude like you makes me hate you one day (‘tallica posts) and love you the next one. ;)
U rule Dallas boy!!
So Dallas if i am in the crowd at one of your shows and my friend says who is Dallas and i point at you and say “That One” am i a racist??? Are you going to belittle me because of your ignorance too?? Whoever agrees with this idiot should not have the right to vote because obviously you are the idiots that are racist and are voting for someone because of their skin color……Enough said.
are you serious? im pretty fucking sure that “that one” was meant for something else. he responded to a question about voting and he said “that one” then in another part of that question he said “me”. Dallas get off your high horse cause now your acting like a little bitch liberal
Why is “Socialism” such a dirty word? I accept that some of the policies, programs, the bailout, etc may be Socialist in nature; placing control of aspects of society or the economy in the hands of the government is by definition Socialist. But why is that bad? Why do so many people blindly adhere to the notion that less government is better?
When power and subsequently social and political control derive from wealth, we place ourselves in a very Darwinian type of society. As a person (or a group of people) acquire wealth, they become more powerful and can place themselves in position to gain more wealth, and more power — a sort of “upward spiral,” a self-perpetuating cycle. Without a greater authority to rein this in, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. We’ve seen what happens when those with great wealth are allowed to control society. Greed should never be a governing principle.
I understand that traditional conservative thought sees this as generally positive and places it as the driving force behind the advancement of humanity. Personally, I’d like to believe that we are capable of elevating ourselves beyond primal, animalistic competition and putting to use that wholly human feeling of compassion.
To boil this down, I just have very little faith in the almighty dollar as the ruling of principle of our society. Capitalism in its purest form is cruel and inhumane.
And now I’ll wait for the conservative tough-guy meatheads to call me a liberal pussy, liberal pinko Commie, etc. Have at it.
I refuse to waste my vote on “that one”. I’m from Illinois and “that one” is a criminal waiting to be prosecuted. He is a liar and a racist. McCain is a veteran and a hero. Fuck Nobama!!!
Yea, I didn’t watch or see this comment. But I do think our country does need “change” in the form of a (half) Black president. Maybe then the people will realize it doesn’t matter what color someone’s skin is and just see people as that. People.
With that said, he’ll probably be assassinated because some white power idiot wants to keep the country the way it is, and we’ll be back to square one. Only in America.
You’re an idiot if you take it as racist. He essentially meant “That Senator” by saying that. Play the race card some more you retarded liberals.
Come the fuck on… Are you reading what I wrote? I said I don’t think McCain is a racist… I think he has deep rooted prejudices, there is a stark difference. If McCain can’t respect a presidential candidate then I can’t respect him and I’ll talk as much shit as I want about him. When it comes down to it, I respect everyone who crosses my path until they give me a reason not to. Unless McCain was drunk, I think he should be ashamed of himself.
McCain has been off my list. I won’t be a punk and talk shit about Palin all day, it’s too easy. You know what, I’ll be a surrogate who says outright what everyone is infering. Who gives a shit? 27 more days or something like that…
The blogosphere is soooo sensitive. Would you say that black and grey are the same colors? I wouldn’t. Again, Being racist and harboring deep prejudices are very different. McCain is running for president, I don’t think he’s going to yell, “damn smoke” in the middle of a debate.
Obama isn’t in the clear. He’s a slick, sly snake too. But if you think McCain is squeaky clean and doesn’t have any prejudice in him, you really are aren’t thinking clearly.
I’m not a raging liberal. I like my guns, I like my meat, and I love shootin’ moose! But McCain needs to be called out. It only takes about 15-20 minutes to write a blog about politics as it’s an easy topic. As far as I’m concerned I can write about whatever it is I please. I haven’t talked about politics in a long time, and this subject bothered me, sue me.
If you want to burn your god forbid records or never come to the site because of what I say, that is retarded. Take a xanax or something. Last weeks blog was just about the sensitivity of the interwebs: lighten up. If you feel I called you a loser, I’m sorry… just don’t vote mccain. In regard to seeing things clearly, I have a different point of view than most of you here.
Speak to some of your ‘choice’ friends and tell me what they say about comments like those. If I were at a show and someone pointed me out, I’m sure it’d be,’The dude in the red,’ or ‘him standing at the bar.’ not ‘that one’. Wake up motherfuckers, you can think those comments don’t mean anything but until you experience something like that you wouldn’t know. And most of you haven’t or wouldn’t experience anything like that unless you went to a black neighborhood where racism against whites is thicker than oil.
‘You people’ act like everything is a one way street. I see McCain for what he truly is, a guy who is trying to attain a goal. It’s McCains turn cause George fucked him over real good last time. And he wants to be president cause that’s what families like his do. Become president like it’s a fucking gift or some shit.
Quasi famous people or famous people are known for a reason. Some of them got there because of their talent. Just because I got somewhere doesn’t mean I need to be muzzled about this shit. If that’s the way you feel, then screw you. Get your own soapbox to sing from. I’m sick of all this shit about musicians or artists not being able to talk about their political views. again, SCREW YOU!
The McCain campaign can lie all fucking day long and get away with it. if his comment wasn’t racist, you know what? I don’t give a shit. Cause I’ll sing this lie to swing a voter. You know where I learned that from? That one. The McCain camp.
If all you believe in is metal and believe I should only talk about metal all day, every day then look at the other blogs on here. I talk about a lot of stuff. I’ll warn you, it’s not going to stop, until this election is over. People are going to stop giving a shit very soon, so you sensitive metal heads who carry tissues can wait a little longer and everything will be alright…
@ DJ …. Yea, retarded liberals. Just like all those “conservatives” in congress and the white house who passed that “small government, Laissez-faire” bail-out bill…
I am a admitted political moron and dont know or give a fuck about politics but I do know that were fucked either way.
In other news…..Gojira and Unearth have new albums out tuesday. I have both and they will be on a permanent shuffle for the forseeable future. GO BUY BOTH!
“McCain is harboring some deep prejudices regarding black people and it clearly showed in that remark, but I don’t think he’s a racist.”
Just sayin…
I agree that the two words “that one” were not racially charged. It was just a blarring display of lack of respect. McSame has a bad temper, and his back is against the wall. I am more suprised that he didn’t let anything more degrading slip from his hate hole.
HMMMM Hate Hole….whoa thats a good band name.
Dallas got served……
@RayRay
Fuck yes! The few songs I’ve heard off of both albums kick fucking ass.
Sorta funny how there was an entire book written about McCain and his gook reference (and for anyone who doesn’t know anything about Viet Nam, that was just one name for the VC and NVA, and was used the same way “kraut” was in WW2 and not as a specifically racial insult, but as psychological means of distancing the fact that the other guys were in fact people, not just “things”), but no one has ever made any claims of “deep-seated racial prejudices” about the WW2 generation, who commonly called Germans “krauts” and envied the Marines because Japanese were supposed to look “less like people” and thus be easier to kill.
Anyone who thinks McCain is a racist because he called Vietnamese gooks is an uninformed illiterate moron. This whole fucking “racism” bit is getting out of hand. You can’t say one goddamn sentence without some asshat jumping out and screaming, “THAT’S RACIST!” Unless you make a joke about white people because evidently calling someone a “cracker” doesn’t constitute racism.
Incidentally, I don’t know why anyone would respect Obama. He has no experience, doesn’t know shit, is ungodly socialist (Marx is probably giggling in his grave right now), is completely unqualified for the presidency, and his entire campaign is run on promises of what he’ll do instead of looking at the very few things he’s done. Probably because he’s a junior senator with less than 2 years of experience and the list of things he’s actually accomplished is shorter than the list of celebrities I fucked last month.
Funny thing is, if he wins, his administration will have its hands full trying to fix (or more likely fuck up even worse, as is the wont of Democrats) the economy and won’t be able to deliver on his socialist promises, although it’s almost sickening at how much the majority of American people are calling for more government control and socialist programs.
Uneducated dipshits, the whole of the fucking American society. They call Bush a “tyrant” but at the same time want a goddamn dictatorship in office to tell everyone what they can and can’t do. Oh well, it’ll all collapse soon enough, and the anti-gun pacifist pissants and politically-correct bloody-asshole liberals won’t survive after that event too long.
@Dallas: I happened to disagree with your assertion in this one, particular blog. But for anyone to scream, “Go away!” and “Talk about metal” and “Shut the fuck up Dallas, I’m taking my devil horns and going to another site”, well fuck them.
If we all agreed on everything, we’d be like, oh I don’t know, Hannity’s or Rush’s or Randi Rhodes’ shows. Civil discourse is important.
I’ll call you out if I think you’re wrong, give kudos if I agree with you and respond with an arcane, sarcastic comment if I don’t have an opinion. But to think you should just go away, that’s stupid. As long as you believe what you’re saying (i.e., not just shit stirring) and say it somewhat coherently, I’m going to read and weigh in. As for your band’s music, anyone with half a brain should be able to separate that from your political views…I hope.
C’mon Dallas…think about my awesome waffle bicycle idea. You’ve got connections, I’ve got the manpower and the ingenuity, we can make this happen!
@Dallas
You are gonna have to get some tougher skin. If you agreed to voice a view, political or not, then people have the right to respond. Whether they are a fucktard or actually coherent in the comment process. These are heated political times. If you post something political, you are gonna expect to get agreement and slams.
If I begin to read an article on this site, or any other, and I don’t like where it’s headed then I just go somewhere else. If you post you are gonna get a reaction. If you don’t like the reaction, and you fire back, that’s your right as well. But, these back and forth rants can go on forever.
Proclaim your stance on metal or whatever. If you feel someone hurts your pride with a comment about a blog that you willingly posted, then fire back or just roll your eyes and go do something else. It’s not like anyone in the blogoshpere would have enough balls in person to bitch like some people do. It’s all virtual.
Wake the FUCK up.
Obviously, many of you on here are missing the point.
I’m seeing a lot of bitching over Dallas speaking his political opinions and views on his own blog, and, i’m sorry, but regardless of the fact that he writes a blog for a metal news site, and plays in a metal band of his own, he can talk about other shit on here besides metal!
It seems that half of the people on here don’t even read these blogs prior to posting. The words “Obama” or “McCain” just catch your eye, and then you scroll down the page as fast as you can to avoid the intake of the views expressed in said article, and then post your “sTop talkign about political bUll$hit on heer! youR wRong!!” comments.
Well, sorry, he has a valid point. As a nation, we need to stop discussing the semantics of biases, prejudices, and racism, and have a zero-tolerance policy. Especially when it comes to people fighting to become the next president. McCain’s “That One” comment was out of fucking line, and yes, was a veiled slur. It seems almost nobody has given ANY thought to the fact that McCain has EXTREME prejudice towards, in his own words, “gooks.” Yep, that’s how old’ McMaverick himself put it. Now, say he became president, and for whatever reason, overseas conflicts started up with these “gooks.”
His leftover Vietnam P.O.W emotions would most likely cloud his judgement on the handling of said projected conflict to the point of blind rage. Is that whose hand you want on the red button then? This shit needs to be looked at and discussed. McCain’s campaign has been on a rapid downhill trajectory ever since the RNC ended. His biggest problem is that he can’t hold anything over Obama. When it comes to trying to smear his opponent, he dosen’t have a fucking leg to stand on. Need I remind everyone on this site that McCain basically invented the precursor to this market meltdown back in the day with Keating? He went under investigation for it, and was discovered he took a lot of extra sweetener $ and almost severely fucked things up then. Ever wonder why he was so interested and worried when shit hit the proverbial fan this time? He knew what huge part he played in it, and tried to play the campaign trail martyr by “suspending his campaign” and saying that Obama “Phoned it in”. He tried to come out of it the upper-class hero, and it didn’t work. And when people our shouting shit about Obama at Palin speeches; “Terrorist!”, “Nigger!!”, “Shoot Him!!” etc., it fucking disgusts and worried me at the same time. How is there no outrage about this?!? Does this not concern anyone?!?
You gotta wonder.
Metal has always went against what is wrong with this country, and people like McCain, the right-wing, out-for-selves Republicans that nearly rendered alot of shit in this nation null-and-void in the past eight years are what is wrong with this country. Did any of you on here try to play a live show back in June or July of this year?? I remember traveling long distances hauling a shitload of gear on multiple 100 mile roundway trips back when gas was $4.19 a gallon here, and knowing I had the Republican administration to thank for it. It pissed me off, drained our funds, and made everything 20 times harder to do.
And when I see metal fans become so fucking apathetic about shit like this, it’s no wonder why metal & metal’s fans get attacked by conservative douchebags.
-DaveTheBassist
This coming from the guy who likes to use the ‘N’ word on occasion. Dude, that’s rich.
Maybe Politics Suck should be the new name because there seems to be an awful lot of political filth saturating this place.
It will be nice when musicians can start talking about, you know, music.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/campbell-brown-blasts-mcc_n_133172.html
CNN is such a joke. I can’t believe you’d even watch that.
It’s like a 24/7 Saturday Night Live skit, only not funny. They should just be the Sensational News Network, laughing stock of international media.
Now here is news you can depend on.
http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/obama_under_fire_for
I respect your standpoint Dallas, but this remark struck me as prejudice, seeing as you are judging a whole political party based on the comment of one man.
“This little remark showed the inner nature of John McCain and the Republican, conservative base.”
@ Dave Lee
I may disagree with Dallas on this particular subject to a certain extent, but you my friend are just dillusional.
I don’t like either candidate but at least Dallas can acknowledge that Obama is a piece of shit too. Unlike you, who apparently think that Obama is untouchable and apparently we need to take the price of gas out of the hands of the government. Oh…. wait… that’s right… gas prices are controlled by the market. Not by the government. Just because McCain and co are too focused on bullshit and not on addressing the actual problems with Obama does not mean that they are not there. But apparently you would rather focus on bullshit too. If we’re living in this imaginary world where McCain is going to nuke Saigon then I guess Obama is going to fly airforce 1 into the white house. Fucking fear mongering.
Also, way to pigeon-hole your audience. There are very few post that are not stated well for a blog site. You should be fucking proud of your fucking readers and thank whatever god you like that you don’t have fucktards here like Blabbermouth does.
@Dallas
Saying that you’re going to push McCain as a bigot to swing a voter is just as bad as McCain pushing Obama as a terrorist to swing a voter. In that one line, you made me completely question your intent, the validity of your opinion, and whether or not I’d ever want to do anything to support, in any way, someone who would think that way. I hope you just said it in anger.
@everyone else
As far as the notion that a celebrity shouldn’t voice their opinion. It’s wrong. Again, anyone can say whatever the fuck they want. That means that McCain can belittle his OPPONENT by referring to him as “that one.” That means that Dallas and anyone else can then state their dislike of the fact in any way they want. That then means that anyone else can state their opinion on what Dallas said. Oh, ain’t America grand people. But just because Dallas or George Clooney or Oprah or whatever celebrity says it, that does not mean that the opinion is worth more than anyone elses’. That’s where the issue comes in. This world is so celebrity-centric right now that people take their favorite celebrity’s diatribes as gospel.
So, I guess what I’m saying is, Dallas, I may disagree with you, I may not like that so much of this site is focused on politics right now, but that doesn’t mean that you guys don’t have the right to say whatever the fuck you want. If there’s consequences, be it hate/love in the comments or a smaller/increased audience those are yours to deal with as you see fit.
@fink
For me, socialism is a dirty word because it doesn’t work. That doesn’t mean I intend it to be an insult from everyone elses’ pov when I do something like state that the democratic party is socialist in every way but name. If you think socialism works, then that’s your opinion. It’s the equivalent of saying, for example, “frog’s legs taste like chicken,” some people may say, “no, they taste like frog’s legs,” some people may think they taste like shit, some people may love them. There is however a fairly accepted factual similarity in the flavor. For better or worse, Obama and the democratic party are leaning extremely socialist at this point in time. For the record, the republican party is leaning extremely toward the traditional democratic party line which I also don’t like.
As I said though, I just don’t feel that socialism works in the real world. It may be noble to preach, “save everyone,” but in the real world that just ends up bringing everything down. Which is exactly what’s going on right now. The world economy cannot support massive population growth AND trying to give give give to said massive population. The economy is going to buckle under that weight. The mortgage fuck up for example, was caused by loans being given to people who shouldn’t have been able to get them. Extrapolate that out to every facet of the economy and you should be able to see my point.
@ Corey Mitchell:
I enjoyed reading your post up there. Very well said. If you are ever in Austin we should have a beer sometime.
All the power to ya Dallas, I’m glad someone has the balls to really say what’s on his mind and take all the shit that everyone throws at him back as well, not everyone can deal with people really holding nothing back and taking no prisoners with statements like that. Politics riles everyone up at a time of election and it’s so important to get dialogue like this going. Keep speaking your mind dude and rock the fuck on!
You know, I did say a lot of that in anger. But, that being said, a lot of people here don’t really have a point of view about racism because you haven’t grown up around black people the way I have. If you go to the black community these are the things that people think. I don’t think it’s very fair for most people to say the remark didn’t have institutional prejudice behind it when most people who read this site, i’m generalizing, may not have experienced the brunt of bigotry or racism. It’s as simple as this.
A kid asked my drummer how he plays drums like that being black. What type of comment is that? Is it racist, no, but does it have a basis in the way that person was brought up. yes. that’s the point i was making. Unless you’ve experienced racism or bigotry first hand I doubt it’s smart for people to say what’s racist and what isn’t. It’s good to have an opinion about it but to judge a remark from McCain based on your own race relations experience doesn’t hold water. it’s like having a baby. You don’t know what it’s like until you’ve been through the experience. I’m having a baby and I’ll tell you, it’s much different than thinking about having a baby or seeing someone you know having a baby. Experience is key in this. If you haven’t experienced racism than your POV on it is short sighted and not realistic. I can say Nigger because when I say it there’s no malicious intent behind it. When a guy says he hates niggers and wants to kill them, that poses a problem. Yes, I find it disheartening that McCain hates GOOKS. I understand it because of his experience but my point is, I don’t want someone like that in office.
@Dallas: Playing drums takes rhythm, so I just assumed your people would be good at it.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON’T GET SARCASM, THAT WAS A JOKE.
Hey Dallas, congratulations on the baby. I have two kids. They’re totally awesome. Um, til they get to about 12. Then the teenage shit happens and they turn into assholes. ;)
Good for Dallas speaking his mind, no good for dumb whiney douchebags complaining about it! If the politics and opinions of folks on this website get you so butthurt maybe you should stick to Blabbermouth, Iced, Earth, and Sarah Palin!
Hey Dallas, on a totally unrelated side note, you’ll be happy to know that on Pandora Radio they include in the description of your music, “demanding instrumental part writing”.
‘demanding instrumental part writing’? RACIST! HA!
@ “Yes, I find it disheartening that McCain hates GOOKS. I understand it because of his experience but my point is, I don’t want someone like that in office.”
They both suck. I don’t want a socialist who attended a racist church for 20 years and denies ever hearing anything racist while attending said church or an OLD socialist who refers to a different race as gooks for president.
I have to disagree with you on the view that someone can’t have a clear view of something without direct experience. On the subject of children, even not having children myself, I can look at some kid acting like a little brat and state that the kid’s parents aren’t doing a good enough job. Is it a nice thing to say? No. Would the parents give the “you just don’t understand” explanation? Probably. Does that mean they’re right that there isn’t a problem and I just don’t understand? No.
It’s the same thing here. I may be white, but I’d argue that a black person who has experienced racism is even more biased when considering the subject than I would be. It’s just as much of a bias to find it in something where it doesn’t actually exist as it is to say it doesn’t exist at all. Once again, the middle ground is where the truth lies but everyone wants to skirt the outer edges.
Sometimes experience is king. But there’s also something to be said for the clear view from the outside.
You’re a fucking douchebag, Demonic, no other comment on any of this stupid shit.
Lern2swim:
Having a baby and talking about it are completely different things. Raising a kid is much different. The elation, the excitement, the nervousness of having a baby on the way pales in comparison to the idea of those feelings. Same thing with racist, bigoted comments toward certain types of people. Those certain people have a POV that is more based in truth than your idea of what it’s like. When parents get together and talk about their kids there is a substantial feeling of what it’s like. As a non parent, you wouldn’t get that connection.
I’m not saying your objectivity isn’t healthy, but I am saying that the connections black people make with certain comments like “that one” are different than the connections a white person will. I don’t think most white people are racist, but I do have a real idea of what it feels like to have to live with prejudice as common place being black. That sort of thing is ingrained in people culturally.
I said what I said in anger, and I gave McCain more shit than he deserves and the blog got away from me. I admit that but the issue of bigotry underlying our society is still a strong one. The fact that people want to act like bigotry doesn’t still affect our society is not a solid and realistic world view. Bigotry exists in all countries but in America it’s culturally more poignant at this time.
I feel bad for white culture right now because it’s being taken over by all of the ‘ghetto’, ethnic BS that is touted out there. And white america is looked at as the enemy which is complete BS. So the road goes both ways and I’m in no way inferring that white people are to blame. I love white people! I can walk on the same side of the street as them :)
Good to see my comment on this blog was censored for calling Osama, err, Obama a socialist, as well as his brothren in arms McCain.
With the passing of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act, we are well on the path of a socialist government. The paradigm less government has fallen due the collective greed of wall street, the administration, banks, and those who took on loans for homes that they could not afford.
This was only compounded by the passing of The Patriot Act. These two bills give ultimate power to the government in both over the privacy of its people, and now the economic system that was left unattended to its own devices. The Amercian public had no say on the issue. The only voice that we have is a vote. So use it.
lern2swim: how old are you?
Dr J: I’m 27
Dallas: I understand that and it sounds like you understand what I was saying about the objectivity provided being outside of it. I guess my issue is just that the bias on both sides is doing nothing but fucking things up. And it’s irritating when the bias on one side is allowed for one reason for another even though it’s just as destructive.
Rev – you’re a fucking retard. Who gives a fuck what you think? No one. You’re nothing more than a pissant little follower sucking the teat of “what’s popular in culture” and can’t even express a thought more than a few words long or you start getting confused. The extent of thinking you do for yourself probably ends after deciding what underwear to put on when you wake up in the morning.
I’m a douche? Good. I enjoy pissing people off, especially when they’re wrong. At least the shit I say is true, and there isn’t a motherfucker on here who can rebut it, least of all you. Go back to listening to Disturbed, or whatever the fuck else it is that passes for popular “metal” in pop culture now.
I still want to know how the fuck racism is ok sometimes, but not at others, specifically directed at Dallas’ comment about wanting people to show up at their concerts with “Nigger Go Home” signs.
I’ve disproved that bullshit many times before, I’ve expressed my thoughts intelligently before, and your thinking doesn’t even begin, black, right? What’s METAL, YEAH METAL, has to be MACHO, FUCK YEAH, maybe they’re even leather.
True? Let me offer a rebuttal for your unbelievably idiocy.
Gook is a racist slur, you stupid fucking hick, it is to this day a racial insult, it has been used ad verbatim as the definitive racial slur for Asians in the area period. I always thought you referred to people as, you know, fucking “people” to facilitate the idea that they were, you know, not fucking “things”, huh, I suppose I was mistaken.
Gosh, I guess we’re all just mistaken, what with the people screaming “nigger” “kill him” “shoot him” and other obviously racist slurs at McCain rallies that go completely without reprimanded from the staff or candidates. Yet people who chant “louder” at Palin are mistakenly called worthless anti-war protesters, I’m sorry, I just thought a non-racist person wouldn’t tolerate that kind of shit.
This coming from someone who’d piss himself laughing at An American Carol and with a Vice President who has even less experience and is in fact involved in a scandal as we speak, and I guess it is socialist to want a better health system, though of course I guess nothing else in this country was based on a socialist system, was it, you uneducated douche? I love how people focus solely on his being a Junior Senator, I guess nearly eight fucking years as a State Legislator and all of that experience in law mean nothing. Though I guess it’s impossible to respect a “nigger” eh? Eh? Calling people crackers and not getting punished, RACISM, INJUSTICE, HATE SPEAK, what horror we live in where people are called crackers without any response.
Oh, indeed, because the Democrats are to blame, not the Republican(until 2006) representatives who ran our country for a decade and a half, and the two fucking oil CEOs who have for eight, how dare they assume to try and fix their mess, they’ll fail, that is assured. Oh damned be you say, socialist “nigger lovers” eh? Eh? How fucking dare they want an alternative to a broken, greedy system that is killing innocent people, how dare I not want my closest aunt’s death last year to not befall another relative, how dare I not want my grandmother’s near-death experience to repeat itself, how dare I not want my mother’s to repeat itself, how dare I not want my own threatened health return, and how fucking dare I not want to see my grandfather lying on a bed after emergency surgery looking like a ghost because these greedy fucking insurance companies didn’t want to do what we were fucking paying them to do.
I’m a fucking rat bastard for that, I should go fucking kill myself with the Manic Street Preachers cover of Suicide is Painless playing in the background and rid the world of another decent fucking human being, fuck us, we shouldn’t dare attempt to comprehend an alternative to our suffering.
What the fuck did you just outline? Exactly what Bush has done for eight years, though I suppose when you’re a meatheaded fucking hick, if the tyrant lines up with YOUR views, well, that’s just fucking peachy, isn’t it? Damned be anyone change that, they’d be tyrants against your narrow minded way of living, and damned be if they succeeded.
To take a note from lern, I’ll be voting specifically against gun toting violent douchebag bigoted fucking dipshit neocons like yourself.
Now go back to listening to whatever the fuck constitutes truly extreme meatheaded, meaningless, hateful metal, and feel really damned good about being a huge dick who doesn’t give a shit about anyone’s well being and expects their bigotry to rule the morality of a country.
You go fucking do that.
@Revrant
That was an brilliant reply. You perorated you point as it should.
There are people in this world who are spoon fed what they see on any corporate media based website or news show. They swallow it down thinking that, all of the sudden, they are seasoned political analysists. There are also some people who are so frustrated in their lives that they vomit their frustrations on the internet. Instead of expressing their anger in an intellegent manner, they open up a rant with “your’re a fucking retard”. With that, all credibility is lost. It’s usually followed regurgitation what they’ve been spoon fed on by the corporate media wrapped up in a paranoid rapper to forward their own half-assed point of view. Which is usually the same shit over, and over, and over. They are actually just trying to feed a ego that is starved in the real world.
“a brilliant” sorry its early.
Dan, the problem is that the same thing happens on both sides. Just as the people you’re referring to “vomit their frustrations on the internet,” Revrant is also speaking out of frustration. And I do not mean that as an insult. Just trying to bring home the point that more often than not, issues are entirely lost because both sides are too busy bickering. Hell, I’ve been guilty of the same thing many times. Revrant can attest to that. At this point though, I’ve grown so tired of the fact that decisions that affect the world end up being made based on nothing but bullshit that I really can’t stand either side. No one seems to be able to put forth anything but the most near sighted solutions. We, as a race, seem incapable of planning for the long run. It’s really pathetic.
Not to mention I hammered that out so quickly I didn’t even check my grammar, which of course was atrocious.
Though I was just reacting to his bigoted neocon bullshit, and it was out of frustration, it’s kind of like a distortion of Poe’s Law, someone like him could just be fucking with me and I wouldn’t know it, and that realization forms a lot of intolerance toward that nonsense.
Welp folks it’s been a good blog war, but I gonna quit following this one. Thanks for the debate fodder Dallas, it’s been fun.
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