THE BLOGRONAUT TELLS PROMOTERS TO FUCK OFF
Friday, October 31st, 2008 at 3:50pm by Sacha DunableRecently, Metalsucks’ Vince wrote a very informative blog for young musicians aspiring to “make it” as a band. Well, I’m sure it was informative, I didn’t actually read the whole thing because, hey, I mean, come on…. right guys? Yeah! High five! It did however make me think of some other groups of people I deal with regularly who could use a written set of guidelines, like sound guys, or my roommates in regards to the kitchen sink. However, I think the group of people most due for a friendly verbal check are typically the lowest scum of the earth – promoters.
Being in a band who has toured quite often for the better part of two years with very minimal label support, I’ve felt the effects of dealing with shit promoters. As a touring band, there is no greater slap in the face than a promoter who stiffs you on money, a little simple hospitality, and, oh yeah, that word that’s actually in the job description, “promoting.” I’ve decided to break this down into an easy read for both veteran and aspiring underground show promoters.
Food – Nothing gets my blood boiling more than when we show up to a show and the promoter ignores the part of the contract stating that the band needs to be fed dinner. This is something that shouldn’t even come into question, regardless of whether a show was booked by a booking agent or the band themselves without any contract involved. Providing food for a group of people who are far from their homes, driving an average of 5-6 hours to get to the show, and sick half the time should be an assumed courtesy. Somehow, in North America it isn’t, and that’s fucking bullshit. In Europe, lunch, dinner, and even breakfast (along with a place to sleep) are often provided (to be fair, I think in a lot of countries, the government might be helping out with this). I’m not even talking about the ten dollar per person buyout. That is obviously a huge expense, especially when dealing with a multi-band tour package. For just a fraction of that, you could cook up a bunch of beans and rice, or pasta, or potatoes, salad, whatever. Simple food like this provides the basic nutrition needed for the grueling touring lifestyle. Lastly, it should be ready upon arrival, or at least three hours before a band is scheduled to play. Bands who have been traveling all day are hungry the minute they step out of the van, and there is nothing worse than wolfing down hot food right before you go on stage, when you should be worrying about tuning and setting up.
Beer/Alcohol – Completely necessary to most touring musicians to dull the discomfort and anxiety experienced while on tour. Imagine living shoulder to shoulder with three other stinky ass guys for a month. I know there are some technicalities involved with this (all ages venue, expensive bar tab), but think of ways to work around it. If a bar serves Budweiser for example, go buy a case of it at the grocery store ($20, maximum), or from the bar itself at wholesale (still cheap) and stick it in the backstage area or in the van if there isn’t one. Bands will love you forever. And if a case of beer is in the contract, trying to get out of it will earn you four new worst enemies.
Money – First off, if an amount was agreed upon in advance, pay it. I’ve definitely escorted more people to the ATM after a show than I ever wanted to. Don’t complain to the bands that it’s not your fault that no one came and you can’t pay the guarantee. These agreements are there for a reason. Your average tour van probably gets 12 miles to the gallon, with a 30 gallon tank. If your town is 300 miles from the last one we played, that’s 25 gallons of gas, which at the average gas price of the past year costs about $87. And when it’s a door deal agreement (percentage of ticket sales) and you have $20 to split between three bands (this has happened), we’re still going to be pissed, which brings me to the next point.
Promotion – If no one shows up to the show, it’s your fault. Straight up. You agreed to take this show on, and if you are not doing your part to bring in people and provide for the touring bands, then you shouldn’t be doing this at all. If you agree to take on a tour package and you are unsure if it will bring in enough people, get some local bands who you know will be excited to play the show and help you promote. If you don’t know any bands who will bring in people, then again, you are the wrong person for this job. Booking the show knowing it will fail is a waste of everyone’s time.
If you got into booking shows for touring bands, its probable that you are a fan of underground music, and not in it for the money – of which there is very little to be made anyway. By showing little interest in providing a little hospitality to bands who are struggling as it is, you are essentially insulting your own people. Show some respect.
-SD












So, So so so so painfully true.
St.Louis has particularly stupid promoters.
Actually, the last time we were there we played at Fubar, and the guy doing the show was pretty much on point if I remember correctly. We have put up with bullshit there (and practically every other city) before though.
hey, maybe this means intronaut will make it over to norway? we’re a hospitable (is that the right word?) bunch.
I agree with everything said here, I do, but personally I’m more comfortable siding with Dallas’s and Vince’s rants about how to act like a responsible, competent band. To me, if you wanna make it touring, you cover your own ass.
Sure, part of that means knowing who’s a decent promoter and who isn’t, but this post seems to suggest that shitty promoters are killing the scene. It’s not. It’s a combination of crappy, softcore bands and crappy, softcore fans. Working as a promoter this day in age might be harder than touring!
I agree with most of this, as a promoter you should be hospitable, reliable, and a good host for the bands you bring in. But at the same time, bands should realize that promoters need to make a living as well in order to be able to do their job properly. Everyone is having a tough time financially these days, and to demand a free ride is a bit much, ideally both parties should work together to the best of their abilities to make touring and promoting a lucrative and rewarding venture for everyone involved. I agree there are some promoters out there that are in it for a quick buck and treat bands like disposable commodities. If a promoter does not have a real passion for music, he/she should be nowhere near this business. Great post!
fuck shitty promoters man worst thing about touring
food and alcohol is an essential for and band, it goes without saying
we’ve had people cook us food before which was the nicest thing, going out of their way to keep us happy
U.K sucks
being in a touring band – I have to say that having good promoters is really great thing. If you’re a promoter, you really DON’T want to make 4 new enemies. That’s totally true – but the real truth is in miscommunication. Sometimes I just can’t believe how two persons can interpret one thing in totally different fashions.
What usually works for me and my band – the more ridiciluous rider you make, the better you end up treated. Unbelievable, but true.
I promote shows on not-so-regular basis and can say that I never had ‘unhappy campers’. But sometimes bands act totally not cool.
I think that anyone in a band should promote shows here and there to see how they don’t want to behave when they are a visiting band.
Fuck at least sum TOP RAMEN…fuck the promoters…
Yes, promoters have to make a living, and no one likes “free riders.” But Sasha’s demands are quite reasonable. Usually the band holds up its end of the bargain by showing up and playing. Paying the band according to the contract is the very least the promoter can/should do. Promotion is also the least the promoter can do, if only for his/her own self-interest. Food: cooking for many can be quite cheap, esp. if they have such low-level demands like Sasha has – rice, pasta, etc. Alcohol – if Sasha & co. want crappy cheap beer, why not give it to them? It’s not like they’re demanding Trappist ales. And it would bolster the possibility that Intronaut might play for you again.
Reading this I have to remember how you once played in South Germany (Lörrach to be precise) with the Ocean (!) and no one showed up.
I’ve been to the venue that you played a few times when there were metal festivals and the place always was stuffed.
But that one time I went there, I was basically alone in front of the stage!
I also could bite my ass now for not knowing your band back then, because I really liked the sound of the music, but wasn’t really able to dig into it listening to it the first time.
cheers,
Mario