KILL A MEMBER OF HINDER, WIN ANYTHING YOU WANT
Friday, November 21st, 2008 at 12:00pm by Axl Rosenberg
I’m sure I’m not alone when I say that high school was in no way, shape, or form the highlight of my existence. I don’t want to dwell too much on the “anguish” of being sixteen years old, but the stupid jocks who didn’t like that I had long hair, listened to metal, dressed differently from them, and was intelligent – the same kinds of people who later tried to co-opt metal and its culture with bands like Limp Suckit – called me “artsy” a lot. Which was pretty much code for “faggot,” the same way certain politicians will now use phrases like “New York elite” or “Greenwich Village thinking” as code for less savory phrases. Part of me was always kind of amused by the use of the word “artsy” as an insult – I guess “intellectual” was too many syllables for those dip shits – but part of me is always going to be sensitive to the use of the word “artsy” as a negative. Because people who use the word in a derogatory manner are basically saying “You are smart, and being smart is bad.”
Ladies and gentlemen, enter Hinder lead singer Austin Winkler.
We already knew that this waste of sperm and egg was a Nobel prize winning philosopher, but now I just want Winkler dead. See, Winkler recently criticized Axl Rose’s Chinese Democracy for being “too artsy.” I don’t give a fuck that he doesn’t like the album, and his other criticism of the record, that it’s “overproduced,” is certainly a valid one – but this isn’t about Chinese Democracy. This is about a major rock star actively encouraging his fans to be fucktards.
Because he just taught any fifteen year old asshole within earshot that being “artsy” – that is, appreciating anything artistic or esoteric – is a bad thing. And given that Hinder fans are already not the sharpest tools in the shed, I would think encouraging them to, you know, read a book or newspaper, watch a foreign film or documentary, or operate in some way outside their comfort zone would be a much better message to send. And for fuck’s sake, if he thinks that Axl Fucking Rose is too “artsy,” what must he think of artists like Pink Floyd and Brian Wilson, Tool and Neurosis, Harvey Milk and Pig Destroyer, The Red Chord and Genghis Tron – bands that have made legitimate efforts to forward the evolution of rock music and the way we think about rock music? If I played this rocket scientist a Mastodon album or an Opeth album, would his head just, y’know, explode? Is there nothing more to life than Aerosmith records and Dane Cook movies?
Of course, you could argue that Winkler wasn’t really thinking about all this when he used the word “artsy,” and I’d agree with you 110%. But that’s the problem. Thinking about the meaning of what he’s saying was too much work for Winkler, so instead, he just elevated himself to a Durstian level of idiocy.
So here’s my offer: first person to off this fuckwit or any member of his band wins pretty much anything they want. Please do it in the most public and humiliating venue possible. Let all the world know that the “artsy” people are not to be fucked with.
-AR
Further proof of Mtv’s total irrelevancy to music, they allow HINDER to critique other people’s music.
Wow! Apparently this Hinder guy has struck a nerve.
God, that headline made my day…
Maybe the prize could be a CASE of Dr Pepper….
Y’know… up the stakes and all that…
Call me a pussy if you want (and I’m in no way a fan of these douchebags) but offering prizes for murder seems a little extreme. How about tickets for a show in exchange for simply mauling them with a weedwacker in the face? Or howzabout a slew of autographed cds for the amputation of thier right arms with a jungle-style machete?
Shit, murder is the only way to get shit done these days Roman. No…but seriously, Axl Rose should take this as a fucking complement because the last time anyone accused that man of being artsy was probably back in 5th grade when he drew a really nice sketch of some trees and grass and a pretty blue sky for art class.
It would be a shame for someone to turn up dead because you were molested one too many times by the football players whilst changing in the locker room.
Roman, seriously? Obviously Axl has a brain, something that Hinder guy doesn’t. He can think about things and voice his opinion freely, seeing as how we’re in America and all. The dude from Hinder can do the same. The difference? One of the two’s opinion is actually logical. I hope you’re smart enough to know whose opinion it is that I’m talking about.
And after reading that article…WTF!? Are Hinder really as big as they think they are? (Someone else will have to answer that seeing as how I’ve never heard one of their songs. Ever.) I don’t know why they wouldn’t want to open for G’N'R, Slash or no Slash.
PD, I was kidding. Read the rest of my post.
THANK YOU.
Someone had to say it, and I fucking hate Hinder. I try to ignore them but damn are they ignorant bunch of kids.
Really…hope off your horse Axl. Yes Hinder is brainless horrible music. But I just love it how you accuse all the ‘jocks’ of being ignorant and close minded blah blah blah. Isnt that a little hypocritical? They judged you so now you judge anybody in high school that played sports as stupid? You say they judged you for listening to a certain type of music and that was wrong so you judge all that are physically fit or play sports. Some of the smartest people I know were on the football team. The quarterback at my school had a 4.2….and guess what… he liked metal. I was on the bball team and all I listened to was metal, and I was friends with anyone who was decently nice to me.
Sorry you were picked on in high school but you need to get over it. Maybe you just smelled bad or something.
Fucktards. That perfectly describes MTV and the drones who pay attention to this dinosaur. Why does a shit band like Hinder think they have their finger on the pulse of what is good or isn’t good? I have always liked the artsy types as they are more intelligent than others and can use words with more than two syllables regularly. I was one of those, and still am, “artsy” types and have never really given a shit about what someone else thinks. Where can I send the proof that these fucktards are corpses?? Want a particular part mailed to the mansion??
Consider the source. Hinder may be popular with retards and people that don’t know shit about music, but anyone that has any semblance of good musical taste knows that Hinder is garbage. I mean, come on; the guys voice is so bad it sounds like he smokes crack laced with Drano. Besides, didn’t you guys post something Wednesday that showed that Hinder doesn’t even sell that many CD’s?
16 HINDER – TAKE IT TO THE LIMIT
This Week: 36,340
Cume: 117,752
See? Nobody gives a shit about Hinder, so don’t worry about it so much.
Some of us in high school were long-haired, metal heads who were also smart and jocks.
Oh and Axl, when will you be interviewing Winkler? That’s a Jewish surname, isn’t it?
Virtual high-five.
Sam you just didn’t get it and defending your jockmates won’t change the fact that the only good reason Hinder exists is to get murdered. And of course metal these days is a whole lot more acceptable and liked. You should have seen the laughs I got wearing an Obituary shirt in the middle of Nirvana-gasm, and now I see a Dimmu Borgir shirt on every other chain-walleter. I mean, even the teachers back then thought all that intelligible grumbling shouldn’t have been considered music and was going to die in a few years anyway, you can only imagine what the kids thought of my solitary metalhead-ness. Later on they all listened to techno.
Hinder is playing in my town next month and I will seriously consider harpooning this doofus
Say someone does ice one of these dudes wouldn’t that bring up conspiracy charges or something of that nature onto you Axl?
I have to agree with j-rock careful advocating harm on someone else even though I 100% agree with you Axl. Isn’t this similar to why Vinnie Paul will never speak to Phil Anselmo again. Personally I was a jock but I was an “artsy” metalhead first and I would never tell you not to hate the innumerable ignorant fucktards out there. Who the fuck are Hinder anyway?
With all apologies to my friends in Divine Pustulence, what did you expect from these bunch of Oklahomans? Their state was the only one in the entire country to go even redder in this year’s election compared to 2004.
@ Sam: Please show me the part of my post where I said that ALL jocks and ALL high school athletes are stupid. Thanks.
Luckily for Axl this post is about a group of people very few people like. As experienced in my hometown this week, if it was about someone like say “president-elect Obama” and a member of the AP stumbled upon this post, there would be black escalades surronding the Metalsucks Mansion within a few hours.
Sorry Axl I jumped the gun there.
once again Hinder is just crappy radio rock that will soon pass.
The same goes for Buckcherry
I will say though (this is going to sound strange) that I actually get the opposite side of discrimination. At metal shows and other times I run into metalheads, they give me condescending looks at me and write me off because I dont look the metal-head part. I never grew my hair long…but I have had several attempts at a beard.
dude’s mad because Chinese Democracy is going to be all over the radio, thus dropping hinder off the map for good.
Best rock-related article ever written.
While Hinder isn’t exactly my favorite group, I do listen to them sometimes (if only for the guitar solos). And I do understand what he’s saying here, and I really think you’ve got it all wrong. He’s not saying “artsy” is bad in itself, he’s saying Guns N’ Roses specifically should not do “artsy” stuff because it comes out…well, like Chinese Democracy. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I was aching for some AFD-era GNR rock goodness, and I got hip hop beats and flamenco guitar. WTF?
I said it earlier too…FUCK HINDER. Buit they have a few good points about Chinese Democracy, regardless. I can’t agree with him saying artsy cause that’s just a stupid fuckin word in the first place. But some of the other things the drummer girl said in the interview were kind of true in point….but still FUCK HINDER. Fuckin Schlock-cock-stock-rock.
Luke, I was just about to post a comment asking that.
I wasn’t about to waste my time reading an interview with Hinder(they do suck) but I was wondering if this was just a case of a blogger taking the comment out of context.
It’s one thing to say that GnR should not do “artsy”
It’s another entirely to say that “artsy” is bad, in general.
Rosenberg, I really think your blog topic is just off base. Not to mention the fact that your comparisons to Durst are wrong. Durst may be a horrible lyricist and frontman but he always attempted to come across as appreciating the “artsy” side of things. The “artsy” side of things rejected him(rightfully so or not? Who knows?).
Metal fans should be some of the least judgemental people on this planet. But somehow instead of turning around after all those years of torment(I went through them too) and becoming better for it, you’ve apparently just become bitter. If the guy actually said what you made is seem he did, I could understand. But that doesn’t seem to be the case.
hey… dont blame aerosmith for hinder
OK, I dont like Hinder as a whole but I do have to admit that “Lips of an Angel” and “Use Me” are pretty good songs that I don’t mind listening to. That said, anyone who thinks that ‘artsy’ music is bad needs to be given some cyanide…
Oh, and for the record, that goes to all you dipshits who keep yelling about the new GN’R record sucking because its not like AFD…you want AFD, listen to AFD, christ, its called evolving your sound, unless you wanna be like AC/DC.
“Why does a shit band like Hinder think they have their finger on the pulse of what is good or isn’t good?”
Simple: 110,000 idiots encourage them to. Granted, 110,000 may not be much in the way of sales. but it’s still 110,000 too many.
Let me guess, Use Your Illusion 1 and 2 are too artsy for him too. Am I the only one who thinks those were GnR’s best work?
better artsy than cheesy!
Any fucktard taking this post as serious, should be slapped (more) stupid. Has anyone heard of satire? The purpose of the article is to exaggerate the offense with analogies and a bounty. Ignorance is a tough pill to take; especially when so many take “celebrities” serious. To criticize someone for being intelligent ranks up there with diminishing accomplishments for being a certain race, creed or gender. Quit taking things at face value and use critical thinking skills. To keep it relevant, do you really think “One In A Million” is a racist and ignorant diatribe against anyone different to Axl? I don’t think so. Give the man his due and understand where he comes from.
DeafMetal: You are not the only one who thinks that. I find most of the stuff on UYI to be excellent and their best work (Estranged, November Rain, Right Next Door to Hell, LALD (ok cover but sue me its still good), KOHD (see above), Yesterdays, Don’t Cry).
Forget “Death To False Metal”, what we need is to get people shouting “Death To Dumb Metal”.
I dig the new G n R album!!! Wow.. Great music….
why stop at just one member? kill’em all !!!!!! who’d miss them anyway?
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This is the first time I’ve ever read this blog and this is quite an introduction. I laughed my ass off. This post is hysterical and brilliant. Thanks for bringing some humor into an almost humorless Christmas Eve. :)
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your all gay who was fucked up by quarterbacks in your gymlockers got molested and get stucked on your pc with nothin to do but mind other peoples business because you dont got any life too afraid to go out afraid to get molested again
hinder…they use power chords but that doesnt mean they’re no better nor worse but power chord is what makes rock music rock..to all you motherfuckers out there what metal music do you listen to anyway..if the definition of metal to you gaylovers are Britney spears, yellowcard, rihanna,chris brown, 50 cent, florida, bullet for my valentine..too many shit..etc then you should check your ear if they aren’t full of wax shit..maybe you really dont know music…
to all posers who says “who the hell is hinder anyway” if you really don’t know them why would you even click the bigaas headline of this article that says “hinder” all over and take some time to post obviously you do know them but denying it considering all you posers out there….hinder can do variations in their kind of sound its just that corporate music doesn’t want them to over do it on their albums because that makes a record sell.. if you listen to their other extra music like their cover of “thunderstruck – ac/dc”, “take me home tonight – eddie money”, “born to be wild-steppenwolf” then you will know that they’ve got talent waiting to be unleashed…..gay cock suckers…nerd..id bet your staring at you pc right now reading this if i struck a nerve..consider yourself gaynerd
to hinder[’s frontman voice it really fits the crunchy guitars..if his voice would be clean and smooth accompanied by the kind of sound their guitars produce then that would sound like pop or punk…you dumb aas hole..gravely, grungy voice complements metal music that’s why its called metal you shitholes.. to all “new gnr” fans.. hinder is right the chinese democracy have been to overproduced from the opening sound effects of some of their tracks which the “old gnr” doesn’t really use to the sound of the album itself..they’ve gone soft and when you listening to it doesn’t really stir your emotions up…unlike there “use your illusions” album which is undeniably the best even nations outside US is hands down the best.. but chinese democracy sucks so is the “new gnr”
no offense to GNR fans But axl rose hates to admit it but he needs the other members of GnR to make really badaas music and power ballad music…..if you read the news Velvet Revolver lost their frontman and is now acquiring just anyone who could just to keep playing..this show that both parties are nothing without each other
velvet revolver looking for anyone who could just sing
And to this shit website obviously the author of this website really is bias and G.A.Y. who listens to dipshit music like britney spears, miley cyrus and the jonas brothers….to all who care to post a comment you’re all fucking ridiculous fighting and agreeing with each other when you know that the site your visiting particularly favors to gay,faggot,dumb music which is not metal…its crystal clear that you really dont know music and this site should not even talk about music when it is onesided…youuu dumb ass holess!!