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DEATH TO FALSE MOSHPITS (OR: A BIG “FUCK YOU” TO KARATE CHOP HARDCORE ASSHOLES)

 Wednesday, December 3rd, 2008 at 2:15pm by

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  • Damotello

    Owned. Them spazzy pit ninjas are gonna have someone’s eye out someday.

  • http://www.myspace.com/feathersandwaxband jmetalf

    What the hell. I hate when assholes get in the moshpits and start fights. I mean I dance, and I can understand if he was being a douche and hitting people with with his punches or kicking people but the kid’s just dancing. I know I’m gonna get shit for this but fuck it someone’s gotta stand up for hardcore kids. By the way… the kid’s at a hatebreed concert, why wouldn’t he be hardcore dancing…

  • I, Monarch

    Hardcore dancing is for pussies

  • John

    Warped tour dancing is for pussies. Push pitting is for numetal kids. The Only thing that doesn’t suck at shows are stage dives and circle pits.

  • http://mandatory-metallica.blogspot.com mankvill

    Hardcore dancing is for faggots.

  • NutZack

    fuck this, man. jmetalf is right, the kid is just dancing. leave him alone. plus i don’t see him throwing up roundhouse kicks so whats the problem? the real tool in this video is the kid who decked him. hot topic parachute capris, a wallet chain, and about 50 pounds overweight. yea dude. you look cool.

  • palinaborted

    That is pretty amusing, though I agree with NutZack. Both the victim and the pusher are tools in this situation but who the fuck cares to be honest. I hate karate chopping as much as the next guy but I don’t see the point in pushing someone down unless they are karate chopping other moshers. Anyways, I was at this little shindig in the video. Ozzfest near Madison, WI two summers ago or so. Fairly lame if you ask me. The venue sucks in terms of how they set up the main stage and the second stage is in an open gravel pit. Needless to say, the gravel wound up in people’s wounds which is just all sorts of brutal.

  • http://citadelbloodbeard.blogspot.com/ Shanetera

    Because I grew up in hardcore going to shows and dancing I want to say that stage diving, head walking and circle pits are fun. Crowd surfing is for girls. And push pitting is only fun if you weigh more than everyone else.

  • Senior Swanky

    That’s a dick move, but it was funny.
    Fuck all scene bullshit, just enjoy the music and have fun.

    I feel like watching Boston Beatdown now.

  • bahahahah

    the word “hardcore” and the word “dancing” should’nt be used in the same sentence.
    unless your into the other, other “hardcore”.

    thats just a funny ass video, they shoudl really use it as bully guideline video.

    CHOOSE YOUR PATH CHILDREN.

    “should have been a hippy” – Skinny wuss

    or

    “peer pressured into thinking he is cool” – Fat wuss

  • Johnny Death

    This got me thinking about proper Moshpit Etiquette. I know i try to follow the some simple rules when I get “Caught in a Mosh”, so i googled it and found this site http://www.wikihow.com/Mosh-in-a-Mosh-Pit , which is pretty on point with what should and shouldn’t be done as far as i could tell. I learned to Mosh at New England hardcore shows, many of which were highly populated with FSU. I’ve seen my share of unneeded voilence. I’ve also seen fellow mosher’s get sick of people who aren’t following the unwritten rules and fight back against groups of assholes too.

  • slimjim367

    pft
    why the arguing
    the karate chops is seriously gay

  • slimjim367

    although in hindsight gay is a bad way to describe extremtly lame and stupid, i wouldnt want to relate gays to karate choppers, that’d be insulting to gays

  • muzikwhore

    I’m an old school mosher pitter and this hardcore dancing has gotten out of hand in the last couple of years. I like and respect the music and scene but when its show time… I find it amusing then hard to watch. That karate chop and spin kick shit doesn’t fly @ a metal show. I personally think hardcore dancing is one of the most ridiculous act i’ve ever seen! Come kids play NICE!…..

  • http://metalmartyr.com Metalmartyr.com

    Nah, see that dude is all karate chop moshing in that dudes face when there is all sorts of space for him to do that corny shit. If you want to slam dance or hardcore dance, karate mosh or whatever fine. If space is confined, fine. But if your up in someones face doing it when there is all sorts of open space to do it then you’re just being a fuck-stick.

    BTW there is a huge difference between that karate moshing shit and Hardcore dancing. What the fuckin’ Sick Of It All video Step Down and it will show you Hardcore Dance and not this new-age karate mosh and stiff-leg ballet bullshit. I love it when a dude swings his noodle arms like that and hits someone and hyper extends it…that’s the best!

  • Nick

    If you’re in the pit throwing kicks and punches at anything, I will push you down.

  • Nick

    btw I only weigh like 170 so fuck off in advance

  • SickSixSeth

    thats great…i can’t believe that doesn’t happen more often.

  • NUTTzach

    Fuck mosh etiquett Fuck straight edge ballot

  • HardcoreB52

    They should almost have a god damn entrance sign to this shit so dumb asses don’t hardcore dance at a metal show and vice versa. I am at least smart enough to know if I go to a hardcore show that this so called moshing is a possibility, but that is why I wear steel toes. Any punk who thinks they throw punches and kicks wildly and not expect retaliation if he hits someone is a fucking idiot. Their ass is mine if they hit me. I think it should happen more often. Police the fuckin pits already folks. As you can tell I hate whatever this new fuckin shit is, I think they are just people who can’t hang in the pits, so throwin punches will do for them…fuck that!

  • http://metalsucks.net Sammy O’Hagar

    While my opinion on moshing is what it is, I’d like to point out that the dude shoving the hardcore kid was wearing super nu-metal pants.

    Why does it have to be one or the other, brah???

  • Retin

    You know, I could write novels on this sort of shit. At the end of the day, body slamming into people is far less dangerous then having all these little boy fists swings around. Anyone would rather take a hit to the rib then get socked in the face. Keep the hardcore dancing at he Fall Out Boy Concerts.

  • HardcoreB52

    Well to sum up my ramblings…know your role and what pit your in. I don’t care how you mosh really this shit just gets really annoying. All in all have fun. Maybe they should hand out Wiki document prior to moshing…haha

  • j-rock

    Ya know he got those pants for x-mas and has had Guitar Hero taken from him because of he’s failing biology.

  • http://www.hibernum.net hibernum

    Ok, I’ll say it…they are both fuckers. They are all fuckers. Fuck hardcore ninja dancing. Fuck hardcore moshing. Fuck hardcore. No mosh, no core, no trend, no fun!

  • Gabriel

    Don’t like hardcore dancing? Don’t go to a fucking Hatebreed show. Period.

    Retin: Oh really? Funny, I’ve been involved in hardcore for years now, and the following has happened to me due to lame-ass bodyslams:

    * getting my glasses knocked off and trampled
    * getting accidentally punched in the nose by skinny fucks in Children of Bodom hoodies
    * getting punched everywhere else due to all the intentionally random, uncontrolled arm-flailing
    * smelling like gross dreads

    Things that have happened to me in hardcore pits:

    * none of the above

  • DeathByMachete

    i really hate it when people do that when theyre at a metal show. i mean yea, i agreee with some of you that hes just dancing, to you guys, to me, hes being a complete idiot. first of all, who “dances” at a fuckin metal show. i know i dont. and if people really call that dancing, your mother didnt love you enough. a mash pit is a mash pit. not a fuckin, see who the first one is to propellar themselves into the air first. the dude is an idiot and i give props to the guy who tackled his panzy ass to the ground.

  • mtlhead

    haha fuck hardcore kids dont dance at metal shows unless you want to die.

  • deathbore

    @Gabriel: * getting my glasses knocked off and trampled

    Hmmmm, I wonder how you could solve this problem?

  • gnarlk

    the only thing more moronic than “hardcore dancing” is the act of retardation that is “head walking”. can’t wait until somebody’s neck is fucked up by some douchebag with hockey pucks in his ears and a madball jersey….

  • gnarlk

    btw: is the mutant that pushes ninja boy down wearing a backwards visor? jesus…

  • Tim

    BAHAHAHAHA!!!!! The slow-mo makes me die laughing every time (maybe it’s cause I’m drunk on a Wednesday night). I’m not even a big mosher at metal shows, but those karate kids sure as hell piss me off!

    @Gabriel: One of those assholes was karate-choppin’ and side-steppin’ at the same time and he hit my unsuspecting buddy in the face. My buddy is 6’4″ and weighs like 240 lbs. (not huge, but def. respectable). It was the last time that eleventeen-year-old even considered dancing in that pit.

    It seems like real mosh pits contain themselves, whereas these karate-choppers have no care about whether they’re hitting people in the pit or hitting people who are just trying to watch the show. It seems to piss a lot off people off. So quit it!

  • http://www.myspace.com/bminekime enemyofgod72

    There are always at least 3 or 4 total fucksticks in any moshpit. I’ve always found a well timed elbow to the throat chills them right the fuck out. This video doesn’t show the “victim’s” mosh pit douchery but I can only assume the blindside attack was warranted since every one seemed happy to see the little shit take the hit.

  • Tim

    BAHHAHAHHAHA!!! i die laughing at the slow-mo…. the dancing sucks. period. quit it.

  • Tim

    and to some of you…. we aren’t talking about fashion, we’re talking about tarded eleventeen-year-old karate-choppers. who cares where the kids get their clothes

  • crapmcpoopin

    While i think all types of moshing are stupid, i understand there is a code and it shall not be broken. This kid to me wasn’t bothering anyone, and I really think that alot of the time fat sweaty metal kids often target these dudes. The only problem with this is, many of these same fat sweaty metal kids go to a festival where their favorite band may be playing alongside a hardcore act who has a fervent following. This metal kid tries this same thing from the video there, and he finds himself in the hospital. Neither is right, and i think any one who specifically targets someone because they are doing something they (the attacker) doesnt like is pathetic. Frankly, all moshers are assholes and i want to go back in time and kick them in utero.

  • Kev

    This is the pinnacle of immaturity within a group of people who constantly show they’re childish nature. Fucking stupid metal elitists. That being said, Hardcore dancers look stupid and are rather annoying when I’m headbanging.

  • Gorestain

    FWAHAHA

    I pull this shit aaalll the time. Gotten me in a fair amount of conflict but when you see a kid doing that shit during Hate Eternal, you just have to.

  • j-rock

    It is what it is can’t stand the heat…. well there’s a bar that’ll be happy to serve you an 8 dollar jack and coke

  • http://hotmail j-rock

    And for what it’s worth that was a sucker punch

  • Lyndal

    Lol…i like the other videos of the emo’s and such. they are a rather amusing breed. The only thing that has happened to me is I was knocked out by a dude crowd surfing…yeah im weak. Only thing i hate is when really tall people stand right in front of me :(

  • Blackthorned

    I think there’s something sad about that – both parties look like fools. The braying pack egging it on is the third fool. Mock it and laugh at him – but I didn’t see karate kid actually hurting anyone there but who knows.

    I respect expression through dance anyway.

  • Rob

    I don’t know, I stopped moshing because I was tired of people punching me in the face as hard as they could and getting round house kicked in the ribs. So I’m kind of glad this kid got some shit thrown at him, because he was clearly getting in someone’s face and not “just dancing”.

    It used to be called slam-dancing for a reason, because you fucking run and slam into each other. It’s dancing for people who can’t dance wanting to move to music that you can’t dance to. When I first started going to shows, everyone slammed, some fists were thrown, but people who fell down got helped up and everything was done for fun, not as a contest to see who could hurt the most people around them. This new school hardcore shit is for people who are pussies so they can sucker punch people and feel tough.

    Also, crowd surfing is stupid as fuck. Especially if you’re doing it back-to-front. Have some respect (and/or brains), go to the front of the crowd and jump back, because nothing will get your ass thrown to the cold, cold concrete like too many people catching a motherfucking combat boot to the back of the head.

  • Robotscythe

    Moshing means nothing anymore. The Hot Topic wrist-cutters and frat-boy douchebags have co-opted it because “that’s just what they think you do at concerts”. Same with the horns. Two years ago I was at SHamrockfest in D.C. (a big Irish inspired concert festival for St. Patty’s Day). A friend of mine’ s cover band was playing. The started playing a Journey song and a fuckin’ pit broke out!! While I appreciate the irony of moshing during Journey, it was funny for like two-seconds. And it continued throughout the U2, AC/DC and Rolling Stones tunes they played.

    And who was it? The same drunken frat-boy douches and Hot Topic pussies I mentioned above. Nothing like taking a boot to the back of the head because some asshole is crowd-surfing during “Dont Stop Believing”. And these dicks didn’t even care that we were up there with our girlfriends, who clearly were not enjoying the spectacle. They had no respect that they didn’t want to be a part of it (and neither did us guys)..they started trying to suck them into the pit or life them up. So that’s when we started knocking these fuckers who weren’t listening faces into the dirt and any asswipe who made their way over to us crowd-surfing got a quick rap in the kidney, yanked down and we dumped their ass over the rail to security (who told us afterwards they were grateful for the help from us). There were also a couple roided out jock’s who were getting down in three-point stances and then just ram-rodding through the crowd, just trying to fuck people up.

    I’ve been in many a pit and I expect that shit when I go to see Slayer, you know? We wouldn’t have had our girls down there with us or even have been downin front at all if we didn’t want to be part if the pit in the firstplace. But this was a fucking cover band playing classic radio rock! Overall, I’m not big o moshing anyway. I’m there to see the band, not slam around with a bunch of other people. But like I said, I expect moshing at certain shows. But not this one and it was fucked up that it even happened the way it did. Fuckin’ idiots.

  • o0Stacey0o

    As Brian Posehn would say, “Dude, you look gaytarded”.

  • DannE

    I went to see Trivium, ATR, and 36 Crazyfists a couple of months ago. These little Mallcore Ninjas were everywhere. There is no signal for when they go into one of these “fits”. All the sudden these retarded spasms come on, and you have to start blocking the kicks and flailing arms. It’s like being in a gay rendition of the Karate Kid. My advice: Avoid all ages shows if possible, and don’t stand within striking distance of a kid with moppy hair and girly jeans.

  • o0Stacey0o

    @ DannE: You are so correct with keeping a watchful eye out on those dudes. Back in ’05 I was at a show and was flanking the pit just enjoying the music, the next thing I know some dick-knuckles started doing some sort of flip/ninja/Cirque Du Soliel shit and I was scissor kicked in the knee. Fractured my lateral tibia and chipped the patella. The least metal injury at a metal concert thus far. Who else has had lame metal show injuries??

  • Gabriel

    @deathbore: Note the phrasing: “due to”. I wasn’t even in the goddamn pit at the time and one of those drunk slammers hit me. Or should I just eschew vision altogether at shows?

    @Tim: So… you posted that just so you could seem tough? I’m not sure I’m getting your point. Some kid was dancing, accidentally hit your buddy and he laid into him? Real mature. So it’s okay when some hardcore kid is intentionally taken out by some mallgoth asshole with Hot Topic pants, and it’s okay being hit by a random bodyslam, but it’s not okay getting hit by accident, as long as it’s a hardcore kid? Right, I follow.

  • Johnny Death

    Overall, I say let kids be kids. You all know the risks involved when you step onto floor. Instead of bitching about it, how about just stepping back and let them have there fun. If you can’t take it, maybe you need to find a seat. I gave up on moshing about 4-5 years ago when i realised it’s retarded to have to miss work because you suffer an injury at a concert. I will still hit the floor for whoever is headlining, but i keep a safe distance from the action while still being close enough so if i see someone hurt I can help them out and get them to a safe place.

  • http://www.Myspace.com/inbetweenjobs SK

    R&B dancers dancin at shows!!!
    The next thing is some MTV “metal” dance show with a “soultrain” line dance at the end of the show.
    http://www.imeem.com/lanier2/video/GKbhH9eK/the_soul_train_line_1970s/

  • Nick

    At least pay attention to the video before lash out, most people clap after seeing this kid get leveled. He was obviously being an ass and probably deserved to get knocked out of the pit. Maybe you are one of these fucks who ruin shows for people and maybe don’t even realize it, nor realize how ridiculous theylook.

  • deathbore

    @Gabriel: Or should I just eschew vision altogether at shows?

    I hear there is this new invention for people with bad eyesight who don’t want to be bothered with cumbersome eyeglasses. I think they’re called “contacts,” or something like that. You might look into ‘em. Could be useful in the pit.

  • Gabriel

    @deathbore: (At the risk of opening myself up for further ridicule:) vegan contact lenses (all of which are animal tested) = no.

    And I reiterate again, since you seemed to so conveniently miss it the first time around: the time when I did get my glasses knocked off, I wasn’t even in the pit, and I still got bumped by some drunk ass bodyslamming.

  • Tim

    @Gabriel: Fashion aside (because I listen to metal, but dress like any regular joe, so I don’t see what clothing has to do with this), the point of my story is that mosh pits are for moshing, not karate dancing. These karate kids piss a lot of people off. If I was trying to sound like a tough guy I would have said I was the one that was hit and that I was the one that laid him out. So, I was merely telling you a story about something I saw and thought was funny. Nice try with the personal attack though.

    Back to the topic at hand: The karate kids have no regard for what is surrounding them, they flail their arms as fast as possible, while not looking, hitting anything within reach. Whereas moshers are pushing each other around. And for the most part, moshers pay attention to who they’re pushing, keeping it in the pit.

    You push people around and get pushed around in a pit. You don’t dance around swinging your fists as fast as possible.

    and Gabriel I’m sorry, but a body slam consists of lifting a person over your head and slamming them to the ground…. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that happen in a pit.

    I, personally, am there for the show first and foremost, but occasionally like to jump in and a lot of my friends spend most of their time in the pit which is why the karate dancers make us angry. So if you don’t want to be bothered with being pushed around Gabriel, then stay away from pits.

  • crapmcpoopin

    Tim, Gabriel…. both you dudes are totally gay. Gabriel, you are gay for hardcore “dancing”, and Tim you are gay for slamming into other dudes. Let’s be honest here… there’s nothing more homoerotic than a couple of guys slamming into each other, or a couple of dudes doing spinkicks and peorets in a close proximity to each other.

    You guys should just agree to disagree and blow each other. Thanks for playing.

  • Gabriel

    @crapmcpoopin: I am down with sloppy blowjobs! Uh, I mean…

    @Tim: Yeah, and I say the same about slamdancing (oh noez, I got my terminology mixed up). It’s still amusing that you claim that hardcore dancers are just there to hit people, when hitting each other is the entire point of slamdancing. In fact, I’d go so far as to say that good hardcore dancing involves at the very least some basic hand-eye coordination, whereas just jumping into people (especially when that’s the whole point) doesn’t.

    I don’t take anything in the pit personally unless I know I’m being attacked on purpose. What’s your excuse?