Comments on: JOB FOR A COWBOY, ALL SHALL PERISH, ANIMOSITY, ANNOTATIONS OF AN AUTOPSY: BANDS THAT TOTALLY AREN’T DEATHCORE PLAY A DEATHCORE SHOW IN RHODE ISLAND

By: Joe

Joe — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 05:46:19 +0000

It’s a real bad time in metal when the only watchable band is Hate Eternal.

By: Guy

Guy — Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:22:02 +0000

DEATHCORE FUCKING SUCKS! This stupid scene bullshit music needs to be put to rest. When i go to a show, i go to have fun and see a band play. Now i ask.. how can i do that with some idiot dickwad swinging his shit all over the place and representing his clique. I dont go to fight some a bunch of retarded scene kids. SUPPORT DEATHMETAL!!!!

You will all grow out of this eventually..

By: Sparisi1122

Sparisi1122 — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:42:15 +0000

I like deathcore, but some bands are just fucking bland and all about breakdowns. A good example of this would be Suicide Silence.

Suicide Silence and many deathcore bands rely too heavily on the breakdowns and nothing else.

One of the greatest death metal songs of all time “Hammer Smashed Face” has one breakdown. So I don’t see why a lot of deathcore bands think they’ll somehow be better with 5 breakdowns a song.

By: Hooloovooloo

Hooloovooloo — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:59:57 +0000

Ok, I’m 17, my favorite bands are NILE, Hate Eternal, Origin, Psycroptic, Cryptopsy, Decapitated, Aeon and Behemoth. But I still like JFAC. When I first listened to Genesis, I didn’t even know there was such a thing as Deathcore. And I just thought: This is some nice Death Metal. I don’t see how Genesis was ever Deathcore as it features no breakdowns, no hardcore screaming, no weird tempo changes, no pig squeals. I can see how Doom fits into the category, but not Genesis.
I think there are alot of really shitty Deathcore bands, but at the same time there are lots of shitty Death Metal and Thrash bands as well. I think the term Deathcore is rather pointless, as, at least these days, it’s just used as a term to denounce a band, rather than actually specifying a genre. I doubt Deathcore will be remembered a long time from now, but I definitely think that some of these bands have really managed to bring something fresh to the otherwise stagnating Death Metal scene. I’m not saying these bands invented it – older stuff like Dying Fetus and Cryptopsy did – but they manage to incorporate it into a new sound environment, and it has (in my opinion) a positive effect on the general scene.
There are way too many elitist idiots these days who are denouncing bands as being Deathcore, just to be “cool”, to go along with the flow, or to make up for personal shortcomings in their own little crusade to be liked. It’s pointless, but alas, it has always existed – these days it’s Deathcore, some time ago it was metalcore/nu-metal whatever. When Death Metal emerged from Thrash it also got a lot shit from the Thrashers (or so I’m told).

Either way I think there’s one thing we can all agree on. The stupid hardcore kids need to stop coming to the Metal concerts. Hardcore dancing and stupid stage-diving does not belong at a Metal show, and it never has.

By: Seth

Seth — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:08:45 +0000

Yes, and they are from England (strong point to lead with). You know who else is from England, another shitty band named…oh its coming…Bullet For My Valentine (well, actually they are from Wales, but most Americans don’t know the difference anyway).

In any case, by attacking my statement clearly you missed my pt. It’s not about AOAA in particular, it’s about creativity and not just copying the stuff thats already out there. I dont care about subgenre’s, im just saying that its very difficult for a band that isn’t pioneering anything to become popular because its hard to distinguish yourself. I dont think AOAA will ever make it past a medium-level because they aren’t anything more than a better-than-average death metal band.

By: A Dark In The Light

A Dark In The Light — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:50:41 +0000

Just because they are liked doesn’t mean they add anything new to the landscape.

By: mike

mike — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 06:43:00 +0000

”Those bands, like Annotations of an Autopsy, are opening bands, and will stay opening bands because they have nothing new to add to the landscape”

what a stupid statement, theyre from england, have been together 2 years and have managed to get asked to join one of the biggest metal tours this year in the us in that short amount of time because people like them.

deathcore isnt a genre, its a scapegoat people use when they dont want to be connected with something popular, they call a band by a stupid subgenre so they arent connected to ‘death metal’ because heaven forbid the music they like becomes popular, if aoaa or animosity came out 5 years ago theyd just be called death metal.

By: Carl

Carl — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:55:11 +0000

Im 22 years old and there is no genre of metal that i do not listen to, from Norwegian Black metal, to yes hardcore (uh oh scene kid alert).

I love Job for a Cowboy.

They have been nothing but trend setters, not followers, because they aspire to do things differently, and should not be held accountable for copy cat bands.

They have never called themselves a “deathcore” band NOR have they called themselves a “Technical death metal band”.

They label themselves as progressive death metal, and you know what? I agree with that because being progressive is utilizing influences outside the main genre you are writing for. For example, OPETH, uses influences from folk music, the blues, classical, etc. but tie it all into a death metal masterpeice.

They are an intense band live with a unique take on metal in general and its only too bad that their rise to fame for being different has crutched them with such hostility. If you dont like the band, then fine, they aren’t for everyone, but its just sad to see people purposely taking the time out of their lives just to shit talk guys who obviously work hard for a living.

By: OneRodeToAsaBay

OneRodeToAsaBay — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 23:56:25 +0000

@Seth
Frankly, I don’t think deathcore will become a definitive mark of my generation (people my age and /- 5 years). When thrash bands were multiplying like rabbits, things like glam metal were extremely and far more commercially popular–as far as I’ve noticed, most people who are knowledgeable about metal don’t consider glam a definitive mark of their generation. Similarly, deathcore is the glam of my generation. There are tons of bands in every genre of metal that are mediocre or copies of each other but right now deathcore seems to be most commercially popular. Years down the line when I’m growing grey and suffering menopause related hot flashes, I think my peers will agree that deathcore was a passing trend and that other bands were a better definitive mark of what they brought to metal. Perhaps one day deathcore will have a retro appeal, but I doubt it will be ever be widely considered a progression or improvement on metal. Frankly, I think Sammy O’Hagar is wrong.
Anyway, I didn’t take what you said personally. I just wanted to point out that even amongst us younger folk, some of us dig deeper than the current commercially acclaimed trend and base our tastes on very individualist standards.

@Robbie
Cheers. I agree this isn’t an elitism argument–it’s about standards. Deathcore does not meet the musical standards I set so I don’t listen to it. Simple.

By: Seth

Seth — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:37:45 +0000

@OneRodeToAsaBay

Just as is the case with any argument, I am speaking in generalities and speaking to trends/majorities. It would be assanine for me to say that no metal fan under the age of 20 has long hair and prefers headbanging to moshing. Point is, the majority of under 20 metal fans are into the newer age of metal — metalcore, deathcore, grindcore, etc — and tend to wear clothing that those bands wear (tight bands, tight tee shirts, floppy hair, etc). This is because it is people around that age that tend to be making that type of music. You will rarely find a 35-year-old in a DeathCore band, just doesn’t happen.

It seems that all of these deathcore copy bands are coming from 17-year-olds in their basement saying “I want to play that type of music cuz I think its cool.” There is NOTHING different about this than when loads of 17-year-olds in their basement made X amount of Metallica copy bands when they were blowing up and making amazing thrash records.

I think the core of this entire argument is whether or not these Deathcore bands that kids are copying will make a lasting impression on the foundation and progression of metal (like Metallica has), or are just a passing trend. Sammy O’Hagar is saying its here to stay, and many of you on this post seem to take issue with that. Me, i’m not really sure, but I also don’t really care.

By: Robbie

Robbie — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:28:03 +0000

I second OneRodeToAsaBay comment.

I’m 23, and though enjoy a lot of newer music, my main interests are in genres and bands from ten, fifteen, twenty years ago. I’m a thrash fanatic, love old-school and technical death metal, and though I saw Job For a Cowboy get started, and knew some of the founding members who are no longer with the band (and came up with that stupid, stupid name), have hated them from the very beginning. It has nothing to do with being an elitist. I know what types of metal I like, and Deathcore is NOT one the type of “metal” I like.

By: OneRodeToAsaBay

OneRodeToAsaBay — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:38:40 +0000

In response to Seth’s statement that the younger generation is all floppy hair and tight pants, I beg to differ. Quite a number of us younger fans (I’m 19) have something resembling a spine when it comes to fashion taste and prefer to headbang at shows.

By: A Dark In The Light

A Dark In The Light — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:35:36 +0000

Kev:

A) I’m 24.
B) I love masturbating in my mom’s basement. Please don’t ruin that for me.
C) Nobody ever said that every band is that way. In fact, I referenced Cannibal Corpse specifically for the purpose of defending bands like ASP and describing why metal elitism is lame. I think you, uh, kinda came into the convo a little late there, and didn’t really say anything that groundbreaking.

- Mike

By: Lyndal

Lyndal — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:46:33 +0000

I think everyone is forgetting a very important point….PCU is an awesome movie

By: j-rock

j-rock — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:47:21 +0000

Damn, we should all get into politics at this point.

By: Kev

Kev — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:17:57 +0000

Jesus…
Why do metalheads have to be such elitists?
Yeah, there are some bands that ARE deathcore, they write deathcore, they play deathcore, they are deathcore, but as far as I can see JFAC isn’t one of them. ASP isn’t really either, although they have some what more hardcore influence then the other. But really, just because a genre is being used and abused and full of musical gimmicks doesn’t mean every band is that way, just because you old metal fucks say it is. Things change and you have to accept that the young generation generally don’t give a fuck about old shit. Even if there are some of us who do. The older guys than you hate your music and say the same shit about it as you say about todays metal so get over it, blow the dust off of your Cannibal Corpse bullshit albums and go masturbate in your moms basement.

By: Seth

Seth — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:05:02 +0000

@ADIL

I never said youngsters today invented moshing, merely that they love it. That being said, it is more prevalent today (with hardcore, punk, basically every kind of metal…even mainstream rock sometimes) than it was during BB’s time (hardcore, some punk…). Moshing is more mainstream now than it ever has been (see kids moshing during song breaks). This is the environment today’s teenagers are used to.

By: Franco

Franco — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:32:24 +0000

I think people need to get away from the idea that every deathcore band sucks. I’m 17, so supposedly i should be a scene fag, but i, like many of my friends, would rather listen to deicide and behemoth than crap like salt the wound for example. i love listening to any kind of metal as long as it is good, i dont judge it negatively by its genre (with the exception of anything christian). my point is that even if all shall perish, aoaa, and jfac are deathcore, they are still very talented bands that make great music.

i do agree that there is a lot of deathcore, like anything ending in “core” that is regurgitated crap, but there are deathcore bands that deserve plenty of respect, like all shall perish.

i was at that show in providence, i was up directly in the front the entire time, headbanging, but it seemed to me that the croud went way crazier to all shall perish than jfac. whether or not you want to shit on those bands because they are deathcore, that show was fucking undescribably vicious.

By: Rohit

Rohit — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:05:10 +0000

@ A dark in the light

HOLY SHIT I didn’t think that people actually remembered Bad Brains especially after seeing people rave over Annotations and bands like Emmure.

That’s the thing with fads, they take from the older bands and “re-create” it claiming it for themselves. And the fad followers believe in that.

By: A Dark In The Light

A Dark In The Light — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:15:25 +0000

I can stand behind everything you said there Seth, except the notion that the kids are the ones all about moshing…c’mon, that credit belongs to Bad Brains and other early hardcore bands, or AT LEAST to the thrashers.