IN WHICH WE SHUT DOWN GITMO
Friday, January 23rd, 2009 at 6:41pm by Vince NeilsteinFinally… we have a capable, intelligent, forward-thinking new U.S. president. No, it’s not Dave Mustaine. Here’s what else happened this week:
- We wondered aloud and speculated about Slayer’s co-headline tour, New England Metal & Hardcore Fest, Scion Rock Fest (aka Atlanta Metalfest), and The Faceless’ headline tour. This spring just got awesome.
- We ran to the hills to avoid a shitty classic metal cover. Meanwhile, we found Iron Maiden in Iran and on the big screen.
- We got sexi(vious) with members of Cynic and Textures.
- We looked at new releases from Satyricon, Cattle Decapitation, 16 and Rumpelstiltskin Grinder.
- Maynard got all Jiu-Jitsu on our asses and Carcass played a wedding.
Axl, myself and our girlfriends (we have girlfriends… whowouldathunkit???) are going to see The Dark Knight on the IMAX tonight. Hopefully weed will be involved. Later, suckaz!!
Is your headline implying that this is a good thing???
http://cbs2.com/national/guantanamo.bay.detainee.2.915826.html
here is what is going to happen over and over again now.
Now how bout some Nebula for the Saturday Song To Get Stoned To?
Yes it is a good thing, sad that retards still respond to fear mongering and are pro torture.
Hit, most of the prisoners won’t know what the hell to do with themselves. For the last 7 years they have had free food and medical and the ones that haven’t been tortured have been spoiled rotten. It’s going to be torture for them to go back to wherever the hell they came from.
I think they should have brainwashed them like A Clockwork Orange, so that whenever they think of a violent or terrorist act…they shit themselves.
“Yes it is a good thing, sad that retards still respond to fear mongering and are pro torture.”
Its also sad that retards think all the world needs to be a rosey fun place were everybody gets to feel good all the time and nothing bad happens. This world is not a nice place and sometimes the things that need to be done to keep it somewhat liveable and civalized are not nice and dont present a pretty picture. Apparently its not ok to lock these guys up or blare heavy metal western civilization music at them and scare them but it is ok to turn them loose back to their savage ass countries and let them get back to kid napping,torturing,blowing people up with crude bombs and cutting peoples heads off which is exactly what these people will go back to doing, there are already examples. If i am a fear mongering retard for thinking this way then just go ahead and start calling me Corky and i will answer to it. Does it suck that things have to be done in harsh manners? yes it does but you arent dealing with people that respond to roses and holliday candies and thank you cards.
censorship rules
“Apparently its not ok to lock these guys up or blare heavy metal western civilization music at them and scare them but it is ok to turn them loose back to their savage ass countries and let them get back to kid napping,torturing,blowing people up with crude bombs and cutting peoples heads off which is exactly what these people will go back to doing, there are already examples”
you, sir, are staggeringly ignorant. that or you belong in said “savage ass country”. the end never justifies the means, and saying that its ok to torture someone because they come from a country where human life is cheaper than it is here is beyond the pale. its lazy thinking, and i think we’d all appreciate it if youd stop spreading it around.
You people are idiots. Obama’s act doesn’t mean these people will be sent back to their countries or let to roam free. It means (most likely) that they’ll be tried in either a U.S. criminal court or a U.S. military court, instead of being tortured and denied their rights to a fair trial. In all likelihood many will be found guilty and locked away, and those that are innocent (of which many surely are) will rightfully be let go.
“you, sir, are staggeringly ignorant. that or you belong in said “savage ass country”. the end never justifies the means, and saying that its ok to torture someone because they come from a country where human life is cheaper than it is here is beyond the pale. its lazy thinking, and i think we’d all appreciate it if youd stop spreading it around.”
You sir are staggeringly ignorant in your gross mis interpretation of what i wrote just to prove your own point. Point out anywhere in what i wrote that says its cool to torture them because of where they come from, point out anywhere that i said its cool at all to torture anyone for any reason.But I also dont necessarily think its cool for people to spend years in prison for felony theft charges but its ok to turn loose hundreds of “suspected” terrorist that are going to go right back to being “suspected” terrorists in their countries where in fact life is cheaper than it is here and want to bring their value for life over here and keep spreading it around over there. The fact is, most of these people didnt end up in detention becuase they were hanging out on the street corner one day flipping a coing and chewing gum and being real great guys.If someone has to toss a little water on one of these guys faces to keep someone I know or anyone else knows from getting crushed to death and burnt up in a collapsing bombed out building that one of these guys comes over and sets off or it keeps the next reporter from getting kid napped and getting their head chopped off with a big ass hunting knife then so be it. Do i think it will be cool? not really but if it helps to stop any further damage then so be it.I dont like the state things are in any better than anyone and i hate that things are and have to be done a certain way, but this is the world we live in now. And as far as my “lazy” thinking that you want me to stop spreading around…that in its self is just plain lazy and ignorant. Wanting someone to shut up becuase you dont like what their opinions are is lazy to me, it implies that you are to lazy to have intelligent debate and get your own points across. If you dont like what I think, skip over and dont read it. Its that simple.
If most of the inmates in Gitmo are innocent then I’m a monkey’s uncle. Vince is correct but a tad naive to think that most of the people in that hellhole are completely innocent of any wrongdoing. Then again, if Bush’s reign was really that tyrannical than I suppose we might as well go ahead and put his head on a pike.
denied their rights to a fair trial?, they are not US citizens they are enemy combatants, but should have our rights to fair trial? if it were US troops in those other countries that were being help prisoner do you think they would get a fair trial? NO they would be beheaded or stoned to death and dragged thru the streets. I am by no means a right wing nut job, but you libs have got it all wrong, the world will not like you if your nice to them. in all actuality it needs to stay in military courts since it is a military issue. which is scary cause the commander in chief is a ….
damnit why do I do this arguing with a lib is like clapping with one hand
If we truly believe in what The United States of America stands for, we won’t be so quick to deny others the rights we say are so important to us as a country. How can we hold ourselves up as an example if we only follow our rules when we want. “Do as I say not as I do.” doesn’t work for parents or countries.
To Quote Benjamin Franklin: “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Gitmo has alot of illegal things that were happenings and Cuba doesnt want us there. The world is not our (USA) playing field. We werent even suppose to use the area for a prison. I think their was also some news story about how under some old treaty that we arent allowed to use the base as a prison but we still do.
I dont know all that much about it but I know that I believe in Human Rights and I believe that you can’t make peace by doing the opposite, no matter what.
It’s best for the world if we close it down. And yes…the “prisoners” will still be tried. They wont just be set free.
Wait, They still Got The Dark Knight playing in Imax?
@ceth
that was an awfully long post to have not really said anything. my point was that if we dont hold everyone to the same standards that we supposedly have then whats the difference between us? you can tell me all day long that its ok for us to break the rules cause were the good guys and theyll go back and do more of the same, but until we know for sure they did something that point is moot. you want to be the good guys you have to act accordingly. that includes fair trial and not torturing people, however inconvenient those things may be. the reason these people are willing to do the things they do is because we’ve been doing the same things over there in a much more underhanded way, and desperate people do desperate things. its like the bully that goes running to the teacher when the nerd has finally had enough and hits him in the back of the head with a baseball bat. should the nerd have done it? no way. could the bully have prevented it by not being an asshole? of course. and give me a break with the wanting you to shut up cause i dont agree with you. if you had any logic to stand on id defend your right to have an opinion all day, i disagree with people all the time and enjoy the debate. all you basically said was that two wrongs make a right. that kind of thinking spread like a damn virus during the bush administration and id like to see it end.
@Vince Neilstein:
You are right in that the closing of Gitmo does not mean we will let all the captives, innocent or guilty, go back to their respective countries to wreck havoc on the world. Many will be tried and found guilty (or innocent) of charges and punished or liberated accordingly.
Obama is smart to close Gitmo. He realizes how negative of a symbol that place is to the US and the rest of the world. Closing Gitmo doesn’t mean that everyone will suddenly be let free or convicted. Other countries, Ireland and France for example, have offered to take prisoners that we do not have enough evidence to convict in a US Court, but are deemed to be too much of a risk to release at this time.
Frankly, his plan seems to be the best of both worlds. Closing that shit hole, moving forward with trials, and sending the real crazy fuckers to other prisons for the time being sounds like a good plan for now.
And now, back in there real world…
How about the fact that a bunch of these assholes are going to end up in prisons on US soil. The same prisons with a high rate of conversion to… yes… that’s right… radical Islamic beliefs. “Oh, what’s that, you killed someone? Well guess what, Allah says it’s ok as long as it’s jihad. I’m sure that it was. Oh and you there. Allah says what you did was ok too. Oh, you’re going to be released in a month? Go talk to the man at this address, he’ll give you some work… blowing people up”
I’m fine with them getting whatever legal rights they are allowed(note: this does not include US civilian trials in many cases, as much as some of you may like to think) I just don’t want to throw out the baby with the bath water.
You people can sit there with fairy dust and unicorn horns up your asses all you want. Fact of the matter is there are some serious concerns about how Obama is going to handle the “war on terror” and you’re fucking blind if you want to ignore that. I’m hoping for the best, I really am, but he hasn’t inspired much confidence with anything he’s done or said so far. I’d really just rather not get blown up next time I’m eating a fucking slice of pizza at the mall food court. If you fuckers think that’s fear mongering, so be it. Just remember 10 yrs ago you would have called someone a fear monger who said that terrorists could fly fucking planes into US buildings.
Also on the subject of fear mongering. That term gets thrown around constantly by the left. Here’s a question, how many of you got wire tapped and renditioned when the patriot act went into effect? How many of you felt any change whatsoever to your rights because of Bush’s policies? Do I hear crickets? There’s fear mongers on both sides. It’s asinine to deny that. Bush was in office for 8 yrs and despite what some drama queens may want to believe, we didn’t come anywhere near Orwell territory. Sure, Bush was a moron, the country is pretty fucked right now, and who knows what’s going to happen next. But FUCK OFF with that fucking overused term ya bunch of cunts.
Vince…they do not have the rights to a fair trial. They are not citizens or residents of America. They are prisoners that have been taken in under special rules that grant them no rights. And before you go and say it must be bush that invented that, the classification was actually started by your beloved FDR.
You, sir, are an idiot.