FAILED EXPERIMENTS IN HUMAN CREATIVITY: THE INSANE CLOWN POSSE EDITION
Monday, February 2nd, 2009 at 10:00am by Vince NeilsteinReaders of this site with a fine attention to detail know that I’m actually not a lifelong New Yorker; during those fuzzy, booze and weed-drenched years known as “college” I moved out to the wilds of Detroit, Michigan. Well, Ann Arbor… but everyone who lives within 100 miles of the place (hello, Kid Rock!) says they’re from Detroit, so fuck it. I did spend plenty of time in the city proper though and actually grew to quite like Detroit in all its abandoned glory. But among the city’s least endearing aspects was its penchant for terrible, terrible music (see above), and at the absolute bottom of the already-despicable totem pole of shit bands were the putrid shitstains known as Insane Clown Posse. People in Detroit fucking LOVE this band unconditionally. People with otherwise perfectly respectable, nay, GOOD taste in music pledge allegiance to the Juggalo nation and wear the hatchet around their neck.
Let’s take a look into the heart of the Juggalo, shall we?
Where to start. How about a grade-A example of an awful ICP song?
The intelligence of a Juggalo on display:
A “fuck you” to Jugallo-haters:
And finally, if only Violent J (his mama calls him Joseph Bruce) and Shaggy 2 Dope (Joseph Utsler) knew they’d inspired this, maybe they’d quit making music:
-VN
Quit making music? I don’t know if anything they’ve made ever really qualified as music.
There’s a lot of Juggalos in Toledo, too… they’re usually the kids who rode the short bus to school or had a mustache in sixth grade from being held back.
ahahaha how can we take these people seriously.
I’d love to see these fuckers go to a BLS, Slayer, or Deicide show and see if they even walked out.
Fuck this band. I love in Northern Ontario, Canada – and kids up here parade around saying Juggalo love and shit like that. This shit is just as worse as every second person who claims to be into metal dying their hair black and buying a Slipknot tee that’s too big for them. Fuck ICP, Fuck Juggalos, Fuck the hatchet, fuck clowns in popular culture, fuck loreal black hair dye, fuck you, fuck me, fuck us.
Fuckin’ clowns.
well fuck you too! i can wear what i want, listen to what i want, do whatever the fuck i want bitch, and nothing you say is going to change shit. so suck a dick and have a good weekend(:
HAHAHA… did you seriously just retort to something posted in February? Did it actually take you 6 months to come up with a response?
This is disgusting.period.
That ICP song you posted isn’t even theirs, it’s a cover. And I found that out because I actually thought it was half-way decent. When I investigated further I shouldn’t have been surprised it was someone else’s since it had a hint of actual song structure in it.
Those two douchebags used to be on Howard Stern all the time. And there isn’t a better example of why we should bring back forced sterilization than those two morons.
ICP fans are unique mix of goth/wigger/redneck, at least here in VA. And it actually makes me sad when I see someone who is reasonably intelligent that an ICP fan. The guy at the counter of the place I get my car worked on is actually a really cool, bright guy. But he has that damned hatchet man aroun dhis neck and a big vinyl sticker of the same on his back windshield. I don’t usually judge people by their musical taste, but when it comes to ICP, it always makes me pause and say, “WTF???? You seemed so much smarter than that!!”
Fuck ICP for inspiring really stupid white trash to come together with other stupid white trash.
I think everyone here would agree that we all hate ICP and their fans.
Maybe if you ignore them, they will go away.
The third video was my favourite.
I don’t have shit to say, apparently.
They’re the same way one state down in NC, RobotScythe.
I have a nephew in upstate NY that likes ICP. It’s the “In” thing at his high school. I went to the same high school about 17 years ago and there was only one “wegro” (That’s the politically correct way to say it). It was an all white high school with a few kids of mixed race, but everyone looked up to this dude that was wearing his pants below his ass and his hat backwards and tilted forward so that the adjustable band was damn near over his eyes. I fuckin’ hated that dude because he was such a douche. I left that high school to go to a much bigger, diverse school a year later because I couldn’t stand it there. I can only imagine the caliber of the trendy kids in the school now.
Just as I suspected. ICP=BS
The shitty bands are compensation for the awesomeness of the Detroit Red Wings.
Actually, I believe Sauron is from Detroit (or at least Michigan), and they kick ass.
Also, I’ve never known anyone who likes ICP in a way other than the “so bad it’s good” sort of way. Personally, I never even got enjoyment out of them that way.
WRATH HAS LEAKED!!! :D
http://www.mediafire.com/?1zhzxmh0jjj
First time i’v ever seen you all agree across the board.
ICP sucks ass. ICP fans are mostly dicks. No matter where you go, ICP fans are always assholes LOL.
WHO GOIN CHICKEN HUNTIN!? GAY.
Idea bubble.
1. Go to ICP concert.
2. Plant napalm and cameras streaming live footage to a website.
3. Leave concert.
4. Grab pretzels, Twix, and Pepsi (or beer and pretzels, whatever). Log in to aforementioned site and start watching.
5. Detonate napalm.
6. ????
7. Profit.
I admit that I liked ICP when I was… 12-3 years old, but after finding out about juggalos, I got out of that shit fast.
I’d rather listen to Weird Al than that crap.
They do have good beats though
You know you suck when even eminem ripped on you.
The phrase “awful ICP song” is incorrect on two levels. One, it’s redundant to call ICP awful. Second, it’s just plain incorrect to refer to anything recorded by ICP as a “song”. If you’re not Slipknot (and maybe even if you ARE Slipknot), lose the masks and try to do it w/out the gimmick. We all know why that won’t happen, though. Without the gimmick, what are all these jokers (pardon the pun) left with?
1. Sauron is from East Lansing, MI, and yes they do rule.
2. There are still Juggaloes? I thought that dies around the same time as the dot com boom, say around 2001. They must be like some endangered species by now.
3. ICP once co-headlined a show with Gwar, which may explain a few things. Some Faygo to rinse off the detrius from Oderus Orungus’ shit cannon.
4. It is easy to hate the Juggalo, but really aren’t these screamo bands far more despicable scum?
http://metalinquisition.blogspot.com/2009/01/screamo-crunk-cultural-primer.html
Yes, I’d rather deal with ICP and Juggalos than hipsters who listen to Iron Maiden thanks to a song called Teenage Dirtbag any day of the week.
lol at the Wrath has leaked.
I live rite outside Detroit so this is something ive have had to battle my whole life. Try going to 7/11 to buy a bottle of Rock N’ Rye and you walk in and see a gang of Juggalos taking arms of faygo…. then waking up to see that thoes dicks are probley just going to go spray it al over each other, and have taken all of the good flavors…. its things like ICP that me me understand why people dont like Detroit…
Being a native to the Detroit area, I too, have to see these fuck sticks everywhere I go. They are like an awful plague. They wander the local trailor parks and smoke an abundance of weed, only to end up at a National Coney Island or Denny’s, ruining the meals of the drunken people around them. I once had to work an ICP show in Philly, and I can say that it was the single worst thing I have ever had to experience in my life. I hope them and their fans die in a fire. Happy Monday.
I can’t help but think of this: http://streetbonersandtvcarnage.com/blog/juggalo-beefs/
Just felt compelled once again to say how much I hate this group and their fans. I second
the above post about them all dying in a fire.
You know what amuses me more though? The fact that most ICP-hate articles show no real depth of knowledge upon the group themselves. Then I scroll down and read the numerous comments sprawling with obscenities and lame criticisms.
Just to be clear
1. I listen to ICP; seldom, granted, but I do find their music enjoyable. It’s fun and although there is a lot of trash to their repertoire, they at least entertain me from time to time.
2. I don’t however, claim to be a Juggalo. To be quite honest, I dislike most and have always found myself to cringe whenever in such a community- thankfully I live in the UK and such gatherings are extremely limited (not that I’d partake in one).
3. To respond to some posts directly; I do listen to Slayer, Deicide, Athiest, Death, What Else… moreso than ICP- but I listen to both. I wonder how much traditional rap in the broadest sense that most Metalheads listen to though? I doubt ICP is a rarity in that regard.
I’ve been a long time reader of Metalsucks and while I often have some reservations about the quality of the material on here, I can at least agree on many of the reviews posted. So yeah, usually I’d just let little disagreeable articles slip by- but I want to make clear that not all ICP fans are dolts. I’m currently doing a degree, and rather than spend my free-time smoking substance like yourself (and I assume, many of the quick-fingered idiots who responded to this in their ignorance) I read Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Tolstoy; listen to Coltrane, Tchaikovsky, Floyd- whatever, I don’t WANT to sound like a pompous cock, but such broad generalizations which in turn demean me, call me to do so.
Of course, I can accept that ICP certainly won’t be enjoyed by most, but I just want to make clear that their music isn’t merely subjugated to being consumed by the stereotype ‘Juggalo’.
“Im not a thug, I’ve never been a thug, thats not me”
- The guy in the second video”
“What the fuck ya know?….I thought juggalos were suppose to have each others back.
Be Done, ya know
“Rep the hatchet”
hahahaha
I HATE making fun of people but come on, thats hilarious.
ICP sure does make some terrible music, but you’ve gotta’ hand it to those guys for making something out of less than nothing.
Stranglemania is hilarious, though.
@Jamie: You are proof that one’s taste in any art form transcends one’s intelligence and vice versa. intelligence does not dictate taste and taste does not dictate intelligence. Taste is just that: subjective. It is easy for us (me included) to come on here and just bag on something we dislike. Or to pile on when others are trashing something. Good post, Jamie.
That said, some groups just happen to attract a larger audience of dolts and fools. ICP is likely one of those. But by the same token, I’ve been to a zillion rock shows over the years, and every artist attracts idiots.
ICP is simple music for simple people.
i feel the same about icp as i feel about bands like avenged sevenfold and disturbed and trivium and whatnot…sure their music is pretty fucking terrible, but the thing i hate the most about them is not the music…but the people who worship it…i think icp fans are actually alot dumber than fans of most bands just because it’s a culture completely based on white trash behavior. sure thrash and death metal are cultures based on unacceptable behavior like getting drunk and breaking stuff in order to vent frustration but when you listen to a group and all you can think about is smoking lots of weed in a trailer park and drinking faygo and listening to music that’s incredibly ignorant…this must be put to an end.
also, you have got to hand it to icp though, it takes balls to make shitty music that’s fully gimmick based and manage to sell millions and millions and millions of albums and make millions of money off of merch and concerts…after all the dregs of society have to enjoy something don’t they?
hahaha. yeah. ICP sucks.
It’s going to take about 24 hours for the juggalos to find this thread and start talking trash. it’s going to be great.
Well, the internet at work here won’t display the videos, but since we’re on the topic of MI bands, are we forgetting about Incisor? They got some face time in a post up on here. And although they’re not metal and more “emo,” La Dispute make some pretty original music. There’s also that band that puts out the same album 3 times and everybody loves it, the Black Dahlia Murder. I guess MI is good for something?
One fucked up thing about ICP is that they get suburban pre teens and teens to get together and think they’re all in a fuckin gang. Even to the point where they throw up gang signs. My nephew does this, and he carries around a blue rag like he’s some big fuckin gangster. Little does he know that in a lot of places(especially California), if you walk around in the wrong area with the wrong colored rag, you’re likely to get fucked up in some way, shape, or form. I think that’s something that a lot of kids don’t take as seriously as they should, as they may very well end up dead, all because they’re a bunch of posers who need something to associate themselves with so desperately that they act like complete fucking fools.
@ RobotScythe-
goths/wiggers/and redneck juggalos??? sounds like the juggalos in Idaho aren’t a bit different from their East Coast counterparts…
Dude i fucking go to school in Michigan. I only live like 20 minutes away from ann arbor. We got a bunch of fucking juggalos running around all over the place. its ridiculous man
@Jamie:
I think it’s a bit funny that you run in, proceed to call just about anyone who wrote anything regarding the article pothead morons, go on to list your pedigree, and try to come off like you’re really not trying to be a prick, you’re just trying to state your position.
You completely failed to do anything other than show not all ICP fans are American white trash.
I have a degree, too – structural engineering – and I have Proust, Herbert, Hugo, O’Brian, Tolkien, and Gould on my bookshelves, and that’s not counting the hundreds (yes, literally hundreds, not just bullshit hyperbole) of other books by countless authors that are there too. I have 200gb of music, and only about 60 of it is metal – everything else ranges from Scottish drum and pipe folk music to Gaelic songs, Mahler, Stravinsky, Andy McKee, Count Basie, Daft Punk, DMB, Conjure One, Enigma…..that enough yet?
Here’s my point. You bitch about being stuck in a group comprised mainly of shitheads because you listen to a band, then you hop in here and do the exact same to other people. Just because I don’t like ICP – and make a post about it – doesn’t mean I’m some dumbass pothead floorsweeper at McDonalds (that would be your token ICP fan, actually). If you hate generalisations so much, maybe you should try to avoid using them when trying to refute the statements of others.
aw, come on. let the kids have their music and be happy.
honestly, the cut downs posted here are mostly so lame i can’t even take you more seriously than the kids in the last video..
Let ICP have their 12-15 year olds.
Ok, so maybe not everyone who listens to ICP is a complete waste of space, but those who create the ICP stereotype… well, are. It’s the stereotype that people hate about them. It’s kinda moronic, and in a sense no different then wearing Norwegian corpse paint, or really liking Kiss. All have their varying degrees however.
I worked with a kid who loved the shit out of this stuff. Decent guy, but I still think the music they make sucks.
But, they managed to make an empire by digging themselves a niche. They made a marketable product, appealed to a shitton of kids, and still have staying power regardless of never making a top ten list anywhere.
People will always be obsessed with some sort of crap regardless of what shape it may come in.
john phenomenon,
you’re a fuckin faggot d00d
haha. icp is fucking stupid.
actually the juggalo capitol of the us is Denver Colorado
I thought it was Ohio.
(2nd video) Ron Jeremy is a Juggalo?
Are we all seriously still talking about ICP? Yikes.
i was gonna leave it alone because as a music fan from michigan i’m trying my best to pretend icp never existed, BUT…
the poseur cover band in those vids really raised the bar. to quote:
“oh and to the bastards that said I SUCK AT GUITAR MAYBE YOU WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT MY PAGE I AM A FUCKIN GUITAR MASTER IDIOT I GUESS YOU JUST CANT TELL WHEN SOMEONE IS FUCKING OFF CAUSE YOU DO IT FOR A LIVING” – MasterSword84
i dunno why it magically went all caps but this dude’s page is FUCKIN MASTER IDIOT because he turned on his chorus pedal and covered some nintendo tunes. way to go, heath!
haha the third video when the “smoker” spits something at the camera and says….
um……”Vabutum”!!!!!
they’re gone, my minutes are gone, I spent literally minutes watching those and I will never see them again. I wasn’t even doing something else that was kinda cool like listening to a movie or scratching myself, I was just watching things about icp.
And you know what the worst part is, you gave them my minutes. Icp owns them now. They don’t deserve them, I want them back
Jamie, as a metalhead and a hip-hop listener…SHUT…THE FUCK…UP.
You CASUALLY listen to ICP, that doesn’t make you a fan, that just means you’ve got a shitty taste in rap music. Almost all of the comments were about “juggalos”…and they’re all scum.
I mean, seriously. There are LOADS of better rappers to chose from and ICP need little defense. They deserve all the disrespect they get because of the fucktards the cater to.
Iggy and the Stooges are from Ann Arbor, MI. This instantly erases any other crimes Ann Arbor, Detroit or MI have committed against music.
Except ICP. Seriously, fuck ICP.
Not a Raging ICP fan by any means by they are more listenable and sadly more intelligent than black metal. “Grr Satan, I hate my parents, the christians are destroying everything”
And in the next episode of shooting giant fish in a tiny barrel…
What in the fuck was that!?!
Posts like this is why this site is shit.
I don’t even understand what the fuck their tryin to say!!!…..Anybody!?!
BTW…Axl…ure a fuckin douche!
Ahh this was an amusing read, though Vince’s unique musical ignorance outside of Metalcore powers through even here, and instead of an actual ICP song, he gives us a cover song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KWLE6fihUs
Yes I know, I live in Michigan, I know about ICP, I was thrilled to see DL post more of his trademark Ayn Randesque condescending and arrogance(with the politics to match).
I did take note of this, posted by the ICP fan, and I found it suiting of many hate oriented articles here, allow me to just…
“You know what amuses me more though? The fact that most (insert any band)-hate articles show no real depth of knowledge upon the group themselves. Then I scroll down and read the numerous comments sprawling with obscenities and lame criticisms.”
I find that a nearly sublime summary of the hate articles, or for the average poster “omg shit is tite!”.
Rev – course I’m going to be condescending an arrogant, when the subject at hand is a shitty band catering to the “inbred white trash who want to be black” section of the American public (who will all be executed when I take over the world) and a snooty Brit who is as self-righteous as yourself.
There’s not really a whole lot to “grasp” with ICP – they’re a group who make some shitty noise, market it to aforementioned group. They’re about as topical and shallow as any modern band can be; ergo, I don’t really need to know the background of the band to know I don’t like the noise they make, I don’t like the band members, or to loathe the target demographic of the noise they make. Thinking thus, what’s wrong with me posting my opinion that they really fucking suck?
It’s pretty easy to label stuff “hate” in modern America (especially with society being the way it is now with special-interests groups) when you really have no good rebuttal to the people who posted things you don’t like. “He said he doesn’t like it, he’s a hater!” No, not really, I just dislike the subject of the topic and posted my opinion about it. If I disliked the band for no real tangible reasons and came in here to constantly post denigratory things about the band, yeah, then I’d be a hater. Such is not the case.
Now, back to your inane drivel.
@Jamie – In your attempt to some try and justify you opinions on a group that has very little to no music value at all ever you fail. Its your opinion and you are entitled to it thats awesome. But when you come on here, and say that not all ICP ‘fans’ and Juggalo’s and its a bad stereotype because not everyone is, you then go and stereotype all metalhead therefore making your argument lose any credibility it could have possibly had.
Ok ok ok. Nickelback sucks. Creed sucks. Trivium sucks. There’s a lot out there that just sucks. It’s just not responsible music. The artist’s never tried. The artist’s are not artists. I get it.
BUT! I, for one, am really glad that there are bands like Insane Clown Posse out there. Why? Because it really does nothing besides temporarily corrupt the naive and entertain the wise. The “juggalos” will hit a wall with ICP. I sure as hell won’t. My opinion will never change. Still funny. Always funny. Laughed my ass off at them when I was naive enough to like them (I liked other, equally shitty music back then, don’t get me wrong) and I’m still laughing today. It’s fucking rap-metal clowns. That’s amazing. That is so goddamn beautiful I cannot stop smiling.
So, can’t we just smile? I know we all need education in taste, (thanks Metalsucks). I know this shit is poison to kids but haven’t most of us ascended and don’t most of us ascend? I’m from Georgia and I live in Mississippi. I know the answer to that question. No, not really, they don’t. But I’m talking about anyone that needs to rebel, anyone that needs a release. Rednecks don’t really listen to ICP. Detroit white trash kids ain’t redneck. ICP won’t ruin your life. It might ruin your taste for most of your youth, but I’m gonna just assume there aren’t very many 30 year olds in attendance at ICP shows. Then again…I’m still young, slightly naive, and never claim to know anything unless I really do. I have no fucking clue how juggalos think, thank god. Maybe this is ruining lives, ruining the world. I’ll tell you one thing though: The good bands, the geniuses will ruin lives.
OK. It amazes me at the time and effort so many “intelligent” people will spend to sit here and trash talk two clowns. Who are the fools? Get a fucking life. I am a Neuroscience major and I am sure I listen to much broader array of music than most of the imbeciles on this page. I listen to much of what Psychopathic has to offer. Juggalo, I don’t know? I am a fan. Obviously it is foolish to take this shit too seriously as every idiot on this page has. Just because you like a group who does something that is not considered very artistic does not mean you have to be stupid. It is personal preference. Something can be catchy or entertaining rather than musical and artistic and still be worth listening to to the inividual. I like Mozart and Paco De Lucia aswell, it does not mean that I should only listen to such well defined artists because of other stupid people’s opinion. If you really hate ICP, ignore them. Obviously your miserable lives must trully suck to sit and waste your time on something you believe is so stupid. Infact, it is a complement to ICP that so many fools feel it necessary to spend their personal time and effort talking meaningless cyber-bullshit. You people need to get outside and broaden your horizons and think about what your actions say rather than your pointless words on a silly blog.
When I was around 10 or 11 years old I went through a short phase where I listened to shit like ICP and Linkin Park (hey, cut me some slack. It was the year 2000). Then I grew a legitimate penis. Suffocation time.
if u hate ICP so much y r u idiots talkin bout shut tha hell up or tha fam gunna bring tha hatchets on u punks
Wow… just… wow. The incredible amount of bigotry, arrogance, intolerance and abject stupidity on display here is simply astounding. Plant napalm at an ICP show? Really? Even as a jest, that’s retarded. If you people don’t like ICP, there’s a very, very simple solution for you: Don’t listen to them. How difficult can this be for you holier-than-thou pinheads to understand?
Yeah dude. My ex-girlfriend was from Detroit and she was talking about local musicians. She mentioned the Insane Clown Posse. Then we both laughed it off. Although I still to this day am not sure whether or not she was joking (it really ISN’T her type of music AT ALL. I actually kind of liked her music). If she wasn’t, I will have lost all respect for her.
the fuck you song was fuckin hilarious lol
Jesus Christ…I count 4 Insane Clown Posse posts just this summer…you guys know dissing ICP stopped being in vogue back in 2002 right?
And yes, a lot of their fans are stupid. Of course, the same can’t be said for any other band…