NOW KILLSWITCH ENGAGE RIFFS ARE BEING USED AS HIP-HOP SAMPLES.

Monday, February 2nd, 2009 at 5:31pm by

hyro da heroHave Killswitch Engage reached cultural ubiquity? It’s hard to believe, but — together with original American New Wavers Lamb of God — the Masshole metalcore pioneers have reached the top of the modern metal popularity heirarchy and just might be about to pop mainstream culture’s bubble. The moment of Zen for me came not when Axl and I watched the Hulk-like security guards of New Jersey’s Starland Ballroom sing along to every song at their show there last year, but 10 minutes ago when I realized Killswitch Engage riffs are now being used as samples in hip-hop songs.

Is the party over for Killswitch or has it just begun?

I made this startling discovery when I clicked through to read a full story on Lambgoat, the headline of which boasted that some person or band named Hyro Da Hero had recruited members of Quicksand and Failure. I like both Quicksand and Failure so naturally I clicked, and then I clicked again to visit Hyro Da Hero’s MySpace for a listen. And while I’m staring at the blinged out mug pictured at right I’m greeted by the opening notes of “Glimpse into America,” which is actually a straight sample of KsE’s “My Curse.” How the hell did Killswitch go from a bunch of dirty, sweaty metal dudes to having their riffs sampled in hip-hop songs?

Part of me hates when a metal band I’ve watched grow from relative obscurity becomes so ubiquitous their riffs are used as samples in hip-hop songs. But I really can’t fault Killswitch, nor can I be angry. Their riffs are just so damn good and they’ve earned every bit of success they’ve had, have and will have. KsE’s later output might not be as great as their earlier stuff, but there’s no denying that all of their material is solid and that the band served an integral role in reinvigorating a completely stale U.S. metal scene in the early part of this decade. Might Killswitch be the metal band of our generation that crosses over to the mainstream? It certainly seems as if they’re gunning for it whatwith the announcement that Brendan O’Brien is producing their new album, and if the apparent acceptance of their music into the hip-hop world is any indication they’re well on their way.

killswitch engageBut is it possible for a metal band, let alone any band at all, to weather the ever-splintering music world and emerge as a crossover? In these times of iPods, MySpace and file-sharing people are free to pick and choose what they like, unhindered by the constraints of radio formats or those pesky plastic bits called “albums.” And even within the limited scope of metal, the pool of talent is so deep that there’s a limitless choice of micro-genres in which a would-be-fan can indulge. In other words: is ubiquity even possible in 2009? Is it possible for any metal band to achieve the level of success of a Black Sabbath or a Metallica?

Reb. Neilstein may be an ordained Rabbi of the Satanic Sect of Judaism practiced at the MetalSucks Mansion, but he certainly doesn’t claim to know all the answers. Feel free to weigh in with your thoughts in the comments section below.

-VN

  • wata

    It’s Obama’s fault.

  • dthrasher

    killswitch engage is boring as fuck.

  • dthrasher

    are?

  • \m/Eluveitie\m/

    Howard Jones…a thin caramel coating hides a dark chocolate center.

    And yes, it is Obama’s fault

  • \m/Eluveitie\m/

    @dthrasher

    Depends on if you’re in the UK or not

  • John

    that man/or should i say douchbox is a complete waste of space…if i was kse i would sue for his bling then wear it on stage.

    you cant have my songs….NOT YOURS

  • Chumplunt

    So it’s obviously Foo Fighters in that “Children” song. It that Filter in “Can’t Get It Up, Get It Down”?

  • Old Skool Metal

    killbitch engay are crap. who cares? hopefully they’ll dissapear soon and get jobs at the same car wash fred durst works at. blow me.

  • ceth

    Wow, rapping over the top of someone elses music without the courtesey of at least writing an original beat to go with it….that was seriously some boring repetitive junk if you ask me and my god…please stop and take a breath, he never stoped, he just kept going and going with no real direction….I’m sorry but that just seemed terribly un original…it might have been a bit different had there been some sort of hip hop beat infused with it or something but it was simply him rapping way to much over the top of another song….I say Boooooo!

  • cink

    Killswitch is a great band so fuck off haters. that rap song sucked though. I hope their new record goes back to their roots and shuts the haters up when they release a monster of an album like they used to.

  • Thisnamesucks

    This guy is going to get sued.

  • anathema

    that stupid echo effect he keeps using prevents me from actually giving a flying **** about his songs.

    i always DID wonder what “my curse” would sound like as a rap song, though.

  • iolanach

    “cink Says:
    February 2nd, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    Killswitch is a great band”

    No they aren’t.

  • Brett

    I love hip-hop. And I hate this.

  • http://reaper-x.deviantart.com/ Reaper-X

    http://www.myspace.com/adeptakashinobi

    This guy used a KSE sample, it was better though. Just listen to “killswitch joint”

  • Sammy

    I’m not a fan of hip hop at all, but because of my son am exposed to, and listen to, a lot of it, even if incidentally. As far as the genre goes, this guy isn’t terrible. And his rap over the KsE was done in a pretty professional way.

  • http://reaper-x.deviantart.com/ Reaper-X

    This guy…however…is a fucking twat. This is just for marketing. I’m sure this fag things Papa Roach is metal too.

  • Glenn

    Interesting question. The responses so far have been disappointingly Blabberworthy though.

    Anyway, I think you’re right — what we call “mainstream” is even less relevant than it may have been pre-iPod/Interweb. And massive careers like Metallica’s are really a thing of the past. As far as I’m concerned, KsE (or Opeth, or LoG) is already “mainstream” (and that’s not a dig) within their cultural orbit. Even if you’re talking about “mainstream” as the stuff on “American Idol,” you’re still talking about a slice of the pie, and even then it’s only a slice that some people eat some of the time.

    We’ve built so much personalization into our daily experiences (‘my”space, “my”yahoo, etc) that whatever sense of community or shared space the word “mainstream” used to denote has been severely diminished. Whether that’s a good or a bad thing is another discussion though.

  • ceth

    cink Says:
    February 2nd, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    Killswitch is a great band”

    No they aren’t.

    Yes They Are

  • ClosetMetalHead

    KsE have enough clean vocals to appeal to a wider audience. Also, I would not say that their song structures are too intricate for a more pop-comfortable audience.

    Also, I wonder if KsE gained more black fans with the addition of Howard. Maybe it shows people that metal can be listened to by anyone, and not just sweaty white kids with long hair.

  • http://www.mindinversion.com ryan

    Hyro has worked with Chino Moreno and others before… this is no surprise.

  • SonOF

    Maybe KSE isn’ t reinventing the wheel, but I think they are one of the best bands in a heavily watered-down genre filled with generic crap. Basically Killswitch does what they do quite well – if you don’t like what they do, that’s understandable.

    ..And I don’t know anyone who went to a KSE show (with an open mind) and didn’t have a hell of a good time. :)

    As for that rapper, his stuff is pretty awful.

  • Polska

    I never cared much for them, but I realized Killswitch is getting big when last year they brought up a toddler on stage and from what I could tell, he knew some lyrics. As far as ubiquity, I seriously doubt a band that anyone here considers real metal will reach ridiculous popularity any time soon, although other kinds of music do (nickelback, britney spears etc.) If a band manages to crossover, I doubt they’ll still be playing the kind of metal youve come to expect. And appreciate. Also seeing as though the last time “metal” was topping the charts, bands like korn and limp bizkit were around, so I personally don’t want to see an immense resurgence in metal popularity any time soon.

  • Afro Coco

    Dude Hyro Da Hero’s music is crap, honestly stealing other peoples music just so he can make his look better is horrible. I mean why doesn’t he just write some more lyrics and slap them on top of a master piece like stairway to heaven.
    As for killswitch, I don’t mind there stuff but no one deserves for their music to be takin away and used by someone else.

  • Kyle

    The party was over the instant Jesse walked out the door. Alive or Just Breathing was fucking amazing.

  • Hot Carl

    Hooray rap rock is back! Now I can stop listening to brokeNCYDE and check out these KSE inspired track. Can’t wait to bust out my red yankees hat. god must hate music.

  • oh no

    i like to mess around with fruity loops (synth/sampler/drum machine), and i made a trip hop song with the riff from tormentors “Elisabeth Bathory”….

    anyway i played to a dude at my work and he ended up wanting to use it for his “mixtape” (or whatever the OGs call it)
    so i let him use it not realising that it was gonna be the intro to his EP(?)

    so now i feel like i have hurt tormentor in a way,
    kind of desecrated their music.
    I must be punished.

    what can i do to redeem myself?

  • Johnny Death

    Have enjoyed watching Killswitch’s live shows since they were just playing the little clubs, Now i’ll be seeing them in the arena next to that same little club i first saw them in. Each time I have seen them, they have always gone up one more step in venue size.
    Kyle – you are right, Alive or just Breathing was fucking amasing, but – the end of heartache took it to a new level.

  • Bicro

    I watched their DVD, and was more confused and scared then I had ever been in my life.

    I do not know what to think of this band.

  • Will

    Killswitch fuckin’ rules, and all you haters can lick a nut up and shut up.

  • http://www.coreymitchell.com Corey Mitchell

    Ignoring the rap angle — KSE have bored me ever since Jesse left the group. Don’t get me wrong, I think Howard seems like a great guy who I would thoroughly enjoy hanging out with, but his voice and stage presence do nothing for me.

    As far as Adam D. is concerned, please…the forced “humor” is a complete turn-off and reeks of desperation. Too much “goofy guy with a lampshade on his head seeking even more attention” for me.

    And don’t even get me started on that sacreligious cover of “Holy Diver.”

  • hollywoodbliss

    just another band we can chalk up as sellouts why do they keep letting these fuckers come on our side of the fence 1 I may not like kse but they worked hard for what they have done 2 stay on your own damn side of the fence metal and hip hop shouldn’t fucking mix this is gay these are the same pieces of shit that look you up and down like tyou are shit everytime you go out because you are not adorned withstupid fucking machineguns with fakeass diamonds and clothes with some peoples name of you have never even fucking seen
    3if these fucking losers can’t write their own shit maybe they shouldn’t be a making money off of everyone elses fucking beat boxing loser pieces of shit
    now all I can say is
    fuck killswitch

  • Byron W.

    Dude, you are such a fucking idiot, do you honestly think that Killswitch Engage allowed or enabled this rapper to use their intro in his song? Ever considered the possibility that he used it without any kind of deal towards Killswitch Engage, hence all the talk of being sued etc…

    Take a minute to think before you rant like a challenged pre-pubescent… I realise that this may seem like a foreign concept to some, but it may actually help you get somewhere in life…

  • Keith Brown

    I liked it. Hyro’s sampling the Killswitch song is his way of saying “look, I like this artist, and I wish I could have written this song.” Sampling a song in hip hop is just like a metal band covering a song: Putting your own interpretation on a particular track that you found influential. And the lyrics; Hyro has some pretty insightful shit when he raps. He talks about real life, bout real issues, and I am pretty damn sure that my eye is watering up because of Ryan Halligan and the song “Children.”

  • SonOF

    For all those claiming that they stopped liking KSE when Leach left, I just don’t get it. I too think Jesse is better than Howard, but not so much better that the band went completely downhill after the vocalist switch. There was a bit of a rough vocal transition after “Alive Or Just Breathing,” (especially during live shows), but I think Jones has come around, at least to the point of competence, and the rest of the band has improved and evolved with each album.

    And just another thought… if Leach is so wonderful, why hasn’t he gotten involved with any half-decent act since KSE?

  • Sammy

    @Corey: Thank you. For giving me perspective, that is. You see, my wife thinks I’m too cynical. I prefer to think of myself as a “cynical optimist” which, I guess, means pragmatist. But I will have to direct her to your postings and articles to make me seem like a Pollyanna. ;)

    Oh, and I just received Pure Murder from Amazon a couple of days ago. I’ll start on that after the 800 page behemoth I’m working on now. I’ll shoot a review of it to you when I’m finished because I’m sure you just can’t wait to hear what an Inland Pacific Northwestern jackass thinks of it. (And what is wrong with the KsE cover of “Holy Diver”?)

  • http://www.coreymitchell.com Corey Mitchell

    @Sammy: Hope you enjoy the book. Hell, it made Axl’s year end Best of list so it has to be decent, right?

    Not sure what perspective I gave you, but, glad to be of service.

    As for the “Holy Diver,” I guess I should clarify that my ire is directed toward that “hee-larious” video. I’m simply tired of post-ironic and post-witty when, in truth, it is neither.

    @SonoF: Who said I ever liked KSE? I simply stated that now they bore me with Howard. As for Jesse’s post-KSE career, the man is doing what he wants to do and in my eyes, that makes him pretty damn successful.

  • RayRay

    Dthrasher- SHUT UP.

  • Slender

    LIl John Sampled Slayers Reign In Blood. Seriously As Heavy and hard Lil John is, it actually sounds sick as fuck. I don’t know where to find it though, Heard it in a friends car.

  • http://www.last.fm/user/cooperaa Aaron

    This is worse than P.O.D.

  • Aya

    KSE=FAVE NO.1
    Their music is unbelievable-It’s metal and it’s non-metal as well. They really can be the next breakout band on the level of Korn, Metallica, I think.
    I’m tolerant of music…but still can’t stand Hip-hop…lol

  • SickSixSeth

    hip hop sure can suck a major dick sometime and is definatly responsible for making the majority of the worst of music.

  • Cmix

    I like KSE, and don’t know how to feel about this.

  • Kenneth

    @ all the haters: Shut the hell up you douchebags. You guys all probably have less talent than Howard’s left nut.

    Anyways, This is ridiculous. Now a great band is being pulled into the wave of today’s “Mainstream Music” bullshit.

  • Kill-8

    LOL at Kenneth’s comment. Left nut xD.

  • http://www.hempire-records.com/ HempireMusic

    People say that rap is a dead form. I tend to believe different, I believe it’s just evolving, and staying current. Prime example is what we’ve been doing over here… Check out Kryptik – V.I.P ft. Crooked I. Just google it, I don’t wanna spam a link. against night