Thought the album was okay,I’d say above average deathcore band, some elements you don’t hear in a regular deathcore band but not THAT amazing, will give this a spin when it comes out. The only significant downside to this band is that I’ve heard they stink a bit live, but haven’t seen them myself so not judging on that.

sYgnal: Apologies for not listing EVERY SINGLE FUCKING BAND I possibly could just to avoid from having you reply with your would-be AMAZING comeback! Could it be possible at all that someone could like ALL the bands you listed AS WELL AS Born of Osiris? Nooooo, really!? COULDN’T BE! Well it is, there, short bus.

Truth is, no one gives a flying fuck what you think about this band and you obviously don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about with what this band can or cannot do. Let me guess… you heard 1 song off their MySpace (and probably not all the way through at that), and you threw your hands up and said, “ah, this is bullshit!” As far as triggers go, that shit’s ALL OVER metal, dude. The Gene Hoglan’s, Richard Christy’s, Derek Roddy’s, Bobby Jarzombek’s et all are a rare breed – they always have been. I mean, until you start getting into a lot of the international metal – but even then, triggers about.

Everything you’ve said about this band – sans your personal opinion (which is what it is, I’m not trying to argue with that) – is completely wrong. Go download the Rosecrance demo from these guys where they’re recording themselves doing this shit WITHOUT the use of studio effects and all that magic. Better yet, read the latest article by them in one of the metal scene magazines at your local Borders (I read it yesterday, but I don’t recall which magazine it was; Born of Osiris is on the cover, though) and you’ll see everything they noted about the production of this album that they hated, which is the shitty-sounding drum production, etc. I mean, you say they were made to sound better through studio magic, when any fan and non-fan alike can EASILY hear how SHITTY the studio production actually is! There is NOTHING flattering or magical about the production on this album at all. All the people here who say they’ve seen these guys live and they suck, etc. – dude, there are PLENTY of fucking bands that sound great on CD but don’t exactly play the best live – and even then, you’ve got to trust that these fuckers here are even telling the truth in the first place. Go pull up some shit on YouTube and guess fucking what! It’s not that bad. Oh, but maybe to YOU it is, because you’ve got your bar set on fucking Pluto.

The fact of the matter is that these kids are doing shit that a lot of their metal elders couldn’t do without just a bit of practice… much less some opinionated mofo like you who knows just what metal should and shouldn’t be! There is TONS of guitar work on their last album, I mean… what the fuck, dude. You saying that just goes to show you’re one of these asshats who just talks shit about something they haven’t really heard, sans maybe ONE song – and at that, do you like EVERY song from EVERY band on EVERY album that you like? Doubtful. There are too many factors here that swing this discussion out of your favor, dude. So, until you bring something legitimate to bitch about to the table about bands like this, shut the fuck up and try actually LISTENING to it for once. Fuck sake, man. Yes, you ARE just a, “metal purist” douchebag if you’re saying shit like, “there’s no guitar work whatsoever.” lol. I mean… that’s just laughable. You saying that is like saying there are no fish in the sea. It’s really just THAT fucking stupid and obvious that you haven’t listened to very much of these guys at all. *sigh* So… just go on talking shit, because no one gives a flying fuck. I guess you’re the one who has to be all upset and butthurt that people out there actually like these guys. Awww, boohoo! Poor sYgnal! No one listens to his half-assed opinion! Here’s your own personal little violin, sYgnal! My anus is sad for you. Aww… =(

What do you say to a guy like me who loves this music as much as I do the bands you listed and exponentially more? Yeah, most of what you listed is better than Born of Osiris; even THEY would admit that! Regardless, that doesn’t take away from what they personally offer and if you don’t like it, shut the fuck up and move on, man. I mean, goddamn, dude. No one fucking cares that you hate these guys! I know you don’t care about a damn bit of what I’m saying here and that’s great! Great to know we’re on the same page, but guys like you are the ones who come across all, “Mr.-Know-It-All” and you use your big intimidation factor by dropping old school band names to sound like your opinion actually amounts to a pile of shit when it doesn’t. Anyway, you get people who don’t even want to attempt to debate with you but guess what? Bring on your best, dude. I get sick and fucking tired of reading the same old blah, blah, blah drab from guys like you who feel like you hold the keys to what should or shouldn’t be liked. I mean, just who the fuck are you, man!? Nobody; that’s who. You’re just another schlub on the internet – just like me!

Like I said, I know YOU couldn’t care less about what I have to say about all this and it’s not you who I want to care; it’s you I want to embarass and expose your elitest attitude, because there are fucking TOO many of you out there. I mean, I’m all for people having their personal opinions, because that’s just part of life; we have shit we like and we have shit we don’t like – that’s great, but when you start saying shit like, “there’s no guitar work on this – it’s just chugga-chugga,” you’ve OBVIOUSLY not listened to this shit enough to merit giving a REAL constructive opinion. But what am I talking about? It’s SO much more fun just to pointlessly and aimlessly hate on shit, isn’t it?

-Stephen

Ahh… you’re the one whose calling people out because they are passionate about a particular style of music and by trying to use this band as an example of subjectivity makes you the most retarded fuck I have ever had the pleasure of irking! All the shit that just poured out of your suck could be used in an argument to support Britney Spears’ music but anyone with a goddamn pair of ears & a brain could deduce the “wipe my ass” by the numbers schlock that your beloved Born of Osiris spews forth! Really, I could give two shits which one of you brainless twats think their music is great. No, Really, I DON”T GIVE A FUCK!! Yup, I rated this band on one song…That’s it! One shot. I wouldn’t waste my time sifting through the rest of their amateur effort not when there are a million other bands that I could try out. I did listen to the entire track critically. I did come to the conclusion that…THEY SUCK! Do I have the time to respond to every excuse that you came up with? NO. Do I care to? NO. Your right…You’re a schlub just like me. Remember that next time you wanna pull the punk card on a group of people you hate…

Oh & BTW: On Symbolic it was a Pearl Export (or Studio Export?)! Pearl’s have that kind of flat(but blasting) tonality when recorded that’s why the Yamaha Stage Studio Custom is the most recorded kit. Second, it’s one thing to use triggers to get a certain sound but to rely on them completely for easier drumming shows a lack of talent!! Kind of like an electric kit….

Stephen:

Response to your first sentence: Blah,Balh,Blah & Thanks for playin.

Response to your second paragraph:

Nope…No Google involved. I have listened to CD since it came out in 1995 and that was the one thing that made Gene so popular amongst the Metal fans…He didn’t use triggers on both of the Death albums he was on nor did he ever use triggers with Dark Angel. Just because you no longer have any integrity and feel it’s ok for bands to get by with whatever it takes doesn’t mean that people wanna listen to the shit that’s produced with that mentality. Playing gigs is your bread & butter as a musician. That’s where the money lies and if you can’t translate what you recorded in the studio into a live setting then you’ll be yesterdays news! In fact, MOST pro drummers DO NOT use triggers. Maybe you should check out Akira Jimbo,no…wait, *Oops*I forgot I’m talking to the connoisseur of world music. I’m only naming artists to sound like a know-it-all.

Honestly, who’s the one whose making themselves look like a dumb fuck…Uh-Oh, I think it’s you, Jackass!

I don’t know why you all listen to metal anyway.

Metal sucks.

everyone commenting hear is extremely ignorant. You can think metal sucks, but none of you realize how hard it is to be tight as a band…i am sure none of you are in a band…and if you are not even a good sounding band. All of you make me sick and now i realize majority of this fucked up world is miserable assholes who can’t appreciate music the way it’s suppose to be for, enjoyment. So oh well you don’t like Born of Osiris..move on and don’t make a fuckin big scene out of it, have some god damn respect and manners. Next time all of you diss a band, keep it to yourself i am sure no one cares about your opinion.

by the way you know i am right so don’t even bother making a fool out of yourselves trying to snap at me with your low remarks and comments

fuck all you assholes,
CJ

P.S.
It’s all about tech metal bitches. Intelligent music. None of you “old school” metal heads can even comprehend bands like Ion Dissonance or Into The Moat. If any of you can play ANY of their songs, then you have a winning argument. Otherwise STFU. And go hang out with the typical long haired, patched denim vest guys. They are always around and I am sure they would love to rant with you. RETARDS.

You two do know that drum triggers actually have no effect on the way that the bass drum is played, right? Drum triggers only sense when a bass drum hit occurs, relays the message to a processor, and a single, clean sounding, bass note is produced. Using triggers only cleans up your bass notes, making faster double bass possible on larger (and thus, more resonant) bass drums. It is very useful if you play very fast because it helps distinguish and separate each note in quick succession (the same thing that good engineers do in the studio). all triggers do is ensure that all of your bass notes are heard, instead of just a long muffled roll. So the difference between a drummer who uses triggers, and one who does not has nothing to do with talent. Now i understand that there is some debate about dynamics and the use of triggers, but thats all that is: a debate. if you play fast technical bass drum patterns and you want them to be heard the way they are played, use triggers.

Ok. You want some facts? Fact: You do not understand how triggers work. Fact: Most good drum modules have dynamic recognition. Fact: Using triggers is not a reliance on technology.

First, you have to understand what i meant by “cleaning up” a sound. I do not mean that it takes you output, processes it, and spits it back out. What cleaning up the sound means is simply this: when you play any drum, the noise that you want to hear is the initial hit, not the follow up reverberations. that is why so many drummers have cut holes into their drum heads, filled their drums with blankets or pillows, etc. Most drummers are looking for a dull, low, thud. Here is where the cleaning up part comes in. The module plays a single bass note, short, low, sweet, and uniform (unless of course, you set it to do otherwise). This makes each note clean, and easy to hear. Hence, cleaning up the sound.

Secondly, drummers play just as hard with triggers as they do with real drums. Why? “How could he know this?” you ask. Easy. No one who plays drums (with very little exception) starts out with triggers. Most drummers begin with a cheap kit that their parents buy them, or one that they saved up to buy. You have to learn how to crawl before you can walk. Because triggers actually have no effect on how you play, and are simply used for amplification and definition of sound, they do not come standard on drum sets. Think of it in terms of guitar gear. Do you know any guitar player whose first setup was a full on, profession touring rig? Not just a half stack and a head… i mean two full stacks, pre-amps, custom guitars, wireless receivers, pedalboards, and a guitar tech? You shouldn’t. Because that is stupid. That kind of gear is meant to do two things 1. Perfect your live sound 2. Perfect your studio sound. Giving anyone better gear might make them SOUND better in general, but all it will be is really good sounding GARBAGE.

Lastly, you do have to work hard. You do have to practice. You do have to build stamina. You will still get tendonitis. You will still have to spend money on good drums. Then you will have to spend extra money on triggers and modules and amplification. You don’t have to be a good drummer to use triggers, but then again, you don’t have to be a good drummer to own expensive drums. Shit, if you follow that logic, you don’t have to be a good drummer to be famous for being a drummer. Now, is it the trigger’s fault that some shitty drummers use them? No. Is it technology’s fault that it has become more available and less expensive? No. Is it that crap-drummer-who-plays-in-whatever-band’s fault that he wants to emulate professional sound and famous drummers when he plays? Well, yeah, but you can’t blame him. He just wants to sound good.

Think logically, and it all begins to make sense. To much vibration = unclear notes. Triggers = clear notes. Good drummer with triggers or without triggers = good drummer. Bad drummer with triggers or without triggers = bad drummer.

You have said one thing that i agree with, and implied one thing that i agree with. First, yes, you can trigger any drum. You then said that you can play bass notes from your floor tom, which implies that you think this is cheating. I 100% agree. triggers should be used to amplify the sound you would naturally make, and not to add a loop-hole to make insane double bass parts easier. That i agree with.

But other than that, you’re still wrong
p.s. if if add a smiley face this time, do you think that the joke i made by stating that i respect your opinion and then immediately saying that you are wrong will make more sense? maybe. so just in case. :)

Fact: I can in fact, read. Maybe if you read an article in a drum magazine, a book on electronics, or even a website about how to use triggers, maybe you would have enough knowledge to create a strong argument full of facts instead of suppositions. Then you wouldn’t sound like so much of a trolling asshole.

Fact: Drum Modules do play pre assigned MIDI samples. Just like a keyboard. That is correct.

Fact: Dynamic range CAN be used to play totally different sets of samples. Also, not every module or trigger has dynamic ability. The ones that do can ALSO be used to play the same sample with a relative volume based on the power of the strike.

Fact: Your idea of not having to work as hard is flawed. What i was showing you is that most drummers that play double-bass heavy parts had to learn on an acoustic kit first, before moving to triggers. What this means is that you are used to playing full strength. Any drummer can tell you that drumming well is a mixture of muscle memory and stamina. So why not play as hard as you are used to?

Fact: Cutting a hole in the head of your drum is for allowing air to pass for a shorter thud sound and less resonance. You can also use this hole to mic your drums. Dynamic mics work better for bass drums than condenser mics (which i am sure that you knew. easy mistake). Also, blankets and pillows are what people use before they spend tons of money on extra padding and dampeners. Tuning your heads is what gives you a specific tone. Two perfectly tuned bass drum heads will still create a resonance that is undesirable to most drummers. That is why they use padding like pillows or blankets or deadringers.

Fact: Having a discussion about triggers and then saying that you dislike a total reliance on technology used in music leads me to believe that you meant triggers. Forgive me if you were actually talking about every other technological advance in music production and recording, and not triggers.

Do yourself a favor. Go lurk on some drum forums and learn something.