That said; maybe he should join Flaccid Bizkit for some much-needed cred?
(OK; that was mean…)

I’d feel a lot less trendy listening to Scream than I would listening to anything by iwrestledabear once.

-I like Chris Cornell.
-I’m not a fan of this album, but I’m glad the he’s not an arrogant douche and doesn’t expect his old fans to embrace it.
-Good for him for doing what he wants to do despite public opinion. it’s not like any of his solo albums have ever sold excessively well anyways, regardless of anyones opinion of how high or low they are in quality.

And for the record, when you actually read the interview with all of the interviewers questions, and all of Chris’ answers (the way it SHOULD be read) it is much better, and much more interesting.

And it’s not the same thing. Me justifying the quality of my insults would be like Lamb of God or KSE justifying the quality of their albums. Sure, there’s some derivative stuff included but you’ll be damned if it isn’t well done.

You trying to justify the quality of your own insults is like Cornell trying to justify the quality of his own album.

But yes, it’s been fun, let’s do it again sometime, next time you might not want to bother exhuming my mother and fucking a corpse though, that shit is nasty.

I was pretty ambivalent about Cornell (I don’t really like any of his music) until his little, “The common people might not like it, but the ‘underground DJs’ love it and say it’s years ahead of its time” just came off as a complete douche move. He tries to invalidate the majority opinion by making it seem the thoughts of a (quite possibly completely theoretical) very small group are somehow more important, simply because the majority opinion is negative. Since he evidently thinks of this as “experimental work”, calling it “years ahead of its time” is probably what he wanted people to say about it….but since they didn’t, he needed a way to slip the term out there somehow, and what better way to do it than say it’s what an ambiguous group of people think of it?

As for me calling your “cocksucker” statement a blanket one, the context of your initial statement, combined with your follow up to Strung definitely showed a trend. A fascination with sucking cock, if you will. Your words may not say “blanket” but your intent is obvious.

“I’m not here to defend some sort of everybody love each other lifestyle where we all smoke weed and get on well like some sort of hippy comune” That’s actually exactly what it seems like you’re saying.

“all I’m saying is that defending Reznor as some sort of sheep like opinion is somehow superior to everyone else’s and because he is such a “cool guy” is just totally partisan.”
It’s not because his opinion is worth more. It’s because his opinion is THE SAME. Everyone knows this album sucks. It sucks big ol’ donkey balls. Reznor just gets bonus points for being famous and still echoing the opinion of the masses in a public forum.

And for the record, I’m not really concerned, this is just fun. Aren’t you having fun?

That’s not a blanket accusation, that’s a statement with a limitation, it doesn’t say all NiN fans it says “a few”.

Are you one of those few?

If not then why are you so concerned about it.

Yes there is nothing wrong with calling things out that suck but in Reznors case it smacks of pious one upmanship, and to be honest I could give a shit about what Reznor, Reznor’s fans, Cornell, Cornell’s fans all want to say, do, think about the album/Cornell or anything, I’m not here to defend some sort of everybody love each other lifestyle where we all smoke weed and get on well like some sort of hippy comune, all I’m saying is that defending Reznor as some sort of sheep like opinion is somehow superior to everyone else’s and because he is such a “cool guy” is just totally partisan.

So yes, I call bullshit about the whole thing, Reznor’s attitude, the almost entirely nodding partisan collective of Metalsucks who are willing to put out for him when he’s being a little bitch like his opinion was at all worth any more or less than anyone elses.

As for the your mother comments, if you really had to end on that note then you could at least have found a better retort than the same one everyone and his mother have been using for the last one thousand years.

Need fuel for the next round?

Here’s the bait:

http://www.covenanteyes.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/can-of-worms1.jpg

Yes, defending Cornell’s right to be uncool makes you a cocksucker(so does the fact that you suck tons of cock). You didn’t have any problem blanketing NIN fans with the accusation, did you? So, apparently, you’re just the pot calling Reznor’s kettle black. Because it’s okay for you to criticize people but not him. NIN fans are cocksuckers but Cornell needs to be shielded from criticism like a fucking infant apparently. Again, I call you out on this and, yes, this also makes you a cocksucker.

For the record, though, you got my argument totally wrong. I was merely saying that Cornell’s new album sucks and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with someone calling him out on it. Who gives a fuck. What, do we have to start teaching celebrities the “I’m rubber, you’re glue” rhyme? Maybe Cornell can put that one on his next album. There’s nothing wrong with talking shit about something that you think sucks. And you’re right, taking risks is good. But taking a risk that turns out to be a failure is just that, a failure. Cornell’s album is a failure, even if he wants to bullshit people and say it’s just ahead of it’s time. As a comparison that fits this discussion perfectly, most people consider The Fragile to have been a very risky album for NIN to make. Commercially, it didn’t do incredibly well but artistically, people respect the shit out of it. So, if someone wanted to talk shit about Reznor and say that The Fragile was a commercial failure, more power to them.

The only thing that’s pathetic here is you and the only box I’ve been in lately was your mother’s, by the way. You really should tell her to mothball that stinky fucker when I’m not in town to plow the shit out of her.

@Lee

difference is, Patton has made a career out of trying to get people to hate them but having fans eat his shit up anyway. He goes out of his way to be a dick and to make music that it barely comprehensible. Cornell, however, attempted to go the other route, to attempt to be popular and he hasn’t been incredibly successful on that path(comparitively speaking of course). Audioslave burned out after their first album and Cornell’s solo stuff has never been received very well.

Compare Mike Patton to Chris ( ok, Chris has nothing on Pattons voice but…. )

Both Were In MASSIVE INFLUENTIAL 90′s ROCK BANDS ( FNM / SOUNDGARDEN )
Both have flirted with other acts ( TOMAHAWK / AUDIOSLAVE )
Both Have put out WIGGER SHIT ( PEEPING TOM / SCREAM )

but one gets all the praise in the world, and the other gets shit canned.

Trent Reznor is a fucking joke, his songs are nothing more than layers upon layers of shitty Pro Tools tracks on a monotonous drum loop with some fucking terrible vocals and talky lyrics. Anyone can talk into a mic add a couple of pitch bends… that is not singing.

Unfortunately everyone expects their megastars not to be human, which is where the problem is, Cornell had an image built up and people expected of him, somewhat unfairly, to release excellent quality albums every time.

As for Cornell complaining, call it interpretation but I don’t see it here, all I see is that Cornell has been asked what he thought about something and has called it as he see’s it, which is that he thinks Reznor is a bit out of order, the difference is that Cornell is asked for his opinion here, whereas Reznor just put his out there when it wasn’t called for.

I’m not saying Reznor shouldn’t do that, hell he can say what he wants but it’s not a good thing for an artist to be calling out on other peoples work, it sounds like he has an elevated sense of self importance – it’s certainly not without probability that Reznor will one day release a shit album and everyone will pan him for it, but then does he deserve that? He seems to think he’s better than everyone else after all.

Having said all this, I think we’re all possibly over-reading this in general, this whole album/consequent criticism has been totally out of proportion and I think should die already.

Sure, I agree with you, Cornell has a TON of great work in his catalog, and if he wants to experiment and do something different, by all means he should.

BUT

I don’t think it’s fair for Cornell to complain about the criticism by Reznor and others, because he’s the one putting the work out there. Cornell is the one coming off as an entitled prick, expecting everyone to love whatever he releases. I see Reznor as simply calling it as he personally sees it, but I’ll admit I’m a NIN fanboy and probably can’t see this whole thing 100% objectively.

I also don’t see how you can describe Nine Inch Nails as ‘boring’? You may not like it , but it’s sure as hell more interesting than alot of other music.

In all honesty, I’m not even a big Cornell fan, I’m just fed up with all the asinine one sidedness of this whole situation, it sort of irritates me that when someone doesnt live up to your expectation of them then it’s suddenly a big deal to you all, when someone steps outside that little tiny category in your mind you have penholed for them that they suddenly become so important to you.

If anything you’re all the ex cock sucking fans who are just a wee bit pissed that someone you had stereotyped as a “rock singer” is suddenly doing something that you don’t like anymore. I wouldn’t say Cornells record is bad, it’s certainly a stylistic departure from what he used to do, but so what, Cornell didnt need to sell out, he was a millionaire already. This is just pure experimentation on his part, and fine, you’re entitled to not like it, but don’t get all self righteous as if you had some sort of possession over the man, that’s just greedy.

As for Reznor, yes it was a low blow, you don’t call someone out on what their doing in their lives and you don’t criticise it unless you’ve got some insecurities yourself, Reznor’s got a bit of an ego to deal with it seems, and I could give a shit whether he’s consistant, consistancy is boring, wheres the risk in consistancy, so he has kept more fans than Cornell, but what is this life?

Cos it sure as hell aint a dick waving contest.

So Cornell is uncool now and apparently my defending Cornells right to be uncool makes me a cocksucker?

Honestly, thats a pathetic excuse for an argument, get back in your box.