UNDEROATH VS. AVENGED SEVENFOLD! FUN FUN!
Thursday, April 23rd, 2009 at 11:57am by Vince Neilstein
I really couldn’t give a fuck what some dude in Underoath says about Avenged Sevenfold, but lots of you have been emailing us about this and besides, this is the kind of shit-kicking we specialize in around here, no? So apparently Metal Hammer was out with Underoath in Austria and Italy and got this choice nugget out of guitarist Tim McTague:
“People might associate us with Avenged Sevenfold because they’re pissed republicans and ‘so metal’, but they’re a gimmick, they’re a circus. They can play [corrected] but they can’t write songs. What’s worse is the way they look. If you need to have make-up and crappy names like Synyster Gates to sell records, then you shouldn’t be here.
That’s not rock’n’roll to me. Arena rock maybe, but not real rock’n’roll. If you’re basing yourself on how cool you are or how many girls you can trick into thinking your band is cool you can just… take that home. I’m not saying that’s what Avenged Sevenfold do, but they do a lot of crap that makes me think, ‘that’s why you and us will never be the same’. At the same time, we don’t write a really heavy record ‘just to show all those Avenged Sevenfold fans what real metal is like.”
Who knows is there was any kind of precursor here, some off-the-record incident involving the two bands to which we aren’t privy. But really, who cares? Here are two very controversial bands taking swings at each other (see also: The Dillinger Escape Plan vs. Disturbed, Parts I – IV), and we’re just gonna sit back and enjoy the fireworks. Discuss!
-VN
Underoath was doing just fine at Mayhem Festival last year until the lead singer said “We’re here in the name of Jesus Christ”. After that the energy deflated
Avenged Sevenfold look and act really stupidly but they do write good music and are very talented on their instruments so I can just pretend that I don’t know how they look and act.
I agree with Mike, you can make fun of how they look/there stupid stage names all you want, but avenged has written some damn fine songs.
Underoath on the other hand…not so much.
Waking the Fallen is still an incredible album. Everything since then…meh.
Agreed
Agreed entirely
This.
Waking the fallen was a great album that I still listen to. All their other shit is garbage. Radio pop bullshit.
agreed. one of my favorite albums… you couldn’t believe how disappointed i was when City of Evil came out… sell outs!!
I’ve always found waken the fallen mediocre amongst a lot of other bands coming out with music at the time… just have never liked this band I guess
Truth.
I feel the same…Waking is their ONLY good album. I listen to it when nobody else is around though.
Disagreed. All 4 Avenged Sevenfold albums are amazing, with City Of Evil being their best. In all honesty, I’ve always Waking The Fallen was their worst album. To me, it just doesn’t seem as enthusiastic as the other three.
I agree with CJ. I think that A7X have yet to put out a bad album, and I also agree that City of Evil is their finest work. Nothing against Underoath (other than the fact that they’re absolute suckage in it’s purest form and a disgrace to the art we call music), but I think that they need to just shut thier mouth and let a real band show them how it’s done.
Never trust a Jesus freak. Fuck Underoath.
i second your opinion. thats why i hate my mom
Agreed
Since rock and roll began and even before it, gimmicks and controversy have been just as big a part of rock and roll as is the music. Chuck Berry had fucking gimmicks for christ’s sake. I’d rather listen to a band that embraces a gimmick and plays somewhat solid heavy rock then listen to a band spout off about how they love jesus because he was the only reason they were able to get out of the really dark places of their life. Fuck that, go write a record like Act of Depression again and then you can start making fun of other lame bands.
is that not a gimmick as well?
Being a fan of both bands, it sucks to see one douche letting his mouth walk, they say they think that avenged look dumb but i mean common man, underoath look like the run of the mill emo metal kids anyways, i dont like the fact that a band who cant even come close to the talents of any of the members of avenged is talking smack Tim couldn’t hold syn’s nut sweat behind the axe, avenged sells lots of records cause of the amazing ability to create new and amazing music (besides city of evil) it has nothing to do with what they look like. Underoath is just jealous and its not becoming of them to slander better bands.
You think if they were all fat nerds they would sell any records to the hot topic crowd?
Tenacious D?
Tenacious D is very out of context.
haha.
Fuck Underoath. Im not a huge Avenged fan but the musicianship in that band is incredible, much more than underoath can say.
Whenever i think of Underoath i think of them quitting warped tour cuz fuckin NOFX made fun of them all the time.
Fuck I hate Underoath, go die
I’m not trying to flame you for your ridiculously provocative above statement (because that is what attention whores like you want in the first place)… I’m just here to clear things up for you. They dropped out of Warped Tour because the band found out that Spencer was still addicted to Cocaine despite many attempts to quit and claims that he had. For a band based upon Christian principles like that Tim and some of the other guys just couldn’t believe that Spencer would be living such a hypocritical life like that. I mean the whole NOFX thing sustains your belief of them as pussies, but in this case there was more to the issue. sorry to burst your bubble.
who cares. Both bands stink lets end this convo.
No matter what you say I will not like this band, and im not doin this for attention. That was the story i was told about Underoath, which i thought was funny cuz NOFX kick ass but i agree with RayRay these guys suck. So lets drop it
Cocaine for Jesus!
Would it be too much to ask for Mark Hunter to perform an MMA clinic on both bands?
In my opinion, Avenged Sevenfold > Underoath.
This is not judged on the way they act, look or jump around the stage.
Based on the music, and nothing else, Avenged Sevenfold puts way more soul and way more energy into their music.
He says that they can’t write. Has he even heard Chapter Four?
Anyone that bashes any band publicly for any reason is an idiot, and Tim McTague is no exception.
You haven’t listened to old Underoath, then. Cries of The Past and Act of Depression have more “soul” and emotion in them than the merchandising enterprise that is A7X has ever had. And UO’s last 2 albums are pretty good, too. Much more creative and less cheesy than A7X. I don’t understand how anyone could ever take A7X seriously as actual music, anyways. It’s all flash and glamour. Besides, whp cares when there’s anew Suffocation album on the way. They just put up a new interview with them on hardtimes.ca. Why isn’t there news about that?
“whp cares”
I’m a faggot
who*
Hey man, like I said, it’s just my opinion.
But I gotta disagree with “Flash and glamour”, Their new album is defenitly more pop rock, but it doesn’t justify flash and glamour as what they’re all about.
UO is pretty good, but A7X just appeals more to me. Their older stuff anyways.
And on a side note, there’s lots of new stuff that the site has missed. “Shallow Life” by Lacuna Coil for example.
They posted the “Shallow Life” video about 3 or 4 weeks ago, I believe. Look it up.
I saw that, and thanks, but I was referring to the album that was released on the 21st.
(For some reason it won’t let me reply to the last comment, but fuck it) Word, I’m actually really looking forward to listening Shallow Life. I’ve been listening to Spellbound on repeat for the last two weeks.
You can also note that a couple years back Dillinger and Avenged Sevenfold were using the media as a PR machine. It was something along the lines of the guys in DEP were stating the same exact thing that the guy from Underoath is talking about–the make up, the names, the look. It was on bmouth a couple years back, it was entertaining. I don’t mind A7X, but why the gimmick look? Yea it was cool when GWAR does it, but A7X just looks like a Hot Topic band–setting the trend.
I’ve seen UO and A7X in concert, I’m more partial towards UO. A7X just needs to lose the gimmick.
A7X has some talent, musically speaking, but their singer needs to realize he has an extremely limited range. Personally, I’m not really a fan of either band. It’s funny when people snipe at each other like this, though.
Both of those bands can die in a fire.
YES! I AGREE
both of you can die in a fire
While I do think the whole walking Hot Topic advertisement shit a lot of bands are doing now is pretty gay, it’s been happening at least since the 80s with hair metal bands. I guess the Underoath guy doesn’t realise just as many people buy music based on the image the band presents, and the image that goes along with listening to their music, as people buy the albums for the music itself? That’d be a hell of a disconnection from reality, though.
Avenged does indeed dress like a bunch of cheeseballs but I find it difficult to deny how technically good they are at writing and playing, having seen them live twice (although honestly, the live songs do not quite compare production wise to City of Evil or their s/t, because they definitely layer their guitars multiple times in the studio). If you really let what a band looks like (or their stage names) decide whether they are good or not, then that’s completly juvenile. I actually judged Avenged prior to hearing their music, and assumed it was emo/rock garbage, but after a friend forced me to give them a chance I’ve been hooked ever since (one of my all time favorite actually). Taught me a lesson, don’t let what bands are on the t-shirts of high school fags determine whether a band is good or not, you must listen for yourself.
As for Underoath, I’ve never listened to them, and as much as I would love to bash them for being a Christian band, I don’t think it’s any different from listening to someone like Dark Funeral who constantly praises Satan. I happen to LOVE black metal, as well as A7X, and many other obscure bands (I’m sure I’ve let at least a few Christian metal bands slip into my playlist on accident). Although I’d rather hear a band hail Satan, because its…well I dunno, evil and fun?
Anyhow, the dude bashing Avenged is a faggot for doing so, and definitely does not rack even remotely as much pussy as any member of Avenged, on any given night. He says it doesn’t matter “how many girls you can trick into thinking your band is cool,” but come the fuck on, who doesn’t love sweet, sweet pussy? It’s the best fucking thing in the world. This guy sounds jealous in that respect!
I’m actually surprised but how many people are siding with Avenged here.
Agreed, muff is awesome.
And yeah, it’s mad how many people are siding with A7X, I’ve the urge to listen to them now for the first time in ages.
avenged sevenfold > Shitty underoath
And Slipknot wear masks, and DEP jump around like rabid monkeys, and Metallica wore ripped jeans & tee shirts, and Priest wore leather, and math metal bands purposely use confusing time signatures, and Maynard sometimes never faces the audience, and Pearl Jam wore combat boots with shorts and flannel, and every new metal band doesn’t bathe or shave…I could go on.
Gimmicks. They’re all gimmicks. Who cares?
Metal Community, you all disappoint me.
Who the fuck cares about what they wear, believe, or look like!!
YOU continue these lame “fights” for no real reason.
It’s about the MUSIC!
You can connect with it, or not, that should be good enough.
Grow the fuck up.
As sad as it is, people, myself included, argue for a source of entertainment.
Fuck, modern life is dull.
I don’t wanna grow up…I’m a toyz-r-us kid…
I’ve only heard two songs combined from these bands
shit vs shit. who cares….
underoath went from from jesusy black metal to jesusy nu-metal, while avenged sevenfold went from obscure shit to succesful shit.
what a waste of space
Underoath is nu-metal? Have you even listened to them? At least educate yourself about a topic before you talk about it.
It doesn’t matter. Iron Maiden’s newest offering will bury both of these forgotten bands. Seriously.
A good friend of mine grew up in New Port Richey, where Underoath was originally from and even then he said they were on the goofy/religious side. Heh, I guess it has to run its course.
Up the irons!!
underoath quit warped tour because of NOFX which was quite possibly one of the best days ever
they quit after the chicago show, the day my band finished our leg on the tour.
and the previous year Avenged Sevenfold was amazing.
yes waking the fallen is an amazing album, city of evil was over the top ( i actually loved that one)
their new album even has its moments. but for tim to mouth about synester gates (brian haner) that way
that’s unbelievably hypocritical. they always preach about welcoming everyone for whatever they are.
some religious uptight bitch he is. fuck underoath, sevenfold buries them. but i agree with Jay.
Maiden’s new album will rape, pillage, destroy every other album this year.
with the exception of megadeth’s new album, which i cannot wait for
if only somebody would kick NOFX off the planet while we’re at it….
Not sure what all the hate towards city of evil is about… Fantastic guitar work and drum work almost moving toward tech / prog metal if it weren’t for that god awful singer… Just listen to the wicked end
Underoath has always sucked, Avenged Sevenfold has always sucked. Though I would definitely watch a video of both bands getting into a massive slap-fight, if only for the hilarity value.
Whatever. Both bands suck “moody monkey balls”. We all know that my Bakuan princess’ “make-up wearing strangely named gods of rock” band Avenged Sevenfold will slay them both like the puny communists-potato invaders that they are. And than, Avenged Sevenfold will store all their body parts over Jones’ Big Ass Truck Rental & Storage.
viva brazil, bitches
I second this
i thirds this. Avenged Sevenfold (five) are lashy cute though. remind me of nsync. with out the hair jell and all stinky. (BMW donuts time!!!)
these clowns are merely dust on the boots of old farts like maiden or heaven and hell anyway…
agreed.
both of you are tw*ts.
btw. i use “old farts” respectfully in this case…
respect u back my friend. respecting you back, my senior citizen friend. (i, of course assume)
are you trying to say that that A7X (man how does avenge sevenfold become A7X, anywho back to rant) are better than maiden or heaven and hell?
if so i can get some of the sweet weed your smoking or is it baked grilled chicken?
no no i’m not saying that. go have a potato f*cker.
what the hell brought that on, you have rage issues. No wait your just an A7X fan
i need me some of that fine fictitious and ironic chicken meat. where can i find it?
mccrackers: can you point my don Quixote mule in the right direction
EK: why the violent potato comments? wanna join me for a grillinator dinner? ;)
the thought of me knee going through your faceless head is making me have to shift my pants right now. :)
This is a good example of what Dallas Coyle talked about a while back—
shitty Underoath is sipping the Haterade in order to get more press and recognition to their band. (b/c obviously their music isn’t doing the job…)
Meanwhile, A7X go on sweet tours, put out new albums/concert DVDs and overall just make themselves look really cool and funny all the time without being too serious. They know what they are, and they do it well.
Haterade!… thats funny!! HAhahahaha! It’s like ‘Gatorade’ …cool!
Man, this anonymous internet shit is a hoot!
ha. Underoath vs. Avenged Sevenfold. I know many of the writers on this website don’t take them very seriously, as they don’t take many relatively popular mainstream metal bands seriously. But it’s “cute” that the Underoath guitarist acts like he can talk like he is a real metal band. A7X is not my favorite band and I don’t think any of their albums are particularly fantastic but there is no way in HELL that Underoath can even qualify as a metal band: he talks about the way they dress but if you actually see this maybe 5′6 tall canadian-looking shit wearing girl jeans choking up his 2 inch wiener and see him actually play his gibson sg, he is sorely, sorely outclassed in guitar skill and song composition by Zacky and Synyster. He seems to be unhappy that while he is slobbering over Jesus’s ballsack that the devil is treating Avenged Sevenfold pretty well, because their better.
underoath=fail
their better what?
i heard that some other guy plays all the solos for that hot topic mall metal band whose name i dare not repeat…
You heard wrong, buddy
ok lets stop fighting kids, cant we all agree that both of these bands moody monkey balls. Like come on there are a fuck ton of better bands around. Stop fighting and start listening to some badass metal!!!
come on peace and love and all that shit
P.S. A7X look like ass clowns (so does underoath but in a totally diff way) and I think they got there names from graffiti on the inside of a bath room stall in LAX.
I saw Underoath at last years Mayhem Fest, they were doing great until they announced they play in the name of Jesus. Then people lost interest.
I saw A7X a few years back at Ozzfest, and no one was interested in them until they played a cover of Pantera’s Walk. Then after everyone lost interest again.
Both suck, they both lose.
wow that’s effing hysterical. what a bunch of closet lesbians in disguise.
1. Whoever told him someone out there associates them with A7X was obviously joking because their Christian rock crap and whiney voices can’t compare to A7X’s sound. Any idiot can scream into the mic and be a wannabe SlipKnot/Machine Head,etc and try to call themselves “metal.” please. this coming from a christian group? *rolls eyes*
2. Don’t insult someone on their looks when your ugly face is shattered glass worthy. Talk about pot calling the kettle black. Some of the most successful and dearly loved bands have worn makeup:KISS, Metallica, Guns N’ Roses – to name a few. It seems to me that he’s upset that their “I want to look like I’m not trying” gimmick isn’t working – guess what gimmick doesn’t sell records. talent does. maybe they should think about singing about something that hasn’t been sung about before. we know what happened to christ. we know you love him. got it. done. what else is new?
take out the screaming and cut off the hair and we’ve got the fray ladies and gentleman. at least the fray doesn’t sound like their dicks are in a vice.
gimmick’s sell records – see manson record sales.
Also Metallica never wore make-up (apart from that load record sleeve which we dont like to talk about) and nether did GnR
Also if the fray put there dicks in a vice they would sound better than they do without said dicks in said vice.
Also I am lost – are saying that A7X are a bunch of closet lesbians in disguise or underoath? Im not sure both look like tools to me
false. both metallica and axl rose have worse eyeliner ie makeup.
underoath = lesbians.
and you would.
worn*
links to photos to back up said statements…we are waiting
also as noted the photos for load dont count because that was when metallica really started sucking as a profession (thats right metallica fanboys I said it so there – deal). So by that logic sure put on some make up and you will turn into a ginger tit or start sucking
“I saw A7X a few years back at Ozzfest, and no one was interested in them until they played a cover of Pantera’s Walk. Then after everyone lost interest again.”
My friend was there, and he said the same thing ha ha
But really, Underoath > Avenged Sevenfold
a7x has better musicians and occasionally good song writing
underoath has some catchy screamo-metalcore songs but fail in terms of talent. their drummer is ok
Both bands suck pure unadulterated ass. Regardless of beliefs, ideals, makeup or girls. They suck ass.
You know when you walk into your grandma’s house and there are two little yappy dogs there, and they both smell, take every opportunity to hump your leg and just generally annoy the fuck out of you?
Well that’s how I feel about both of these bands.
a7x!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
who the fuck is underoath?
Some bands talk shit on big bands to gain recognition. Just a theory.
amen.
both bands are terrible so i dont think this is news worthy to be honest
@Devin – Too bad Underoath has pretty much sold just as many, if not more, records than A7X
Now as far as I’m concerned, Underoath wins, always. They’re forward thinking(something even this site has recognized) and have a more solid discography. Avenged Sevenfold are indeed more talented musicians, but that doesn’t change the fact that they’ve never used that talent to make anything other than fairly good metalcore, a decent NWOBHM ripoff record, or to be the bastard child of Pantera and GNR that can’t even manage to be the best hard rock band out there.
Not to mention the members are just assholes. Say what you will about Underoath and their beliefs, but it’s rare they become preachy with them. At Mayhem, they made a point to mention they were there for Christ. They then followed that up by acknowledging that most people there probably didn’t want to hear that and that the band wasn’t there to try to change your mind nor did they think their beliefs made them better than anyone there, they merely want to let people know what drives their music and the reason they continue doing it and if you agree with that then great, but if not, just enjoy the music and have fun.
Underoath will always have my respect for being one of the few bands of their genre to make music that actually has some sort of depth to it. Avenged Sevenfold lost my respect a LONG time ago.
“Too bad Underoath has pretty much sold just as many, if not more, records than A7X”
Nay.
-Despite Underoath’s massive popularity with swoop haircuts of both sexes, they peaked sales wise with Define The Great Line in ‘06 and their latest record (aside from being AWFUL) didn’t sell nearly as well. City Of Evil has sold more records than the entire Underoath discography I would venture to say.
-I personally take issue to the fact that Underoath feel as if it’s mandated for them to make some comment about Jesus before they play a set, people came out to hear you play music, they’d have gone to church for the gospel. And not to split hairs here, but isn’t it a little out of character for such a devout christian as Tim Mctague to be standing on the podium bashing a fellow band?
-Metalsucks kind of left out the best part of this interview. Prior to the excerpt about A7X he had this to say;
” What’s popular, to a degree, is what pushed me to find something that isn’t popular for Underoath. Chiodos or Escape The Fate who do kind of the same thing — screaming and singing and whatever — do it their way, so we’re like, ‘let’s do it completely the opposite’ because we don’t want to be associated with them.”
-I think it’s smart to try and distance yourself from these flavor of the week bands you share a genre with, however, TRY SOUNDING FUCKING DIFFERENTLY FROM THEM OR PERHAPS NOT LOOKING LIKE THEIR BIZZARO CLONES.
-I hate a7x by the way, I’ve got plenty of respect for them as players, but I didn’t even like waking the fallen. Underoath on the other hand, I loved their first 2 records, and even enjoyed a handful of songs from the next 3 albums. But holy shit the new stuff is awful.
When you’ve got Christianity in your corner, you are ALWAYS right…and when someone calls you out on something, a pitying, smug look is always in order.
Then back to hating…
For some reason I actually like some of Underoath’s stuff, even though I’m more of a metal guy and Underoath are not metal by any stretch of the mind. They never say “oh we’re a metal band,” so I have no problem with it. Avenged Sevenfold, on the other hand, do. They have put out complete shit since Waking The Fallen. So which band do I think is better? The one who still makes good music. Which is Underoath.
They both suck.
can we all just get along. lol.
seriously now, who gives a shit about how lousy these two bands play? yes, lousy. They both need a pair of elephant sized walnuts in order to be even passable as good metal band.
but people, in the end is all about variety. some people out there like gororoth (sp?), others like A7X (retarded acronym) and some like the jesus turned to hate music of Underoarth (very creative name btw). its life. deal with it. not everyone is going to sound like your fav. band. so lighten up and get high or something.
Cause in the end, we all know its all about REO speewagon.
Correct spellings
-Gorgoroth
-Underoath
-REO Speedwagon
And judging from those three I don’t blame you for not even attempting to spell Avenged Sevenfold
And yes, it’s all about REO Speedwagon. Keep ridin’ the storm out!
Not every band chooses to look boring in their career, if you have a problem with individuality, why did they even start a band in the 1st place. Most people start a band to make music yes, but to get away from what the “normal” of the everyday routine.
Not every band can look the same, have the same ideas and go down the same path. WTF would become of music?
Hes just pissed cause his dick isnt nearly as wet as the other dudes.
Fuck Underoath, M. Shadows could kick the shit out of any of those emo fagots with one hand behind his back. I know A7X cause much controversy in the metal community but seriously would you rather a bunch of fags with emo haircuts singing about how much they love Jesus? Plus, A7X are very talented musicians.
“fags with emo haircuts” would describe those “very talented musicians” as well btw…
An angry Underoath fan I’m guessing?
nope, just an upright walking, anti jock/ anti-homophobe…
I wouldn’t call myself either of those, maybe it was childish to call Underoath “fags”. I’ll switch it to douche bags hahaha.
Both of these bands suck so what is the point
&
Who really cares what a band says to another? Does it really matter?
there are people here defending avenged sevenfold? Is this the right site?
next this underoath douche bag is gonna say names like Slash, Izzy, Duff, and Axl didnt matter either.
i like both bands. or well, liked. i love avenged sevenfold with all my heart, and i mean i know everyone has opinions and all, but i thought it was just kinda immature for that dude in underoath to be saying any of that about a7x. that just made me lose respect for the band, especially when a7x never did anything to do them.
Seconded. The only thing I can think about in these situations is how the other members of the band (In this case, Underoath) must feel. If this guy was in my band, and he said some shit like that, I’d kick his ass. Just more bad publicity for a band that really doesn’t need any with the amount of hate they get. Both have very good music, but A7X are obviously classier when it comes to being on record.
linh you sound like your 15 years old taking sad pics for your myspace
I’ll side with Underoath here. While flat irons aren’t exactly rock either, it’s certainly not as bad as glam mascara and eyeliner (A7x). I’ll admit that Underoath have lost far more metal street cred than a7x, but musically they’re by far more progressive and forward-thinking than a7x.
WHAT IS SO FORWARD THINKING ABOUT HORRIBLE WHINE VOCALS AND RIFFS YOU BORROWED FROM LEGIT BANDS? The last forward thinking they did was release cries of the past like 8 or 9 years ago, an album that can still stand with a lot of metal today.
In terms of songwriting, Underoath are always keeping things interesting. Can’t say the same about A7x. Or maybe you could enlighten me about them?
haha, I don’t think the fucking Illuminati could make an arguement for a7x writing interesting songs, they’ve never done anything i thought was pushing the envelope. But underoath is just fodder for the swoop haircut cannons of warped tour, and to me, that isn’t keeping things interesting.
does anyone else think that A7x’s singer sounds like he has a severe hearing problem on their first records? his voice is obnoxious.
Underoath has some good songs, but if i had to choose between an A7X song, excuse me, and older A7X song and an Underoath song, A7X takes it home
FUCK JESUS AND FUCK BOTH THESE FAGGY SHITTY BANDS.
arpeggios are fun to play!!! those who know what i’m talking about… know what i’m talking about!
i agree with myself on this one…
i’m gonna go ahead and agree with both of… my… selves on this one
that and i haven’t really come across an underoath song that’s challenging or even interesting to play
i mean… nothing against jesus or anything… he can probably write a bitchin tune
Yeah…I smell the bs from here, you have not listened to their new albums I am guessing.
that’s right… i said “bitchin”
I don’t mind avenged sevenfold every once in a while. they even impressed me when i saw them live during a festival. however, they are huge douchebags that try far too hard to look cool.
Underoath is okay for me.
If you like hardrock, you will probably dig KSE and A7x.(That’s what my friend said.)
The fact is, I freaking love KSE yet can’t get into A7x. :/
UNDER0ATH is awesome, listen to fucking Act of Depression the first album (minus the christness) and even the last 2 albums, super good, if you get over all the christian shit, and just listen to the music not caring what time its from, or who makes it, its awesome, A7x suck the money dick, all they do is dress up and show off how they can masturbate with guitars, which they practiced when they were not getting laid
isn’t the point to get laid >.> i mean both bands suck. but seriously Ax7 are just doing it to get laid. plus they are such a chick band. show me a female Ax7 fans room and it will have a papa roach (vomits in my mouth a lil) poster and MCR(throws up on my crouch) poster even a freaking fall out boy poster(vomits blood) and besides just because you can wank the guitar real good(yes i said “real good”) doesn’t make your songs or lyrics interesting. besides the point they need to get a new singer. and the only problem i have with under0ath is they shove Jesus down my throat. i listen to metal to escape you right wing republican Jesus freaks. so the moral of the story is don’t shove your beliefs down my throat and just cause you can play good doesn’t mean you always will sound good. besides Ax7 is such a chick band
Answer me this.
Who the fuck are you to bash two talented bands because of what they wear and how they act?
What the fuck in your mind gives you the right to say this bullshit about them?
Fuck people like you, you aren’t even worth the effort.
Avenged sevenfold= GARBAGE. Everything about this band sucks. Underoath is better in every aspect you could think of…. If you look at UO, a band with a positive message and lyrics that actually make sense, and then listen to that A7x crap…… you just might vomit. I know I did.
underoath sucks a penguins scrotum sack
A7X!
I have a feeling that back in school Avenged Sevenfold’s members were the jocks who were picking on the metal heads.
That’s what they always seem to me – jocks with tattoos.
I don’t hate either band.
their both bunch of little emo fags, but a7x has decent music at least. Neither of these bands are really that metal though.
First of all I’ve never listened to Underoath, so I can’t raise an opinion on their music, but… I am the hugest whore for Avenged Sevenfold so I suppose this at least entitles me to an opinon.
This reminds me of a gig I went to a while back, Hed PE got their knickers in a twist over the whole ‘emo’ scene, slagging off MCR on stage and starting a ‘Say no to emo!’ chant. Which was amusing.. (I have no love for MCR) but, the reason? Nobody played their songs anymore, nobody wanted to hear their opinions in magazines. Hed PE had basically fallen off the map… cue temper tantrum.
Avenged won’t care what Tim says, they do their own thing and they know that they have a loyal fanbase. The comments will only make fans of both bands perhaps question Underoath’s credibility. It’s just a cheap shot at publicitiy from a guitarist who nobody rates.
Gates can’t play guitar… next thing you’ll be telling me Lars can’t beat skins!
In passing I’d just like to commend this forum on it’s maturity. All I’ve seen on both band’s Myspace pages is mindless, poorly spelt, gibberish.
lars CANT play the drums… for a metal drummer hes EXTREMELY average
Firstly, he never said Gates couldn’t play. He said the name was dumb.
And secondly, No one ever rates Tim becuase he doesn’t play guitar solos in every song. underØATH is a very technical band, with few choruses, and very few verses. Lots of guitar riffs throughout their songs.
udnerØATH isn’t trying to get publicity. They don’t even play “radio friendly” music… A7X is very washed-up in my opinion
Lars actually can’t drum.He sucks.Even Hetfield said lars sucked.Read the playboy interview.Here is basically what he said “Lars sucked when we started metallica,and now he still sucks”.The only good drumming he did was on …And Justice for All and he can’t pull it off live.
I must point out that blazing guitar solo’s does not a great guitar player make neccesarily. Gates is a great guitarist though, but I see the point that the guitarist from underoath is making. AX7 is nothing new, original, or spectacular really, but they can play. I give the writing edge to underoath though, and if you don’t believe listen to their last two albums. They are two completely different styles of bands. Underoaths new stuff is much more layerd, composed, and soulful than anything AX7 has ever done. Just because they don’t have Verse, chorus, Verse, Chorus, bridge, solo, chorus in every song doesn not mean Underoath are lesser musicians. They have evolved a ton over the years, while in my opinion AX7 has sold out and sounds like Motley Crue rehashed. Underoaths compopses their albums and rights what they want to write, while AX7 gives the label what they want…redundant guitar solos and poppy songs.
You, sir are one of the few poeple that actually make sense here.
Thank you for keeping me sane.
Arguing about which AX7 album is the best is like arguing about which dog turd smells the best.
Oh…and JoJo…that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Lars has always been the Ringo of Metallica i.e. the least talented and least proficient at his instrument.
i love all these people defending one band or the other… they both blow, avenged being the band with better music, underoath being the less douchey
Lol I’m sorry.. I thought I’d mention a drummer you might have heard of… if you want officially awesome classic drummers I suggest you take a listen to Mick Fleetwood or Roger Taylor.
Which reminds me, seeing as we’re on the subject of Queen… Brian May = Legend (and one of Brian Haner’s main influences)
Jason.. watch your mouth. Being rude doesn’t make you any righter… besides it got Ringo the Thomas The Tank Engine gig!
Wow… Most of you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Half of you are judging a band by it’s religion, the other half taking about which A7X album sucked the most.
udnerOATH is my favorite band, and A7X is mediocre. Face it, they are i fact sell outs. I used to like them… but then, the cliche lyrics, and similar instrumentation in all songs… I stopped listening.
udnerOATH, on the other hand, the lyrics are VERY deep, and almost 60% have nothing to with Christianity at ALL… so people judging them….
Tim never said anythign about their talent. He just stated that The lyrics are piss poor, and their “gimmick” is a sad joke they use to get fans. How “cool” are you, when you can’t even you the name you were given by your parents…? It’s like Slipknot’s masks… really?
A7X is a highly talented band with many great aspects. The reason why people trash them all the time is because they do something different then the mass produced hardcore coming out today. They changed over time and matured like any band would do, that is if they dont want every album to sound the same. Underoath is just another crappy, religious, obnoxious, gods gift to humanity band. I do not care what A7X looks like or calls them selves. Its about the music. Underoath takes the easy way out become hardcore like every other band today, play it safe. They flat out suck…. and btw cole underoath was on MTV… aint they sell out you dumb shit… seems your an angst teen who gets pissed when bands become successful or get sick of play brutal fast music. Underoath is the same in every song. Breakdown and annoying high pitched vocals… and another breakdown and the the screams which make every other song sound the same.. get over yourself cole
MTV isn’t sell out you idiot. They played a show on MTV. Sell out is when you only play what the mass majority of civilization wants to hear. Like Fall Out Boy. And your’e telling me that underOATH’s songs all sound the same? Do you actually LISTEN to A7X? It’s all the same. Intro, Verse, Chorus, Verse, Bridge, Chorus, Guitar Solo (Outro). At least underOATH has variety. Why would i get pissed when bands become successful? underOATH is extremely successful. They don’t let it get to their heads. And underOATH has very few actual “breakdowns”
They didn’t take the easy way out. Metalcore wasn’t very popular in 1998. How could they know in 10 years that they would be on top of a very successful scene? Really. They do it for the music. A7X is about the money.
Well, at first, I hate to criticize one of my favorite bands that A7X is obviously, why the hell not do that … never had anything against Underoath, but now will not buy either one of those cd lesbians fucking hate ¬¬ now! Avenged Sevenfold is the best, and if you do not like to play as, or as they are or dress … it is not their problem, the better Look at your mistakes:)
I LOVE A7X!
The fuck did you just say? English, motherfucker, do you speak it?
This comment made my night
This is TOO important of a topic not to respond to…
I support the angry one.
Um, by looking at the numbers, avenged is selling a LOT more copies than underoath for those of you out there that want to argue the samantics of sales #s.
411:
most underoath records sold for a single album: ~500,000
most avenged records sold for a single album: ~1.5MM
total a7x records sold: 3MM++
total UO records sold: no where near that
let the numbers speak:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avenged_Sevenfold
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underoath
let the haters speak now about how copies sold don’t matter. this’ll be fun! ready……. GO! haha
Amen to that…I bet all those albums weren’t bought by little girls who though they were ‘cool’!
haha you think album sells matter,how funny.I’m betting you’re also a 13 year old girl.
28 bitch.. anything else smart to say?
A7X is infinitely superior to Underoath, it’s like comparing a day with metal+good weed+tasty snacks to a day without metal+good weed+tasty snacks!!!
A7X rocks. Underoath sucks go suck a dick underoath sounds like your singers balls never dropped.
There both hot topic shit bands, They both suck.
110% true.
TO MY VIEW, I DON’T HATE EITHER BAND CUZ I LIKE BOTH OF THEM BUT SERIOUSLY WE KNOW THAT A7X IS BETTER THAN UØ
FUCK THAT, GO WRITE A RECORD LIKE “Act of Depression ” AGAIN
AND THEN U CAN START MAKING FUN OF ANOTHER LAME BANDS
WE LOVE A7X!
A7X is a circus.
What’s worse is the MetalSucks guys live on their nuts.
I do think the Ø in UØ’s name is pretty gimmicky itself, though.
A7X is a very good group!
is better than Underouth!
Mmlle Shadows has reason!
WE LOVE A7X!
Syn Gates is better than TIM!
Tim need close his mouth! ;)
I have to admit, I really enjoy Waking The Fallen. I bought that album when it first came out, before the ridiculous publicity and guns n roses piracy and complete fabrication of an image and interviews where they’re writing about the drummer snorting fat lines of coke. They used to be a totally different band before they were famous. I remember reading almost nothing but rave reviews for WTF, from people who were into grindcore and black metal and shit. This one dude from Australia who was a total grindhead even went so far as to say it was the best metal album of the decade. Then they followed it up with two absolute atrocities against music and an arrogant, obnoxious attitude that’s clearly nothing but an attempt to push people’s buttons. Oh well, no use crying over a spilt band. If we all did that, the continued existence of Metallica would create mass floods all over the world.
Everything I’ve ever heard by Underoath is absolutely horrendous, at least as horrendous as what A7X is doing now. You’re both lame, and you’ve both outstayed your welcome.
I also gotta say, it’s not fair to hate on any hard rock musician for using a stage name. Alice Cooper, Bobby Blitz, Marilyn Manson, Rob Zombie, fuck even Ozzy Osbourne: all stage names. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Zakk Wylde, Dimebag Darrell, Corpsegrinder, come on EVERY BLACK METAL MUSICIAN EVER!! Can you imagine if every single Ozzy shirt said “John Osbourne” on it instead? If every Manson shirt said “Brian Warner”? I get it, the music of A7X no longer has substance and now they rely only on their image to sell records instead of their ability because they no longer have any ability. I’m just here to defend stage names.
Maybe Waking The Fallen was so good they used up all their Metal skils on it, and instead of selling their souls to Satan for Metal, as they should have done, they sold out.
And after all this has blown over, Underoath will still make amazing music. The End.
Well, avenged sevenfold is just gay marketed music. regardless of underoath being jesus freaks, there one of the most influential and talented screamo/post hardcore bands. So yeah underoath wins.
The guy from Underoath has a point,and underoath may not be great (in fact they suck) but “AX7″ are the biggest piece of shit garbage pop-rock not named Nickelback.They’re the worst type of over-marketed bullshit I can think of.They dress like faggots to.Walking was ok but everything else is a huge crock of shit.
Screw Avenged,they’re metal for the 14 year old preps who think that Slipknot is “the heaviest band on the planet” haha.
A compromise for all, both bands are mediocure. That is all there is too this dilemma.
avenged sevenfold = good charlotte so they fucking suck cock. terrible representation of metal.
as for who sold more records who the fuck cares doesnt make them a good band makes them pop radio bullshit.
listen to the changing of times by underoath is there best record anyway
I think to compare one to the other is a little ridiculous. Opinions are dependent on taste and how can you compare bands that have two different styles of song-writing and really are not even the same sub-genre of metal. Let’s compare Protest the Hero(current obsession) with Tool. Both progressive metal bands, but on the opposite spectrums of a sub-genre.
To say that either bands lyrics are generic is debatable. Avenged has some generic metal core lines, but Underoath does have some generic religious lines, and “deep” topics are reused often. (but really, what the hell hasn’t been done before?)
They are both different styles of song writing, but you could say that either band is repetitious in what they do and rely on a cookie-cutter recipe.
Chops speaking, Syn is far more proficient than anyone else involved. But in the same regard, Avenged’s collective vocal ability does not have the range of Underoath’s.
The bands both differ in vocal and guitar styles though, so again, a real comparison is impossible.
Both bands rely on gimmicks and specific “looks” that really aren’t for me.
I personally think Avenged puts on a better show, but Underoath was nothing to scoff at.
I do believe that Tim was completely out of line trashing another band. Even if your not particularly fond of someone, it’s really no excuse to have the lack of decency and respect for a fellow musician to trash what they do. Especially coming from someone who believes what he claims to believe. Pretty fucked up.
I like both bands, doesn’t really which I prefer. Honestly, we’re fucking metal heads, we pride ourselves on our unswayable opinions.
Keep it fuckin’ metal.
Best comment on this whole thread. Thank you.
“Underoath was doing just fine at Mayhem Festival last year until the lead singer said “We’re here in the name of Jesus Christ”. After that the energy deflated”
AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
A7X pales in comparison to Underoath in every aspect except their guitar work. Underoath isn’t meant to be a shredding, guitar-riff kinda band. What Underoath is meant to do is invoke passion and awe in the listener, which is something they still to do me thousands of plays later.
And where do you guys get emo from?
http://headbangersblog.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/underoatlbl808.jpg
^^ if anything at all, they look disheveled and almost destitute.
I hold Underoath as close to my heart as anything in this world. It takes a lot for a band to do that, something that is unprecedented in this world, something that A7X could never hope to achieve.