POLL: WHICH CURRENT METAL TREND NEEDS TO DIE A HORRIBLE, BLOODY DEATH?
Wednesday, June 3rd, 2009 at 1:30pm by Vince NeilsteinMetal trends come and metal trends go. In these Webernet-enriched times it happens faster than ever before. Whereas we used to have two or three loose sub-genres of metal cooking at any given time, now we’ve got tons of ‘em — some good, some not so good. So, in the current metal landscape, what micro-genre most needs to be obliterated from the world’s collective hard drives? Vote below then mouth off in the comments.
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What’s the difference between “Sumariancore” and “Deathcore”?
sumerian is more technical and/or proggressive
All of the above?
You beat me to it.
And me.
Alas, you beat me, too.
yep, me too
and me
And me…
I have a feeling that this will be a no contest. I had a hard time choosing between Screamo-Crunk and Rap-Metal revival, because as far as the “music” goes it is essentially the same thing just wrapped in a bit of a different package.
as much as I hate tech death and deathcore, I’m going to have to say Screamo-Crunk. Kill that shit now please.
I still don’t know how this screamo-crunk shit is considered metal????
Ya isn’t it just emo for fucktards.
‘Emo for fucktards’ is a step up for this lame-ass shit.
what the hell is “re-thrash” and “sumariancore”?
and i thought the modern thrash rebirth consisted of bands like lamb of god, trivium, devildriver, and chimaira, (if you call them metalcore or nu-metal i will smite thee because they have way more in common with bands like pantera or sepultura than anything you can call metalcore/nu-metal)
so if this is the case and these bands represent “re-thrash” then why should they go away?
I believe re-thrash is the new group of bands playing pretty much old school thrash, bands like Warbringer and Lazarus AD. LoG and Trivium are usually throw in the New Wave of American Metal category, which splits into various things I guess. I’m not a categorization expert but I think that’s the difference.
yeah that makes sense. i actually had lazarus ad in the back of my mind when i was writing that.
so it seems to be that its two different genre names for the same genre pretty much. ive always thought of LOG and devildriver as just an evolved version of thrash.
I get the impression what you think of as thrash is not what most of us would consider thrash, your examples of Pantera and Sepultura being case in point. Thrash has always been the label attached to bands from the 80s, like Exodus, Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, Testament, Overkill, etc. Pantera and Sepultura came later and, though undoubtedly heavily influenced by thrash, would probably not fall into the thrash sub-genre.
Pantera and Sepultura are considered groove metal ( gayesst genre name ever) as are all of mike previosly mentioned bands
your dead on in my assessment of what i consider thrash and what everyone else would.
i just seriously hate everyones compulsive need to create a genre for every single band on the planet.
seriously though? is there any other bands in the “nintendo” metal genre other than dragonforce?
i know most people probably just call them “power metal” but i have actually seen them labeled “nintendo” metal.
it also bugs the shit out of me that a lot of bands that they put a new label on would sound exactly the same as the band that came before them if there were even minimal variations to their sound.
a band comes along in a particular genre, strays(but not all that far) from what is typical in that genre in an attempt to sound at least a little inventive and original , and everyone feels the need to create an entirely new genre for that band.
i just dont get it. pantera and sepultura just seem more like a new spin on an old idea than something completely original.
and instead of just calling a band “death” metal, it has to be “tech-death” or “deathcore”
NECROPHAGIST IS GODDAMN DEATH METAL!!!!!!!
AND SO IS MICHAEL BOLTON!!!!!!!! wait……..what!?
Whilst success was most prominent in the 90’s ,in fairness:
Pantera and Sepultura both came out of the 80’s.
Metal sucks must be just a couple hundred comments shy of having the most blog comments ever, because collecting comments through the naysaying and the argueing is all that this post is going to achieve.
Let me just say that for better for worse, and whether you listen to bands of those genres or not, ALL of those genres can be classified under the umbrella of “extreme music”. I do not really believe that trendy extreme music exists, because no matter how popular any genre is at any point, an extreme music genre will never be understood by a mainstream audience meaning the bulk of the bands are generally indiependant. Thus an extrememe music band will only be as popular as to the amount of work it puts in.
And writing, performing, recording, promoting, and touring toghether is a gruelling process. And it is for this that whether I listen to music from one of the genres listed above or not I still respect them and their subjective audience, for those bands are made of people who honestly and legitmately (MUST) love what they do. and I say good for them.
We live in selfish times. People only want to hear what they have grown to like and not stray from it. It is a pity that even metal has been turned into a product by its own fans. People look at a new band and listen to see if it meets their own personal qualifications and criteria, but that is not how it should be. Music is art, and it is up to the audience to try and understand the artist, not the other way around. Perhaps if that was the case for the majority, trends would be eliminated forever.
I’d say you’re right in that these “trends” never become mainstream; however, you can have these sort of “micro-trends” within an underground community. If you don’t think that “deathcore” is a trend within the metal/ hardcore (or extreme music, if you prefer) community, then you’re just not paying attention.
The truth is, record labels try to follow these trends and profit off of them; the bands themselves are usually not in it just for money or popularity, but they are often simply mimicking the music they like and are truly passionate about, and when that music fits a perceived trend by the record labels, the record labels pick them up, resulting in an explosion of bands that often play all too similar music. I don’t think that that means as fans, critic, consumers, etc we should not cry foul for having too much of the same crammed down our throats.
Now, a band like brokencyde… I dunno, it’s hard for me to see any real passion in what they do; I think they just like the attention.
You make a very good point. Of coarse no matter what the business is, it is all still a business and the point for a business is to make money. And yes there are plenty of branching bands that exist to play for their friends and to possibly try to get on a record label on the coat tales of truly influential bands. But in retrospect they go away rather quickly and don’t really do much harm.
I’m reminded of a deathcore band I stumbled upon on youtube who will remain nameless for they do not deserve the publcity. Suffice it to say, just by their name it was only painfully obvious that they were directly copying Doom era, JFAC and it was such a ripoff that it was obscene, but the fact is I am sure even if I told you their name you would have never heard of them because they victims of their own lack of creativity.
At the same time however, metal in general is much more popular, and labels are much more obliged to give new bands the polished 5 star treatment. That may or may not be due to the label attempting to capitalize on a trend, or just because they already have the funds to give a band the break that the label so forth feels they deserve. In certain respects I believe that many people, especially the more old school metal head’s sometimes misinterpret a band being crammed down people’s throats, when in reality such band is just getting a lucky break.
Screamo isn’t “extreme music.”
too bad we could only pick one
While I am loathe to describe screamo-crunk as metal, because the only thing it has in common with metal is the screaming, I had to vote for it. It is, quite simply, one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard, bar none, and it needs to go away now.
the fact that you even consider screamo-crunk a metal trend, is annoying
fuck
how could anyone want to get rid ot tech death?? assuming that tech death means bands like necrophagist and the likes???
I consider most bands of the tech-death variety to be boring, bland and soulless. I’m sure that makes me an asshole, but it’s how I see it. Not to take away from their talent at all, as I recognize the skill involved, I just get bored listening to it. Obviously, it’s far from the worst on this list.
i agree, tech death blows chunks…its boring and the people who playit are pathetic losers, way too into themselves cuz they can play fast. big whoop. can youdo anything else?
I love me some tech death, but it is very hit or miss, and can even be soulless. I think a good example is Obscura, they do more than simply ‘play fast’, and the more I listen to them the more I pick up on whats going on. But some other bands, like Meshuggah, I think are pretty damn boring. They seem to be tech for simply the sake of playing something difficult without any regards to how any of it sounds. I know I’ll get flamed for that, but no matter how many times I try their stuff, I end up simply bored with it.
Cant say ive ever heard of beardcore or Sumeriancore but im totally gonna say scremo crunk
The obsessive need to categorize music never ceases to amaze and annoy me. What a waste of breath discussing the nuances of which sub-sub-sub-genre band X belong to. Even worse is when a band is douchey enough to proclaim their own ultra-obscure category allegiance. I draw a hazy around Metal, and even then it is hard to say what is and isn’t with some bands. All that being said- it is an extreme rarity that anyone can successfully bring metal and hip-hop together.
How anyone could possibly believe technical death metal is much worse than deathcore is beyond me.
I agree that some deathcore bands actually have good brutal riffs to some of their songs,but they ruin these moments by adding in far too many breakdowns,and they forget to eliminate the weaker riffs that sometimes last for about 1/3 of the song.These two negative elements kind of ruin the little actual talent in there.
I can think of maybe ONE good deathcore band,and that would be Diluvian,french band on Deepsend Records.Songs like ”You’re Wretched” and ”Inhumanity Remains” are actually the only deathcore songs I can listen to without cringing.
When it comes to technical death metal,I think it has paved the way for many deathgrind and brutal death metal bands to actually exist.Bands like Death and Monstrosity are amongst the first tech death bands that ever existed,and without these bands,some that you know and worship today probably wouldn’t be playing music.
Think about it.
nice name.
To the guy who listed Pantera and Sepultura as examples of thrash:
The fact that you listed Pantera as thrash tells me that you don’t know what thrash is. They were NEVER thrash.
Sepultura, on the other hand WAS once a killer thrash band (Morbid Visions,Schizophrenia,Beneath the Remains,Arise) but then mophed into a groove/nu- metal band and are currently a hardcore/thrash band.
The fact that you mentioned them along with pantera tells me that you’ve most likely only heard post-Arise Sepultura…. do your self a favor and pick up Schizophrenia or Beneath the Remains to find some great examples of energetic, primal thrash perfection.
dude, dont dissect things down to dumb terms like that….sepultura was thrash all the way to roots. ans grouping them in with pantera makes sence, considering phil and dime used to join sepultura on stage and play several songs together. theres no shame in grouping the two.
did you read my later post?
im saying its retarded to create an entirely new genre to compensate for trivial differences in a bands sound from it to the next to the one before. why cant most of these bands just be metal?
pantera, sepultura, megadeth, necrophagist, cradle of filth, dragonforce,suffocation-ALL METAL.
well, dragonforce actually being metal is very open to debate but i think you get what im saying.
What revival? If Anthrax isn’t a part of it, there is no revival.
I’m guessing Beardo is IWABO type of gayness. Death to that.
# Deathcore
# Screamo-Crunk
# Rap-Metal revival
# Beardo/Hipster Metal
& Sumeriancore
They all need to die.
ay, what’s beardo metal?
I’ll have to say down with rap-metal revival and screamo crunk.
I was curious about this myself. I can’t even name one band in most of these alleged “categories.”
every time i die…
they need to die.
they are as beardo hipster as it gets…..
with a hint of screamo-crunk.
but every time I die don’t have beards…?
beardo/hipster metal would include ISIS, High On Fire, Baroness, The Sword,Mastodon, Neurosos and a lot of bands that Decibel features…all of which I love dearly. Not the most flattering name, but that’s what some kids are calling it.
why can we only pick one. the only trend that hgasn’t produced unbelievably horriblr music is re thrash beacuse bands like warbringer and lazarus ad can definitely play some good shit. everything else just makes my ears bleed.
toxic holocaust, destroyer 666, municipalwaste, they all make good shit to.
what happened to the ‘all of the above’ option?
“It stinks! It stinks!”
“Yes Mr. Sherman…everything stinks.”
Re-Thrash, Screamo-Crunk, Rap-Metal,, and Beardo metal (WTF?) all need to die.
Most of deathcore should die.
i cant understand how screamo crunk got so many votes.
this is clearly the genre of the future: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlsW_LMrVSE
HAHAH
i bet those dudes/chicks are rolling in the money laughing their fat rich assess off.
considering they can make a song within 2 minutes and then sell to millions of pop zombies…
this shit isnt even invading the(my) metal scene, so why is everyone worrying?
me thinks they are scared of screamo-crunk.
back in the day we would just punch what we didnt like.
Wait, there’s a rap-metal revival?
I voted for scream-crunk. But seriously, i didnt know theres a rap metal revival going on…
You are all splitting hairs.
Screamo-Crunk. Two already shitty genres and put them to make the biggest piece of shit ever.
The listed ‘Metal’ trends are really just pop trends, silly teen emos are the only ones who listen to crap like that. They dont listen to any real Metal. It will all just fade with time.
@ mike I think Horse the Band was the first band to be labled nintendo Metal.
i vote: an end to all this semantical nonsense. no more sub-categorizations of metal.
It’s the people who get denied the lable of Heavy Metal who come up with the ’sub-categorizations of metal’ in an attempt to bask in the glory of true Metal.
yes, but not always. vince (i think) made sumeriancore.
Um yeah all of the above really should be a choice.
There’s a Rap-Metal revival?
Wouldn’t Municipal Waste and Toxic Holocaust fall into the “Re-thrash” catagory? If so, not only does it not need to die, it needs to thrive and become more popular.
“Screamo-Crunk” has nothing to do with metal, and should therefore be ignored.
That said, fuck deathcore and all those trendy faggots.
Put in another breakdown.
Other than a Limp Bizkit reunion, I was unaware of a rap-metal revival. Eh?
all of the above EXCEPT screamo crunk. brokencyde/hollywood undead ftw
You sir, definitely made my day with that last Waking The Cadaver post on Metal Inquisition.
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I love alot of different metal bands from alot of different genres, but i think the over classification of metal is completely absurd.
heres my take on things
these top tier deathcore bands have potential to be great, but the definitive characteristic of deathcore is a corny gimmick. Lessen the breakdowns, and it essentially becomes groovier death metal.
Same thing with alot of tech death bands: Alot of talented players, solid bands, but some sort of strange adherence to lame gimmicks keeps these guys from being truly great. Who the fuck cares if you can sweep at 250bpm if you cant write a fucking hook? The insane speed wouldn’t be bad if these guys had phrasing, but instead they just go up and down a scale as fast as they can. You can really tell the solo is nothing but an afterthought. If they scaled back the corny chopfest in the riffs, it wouldn’t be too bad. In fact, it would probably be closer to-surprise!- just slightly more technical death metal.
What i’m getting at is that people need to start looking at new ways to keep metal fresh without going completely over the top. Since metal’s beginning, it has always relied heavily on pedal tones (chugs) to create its percussive atmosphere.
Nearly 25 years after its inception, people concluded that THEY NEEDED EVEN MORE CHUGGING?l honestly, to me, that just seems fucking stupid.
One of metal’s earliest characteristics was the raw intensity and anger conveyed by the music. When metal becomes so technical that it loses sight of dynamics, feel, vibrato, and phrasing, it’s not metal anymore. The people playing it are closer to technicians than anything else. its just a bunch of technicians who have decided they want to build a gigantic dick-stroking machine.
You may have noticed that I pointed out that i think both of these genres would work better merely as death metal. why stop there? Why not strain the cliches from our music even further? We allow ourselves to rehash the same 20 year old riffs over and over again and then add a brand new part that consists of chugging EVEN MORE?! AND THEN WE WONDER WHY JAZZ MUSICIANS DONT TAKE US SERIOUSLY?!
I propose that we stop treating metal like fucking ice cream flavors, come together, and simply play metal again, just like we used to do. If we work together and come together under a single united banner, there’s no telling how great metal could become.
Is there anybody listening? or are you guys about to discredit everything i say because i listen to fucking symphonic blackened crunkcore instead grinding war metal with a folk edge?
we better evolve soon, or else metal is going to go the way of the dinosaurs.
While I somewhat agree that there is some overclassification of genre’s, I think you’ve confused Tech Death with power metal bands like Dragonforce. Tech death isn’t about speed, altho some bands are up tempo, but that doesn’t describe them all and isn’t really tech.
You make a valid point, but i still think that alot of the smaller nuances are sometimes lost in tech death. don’t get me wrong, though, i still like alot of tech death bands, I just think they could be a lot better if they really explored the space abit more
why isn’t adding the suffix “core” to every sub-genre of metal on the list? I would totally vote for that…
I hate the fucking SCREAMO CRUNK EMO SHIT and why that shit is considered metal anyway????
Screamo-Crunk doesn’t exist. Maybe like a handful of bands exist. Besides, Deathcore is way more prevalent. It’s should be erased and burned out of history. It’s pretty much a genre that is not radical enough to be death metal and super way to gay to be hardcore. Plus most the bands with the Deathcore label aren’t even hardcore or even hardcore influenced. It’s the fucking cock munching high school scenesters on the internet tagging an album by Carnifex as Deathcore, when in fact they have no true hardcore influences. Nor do the fucking neon green pants wearing scenesters. Real hardcore bands don’t have breakdowns, so don’t even attempt with a response of, “Well they have breakdowns, so they are hardcore.” You incompetent, ill informed, trend following, chug chug guitar ejaculating 16 year olds.
Cooke Monster vocals and rap-metal need to die. Now.
Yeeaaaaaahhhhhhhhggggrrrrrrrrr! Iiiiii aaaaaahhhhhhgreeeeeeeuuuuuh!
Who’s reviving rap metal? I must be out of the loop.
I say kill the hipsters. Tell those fools that there are metal bands out there outside of Mastodon and Isis (not knocking those bands, I like them both).
Hollywood Undead
in that case… kill it, kill it NOW
totally off topic: how do you not mention Trent Reznor calling Marilyn Manson a dopey clown?
http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/06/02/trent-reznor-says-marilyn-manson-has-become-a-dopey-clown/
How about the trend of starting a metal blog to do nothing but feed the throngs of idiot, so called metal heads who’s only joy in life comes from shit talking bands that they “think” they don’t like?
I’d really like to see an end put to that trend.
Hipster metal? Are you still beating that drum? Must be an American thing.
Good to see not too many votes for Deathcore. There ARE good bands in that genre.
Hipster/”beard” metal. It’s just retarded. Screamo-crunk isn’t what I consider metal (nor crunk, really, it’s a bunch of thin-skinned West Coast bitch kids moaning about their “horrible lives” more than anything – emo, without the black, I guess), rap-metal can be tolerable (I like Primer 55, fuck you), deathcore is already dying slowly, tech-death isn’t horrible, and re-thrash isn’t really popular enough to be bothered about right now.
Of course no one votes for the worst offender of all of these, the creative wasteleand that is tech–death.
LAME.
brOOtal wigger slamz!!!
haha word
gimme a solo that doesnt look like they tossed darts at a scale chart to pick the notes
i dont think screamo crunk needs to go away because theres not a lot of overlap between that scene and people who go see GOOD bands, however when you have to sit through 5 tech death bands or 5 deathcore bands that sound exactly the same and are opening for someone decent, it can be depressing
here’s my take:
Deathcore as a whole is pretty bad, but consider how shitty most NWOBHM was. by shitty i of course mean, samey, repetitive, and uninspired. now consider how amny good bands came out of that wave… yeah. i am POSITIVE there are going to be some great bands that rise out of the deathcore wave, we just need to ride the trend out. to be honest i think most of those bands will probably BE from Sumerian.
speaking as a hardcore fan of old school black and death, and i mean entombed, emperor, and nifelheim, there is something In Deathcore that i have not heard in metal before much at all: a pop sensibility wihtout being remotely radio friendly. and THAT is a good thing. these tech death bands need to learn how to write hooks and choruses and marry it with their heaviness.
anyone who wrote beardcore is obv. dumb. anyone dissing on the thrash revival is also obviously dumb.
let’s be honest the screamo thing is the ONLY correct answer.
Sumeriancore will imrpove. give it two or three years and i guarantee you born of Osiris and The faceless will be something for american metalheads to be proud of.
also: bravo on the groove IS thrash debate. i agree.