#11: DEFTONES – WHITE PONY

21 Best Metal Albums of the 21st Century... So Far

#11: DEFTONES – WHITE PONY

Monday, June 22nd, 2009 at 5:00pm by MetalSucks

SPECIAL GUEST BLOGGER CARLOS RAMIREZ OF NOISECREEP AND UNIVERSAL MUSIC GROUP

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We recently polled a wide array of musicians, managers, publicists, label reps, and writers from within the world of metal to find out what they thought the 21 Best Metal Albums of the 21st Century So Far have been. Eligible albums were released between January 1, 2000 and April 1, 2009. Each panelist turned in a ballot, with their #1 album worth 21 points, their #2 album worth 20 points, and so on and so forth. The ballots are now in and we’ll be counting down one album a day until we reach #1. Today we present the #11 album, coming in with a total of 162 points…

Deftones, White Pony (Maverick, 2000)

Chino Moreno — Vocals, Guitars
Stephen Carpenter — Guitars
Chi Cheng — Bass
Abe Cunningham — Drums
Frank Delgado — Sampling, Electronics
Produced by Terry Date and Deftones

1999 was the year that the Deftones truly created their own little universe. Their first two albums, Adrenaline (1995) and Around the Fur (1997), were both chock full of bombastic guitars, new wave kissed vocal lines, and post-hardcore informed arrangements and their wide-scoped sound helped the Sacramento, CA band find audiences in various facets of the underground music scene. After taking a break from a tour supporting the gold-selling Around the Fur, the group got into their rehearsal space to work on the material which would become their third album.

The new songs pulled from the same left-of-center influences that they had always pulled from but on an entirely different scale. Released in 2000, White Pony was a revelation in sound and vision. This is the album where the Deftones hone in on the quieter, more subtle side of their sonic palette. “RX Queen” features some of the band’s most pop leaning vocal melodies but they’re wrapped in a jittery and often discordant sonic envelope. The buttery glitch of “Teenager” wouldn’t have sounded out of place on a Massive Attack album, but Chino Moreno’s quivering vocal performance pushes and pulls the song into something completely fresh and truly vital.

Even though the Deftones were experimenting with wild abandon, that doesn’t mean they don’t bring out the heavy artillery. “Digital Bath” buzzes with a hypnotic rhythmic refrain during the verses but then explodes with sheets of over-distorted guitars coming off like a twisted blend of The Cure’s atmospherics and the muscle of Godflesh in the matter of seconds. “Korea” and “Street Carp” are savage in their approach and appealed to even the most staunch metalhead fan who couldn’t deal with the group’s changing sound.

Nine years later, White Pony still stands arms and shoulders above most metal/hard rock albums that have come out in its wake. Though the Deftones have released two fine albums since, even they have been working in the shadow of WP. The band suffered a tragic setback last year when bassist Chi Cheng slipped into a coma after a car accident, but the band has soldiered on with Sergio Vega of Quicksand and Absolution fame filling in for the time being. Their next album, Eros, will be released sometime in 2009 so we’ll have to wait to see if they deliver the goods again. The collection was produced by Terry Date (Prong, Pantera), who also helmed White Pony, so we expect great things.

-Carlos Ramirez

Download White Pony from Amazon

THE LIST SO FAR:

#12 – Tool, Lateralus

#13 – Mastodon, Blood Mountain

#14 – System of a Down, Toxicity

#15 – Nachtmystium, Assassins: Black Meddle, Part 1

#16 – Machine Head, The Blackening

#17 – Hatebreed, Perseverance

#18 – Lamb of God, New American Gospel

#19 – Mastodon, Remission

#20 – Shadows Fall, The War Within

#21 – Slipknot, Vol. 3: The Subliminal Verses

THE PANEL OF VOTERS

Chris Adler, Lamb of God
Dan And, Bison B.C.
Ben Apatoff, Apatoff for Destruction/Metal Injection
Jason Bittner, Shadows Fall
Tim Brennan, Ferret Music/Channel Zero Entertainment
Freddy Cai, Painkiller Magazine
Ian Christe, Bazillion Points
Reverend David J. Ciancio, Yeah! Management
Betsey Cichoracki, Relapse Records
Paul Conroy, Ferret Music/Channel Zero Entertainment
J. Costa, Thy Will Be Done
Dallas Coyle, ex-God Forbid/Coyle Media
Doc Coyle, God Forbid
CT, Rwake
Anso DF, MetalSucks/Hipsters Out of Metal!
Vince Edwards, Metal Blade Records
Charles Elliott, Abysmal Dawn/Nuclear Blast Records
Brian Fair, Shadows Fall
Leo Ferrante, Warner Music Group
D.X. Ferris, author 33 1/3: Reign in Blood/Freelance Journalist
Mike Gitter, Roadrunner Records
Nick Green, Decibel
Matt Grenier, August Burns Red
Anthony Guzzardo, Earache Records
Kevin Hufnagel, Dysrhythmia
Mark Hunter, Chimaira
Steve Joh, Century Media
EJ Johantgen, Prosthetic Records
Kim Kelly, Metal Injection/Hails & Horns/Freelance Journalist
Josh “The J” Key, Psychostick
Jason Lekberg, Epic Records
Eyal Levi, Daath
Bob Lugowe, Relapse Records
Matt McChesney, The Autumn Offering
Jake McReynolds, Psychostick
Marc Meltzer, The Syndicate
Josh Middleton, Sylosis
Matt Moore, Rumpelstiltskin Grinder
Vince Neilstein, MetalSucks
Sammy O’Hagar, MetalSucks
Anton OyVey, MetalSucks/Bacon Jew
Rob Pasbani, Metal Injection
Alex Preiss, Psychostick
Carlos Ramirez, NoiseCreep/Universal Music Group
Brian Rocha, Fresno Media USA
Jeremy Rosen, Roadrunner Records
Axl Rosenberg, MetalSucks
Satan Rosenbloom, MetalSucks/Cerebral Metalhead
David Bee Roth, MetalSucks
Jason Rudolph, Heavy Hitter, Inc.
Amy Sciarretto, Roadrunner Records/NoiseCreep
Carl Severson, Ferret Music/Channel Zero Entertainment
Gary Suarez, MetalSucks/No Yoko No/Brainwashed
Geoff Summers, The End Records/Crustcake
Bram Teitelman, The Syndicate/Metal Insider
Alisha Turull, Heavy Hitter, Inc.
Christopher R. Weingarten, 1000TimesYes/Freelance Journalist

Tags: 21 Best Metal Albums of the 21st Century... So Far, deftones,

Kye

Bahahahahahah all hell is about to break loose

FUCKYOU!!

This list is a huge motherfucking disappointment after disappointment, fuck you and your list metal sucks!
Uglymicrowave

All the other entries were understandable…I mean this is one of my favorite records of all time…

but no way in hell do EVEN I consider this metal…

Are You guys serious…?

there S/T could be considered metal….but this?!..holy fuck!!!!

yanky

i defended every album till this one

i officialy quit giving a flying fuck about this list

no wonder machine head was so low
they needed space for this crap

i bet these fuckers are so stupid that they will skip pantera
and put in linkin park

Cisco

While Reinventing the Steel was, IMO pretty effin good. I cannot classify it as a contender of 21 Best Albums of the 21st Century.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8345/outside21.jpg Revrant

In fucking sane.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8345/outside21.jpg Revrant

And not in the good way.

Fuck.

The Roan

dont worry revrant, i made sure disturbed was in the top 5 :)

p.s. i missed you

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8345/outside21.jpg Revrant

That would be hilarious.

The Roan

it really would

EricCartman

wtf?

Deaner

screw you guys, I’m going home…

Lord Bling

Okay, ha ha ha. Joke’s over. You can post the real #11 now.

There’s a storm a brewin’….
Miroslav

Hahaha! I knew it!
http://metallattorney.blogspot.com shadowking86

Are you fucking kidding me?
Ziltoid

Do I have to do this all over again?

XFD

groverXIII

For once I’m not going to argue with you… :D

Mitch

Me neither, man.

http://www.myspace.com/437666934 Noel

ya, i think we all finally agree with you zoltan…er, i mean ziltoid.

key

seriously,

this might as well be “21 albums that are sorta decent and mostly aren’t that metal but top rock radio and shit” list.

you should have kept the “this list is horse shit” subtitle. because this list is like 9/10 horse shit.

fuck, put chickenfoot on there so at least you’ll get a collective shrug instead of a unified chorus of “fuck you.”
Jimmythefoot

Wtf ?? This list is over

Bob

this list is UNDER

Ziltoid

ZILTOID’S TOP 21 ALBUMS OF THIS CENTURY! And I’m including everything released to this day, because there’s one released this April that’ll be here:

Kamelot – The Black Halo
Arcturus – The Sham Mirrors
Impaled – Mondo Medicale
Meshuggah – Nothing
Symphony X – The Odyssey
Devin Townsend – Accelerated Evolution
Tyr – Eric the Red
Mercenary – 11 Dreams
Strapping Young Lad – Alien
Mercenary – The Hours that Remain
Cynic – Traced in Air
Theocracy – Mirror of Souls
Anubis Gate – Andromeda Unchained
Vortech – Posthumanism
Primordial – To The Nameless Dead
Amon Amarth – With Oden on Our Side
Dark Tranquillity – Fiction
Suidakra – Emprise to Avalon
Windir – 1184
Augury – Concealed
Ne Obliviscaris – The Aurora Veil

I guess that’s a decent list off the top of my head (and I’m not ranking them). I would add Ulver’s “Blood Inside,” since it’s a fantastic album, but it’s not one of Ulver’s metal albums. There’s a lot of different sounds in there, and they’re all excellent metal albums. But this list also shows that past decades were much better for metal, with some of the older veterans releasing not-top-21 material this century.

Jimmythefoot

/agree with dark tranquility and amon amarth
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8345/outside21.jpg Revrant

So, everything that has you thrashing around like an earthworm with no sense of melody, rhythm, or meaning.

Lord Bling

I like Obzen a little better than Nothing, although Nothing is probably a more consistent record. Otherwise, I back a few of your picks, especially Accelerated Evolution. Not really ‘heavy’ but a great album nonetheless. Same with Traced in Air … my favorite album of last year.

http://dmxrr15@hotmail.com IsntaTOTALdouchebag10

I agree that Obzen should be on here at some point. Ziltoid, you name a lot of great albums, cant argue that at all. But we obviously need to agree to disagree on our definition of Metal as a whole.
Ziltoid

I liked ObZen, but it didn’t really do anything that Meshuggah hadn’t done before. It has some great moments, but “Nothing” just feels more refreshing and consistent to me. And I’m glad to see some love for Devy and Cynic. Most of my list really isn’t that brutal (Mercenary, Kamelot, SymX, etc.), but they’re still excellent albums.

Lord Bling

I hear you about obZen … and maybe I was just glad to see them return to form after Catch 33. Still though, ‘Combustion’ is one of the best songs they’ve ever written, IMO. Also, Devy is a genius. Ocean Machine could very well be my favorite album of all time. I posted my top ten of the decade near the end of the Tool thread, and I think you’d agree with some (although by looking at your list, you’d probably think it’s too mainstream). Oh, and yes to that Amon Amarth record. My favorite of theirs, and it’s great ‘commute’ music.

Wait, aren’t we supposed to be flaming the list judges right about now? :) I’ll leave that to the rest of you capable folks. I’m not sticking around this time.
Ziltoid

Yes, Ocean Machine is amazing (and my favorite of his). I like some of your choices (Opeth and Isis are certainly good enough, even though I’m personally indifferent to both). It did seem a bit mainstream, but better than pretty much all of the MS list. And the Amon album is quite god to commute to. I hated their new album, but WOooS was excellent.

I’m bored of flaming the judges. They obviously don’t know what they’re doing (and I’m not really that surprised), so I’ll just be happy with my list. Everyone who has bitched about me now has their chance to criticize me. Come on, people! Say something!
Lord Bling

Thanks. And I also didn’t like the new Amon Amarth. It felt like they were just going through the motions, and it bored me. Odd though, that you hold a similar appreciation for Ocean Machine, but you don’t get into Opeth. Not challenging you or anything; I just rarely hear of anyone into metal who appreciates one but not the other.
Ziltoid

I know I’m a bit of an anomaly in regards to Opeth. I mean, they make good music, but I just get bored with them sometimes. Still, some of their songs are quite great.

Biff Tanner

Revrant- you are a fucking moron. Primordial’s “To the Nameless Dead” has no melody or meaning? You are fucked in the head buddy. Arcturus makes people “thrash around like an earthworm”? Have you even HEARD those albums. Almost certainly not, judging by your idiotic banter. Suidakra and Windir both DRENCH their music in heaps and heaps of melody and meaning. … I don’t even know what to say anymore, you have lost all relevance to any future discussions of music.
syclonus

clearly you haven’t heard even half of the albums on that list.

lee dragon

kudos for the neo obliv. they are playing my fest in september

bucketochicken

You’re trying way too hard.
\m/Eluveitie\m/

Finally some more Windir respect!
iolanach

I’m sure no one gives a shit but here’s mine:

Devin Townsend-Terria
Opeth-Blackwater Park
Drudkh-Autumn Aurora
Lykathea Aflame-Elvenefris
Alchemist-Organasm
Akercocke-Words That Go Unspoken, Deeds That Go Undone
Ansur-Warring Factions
Cynic-Traced In Air
Benighted-Icon
Thurisaz-Circadian Rythm
Primordial-To The Nameless Dead
Gorod-Leading Vision
Disillusion-Back To Times Of Splendor
Mastodon-Leviathan
Enslaved-Below The Lights
Absu-Tara
Anathema-A Fine Day To Exit
Neurosis-A Sun That Never Sets
Sigh-Imaginary Sonicscape
Destroyer 666-Phoenix Rising

Ziltoid

Quite a great list, especially with Elvenfris. I’ve been getting into that album for awhile now. It’s not clicking 100% with me yet (that snare is annoying still), but I’m liking it more with every listen. Also, props for Sigh, Benighted, Disillusion, Alechemist, and Akercocke.
Lord Bling

No, some of us do care. It’s good to see what readers of this site are into, as opposed to what the judges for this list are into.

groverXIII

Here’s my two cents on your list…

Devin Townsend – Accelerated Evolution
Not a bad choice. Wouldn’t be in my 21, though.

Tyr – Eric the Red
There are a lot of better folk metal bands out there… Ensiferum, Finntroll, Turisas, Moonsorrow, Svartsot… I could go on for a while. Tyr is alright, but I don’t really like them that much.

Strapping Young Lad – Alien
I’d probably go with The New Black, but I can’t fault this choice.

Cynic – Traced in Air
Excellent choice, although I’m surprised you consider them metal on this album.

Primordial – To The Nameless Dead
Decent choice, although again, I don’t enjoy Primordial as much as the bands I mentioned above.

Amon Amarth – With Oden on Our Side
Probably my favorite Amon Amarth album. Another good choice.

Dark Tranquillity – Fiction
Not bad… too bad so many other melodeath bands sound the same. (That’s not their fault, of course… they helped pioneer the sound.)

Suidakra – Emprise to Avalon
I need to listen to this album more… I dig Suidakra’s stuff, but for some reason I tend to gravitate toward their newer releases.

Windir – 1184
I haven’t listened to this album in a long time… I’m not even sure if it’s still on my hard drive.

Augury – Concealed
I think this is in my large queue of stuff to listen to still. I have a backlog of downloads to go through.

The rest I haven’t really listened to. I’ll have to check them out.

Ziltoid

@grover

“There are a lot of better folk metal bands out there… Ensiferum, Finntroll, Turisas, Moonsorrow, Svartsot… I could go on for a while. Tyr is alright, but I don’t really like them that much.”

Finntroll and Turisas?!?!? I can see you liking the others better (they’re certainly close enough to Tyr), but those two? They’re just too….stupid sounding. They’re more aligned with cheesy folk like Korpiklaani.

Traced in Air is certainly metal. It’s not about how distorted their guitars are, it’ s about the composition of the music. All of their instruments play metal music. The drumming is especially good.

For Dark Tranquillity, I find Fiction to be an odd album. I know a lot of melodeath sounds similar, but something about this album seems so great. The production is top notch, and they created a perfect atmosphere with the keyboards. Not cheesy like Character. Despite the fact that they haven’t changed their sound much, this somehow sounded very original.

As for Suidakra, most of their albums sound the same (consistently great, except for Command to Charge), but EtA just seems the most complete of all of their albums. If Crogacht was better produced, it would be tougher for me to decide between that and EtA.

http://baroquebleakbrutal.blogspot.com Eric

Korpiklaani and Turisas should not be mentioned in the same breath; it’s an insult to Turisas. I agree with you about Tyr, though.

groverXIII

Yeah, Korpiklaani had some decent stuff at the start, but they’re starting to repeat themselves. Putting out an album every year will do that to you, I guess.

groverXIII

I definitely enjoyed Crogacht… it definitely tells a story, which I find interesting.

As for Finntroll and Turisas… I like them because they’re kinda cheesy sounding (for example, the steel drums at the beginning of ‘En Mäktig Här’, or the Turisas’ hilarious cover of ‘Rasputin’). Finntroll was decidedly less cheesy on the new album, and I kind of miss the ridiculous humppa elements of their old stuff, but that’s what sets them apart. They’re still metal without being so grim and serious. Same with Korpiklaani, who I also enjoy (although they’re getting pretty repetitive with the albums they keep releasing), or Trollfest, who are completely retarded but have a sort of ridiculous heaviness to them. And ‘The Varangian Way’ is a brilliant, epic album with a broad range of folk sounds.

Not all metal has to be dark and serious.

Ziltoid

I’ll have to disagree about The Varangian Way. It might actually be the worst album I’ve ever heard. But Finntroll is certainly good (and nothing more) for what they are. And Korpiklaani is unbelievably repetitive. Haha, I guess I just hate the cheesy folk stuff.
groverXIII

And here I thought Gojira’s The Way Of All Flesh was the worst album you’ve heard…

I dig some cheesy folk metal stuff, like Turisas and Falconer (probably my personal favorite power metal band).
Ziltoid

haha, The Way of All Flesh is one of the most boring albums I’ve ever heard. It’s not offensively bad like The Varangian way, just offensively boring like SunnO))).
groverXIII

Urgh… now, SunnO))), there’s a boring fucking band. I prefer music where there’s actually… you know… something happening.
Ziltoid

Here’s a fucking amazing parody of SunnO)))–

\\\Maytag: http://maytag235.wordpress.com/

To mock SunnO))), they apparently recorded their own refrigerators and made drone music out of it. Fuck, even their name makes fun of them. I downloaded their album and both EPs awhile back and loved them (obviously for novelty value, but it’s actually half-decent drone “metal”).
groverXIII

Heh… that’s rather brilliant. I won’t be downloading, because I can’t stand drone metal no matter who’s doing it, but it’s a hilarious idea.
Ziltoid

It’s not your standard fare. Check out their myspace. They have mostly short, 1-2 miute songs with cheesy names. I love “Chow Down” (sounds like pseudo black/grind/ambient) and “Among the Dishes” the most.
Ziltoid

It’s not your standard fare. Check out their myspace. They have mostly short, 1-2 miute songs with cheesy names. I love “Chow Down” (sounds like pseudo black/grind/ambient) and “Among the Dishes” the most.

lolwut

^ this although as far as SYL goes id do city as it was the album what got me into them crazy canadians also who the fuck are deftones? my fav AA album is the avenger i can listen to it still to this day

Ziltoid

City and The Avenger were both in the late 90s. I still can’t decide between City and Alien, but both are amazing. The New Black is pretty good as well.

Ziltoid

Also, the album from this April is Vortech–Posthumamism. It is available for FREE DOWNLOAD from their website:

http://www.vortechmusic.com/main.php?page=releases

It’s fast paced industrial death metal. No, not “LULZ FEAR FACTORY”-industrial. That is crap. This stuff has the keys high enough in the mix to create a perfectly chaotic atmosphere (especially the extremely fast title track, probably my favorite of 2009 so far). Their other albums (also for free download) range from awful to decent, but this is excellent. Highly recommended.
http://myspace.com/biosyn teaches of peaches

nobody gives a fuck about those albums, twat.

Ziltoid

Oh noes, a sweeping generalization! And you called me a twat! You’re such an intellectual. Let’s see your list. It probably has GREAT metal like Born of Osiris, the new Cryptopsy album, Waking the Cadaver, and other deathcore crap.

20 eyes

BAAAHAHAHAHA WHAT A FAG
MackYourFace

you must be a faggot with Amon Amarth on here.

Ziltoid

lulz, homophobia. You’re also the guy from Waking the Cadaver.

Sure, they’re not very original, but WOooS is a genuinely excellent (in all respects) melodic death metal album that pretty much exceeds any other album in the genre. Granted, that’s not hard to do for melodic death metal, but it’s still an accomplishment. Also, the production suits it very well.
groverXIII

MackYourFace… you appear to be a moron.

Bronson

dude lets have sex….amazing list
groverXIII

Alright, Zilty old chap, I’m checking out a number of albums on your list… a lot of prog and power metal, but I’m open-minded. You know I’m going to let you hear it if any of these are crap, though. :D

I am amused that you have a Christian band on the list, though… but like I’ve said before, I still listen to some Christian metal now and then.

Ziltoid

haha, great choice, fine lad (strapping young lad?). Yes, I do tend to lean towards prog and power the most. And Theocracy is one of the very few Christian bands that actually make good music. The lyrics are VERY Christian and not really subtle at all, but the music is actually quite good. They’re very diverse for a power metal band, with some tracks, like “Martyr” and “Laying the Demon to Rest,” that are quite unusual for pm, and others like “The Writing in the Sand” that are standard pm done very well. But I will warn you that the title track to “Mirror of Souls” (22 minutes) is not that good. All that time, and it’s mostly verses, none with really memorable melodies. Just two solos, and average ones at best. That’s really the only flaw, though.

Some of the albums are more accessible than others. The one that I got into the quickest was Mercenary–The Hours that Remain. It took me 1 minute to know that that was one of my favorite albums ever. That album is full of excellent melodies (both vocal and instrumental), and the production is perfect (courtesy of Jacob Hansen, who also produces and does vocals for Anubis Gate). Hope you enjoy them all!

Malacoda

Not bad. A little too much folk stuff for me, the folk stuff gets samey. SYL, Kamelot, Dark Tranquillity, and Symphony X get thumbs up.
Dave

Pretty good list for the stuff you seem to listen to. I listen to a lot more death metal, tech death, grind. Tyr is damn awesome.

But sorry, any top 21 list without Bolt Thrower automatically gets disqualified. You have 24 hours to amend this blasphemy!

a7x=br00tal

wigger slam hahaha
seriously wtf….i used to think this was cool in like 7th grade

Maigaard

Haha, just like S.O.A.D. being on the list! It’s 7th grade stuff.
http://live.com 5

o yeah and A7X is sooo much better (sarcasm)

your name sucks

Cougar Party

Yeah? I think the number 5 sucks.

Suck on that!

http://www.myspace.com/437666934 Noel

ya, the number 5 is sooo overrated….its all abou 8, bitches.

Skeletor

Deftones FTW!!!!!!!! Suck it everyone

jeremiah

Srsly, I not even going to argue genre here: I’ll leave those battles to the people who care, since I’m personally tired of reading about it.

I love this CD. Simple as that.

sierraviridian

yeah, I kinda think this one’s a win.

The Mighty Fucking Quinn

Fuck do you people expect.Do you honestly believe that *insert relative unknown band* is going to make the list?Deftones are an amazing band and this album killed their affiliation with nu-metal.What’s wrong with that?

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8345/outside21.jpg Revrant

Because almost everything so far has been *insert relatively unknown band*, though equally as shit as the Deftones.

Amazingly terrible stoner shit.

youcantkillthe metal

Yeah, because no one has ever heard of Mastodon, or Slipknot, or Machine Head, or SOAD, or TOOL, or Hatebreed, or Lamb of God, you stupid fucker…

You’re almost as repugnant as Ziltoid…though you’ll have to work hard to hit that sort of standard – Ziltoid is an oxygen theiving knob jockey!

a7x=br00tal

oh yeah fuck you
Double D

I’ve never heard this album but I knew some dudes that did and they were sucks. They used to do a shit ton of whippits and then attempt to be a band. It’s really hot in Florida.
http://dmxrr15@hotmail.com IsntaTOTALdouchebag10

I posted before this list came out that I wished this album would be on here, a great CD. Includes both sides of the spectrum as far as heaviness goes. Cant argue that there are some definite chill songs on here, but still some very heavy ones. Passenger is one of my favorite songs of all time
Maigaard

I didn’t know that Deftones were metal. In any way. Doesn’t “being metal” at least require an awesome (yet a bit cheesy) name? And at least ONE very, very mean albumcover. Their’s is a white fucking horse.

deucemon

thats a mean pony thank you

Michael

The devil’s pony!

http://baroquebleakbrutal.blogspot.com Eric

“Their’s is a white fucking horse.”

Like the one that Death rode?

Leprosy

summary of the comments over this decision for #11

everyone is gonna say that the deftones arent metal and bitch over genre issues

ziltiod is gonna sit in front of his computer all night saying things that everyone else is saying but he will be defending himself the whole time cause as axl said; we are just a bunch of assholes

same with lord bling

500 comments will show up bitching at this list

bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch more bitching

2 people will say the deftones are good

titties

and someone will bitch at me for making this comment.

Ziltoid

**bitches at you for making that comment**

I already posted my list, so lets see what people have to say about it. I’m not in the mood for too much genre arguing tonight, since it’s pretty much universally agreed that Deftones aren’t metal.
\m/Eluveitie\m/

And Leprosy will needlessly summarize everything that happened to this point
Lord Bling

I won’t bitch about genres anymore. I made my point in the Tool thread, and it’ll just be repetitive here. I don’t mind the Deftones, but this is their worst album by far. Saturday Night Wrist was much better. But White Pony had their biggest radio hit (Change In the House of Flies), therefore it makes the list. And that tells you all you need to know.
groverXIII

Excellent summary.

You forgot to mention that ihateyou will show up spewing random bile as well, though.
http://baroquebleakbrutal.blogspot.com Eric

“titties”

Amen.
iceman

okay, c’mon, where’s the titties? im lookin but not seein em

Double D

I don’t think that’s a pony. I could be wrong.
jason

If you’re going to put TOOL and SOAD on here, this album totally fits too.

Miroslav

true, true…
Ziltoid

so does Korn. Y’ALL WANNA SINGLE SAY FUCK DAT!

Beautiful lyrics…

jason

well kind of…I admit there is some crossover in their fanbase, but I’ve always thought that the Deftones were a few notches above the rest f their “contemporaries” You couldn’t find a shred of musical integrity in Korn’s “music”…a statement that I think would be unfair towards the others mentioned above.

http://www.heavyblogisheavy.com Jimmy

“You couldn’t find a shred of musical integrity in Korn’s ‘music’”

I beg to differ, but to each his own.

Their first album was fan-fucking-tastic, regardless of the shitty copycats (and Limp Bizkit) that came after.

Ziltoid

BAHAHAHAHAHA

Just go away. Korn has no musical integrity whatsoever. Their first album sounds like a person being stabbed while they’re taking a shit.
http://www.myspace.com/437666934 Noel

dude, i agree. people woh cant see the value in korn FIRST CD dont get rhythem. for what it is, its good,. i can see why some people would be too afraid to like it [ziltoid] but its a good record, if you can stand johns annoying cry cry vocals.
Ziltoid

Afraid to like it? Maybe we just have higher standards.
groverXIII

I’ll admit it… I liked Korn back in the day. In all fairness, though, I’ve heard a lot better music since then and my musical tastes have matured and evolved. Now, I don’t listen to Korn if I can help it.
MackYourFace

-100 brootal points for Noel’s incompetence in spelling.

groverXIII

FUCK DAT FUCKDAT

http://www.knucklesfirst.com/ Andyman

Yikes…odd choice. I’ll have to borrow this CD from my little sister and give it a listen.

Lord Bling

9/10, and plus-one internet for you.
GraZmus

hahaha!!! Little sister..PURE GOLD!!
Maigaard

HAhahaha! DAMN you! I just swallowed my gum laughing and almost choked! Still laughing though.

Double D

I love titties.

Jonathon

If only every debater could agree on the amazing quality of titties everywhere.

I love titties too sir. There. I said it.
Keith Brown

With this, I am logging off of Metalsucks and looking up some Gianna Michaels. Who’s with me? *raises hand for high five*

Joseph Schafer

to everyone who will whine and bitch: STFU

this album is one of the few perfect extreme albums i’ve ever heard. no, it might not be metal, it has a lot of electronica and post-punk in it, but there’s definitely metal on it, listen to “elite.”

before anyone calls Nu Metal-this album is nothing like that, at all. calling it Nu Metal makes you uninformed de facto.

this is an awesome album, and i’m VERY glad it’s on here.

jason

I think a lot of people
A. don’t remember
or
B. aren’t old enough to remember
how incredibly abysmal the heavy music scene was when this album came out. This album, while it maybe not metal in and of itself, gave metal a crutch to metal during a really dark time. In the midst of bands like Godsmack, Sevendust, Korn etc…they stood out as a heavy band that stilled cared about writing albums, not singles.

jason

*still*
Sin and Death

Agreed… lots of kids on here are thinking in too shallow of terms.
Campbell

In 1999-2000, bands like Hypocrisy, In Flames, Soilwork, Gardenian, Opeth. Amon Amarth, The Crown, Immolation, Nevermore, and Vader were releasing the BEST ALBUMS OF THEIR CAREERS. If you call that kind of activity “abysmal,” you need to wake the fuck up.

http://metallattorney.blogspot.com shadowking86

Amen.

Loganarchy

Isn’t “Elite” one of the only heavy tracks on this album?

(I said heavy, not metal)

jason

I think you missed my point…those are all great death bands that were doing some awesome things…I was referring to White Pony VS. albums by their “contemporaries”.

http://www.anlace.org Gothian

TAKE SHELTER !!!!!!!
Double D

I saw my ex-girlfriends titties the other day for the first time in 5 or 6 months and they got smaller. I wasn’t sure whether or not to be happy or sad…

http://www.myspace.com/437666934 Noel

thats funny, cuz your name is ironically double D. i get it. ahhhhhhhhhhhahhh

Double D

Well, that is funny. But, my name is Todd. Y’know, like T-O-Double D. Hence, “Double D”.

Cy Sperling

Off topic, but just wondering. Would Dethkolk qualify? They aren’t really a band, but The Dethalbum is pretty awesome nonetheless.

Cy Sperling

fuck. I meant DETHKLOK. My spelling is not nearly brutal enough…
Ziltoid

They would qualify, but although I love the show, the album is some of the most generic melodic death metal ever. It’s a fun album, yes, but it’s also painfully average.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8345/outside21.jpg Revrant

Like every single other death metal album out there.

Growl growl thrash growl growl solo growl growl.

Rinse and repeat 12 times.

Difference? It’s fun.

Ziltoid

Demilich–Nespithe

http://www.anentity.com/demilich/download.php

Go listen to that. It’s a free download. It’s more fun!

Ziltoid

And yes, that’s legal. The band gives their music away after Earache screwed them over in 1993.

Cy Sperling

Fun being exactly the point. It succeeds because it is simultaneously a piss-take AND a love letter to metal.

Ziltoid

But the music itself is average. You forgot about that important part.

groverXIII

I really enjoy ‘Thunderhorse’ and ‘The Lost Vikings’… the rest is decent, but fairly run-of-the-mill melodeath, only funnier.

Sin and Death

One thing I heard about the Dethalbum is that it had the highest first week sales of any death metal album, so it deserves some recognition for that. I find it hard to believe, but if it’s true that’s some funny shit.

As far as it being worthy of this list, I disagree. While I think the Dethklok show is hilarious, the music from the album was mediocre at best, and not meant to be taken seriously. The lyrics are funny, though.
All of the other albums on the list (with the exception of Nachtmystium) were serious, intelligently written endeavors from artists at the peak of their game.

Here’s looking forward to Season III in November.

DETHKLOK ROOLZ, WOOO!!!

http://www.heavyblogisheavy.com Jimmy

iirc, Cannibal Corpse beat it.
Ziltoid

Wow, and album by a band on a TV show (read as: lots of publicity) on a TBS-owned station had high sales? What a shock!

“All of the other albums on the list (with the exception of Nachtmystium) were serious, intelligently written endeavors from artists at the peak of their game.”

FUCK NO.

Sin and Death

I’m sorry you have no sense of humor.

Ziltoid

I wasn’t really attempting to be funny.

http://www.thrashhits.com Hugh DoVoodoo

White Pony: SOLID CHOICE. It’s not my personal favourite Deftones record, but I can see why people on the panel voted for it and I think it’s place is well-deserved.
canea

Whaaaaaaa?
http://lordsofmetal.nl/index.php?lang=en Cavorka

………………………………………………

That’s it I’m getting outta here!
http://www.bringvictory.com balls

fucking kikies with another shitty pick. anyone who thought this was going to be an un-biases list unfilled with shit and trendy faggotry is a dumb jew, probably the best example of a typical metalsucks viewer.

groverXIII

I’m sorry, you’ll have to speak up. I didn’t hear that. Loud music must be damaging my hearing.
SourDeez

Not enough NSBM for you?

Loganarchy

Take your antisemitism somewhere else, please.

http://www.bringvictory.com balls

suck mah dick

shit sandwich

this album is great. fuck off

iceman

i think id rather eat a shit sandwich than listen to this

Kyle

Slipknot, Hatebreed, and now Deftones. Give me a fucking break. I’m no longer interested in the rest of the list.
‘lil billy

The music isn’t horrible, but I would have thought this qualified as rock, maybe hard rock at the most. In either case, I wouldn’t say this album was any better than average.
Piero

Remember this list has partly been made by members of Psychostick…

http://www.bringvictory.com balls

True. We have members of Lamb of God, Shadows Fall, Psychostick, and August Burns Red voting on this shit. No wonder it’s fucking terrible.

a7x=br00tal

ABR is fucking awesome
http://live.com 5

you hate lamb of god!

suck my balls balls

http://www.bringvictory.com balls

lol enjoy your shitty generic metalcore faggot

Jesse

Lamb of God isn’t metalcore faggot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QU0BKUbflc Garske

lol faggotishly enjoy your faggoty faggot faggotcore you faggot

Malacoda

Psychostick isn’t even a band. They’re a comedy act, with instruments.

ceth

I like The Deftones A LOT! But this album isnt even their best album of the 2000′s much less one of the top 21 one of the whole decade so far.
fightingmike

I dont think I would really consider this metal, but it is a GREAT record and it has influenced ALL of the current metalcore and mainstream metal by showing bands how to properly incorporate melodic vocals or passages into really heavy music and have it not sound cheesy. I bet this will receive alot of flak for being on a METAL list, but this is a groundbreaking classic record and I would put it on here.

ceth

I agree this record was pretty good but to say it was groundbreaking might be stretching it a little….well, a long way.

cosk

this list blows. suck it.
http://myspace.com/stixnstond666 Stixnstond in L.A.

not metal, but a great album!

WE MISS YOU CHI!!!
(required)

Are we sure this list is the top 21. Are we sure they aren’t just the first 21 albums that came up when Fred Durst put his iPod on shuffle?

http://www.bringvictory.com balls

lol
http://www.roxwel.com Pick-Axe Bobby

I second that lol.
Ziltoid

I third that lol.
a7x=br00tal

no he listens to the smiths and the cure remember lol

MetalRod

Deftones. Fuck yes!
wormdrive

Nice, a little hometown love.
http://www.roxwel.com Pick-Axe Bobby

UGH.

Just, ugh.
sYgnal

Holy Fucking Ape Shit!! Hell, if you’re gonna make it so fucking obvious that this is not a “Best Metal Album” list then you could have picked “Adrenaline” because that was the only album of theirs that has any fucking balls.

Lord Bling

‘Adrenaline’ was released in the 90s, so it’s not eligible. But I don’t disagree with the sentiment.

sYgnal

*Oops*…. Thanks for the heads up??

Honestly though, they haven’t had any integrity with the title of the list,so, why have any integrity with the era/time frame??

I, Monarch

Props to whoever posted Demlich’s Nespithe. One of the most underrated death metal albums EVER. Fucking excellent shit. This list, however, is just shit now. Definitely the worst “best” list I’ve ever seen, and there’s still like 10 to go. I don’t think anything even needs to be said about this anymore.

Ziltoid

Why thank you. It is truly one of the most underrated albums ever. They created a really demented atmosphere with Nespithe, and none of the crap on this list so far can touch it in any way.
SourDeez

Am I the only person who thinks Obscura and Nespithe belong on the list AS WELL AS Toxicity and Lateralus?

http://metallattorney.blogspot.com shadowking86

Uh, Nespithe was released in 1993, so it doesn’t qualify.

SourDeez

My bad. Still, my point is that there are some excellent mainstream albums that belong on the list along with the more brutal and experimental shit. Most people here seem to think it has to be one way or the other, but I say greatness knows no bounds.

Ziltoid

Mastodon is mainstream, yet I have no problem if CtS shows up on this list. As far as mainstream bands go, only a few metal ones are good. Like Mastodon, Opeth, Dream Theater, and such. The problem with mainstream metal is that most of it is really bad.

Malacoda

Obscura sucks. Lateralus was good… but not entirely metal.

Loganarchy

Yeah, I don’t think people realize that just because a metal band is mainstream they are bad. Sure, there are many exceptions, but then there are not.

SourDeez

Death, Suffocation, Gorguts, Immolation, Napalm Death, Carcass etc……all very well known metal bands. Every single one of those bands (except for gorguts) has had a video played on the shitty new version of Headbanger’s Ball. Doesn’t make them bad. They’re famous for a reason.

groverXIII

Unlike the other debatably metal albums on this list, I don’t particularly like this album, or the Deftones in general. The main reason is that Chino Moreno can’t sing for shit, so he does that weird moaning thing and it drives me batshit crazy. I don’t even really remember anything else about the music. I bought this CD, and I only listened to it a couple of times. I couldn’t take it.

Their cover of Skynyrd’s ‘Simple Kind Of Man’ made me want to punch a hole in my eardrums with a pencil. (Yes, I know it’s not on this album.)

SourDeez

His voice ruins the music for me. I usually think vocals are of minimal importance in heavy music, it doesn’t matter if they’re not the best, but there’s a certain type of bad that actually distracts from the listening experience. Chino Moreno is definitely that type of bad singer. Simply put, he whines and sounds like a weak person a lot of the time, which undermines the quality of the music the band plays. I’m all for clean singing in metal, but not weakness or vulnerability. Hard rock and metal singers should sound like they are confident and have the entire world in their control. Metal is meant to be music played by people who are IN CHARGE AND IN COMMAND MOTHERFUCKER!!!!! That doesn’t necessarily mean screaming or growling, you can even croon and still sound in charge, like Phil Lynott or David Lee Roth. But as far as I’m concerned, vulnerability and whining have no place in heavy music.

iolanach

Fuck this list. Fuck it up it’s stupid ass.
Geek Beater

UHHHH AROUND THE FUR BETTER BE HERE IF THIS ALBUM IS. AROUND THE FUR STILL GRABS MY UNDIVIDED ATTENTION EVERYTIME I PLAY IT. WHITE PONY WAS GOOD BUT NO WHERE NEAR AROUND THE FUR.

ceth

What is it with people on this board that cant wrap their minds around the fact that this list is based on albums from this decade!!!!!!! But yes, Around The Fur is a killer album.
http://www.metalsucks.net Axl Rosenberg

“Around the Fur” came out in 1997 and is therefore ineligible for the list.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QU0BKUbflc Garske

Around My Fur came out in 1799 and is therfore probably not metal.

O WATE NEETHER IS THE DEFTONES.

Silly Me!

Doombot

Around the Fur came out in ’97, so it doesn’t qualify
Sin and Death

Came out in 1997, I think… not eligible for this list.
groverXIII

Has anyone mentioned that ATF came out in ’97?

http://www.roxwel.com Pick-Axe Bobby

No, dude, it came out in ’97.

http://www.myspace.com/437666934 Noel

[can i get in on this? ] ITS 97!!!!!!!!!! gawwwd!!!!!

Sin and Death

Yeah, it’s funny how many people jumped on this poor soul for his/her error in chronology. If you look at the times when everyone posted in response to Geek Beater, they were all around the same time.

When I posted, the other responses had not yet loaded; only after I hit ‘submit’ did I realize everyone else had beat me to it. I s’pose it was the caps lock that made it stand out.

But, in case you didn’t hear, Around the Fur came out in ’97, which was good year.

Vince from Metal Blade

Though this didn’t make my list, it was life changingly amazing at the time. That can’t be debated, whether or not you’re a fan of the record.

ceth

Anything can be debated and especially the fact that this album was life changing amazing at the time.It was OK, not even their 1st or 2nd best album,not even the best one they put out this decade……See there, it can be debated.

Vince from Metal Blade

The importance and impact of this album can’t be debated. I still see White Pony shirts everywhere at metal shows.

ceth

I still see Korn Follow The Leader shirts at metal shows and I hardly see anyone debating the life changing importance of that album. White pony is a good record and thats about it. It didnt change the over all direction music or anything else when it came out.This album didnt have the over all importance and change in the shift and direction of music that you want to think it did. To deny it being a good record i would have to be crazy but to also say it has been one of the most ground breaking and important albums oif the decade I would also have to be crazy. It’s a good record and nothing more, it’s not even their best work.

Vince from Metal Blade

And many people respectfully disagree with you.

Lord Bling

Vince, your logic is flawed. Some people wear old, crappy shirts to metal shows, in case they get torn up in the pit….

http://baroquebleakbrutal.blogspot.com Eric

Yes Vince, and many people respectfully disagree with you, too. Because EVERYTHING can be debated, especially subjective statements like “life-changingly amazing.” I listened to this album when it came out. I thought it was cool, but my life was not changed by its existence.
Malacoda

Yeah, I saw a Blink-182 shirt last time I saw Meshuggah. He got owned.

groverXIII

It changed by life by siphoning $15 away from me.

iceman

damn, could have bought a months worth of taco bell, id be pissed

Jewers

must make theraputic list…of personal favorite albums of century…in no particular order…subject it to bullshit and….idiocy….

Amon Amarth – Twilight of the Thuder God
Amon Amarth – With Oden on Our Side
Lamb of God – Sacrament
Lamb of God – Ashes of the Wake
Protest the Hero – Fortress
All that Remains – The Fall of Ideals
All Shall Perish – Awaken the Dreamers
As I Lay Dying – An Ocean Between Us
Between the Buried and Me – Colors
Dissection – Reinkaos
Dream Theater – Octavarium
Gojira – The Way of All Flesh
A Life Once Lost – Hunter
Strapping Young Lad – Alien
August Burns Red – Messengers
Opeth – Watershed
Unearth – The March
Meshuggah – obZen
In Flames – Reroute to Remain
(not my thing but everyone seems to love em) Mastodon – Remission, and Blood Mountain

I, Monarch

Your list is filled with as much crap as it has gold. Try to diversify a bit more. Go deeper underground and you’ll find a lot of good stuff. Search harder my friend!

Jewers

if in you opinion, it has crap and gold, wouldn’t that make it diverse?

http://baroquebleakbrutal.blogspot.com Eric

True dat!

Lord Bling

Mastodon – Remission is a great fucking album, and when I saw that on this list, I thought, ‘Sweet! This list is gonna be good.’ And then they blew all that good will right out of the water.
Ziltoid

Wow….what a shitty list. Besides 1 Amon album (WOooS), PtH, Dream Theater, SYL, Opeth, and Meshuggah (and even then, the albums by those artist are sometimes questionable), that list is utter shit.

Jewers

your face is utter shit.
http://baroquebleakbrutal.blogspot.com Eric

Impressive argument, there. Not that I did much better with the Turisas/Korpiklaani comment above, but man: you’re a model to us all.

Jewers

I know. in the words of Charlie of Flowers for Algernon “I’m a fucking geen ass” or at least I’m pretty sure thats what he says.

btw Ziltoid just because you don’t like metalcore doesn’t make it garbage, a lot of it is generic and pre packaged but there is some truly good stuff that the genre has to offer. Also, there is only one deathcore album on that list. At least I’m not a genre nazi!

Ziltoid

Good metalcore:

Protest the Hero
Between the Buried and Me

And what a shock, they both deviate a lot from the genre’s norms. Metalcore and deathcore are, basically by definition, garbage. I’ll rarely say that about things, but this is basically a fact.
metalguy

geenyus. nice Algernon reference. my fav high school book

Ziltoid

No, those albums are genuinely all horrible. Mostly metalcore and deathcore garbage.

Jewers

things can ever be “basically fact?” …heh…news to me…
NORDINI

lot of metalcore but there´s not 1 deathcore album on the entire list dumbass

Malacoda

Keep in mind that there hasn’t been a really good Dream Theater album in the 21st century.

Michael

Deftones are awesome!!! They tore it up at Bamboozle! I hope you enjoy this pick you corpse paint wearing booger eaters!! Have fun watching Monday Night Raw tonight!!!!!!!!!!

sYgnal

Hmmm….TROLL?

hrm

some judges have got some serious ‘splaining to do.
Miroslav

I hope that top 10 will have Nevermore’s This Godless Endeavor and Iron Maiden’s Brave New World :)

I know that Ashes of The Wake, Crack The Skye and As The Palaces Burn will be on the list :)

Leprosy

FUCK YES. best nevermore album. i hope that the obsidian prophecy can beat that but i seriously doubt that it can.

http://baroquebleakbrutal.blogspot.com Eric

Seconded. I had the chorus riff from the first track stuck in my head for a week and loved every second of it.

Mark G.

Dead Heart in a Dead World is Nevermore’s best effort. Hope it makes the list (even though it won’t).

DJ

I personally like Nevermore’s Dreaming Neon Black

metalguy

i thought these guys were nu-metal? i like some nu-metal, even korn. but this is terrible
Rancidcorpse

Fuck this list deftones?????? STEEL PANTHER #1

Miroslav

TWO IN THE PINK ONE IN THE STINK!!!! THE SHOCKEEEEEEEEEEEEEER!!!!!!!!

STEEL PANTHER FTW!

Sin and Death

The Deftones are excellent. They have always been ahead of the curve, and this album is very worthy of a mention in this list. “Passenger” is probably my favorite song on the album, although the other cuts are amazing as well. Fuck the haters, Deftones rule; here’s hoping Chi can recover enough to play again some day.
Duran

winky troll, one of my least fav deftones albums
Tim

I give up.
alex

un fucking believable.
pete

ok, all of you can shift your hate off of Tool and System, cause this one is a complete joke.
Cy Sperling

Here is my list- semi-chronological. I am fully aware that many people will weep “NOT METAL” at some or many of my picks. Sorry, I don’t just don’t care for the strict genre adherence. I just think of it as intense heavy music. Furthermore, in no way do I claim these are the BEST, just my favorites.

Tool- Lateralus
Converge- Jane Doe
Neurosis- The Sun That Never Sets
System of a Down- Toxicity
Isis- Oceanic
Burnt by the Sun- The Perfect is the Enemy of the Good
Killswitch Engage- The End of Heartache
Buried Inside- Chronoclast
Converge- You Fail Me
Mastodon- Leviathan
Pig Destroyer- Terrifyer
Cave-In- Perfect Pitch Black
Gojira- From Mars to Sirius
Converge- No Heroes
Doomriders- Black Thunder
Slayer- Christ Illusion
Baroness- Red Album
Genghis Tron- Board Up the House
Gojira- The Way of All Flesh
Mastodon- Crack the Skye

That is 20- I am reserving 21 for the Converge record coming out later this year. Let the flaming begin…

I, Monarch

Pretty good list, man. Toxicity is the odd man out on that one.

Cy Sperling

It seems to be an unpopular choice, but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t listen to it non-stop for several months on end when it came out. It has great hooks and reminded me a lot of a more metal version of The Dead Kennedys- one of my all time favorites.

groverXIII

Wow… I never made that connection, but I can totally see that. Awesome.

Cougar Party

Not bad, actually. Nice call on Baroness. That album is prolific. I doubt it will make the list, but it should.
groverXIII

I agree with the mention of Baroness…

Doombot

1

Ziltoid

Neurosis
Isis
Baroness
Mastodon–CtS

everything else is awful.

groverXIII

I thought you said you didn’t mind Toxicity, even if you didn’t recognize it as metal…
Cy Sperling

Well we’ve long since established your pedantic snobby attitude about the objectivity of taste.

You can go and fondle your fartbox some more while you think masturbatory thoughts about viking broadswords and corpse-paint.
Ziltoid

alright, Toxicity is ok.

Lord Bling

I back Converge – Jane Doe, for sure. Also Isis and Gojira. Burnt By The Sun are great, although I liked ‘Soundtrack’ better. Same with Pig Destroyer, but Prowler is way better (‘Thumbsucker’ and ‘Towering Flesh’ are amazing songs on an otherwise mediocre album).

Killswitch can blow me. I liked ‘Alive or Just Breathing’ when it first came out, but then all these shitty bands came out sounding just like KE, and now I can’t stand to hear them.

And I get the Dead Kennedys comparison to SOAD. DK were the shit.

Doombot

This is a fine album and all, but I’d like to see High on Fire’s “Death is this Communion” or the Haunted’s rEVOLVEr.
jonowev

Masterpiece.
http://www.heavyblogisheavy.com Jimmy

These comnments are full of idiots and assholes.

Deftones are completely respectable hard rock, but not metal.

Good album, poor placement on a list like this.
Ross

Did I totally call this album when Toxicity was posted or WHAT?
Anyway, I love this album and in a list of overall top albums of the 21st century, this would be on here. However, Deftones are not really metal, and this album is probably their worst case in arguing that they are a metal band.
Raiseyerfists

Hated it then and hate it now. Fuck the deftones boooooring
Julian

LOL
Kye

So just cause everyone else is doing it, here, in no particular order, is my list. For the most part I figured I’d stick to less obscure and, at times, borderline bands for the sake of not hearing the whole “You only like unknown bands” argument. All of these should be eligible, if for some reason they aren’t…oh well, my bad.

1. In Flames – Clayman
2. Emperor – Prometheus: The Discipline of Fire and Demise
3. Opeth – Blackwater Park
4. Behemoth – Demigod
5. Lamb of God – Ashes of the Wake
6. Shadows Fall – The War Within
7. Cryptopsy – Once Was Not
8. Tool – 10,000 Days
9. Machine Head – The Blackening
10. Dissection – Reinkaos
11. Slipknot – Vol. 3: The Subliminal Verses
12. Underoath – Cries of the Past
13. Protest the Hero – Fortress
14. HIM – Venus Doom
15. Mastodon – Crack the Skye
16. Gorgoroth – Incipit Satan
17. Dark Tranquillity – Ficition
18. Dimmu Borgir – Stormblast MMV
19. Marilyn Manson – Eat Me, Drink Me
20. Between the Buried and Me – The Silent Circus
21. Agalloch – Ashes Against the Grain

groverXIII

Well, you have a pretty decent variety of stuff on there, but the inclusion of Manson, Underoath, and HIM make me cringe.
Ziltoid

I was going to take you seriously until I got to the end of your list. A few good albums scattered amongst shit.

Kye

Just to clarify, this isn’t the list of my favorite albums of the 21st Century. I do indeed enjoy all these albums quite a bit, but I made this list based one the following criteria:

1. They were popular enough that people have heard of them
2. They have enough of an appeal that they would be voted for by people who don’t necessarily enjoy the genre they come from
3. I only picked one album per artist
4. If they weren’t listed on wikipedia’s entry for metal albums released in any of the years eligible, I didn’t consider them as that means they probably weren’t popular enough to actually be considered viable.
5. I like them

So this isn’t so much my list of 21 favorite albums as it is my realistic preference to the list we’ve been presented. Agalloch being the obvious exception.

Lord Bling

You can like whomever you want, and that’s fine. But that doesn’t mean we still won’t cringe when we see HIM, Underoath, MM, etc., on anyone’s Top list. We’re assholes; it’s what we do. :P
groverXIII

Heh… if I made a list of my favorite albums of the 21st century, there would be quite a bit of non-metal stuff in there (Clutch, QOTSA, Bad Religion, among others), but I listen to a lot of stuff.

I think I’m going to try to go make my top 21 metal albums… I’ll post it around here whenever I get done. And I’m keeping it to 1 album per band, just to be fair.

Jager

Hey Ziltoid, my shit is smellier than yours, not to mention more underground and experimental…

Carry that around for the rest of this list

Chimp-0-Neg

HIM? Marlyn? Have you stumbled through the wrong door from GothSucks.com?

SourDeez

When Tool and SOAD wound up on the list, I was very pleased. Unlike a lot of people, I certainly hear metal as the predominant sound in their music. This, however, I object to slightly. This album is interesting, but it certainly doesn’t display the vast amount of metal elements that Toxicity and Lateralus do. I’ve always thought of Tool and System as metal bands who have some deviations from the standard, whereas the Deftones are an alternative rock band with a few metal elements here and there. Then again, I’m not so arrogant that I feel like my opinion is golden. If this many voters think it belongs on the list, it belongs on the list. This list is fun for commenting on, but it’s not the be-all and end-all of 21st century metal. A list is a pretty ridiculous way of judging music. There have been far more than 21 excellent and important metal albums released since the year 2000, so of course a list is going to exclude some great albums. It’s going to exclude a SHITLOAD of great albums. I couldn’t even begin to make a list of my own top albums. I don’t like ranking albums. Most albums that I love, I love equally.
http://www.myspace.com/ihopeyourot Dave

I see that the list’s purpose as massive flame bait continues.

Chocolate starfish and the hot dog flavored water for top 5?

groverXIII

It’ll be number 1… bet on it. We can read about Fred Durst, the lyrical visionary who is ahead of his time.

lolwut

not #1 but defiently top 10 cant wait to see over 400 comments in under an hour :] ill be sittin here jaming out while its goin on damn wes borland and his ass kickery

mike

This list stinks so far. Where is the European metal – bands such as Wintersun (greatest debut album this decade)?
cyrollan

aw geez, i’ve stumbled upon http://www.numetalsucks.net again. somebody point me in the right direction!

Malacoda

just to point something out: Metalsucks didn’t make the list. They voted, but they’re just showing it to everyone, which is why I’m not flaming the site right now.

Lord Bling

By showing it, they’re supporting it. If you came to our houses with a dog turd in your hand, and said, ‘HAY GUIZE, LOOK AT THIS! ISN’T IT THE BEST TURD OF THE DECADE?’, we would all think you’re an idiot.

Metalsucks: Delivering dog turds to your doorstep.

SourDeez

So what “non dog-turd” albums belong on the list?

Lord Bling

I put my top ten near the bottom of the Tool – Lateralus thread. Some say it’s good; some say it’s a little too mainstream. But it’s definitely not as mainstream as this list.
Maigaard

Sacrament ain’t a dog-trrd. I think it belongs in the top-5, but I doubt they were allowed to put more than one album per artist on the list.

groverXIII

Perfect… I’ve been looking for a service to deliver dog turds directly to my doorstep, for those days when I want a dog turd but don’t feel like going outside.

http://www.twitter.com/waynegraham Wayne

It’s pretty obvious that no one bitching about this pick has even heard it. Excellent, excellent record.

cyrollan

Wayne, I must agree to disagree and disagree to disagree at the same time. I did listen to this… in high school… and I LOVED it. BUT back then I didn’t know what metal was; and I’m sure if I did hear true metal (Meshuggah for instance), I would have been frightened. The point I want to make is that if people allow Tool and the Deftones to be on this list, they might as well include a Jamiroquai or Cake record. “This is not ‘Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.”

Double D

“What the fuck does this have to do with ‘Nam, Walter?!?”

Cake is better than Deftones.

groverXIII

I want a girl with a short skirt and a looooooooooooooooong… jacket.

SourDeez

I’m still waiting for someone on here to tell me why Tool isn’t metal. For all the bitching, it seems like everyone’s talking out of their ass.

http://www.twitter.com/waynegraham Wayne

Metal is a big umbrella. Well..not according to some, but it is to me. I think your argument that Tool and Deftones & Jamiroquai and Cake being more of less the same as far as metal cred goes is the same as the right-wing argument that if we let gays marry, that we’ll soon be allowing people to marry goats. Bit of an exaggeration, no?

cyrollan

You’re very right about this, Wayne. And even the name “numetal” CONTAINS the word metal. What it comes down to, is that I’m just bitter. I’m the kind of guy that would rather see every record by Cannibal Corpse, for instance, before one by the Deftones. And maybe we will! (Doubtful though.) But when all’s said and done, trolling is just really amusing to me.

http://live.com 5

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

poop

Jewers

agreed.

Selaphiel

I love Deftones.

But… Like… Seriously… I can maybe kind-of understand Slipknot, Tool, and even System of a Down making the list…

But… Ugh… Seriously? This made #11? Maybe for a top ROCK album list. Not a top METAL album list.

You should redo this. Top EXTREME metal. Only thrash, death, black, doom, and their various subgenres allowed.
Ben

Cynic (Traced In Air), Between The Buried And Me (Colors), Meshuggah (Nothing), and The Faceless (Planetary Duality) better be on the list to redeem itself.

Lord Bling

The list is now beyond redemption, even if all four of those albums were on it.

zmh26

Another one of those moments when I hate being right. Its going to be mostly mainstream albums simply because of the people polled. Its not just the music itself that gets these stuck in your head, its also the hype and popularity of the band. I know when I tried coming up with a top list, it was mostly mainstream albums with a few generally underground bands. I would chalk it up with how much the other medias talk about the mainstream ones. Its rare if an opening band steals the show from the headliner in the eyes of the typical outsider viewing a ‘metal’ concert. i use to write reviews for some of the shows I went to because I got sick of reading reviews from someone who obviously never heard of some of the bands at the concert. Its one of the downsides of metal making a resurgence in the mainstream is that the already ‘mainstream’ metal bands are getting bigger and some more deserving bands really aren’t. Musically, I’m not very fond of Deftones nor do I really think they are that metal. However amongst what i have heard of them and their albums, this is definitely one of their best albums. That’s my take at least.
james

is it just me or has this comment section turned into some star wars trekkie fanatical thing??????
joshkid

Wow! This is quite a fucked up choice to be on the list. As of now I’d rather see Disturbed on this list than some other crap that’s probably coming up. “Indestructible” anyone? It’s an awesome album!!! (and yes it’s metal!)
Just a thought. Bring on the senseless hate…

groverXIII

Oh man… what have you done? I hope your computer screen is flame-retardent.
Rik

I love Indestructible, and yeah it’s definitely metal. Especially compared to White Pony.

White Pony is awesome, but it’s really not metal.

joshkid

word dude. finally I find another guy on this site appreciating Disturbed!

a7x=br00tal

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

major

this list is mother fucking terrible
masterjake5000

ive been watching this dam god forsaken list and i just feel the need to comment on this fucking bullshit pick for #11. The deftones? the mother fucking deftones? the cocksucking motherfucking deftones?

I mostly like the rest…even soad because i believe that toxicity was their most metal album before they just went completely pop. But the deftones come in after Lamb of God, Mastodon, and Machine Head?

R u sure the list isnt backwards? Its only getting worse.

lolwut

by your logic then slipknot would be #1 and wed all commit suicide

masterjake5000

haha very true….fuk what i said

Rik

“Their next album, Eros, will be released sometime in 2009 so we’ll have to wait to see if they deliver the goods again. The collection was produced by Terry Date (Pantera, Limp Bizkit), who took it to the plate and made it sound great.”
masterjake5000

Is there going to be a “Best Rock Albums of the 21st century” list with Slayer, Cannibal Corpse, and Behemoth?

Thats some good Thrash Rock, Death Rock, and Blackened Death Rock right there.

Malacoda

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xXxDarkfoxXx

You need Killswitch Engage, Opeth, Arch Enemy, Amon Amarth and Children of Bodom.

Rik

Opeth and Amon Amarth yes. KSE hell no.

xXxDarkfoxXx

At least Killswitch would be a better choice than Slipknot or The Deftones.

lolwut

children of bodom need to die the singer makes me want to sodimize myself with a fire hose

xXxDarkfoxXx

Alexi Laiho (the lead singer) has some of the best guitar work of any metal band. Please go right ahead and sodomize yourself while listening to Silent Night, Bodom Night.

http://www.facebook.com/roshinn Dan Wolfson

“Suck a nigga dick or somethin.”
SP420

THIS IS NOT FUCKING METAL.
Anthony

Anyone know if we’ll see the individual voters’ lists after they’re done the countdown? I’m really curious who everyone, specifically the musicians, voted for. Was there also a rule that you couldn’t have any albums from your band on your list?

Ziltoid

I doubt we’ll see the individual lists, but it would be hilarious to see. I’d like to hope that there’s just one person voting for the most obscure, underground stuff known to man just for the sake of fucking with this popularity contest.

Then again, I wouldn’t be surprised to pretty much only see crap amongst their votes.

stuff

MetalSucks aleready said they will not release personal list (cf first post).
But I’d like to see the entire list just to see what came up.

Ziltoid

haha, I guess they knew that they’d be embarrassing quite a few people if they published the list.

Lady Death

Since it seems mandatory for every comment, “list is crap.” However, I don’t say that because I’m shallow and pissed that The Project Hate hasn’t made it or something. I actually love Slipknot, mainly because they got me into metal, not to mention Korn (flame flame), so I won’t be a hypocrite and complain about the mainstream nature of the choices. In fact, I wasn’t even going to comment on this choice as I’ve never really listened to the band. Then I listened. And threw up everywhere.

FUCKING TERRIBLE!!! I would rather listen to the rat from In This Moment scream in my ear for half an hour (which has happened and is one of the most painful experiences I have ever endured) than hear the Deftones singer whine out some unintelligible lyrics about how small his dick is.

Moving on, I usually don’t let the vocals or lyrics bother me. After all, it’s all about the music right? Well, in this case the music follows suit. AWFUL. Not just because it’s rock and not metal (like I said, I respect many different kinds of music), but come the fuck on people! That’s not even an argument here. Terrible music is terrible music. And this is supposed to be their best work? I’ve written stuff with my band that puts this to shame and we threw it out because it sucked. No exaggeration. And to the person who said that “Elite” is metal. What do you listen to? It’s the same riff repeated a million times throughout the entire song. If anything it’s the most mediocre song Brokencyde ever made and Deftones figured nobody would notice if they stole it.

Someone disagree with me. I’m feeling hateful.

Jewers

I disagree!
(not really though…)

jtquake

yeah, uh, bad.
http://www.facebook.com/roshinn Dan Wolfson

I think that my opinion on everything is less valid due to everyone else’s different opinions, so i’m not going to say anything to do with the albums on this list until the top 5.

Ass boob shit
Walker

Am I the only one that likes this choice? It is their best overall record and it was a record that was completely different from their other two successful releases, without being a major departure of their core sound. Yes, its not Engine No.9 on every track, but I still loved what they put together for that record. Sure it was different and it sold well, and probably was responsible for helping other bands get signed. Which is why it made the list.
Sean

So doesn’t it seem odd that we are halfway thru the list now and haven’t seen a single European band on here yet?

http://myspace.com/aaronlynnbaker Goat

most of the panelists are american
Anthony

I’m sure that’ll change soon. We’re bound to get at least one album by Gojira and one by Opeth.
Sin and Death

America, FUCK YEAH!

http://www.facebook.com/roshinn Dan Wolfson

Because European bands are all better.

Regarding my previous post, I lied.
Phillip

I love this album so much. Great choice.
craver

sorry a lot of people hate this album, it is really good.
20 eyes

ANYONE WHO RAGS ON THIS ALBUM IS A FUCKING DUMB SHIT BAG, COME AND MEET ME IN THE AUCKLAND CARPARK OF SMITHS CITY IN TOWN, WE WILL GET INTO A SESSION OF FIGHTING… IT WILL TEST YOUR ENDURANCE, AND YOU WILL MOST PROBABLY LOSE.
OH, MAKE IT LUNCHTIME ON THE 30TH OF JUNE.
MOTHERFUCKERS.
LOVE FROM ME
XXXX

http://myspace.com/aaronlynnbaker Goat

your an idiot

metalguy

a session of fighting? you asshole
20 eyes

why? i’ll beat you dammit!
vegard

“your an idiot”

makes me laugh….every time

Ziltoid

CAPITAL LETTERS MAKE YOU COOL AND FUNNY AT THE SAME TIME!

20 eyes

CALLING YOURSELF ZILTOID MAKES YOU LICK ASSHOLE AND BE ALL TOWNSEND-ISH, AKA HOLIER THAN THOU.
I BET YOU ALSO LISTEN TO TECH

Ziltoid

I hate modern tech death. Older stuff like Demilich, Gorguts, and such that don’t focus just on speed are fine. But stuff like Obscura, Necrophagist, etc. are awful. BUT LOLZ, I CAN ACCUSE YOU OF LICKING ASSHOLE TOO AND DO IT WITH CAPS LOCK ON!

sYgnal

I knew I forgot a band for my list below… The Obscura album is quite good. It really isn’t just about speed. They incorporated quite a bit of different styles throughout the album. Necrophagist was brilliant because they did that shit before anyone else & because “Epitaph” just fucking kills! Who knows what their new stuff will sound like…
groverXIII

Caps lock is like cruise control for coolness.
Malacoda

I’m glad to find someone who hates Obscura as much as I do… but I’m afraid from your/my arguments on this list, I’ve discovered that you like bands that I both love and hate (and vice versa).
SourDeez

Necrophagist sucks ass. Plain and simple. Llistening to them is like having your colon cleansed.
groverXIII

I prefer Necrophagist over, say, Psycroptic.

Giley

Yay another Kiwi on here! Although I have no idea where the Auckland Smiths City is…

http://myspace.com/aaronlynnbaker Goat

good timing!

i just purchased this album yesterday, now all you have to do it put cattle decapitation’s karma, bloody karma. and buckethead’s “enter the chicken” and you will be gods!
Ben

What a bunch of cock sucking retards. Did you all wander over here from Blabbermouth??? Seriously, the mass IQ level in here is in constant decline as it is. Some of you, though, really scrape the bottom.
http://www.myspace.com/437666934 Noel

god, i cant believe i wasted 4 minutes scimming this decathalon of glover111 and ziltoid posts…

all i can say about this list is…ZOLTAN ZOOOOLTAN!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ziltoid

Hey, it was your choice. Don’t blame me.
groverXIII

Don’t blame me… I didn’t force you to do it.

Malacoda

Jesus fucking christ, I’ve almost given up the list.
Malacoda

The list is entirely nu metal and metalcore.
All Out War

Glad this made the list. Great cd.
bearwizard

this is starting to get a little tiring………
Malacoda

My list, by the way (in no particular order):

Meshuggah – Chaosphere (Because it basically defined the Meshuggahn sound)
Killswitch Engage – the End of Heartache
Opeth – Blackwater Park
The Ocean – Precambrian
Between the Buried and Me – Colors
Nile – Annihilation of the Wicked
Behemoth – Demigod
Animals as Leaders – Self Titled
Cannibal Corpse – Kill
Slipknot – Iowa
In Flames – Clayman
Cephalic Carnage – Anomalies
Cattle Decapitation – The Harvest Floor
Sigh – Imaginary Sonicscape
Animosity – Shut it Down (Which singlehandedly invented deathcore)
All Shall Perish – The Price of Existence
The Faceless – Planetary Duality
Decapitated – NIhility
Machine Head – the Blackening
Dark Tranquillity – Fiction
Strapping Young Lad – Alien

Ben

Good list, aside from some albums not in the 21st century.
Ziltoid

About 50/50 IMO. Chaosphere was in the 90s.

The good 50 is pretty good/great stuff. The bad 50…is awful. But nice to see The Ocean–Precambrian on someone’s list. Very nice album.
Malacoda

Fuck, that’s right about Chaosphere. Change it to “Nothing”.
groverXIII

Nice to see Animals As Leaders getting some love… it wouldn’t be in my 21, but it’s a great album.
sYgnal

Your bustin my nuts about Municipal Waste when you got Slipknot,Killswitch Engage & In Flames on your list?! HA! GET YER FUCKIN EARS CHECKED!!

Malacoda

I have those on there because, while I don’t like any of those that much, they were extremely important 21st century albums. KSE basically invented metalcore, which you can’t ignore (however much you try) and same goes for Slipknot and nu metal. I like In Flames, and I find that more people like them than fucking Municipal Waste.

sYgnal

Well, the list is “21 BEST metal albums” NOT “21 most important metal albums to new or existing shitty sub-genres”.

Though, I’m pretty sure Earth Crisis invented Metalcore (Which is shit)& Korn for Nu-Metal(Also shit)

Nor is it the “21 most metal albums listened to”.

By your logic, Avenged Sevenfold should probably be on the list too because more people listen to them than Municipal Waste & because they invented shitty Pop-Metal.

Malacoda

Fair point, they deserve to be taken off.

Pahkmycah

Good album.

Nuff said, I don’t feel like arguing with whiny kids.
xXxDarkfoxXx

Don’t forget Gojira, Meshuggah, Five Finger Death Punch, and Nile.

Ziltoid

Let’s have Emmure as well.

lolwut

five finger death suck and nile need to also die
Malacoda

Emmure and 5FDP fucking suck. to lolwut: Nile rules.
SourDeez

After years and years of listening to underground, brutal, technical, repulsive death metal, I’ve grown to realize that Nile are popular for a reason: They kick copious amounts of ass.

Ziltoid

But they also do the same thing over and over again with almost no variation whatsoever. I actually liked Annihilation of the Wicked, but everything else they done bores me to tears. They’re like the tech death version of the new Gojira album–music that just drags on unnecessarily with no changes or meaning whatsoever that’s there for the sake of being there.

lkgf09

who knew this list would have so many shitty non metal bands on it.
http://www.facebook.com/roshinn Dan Wolfson

I have a few not-mentioned-yet-for-some-reason-I-think albums I’d like to see.

Melvins – A Senile Animal
Agoraphobic Nosebleed – Agorapocalypse (for the LULZ)
Electric Wizard – Dopethrone
High on Fire – Blessed Black Wings or Death Is This Communion
The Haunted – Versus
Skeletonwitch – Beyond the Permafrost

And many more.

Ziltoid

Dopethrone is the best album you listed. Therefore, it is least likely to be on this list. That’s how bad this list is.

http://www.facebook.com/roshinn Dan Wolfson

look, I know everyone’s pissed that this list doesn’t cater to their opinion, but I guarantee that the next 10 will be better.

No I don’t, but where’d the optimism go?

I LOVE OPTIMISM

GO ME

20 eyes

ZILTOID KNOWS EVERYTHING, HE MUST HAVE ALOT OF TIME ON HIS BLISTERED HANDS

http://www.facebook.com/roshinn Dan Wolfson

I wish Acid Bath had a new release. I would Auto-Put it at #1

Lord Bling

Props to this. Love Acid Bath. Miss ‘em.

matt

Chino Moreno has got to be the most boring singer out there. He constantly sounds out of breath.

*adds one more voice to the ocean of bitching about this album*
Leviathan696

i love this album and the band is fucking amazing but i thought this was suppose to be a metal list??
karlos

I dig around the fur, dunno if it’s metal, but this album just bores me. It’s just not…heavy.

So this is better than the blackening?

I’d put good money on trivium being in the top 10 based on the list so far.
MrMustache

Yeah, dudes,
I hate musical variety as much as I hate……uhm……ice cream???
cool album!!!! still one of the best bands and if you all hate deftones so much why don’t you hate between the buried and me as soon as they sing? honestly…..as long as it is good music….
CYN1C

I seriously hope you’ve been saving the top 10 for European bands as all have been American and that’s not fair, since we know that European METAL is currently, and have been for a long time, kicking the shit out of American METAL (save a very few and select bands).

*Note; METAL in CAPS as a reminder to please stay METAL
flamesin

This amount of complaining is fucking unnecessary. Has anyone taken a moment to fucking look at the panel? Look at the panel, and then look at the choices coming through. Suddenly the list makes a hell of a lot of sense..
sYgnal

I don’t think I posted a list in this thread,so, “Here I Go Again…on my own”…*Smirk*

(no particular order)

Necrophagist – Epitaph
Opeth – Blackwater Park
Neuraxis – Trilateral Progression
Gorod – Leading Vision
Spiral Architect – A Sceptic’s Universe
Blotted Science – The Machinations of Dementia
Illogicist – The Insight Eye
Psycroptic – Symbols of Failure
Cynic – Traces of Air
Exivious – S/T
Darkane – Layers of Lies
Iced Earth – Horror Show
Demons & Wizards – S/T
Gordian Knot – Emergent
Quo Vadis – Defiant Imagination
Pestilence – Resurrection Macabre
Sceptic – Pathetic Beingi
Heaven & Hell – The Devil You Know
Evile – Enter the Grave
Municipal Waste – The Art of Partying
Kreator – Enemy of God

Malacoda

Seriously? Municipal Waste? The only ones I agree with are Iced Earth, Opeth, and Blotted Science.

sYgnal

Well, that’s fine that you don’t like Municipal Waste but name another band that plays good ‘ol Thrash as fast & tight as they do…

Malacoda

It’s not tight at all. When I saw them live, they were incredibly sloppy, and the vocals are terrible.

groverXIII

The new Gorod album is much better than Leading Vision, and Leading Vision is a good album.

There’s a lot of stuff on the list I listen to, although they wouldn’t necessarily make my 21.

sYgnal

Hmmm…Didn’t care too much for the new Gorod because it didn’t have that joyous kinda odd/jazzy/circus-y feel to it.

iolanach

The new Gorod is excellent, but yes, it isn’t as good as Leading Vision.
groverXIII

I like the new Gorod because it’s more memorable to me… there’s several parts where they slow it down just a bit and groove, oddly enough, and I love it.

Loganarchy

I just listened to this album. Okay, I think we’ve reached the point where we all agree this album is not “metal.

Many of you have said that just because an album is heavy doesn’t mean it’s metal. There’s been albums on this list that people have declared NOT metal, even it they are heavy.

What I don’t get….this album isn’t even heavy, so how could the judges put it on the list? Sure, there’s a few heavy songs on here, but for the most part it’s a rock/hard rock record. I wouldn’t even go as far as to call it nu metal- Korn’s albums are much heavier than this (and yes, Korn is not metal. I know that).

So not only did the judges screw up with this pick (I’m fine with everything else on this list, FYI), they put it ahead of some amazing metal albums. Hmmmm…..

Ziltoid

Yep, the judges screwed up. I think they fucked up on every choice so far. But I seriously lol’d when Rob from Metal Injection (a celebrity, obviously) tried to e-bully me in the Lateralus topic when I said that all of these voters should get out of the music industry. He tried to defend himself by making it seem like he has standing in the “industry” and that this list is “meaningful.” Oh, that was just so much fun to read.

youcantkillthe metal

What makes me laugh is that he is a celebrity, and you are a nobody.

Yes, I’m sorry I had to be the one to break this news to you, but you are fucking nothing. You are a self-righteous little turd, and a nobody – and you will never amount anything more than what you post here.

I feel sorry for you – you sad, sad little creature…
Ziltoid

If you didn’t get the sarcasm, I was joking that he really isn’t a celebrity, but instead just some guy who posts on a dumb website that doesn’t even exist to non-metal fans.

If I am a nobody, then you are a nobody as well. You are just as “fucking nothing” as everyone else here. Of course, when I attack people here, it tends to be about music and/or something they posted (an argument which I then substantiate), instead of just grade school name calling techniques like you have just done.

If I’m going to be a nobody, then I might a well be the smartest nobody here. Trust me, I am the one pitying you — you dumb, dumb little creature…

http://www.myspace.com/breathofmetalproductions pokesmot

lol shit fucking choice
http://salsicha.wordpress.com Gabriel

It doesn’t matter if it’s nu-metal or not, Deftones are great and White Pony rules a lot!
Ilike this album because it’s like a transition: it still bears some of those ‘jump-jump riffs’ from the first two albums, but at the same time has songs like Digital Bath and Change. The best of Deftones’ work starts in this album!
http://www.myspace.com/allaboutthemusicpublicity big_metal_al

Yes, White Pony did for sure show Deftones evolution, and a very influential piece of art. Do agree that “RX Queen” shows the band towards their catchiest – what about a shout-out to Maynard James Keenan on “Passenger”? Yeah, I do think that White Pony shows Deftones at their strongest, and Chino still with his scream, kinda. Beautiful album, fo sho!!

Loganarchy

LOL. When I listened to “Passenger” i thought it sounded like Tool. I guess I was kinda right.

Frank

Holy fuck. Look me in the face and tell me this album is better than Lateralus. Fucking tell me the Deftones surpass Tool in musicianship, artistry and songwriting.

FFS

http://www.last.fm/user/carnage9 Carnage9

FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUU-

no. way. is this. better. than tool. oh well. i agree with everything else. heres my top 21 if anyone’s interested:

Meshuggah – Catch33
Gojira – From Mars to Sirius
Cradle of Filth – Nymphetamine
Slipknot – Iowa (yeah i said SLIPKNOT)
Opeth – Blackwater Park
Meshuggah – Obzen
The Dillinger Escape Plan – Ire Works
Converge – Jane Doe
Cancer Bats – Birthing the Giant
Behemoth – The Apostasy
Dimmu Borgir – Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia
Electric Wizard – Witchcult Today
Electric Wizard – Dopethrone
Tool – Lateralus (it IS metal)
Lamb of God – As the Palaces Burn
Kylesa – Time Will Fuse Its Worth
Necrophagist – Epitaph
Amorphis – Elegy
Opeth – Ghost Reveries
Between the Buried and Me – The Silent Circus
The Haunted – The Haunted Made Me Do It

Loganarchy

Personally, I prefer Static Tensions to Time Will Fuse Its Worth.

DGP

I love White Pony and every other Deftones album. I’d put their self-titled album on this list too. Doesn’t mean I don’t love my death/thrash/black metal as much as the next death/thrash/black metalhead.
Chris

What a bunch of fucking elitist pussies that visit this site.

It’s metal and it rules.
masterjake5000

I just listened to engine number 9 and wasnt sure if i was listening to Limp Bizkit or not…..
large jockstrap

lol nu metal.

pwned
Santa Claus

As much as I disagree with the absolute shit and misplacement of albums on the list. I thank zombie jesus right now that I dont have to listen to what other people think is good music. Also I find that most people in the music industry even some musicians dont know SHIT about music. This is just reaffirming my belief that nobody know what there talking about.
http://bleak46n2.blogspot.com bleak46n2

hmmmm…
good choice…
but it shudve been below lateralus in my opinion…
Andrew

As much as I didn’t agree with most of the banter in the Tool thread, I must agree about Deftones – this album is listenable if you’re into that sort of thing, but to call it Metal is insane. There’s nothing metal about it other than there are guitars being played occasionally and there is a drummer, but even that doesn’t qualify for shit.

Bad pick is bad.

Shame.
Daniel

stfu and go listen to the new anaal nathrakh.
jimbobby

If this list doesn’t have a good album on it i’m going to kill myself.

poop

Yeah lets see some fuckin Abominable Putridity, Human Mincer, Spawn Of Possession, Gorgasm, Severed Savior, Vehemence, Vital Remains, Hate Eternal, Decrepit Birth, Eifel 65, Inveracity, Into Eternity, Heaven Shall Burn, SuckMyBalls, Deeds Of Flesh, Dying Fetus, Green Day, or Selena Gomez on here wooooo!

TXn

METALSUCKS:

Any idea the AVERAGE AGE of all these voters?????
Thanks!
Anselmowitz

21 weakest american metal albums amirite? No hope for top ten.
phale

i listened the crap out of this when it came out. i had a discman with those clamps on the sides (shockwave i think it was called). i saw deftones at a festival with foo fighters, the ‘last’ smashing pumpkins tour, and some random alternative stuff going around at that time. a perfect circle was supposed to play, but they bailed with some personal excuse. nevertheless, maynard came on stage for passenger, and it was one of my lifetime top 5 concert experiences (two others of which are tool, hehe). chino also rode the crowd on a big piece of plywood, which was the first time id seen that.

this album appearing on the list, more than toxicity or lateralus, has changed my expectations of what the list means and what i can expect from it. to tell the truth, i was hoping for hipster metal: gojira, opeth, mastodon, wolves in the throne room, isis, and machine head; and some trendy prog stuff like cynic, btbam, and protest the hero. i figured some good-to-meh melocore would appear, like lamb of god, chimaira, etc. (my favourite metalcore album is summon in thunder by himsa, and i would flip to see that on this list.) basically, i was expecting a distillation of the musical taste i see displayed on this site. i figured the bloggers chose a panel to reflect their tastes. i was interested to see this taste in list form so i could steal whatever i didnt have.

but i keep seeing alternative albums i actually listened to back then (2001), when i thought metal meant somewhere between samael and cryptopsy. i think most of the panel are close to my age, and probably listened to a lot of radio rock in the late 90s, and thats why i feel such a sense of nostalgia from this list (or else the panel is way old and are trying to guess what the kids think is cool). so now im interested in this list as sort of a doorway between metal and mainstream.

im really curious if more segments of alternative rock will be dragged screaming into the metal canon by this list. i wouldnt be surprised to see NIN/fragile at this point. or qotsa.

sYgnal

Since when has Cynic become trendy? “Traced in Air” is quite original.

I guess I could see Opeth being sorta hip now but back in 2001 they were still fairly unknown & crushing people with “Blackwater Park”.

Still, “Adrenaline”(I know it’s not eligible) was Deftones only release worth listening to but it definitely isn’t timeless. I’m just waiting to see an RATM album show up….NOT!

phale

ratm are not eligible (their covers album wont make it, trust me). i was gonna mention them too.

i like most of the bands i listed. blackwater park crushed me in 2001– it was the first album with grunts & growls that really converted me. i still think it should be in the top 10, no matter what kind of american poop is in the lower half. if blackwater park isnt on the list, fucking ahmadinejad is going down.

SourDeez

For all the talk about them being “hipster metal”, I’ve never seen a single hipster at a Wolves in The Throne Room show, nor have I ever met a hipster who has even heard of Wolves. The only people who listen to them are metalheads, it’s never been trendy to listen to black metal and it never will be.

http://www.last.fm/user/carnage9 Carnage9

FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUU-

no. way. is this. better. than tool. oh well. i agree with everything else. heres my top 21 if anyone’s interested:

Meshuggah – Catch33
Gojira – From Mars to Sirius
Cradle of Filth – Nymphetamine
Slipknot – Iowa (yeah i said SLIPKNOT)
Opeth – Blackwater Park
Meshuggah – Obzen
The Dillinger Escape Plan – Ire Works
Converge – Jane Doe
Cancer Bats – Birthing the Giant
Behemoth – The Apostasy
Dimmu Borgir – Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia
Electric Wizard – Witchcult Today
Electric Wizard – Dopethrone
Tool – Lateralus (it IS metal)
Lamb of God – As the Palaces Burn
Kylesa – Time Will Fuse Its Worth
Necrophagist – Epitaph
Amorphis – Elegy
Opeth – Ghost Reveries
Between the Buried and Me – The Silent Circus
Suicide Silence – The Cleansing (not trollin)

xXxDarkfoxXx

Are you serious: Suicide Silence(emocore), Slipknot(posers),and Cradle of Filth(I don’t know what they are).

http://www.last.fm/user/carnage9 Carnage9

1) Suicide Silence are deathcore
2) no YOU’RE a poser
3) Cradle of Filth are metal

:)
http://www.last.fm/user/carnage9 Carnage9

oh and yes, yes i am serious.

http://lordsofmetal.nl/index.php?lang=en Cavorka

Elegy was from the 90′s, don’t you mean ‘Eclipse’?

http://www.last.fm/user/carnage9 Carnage9

yeah sorry my bad.

xXxDarkfoxXx

Oh no YOU’RE the real poser. Your’e a moggot. I bet you think Joey Jordison is the fastest drummer ever. You probably think Cradle of Filth is a REAL black metal band and you actually consider Suicide Silence metal. I can think of a ten bands that really diserve those spots.

xXxDarkfoxXx

I ment deserve!
http://www.last.fm/user/carnage9 Carnage9

no, joey jordison is far from the fastest drummer. i think that title would go to hellhammer or tomas haake. Cradle of Filth is far from black metal, id just call them metal. i do appreciate some “real” black metal like Xasthur, Dark Funeral and Gorgoroth though.. and yeah id consider Suicide Silence metal, if you dont then you’re a poser. i dont see how it could fit into any other genre.

phale

in an episode of delirious fugue brought on by heatstroke and religious intimidation, i bought that cancer bats album. it shouldnt be on anyones list. unless it can bump cradle of filth. cancer bats squeeze out some good riffs but they arent ready to make albums yet.

Crusty Hippo

Wow, Deftones? I wouldn’t even wipe my ass with this abortion of a CD.

But I understand the list now! It goes in order of bands that stray away from metal all together. Every album straying further than the last.

Kanye West for #1? Sounds br00tal
Carter

FUCK what the FUCK
DC

Dear METALSUCKS,

LOVE the site…. HATE your readers!
Kyle

Jesus. With the way things are going on this garbage list I think Hollywood Undead may actually be #1.
Andypants!!!

Nice pick. Love this album.
http://infinitybasement.wordpress.com billybob

Good list so far MS! I’m enjoying reading the tragic comments from those who actually take this stuff seriously as an insult to their manhood. Cudos!
Nordic

One of the better alternative hard rock albums of the 00s for sure, not so much metal though.
http://www.welovemetal.com We Love Metal

I really didn’t expect to see this on here. This list is getting very interesting…
http://lordsofmetal.nl/index.php?lang=en FleischBerg

Hypocrisy’s Virus better be number 1 to make up for most of the bands on this list….
http://myspace.com/whitearmsofathena Josh

Get the fuck over you CLASSIFYING EVERY LITTLE THING. STOP WORRYING ABOUT WHAT THE FUCK IT SOUNDS LIKE AND LISTEN TO IT! HOLY SHIT! IF BANDS GAVE A SHIT ABOUT WHAT YOU LIKED AND DIDNT LIKE, WED ALL BE MINI POP STARS AND LIP SYNCHING SELL OUTS WHORING OURSELVES TO ANYTHING WITH A HEART AND A WALLET.

AND IT WOULD BE METAL…..

Crusty Hippo

no

erock

I never really liked this album that much. In fact, the only Deftones album that belongs on this list is Around the Fur.

Rik

Wrong decade, doofus.

American Hate

This isn’t metal, not even close… the fact this this band is absolutley terrible it irrelevant. This shouldnt have been an option.

1997 called – they want their crappy fad rock back.
vitruvianApe

yes, im loving the list, not only bc i agree with most of the choices (so far) but bc every sand panty wearing commenter is going so ape shit against it. I think a poll is in order upon completion of the list: What defines real metal?
The Great Danton

Here’s my top ten in no particular order (Not that anyone cares)

Between the Buried and Me – Colors
Cynic – Traced in Air
Protest the Hero – Kezia or Fortress, can’t decide
Opeth – Watershed
Human Abstract – Nocturne
Mastodon – Crack the Skye
Trivium – Shogun
Metallica – Death Magnetic
Lamb of God – Wrath
Avenged Sevenfold – City of Evil (Flame Shield…)

Malacoda

I agree with: BTBAM, Opeth, and Cynic. The rest – you need massive flame shield.

Steve

Finally a pick 100% agree with, my only concern is it should be higher.

And the IS metal maybe not some pepoles favorite flavor judging by the comments above but “this isn’t metal” comments?? cmon…… not all metal has to have horrible vocals and high BPM’s.
American Hate

bitchy whiny emo vocals do not make a metal album. terrible music with no substance and no riffs do not make a metal album.

this list is officially a joke.
Cam

Half of these posts can be summed up in one word/sound effect…wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I don’t know if I’d put this album in my top 21, but nobody cares about mine so I can’t complain…it’s really not that bad of an album. Of the Deftones ones that were put out in the time period that was voted on however, I would have picked this one hands down.
Anthony

We’re gonna get Marilyn Manson’s Holy Wood in the top 10 aren’t we?
LilalCFH

Fuck Deftones. Comma. Fuck this list. Period
SolaceInNothing

This is the only Deftones album that I own, and like. I guess if any Deftones album would be for this list, it would be this one.
Martin

FUCK YEAH!

I love deftones. Fuck all the haters!

HOWEVER,

this list is kinda lame. The only thing that isn’t bullshit so far is this, the two mastodon albums and tool.

I was hoping for some Breathing is Irrelevant or Within Dividia to make the list (probably two of the most original albums that have come out in the past 10 years) but I don’t think this will happen. Trivium will probably make the number one spot and lets face it. There isn’t much that is lamer than Trivium.
Dave B

I love the Deftones. Seen them at least 15+ times live.

BUT

This album does not belong. This is the best? of the 1st decade of metal? I love Pantera too, is Reinventing the Steel going to show up?
Mancubus

I remember when I got into metal in 01 and this was one of the first metal records that I ever heard. Even today, I stand in awe of this album. The thing that truly makes this album as great as it is is Abe Cunningham’s drumming. It proves that you don’t have to drum as fast as you possibly can in order to give a world class metal performance. Every hit is timed perfectly with regards to the song so that the audience truly feels the force behind this album.

And lets not forget that Elite was the heaviest song that I heard until I entered college. It was just so brutal and prepared me for the death metal that I love now. This album totally deserves it’s place on the list.
RICHARD DAWKINS

THIS IS THE ONLY GOOD ALBUM ON THIS LIST SO FAR.

FUCK YOU ALL IF YOU DON’T AGREE WITH ME I’M A FUCKING PROFESSOR WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU?
http://manmanmanman.man Man

THIS IS THE ONLY BAD ALBUM ON THE LIST SO FAR.

FUCK YOUR 90S-BORN TEENAGE NU-METAL-SYMPATHETIC ASS!
http://richarddawkins.net/ RICHARD DAWKINS

FOR YOUR INFORMATION I WAS BORN IN 1941, YOU JUMPED UP LITTLE ARSEHOLE.

I WAS BLASTING METAL WHILE YOU WERE STILL SUCKING ON YOUR DADDY’S DICK.

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