HEADBANGER’S BALL TO BE REVIVED IN 2010 WITH JOSE MANGIN AS HOST?
Thursday, June 25th, 2009 at 3:20pm by Vince Neilstein
First SMNnews.com reported that Jose Mangin revealed in a Metal Injection podcast that Headbanger’s Ball will return to MTV in 2010 with him as the host. Then the sleuths at Metal Insider contacted Jose himself to ask him about the situation. Mangin denies any official full-time launch of the show or his place in it, but he does promise that some plans are in the works for Headbanger’s Ball in 2010. Sounds to me like Mangin is at the very least in the running for the host job but perhaps spilled the beans a bit too soon.
But here’s the thing: can Headbangers Ball even be relevant anymore? In 2009, a TV show about metal hardly seems like it will, or even can, matter at all.
Don’t get me wrong; it’d certainly be cool to have a TV show devoted to metal. We’ve met and hung out with Mangin a few times here in NYC and he seems like a cool and knowledgeable dude who’d be perfect for the role of host. But how can a weekly TV show that plays 10 music videos possibly relevant when it’s competing with the Internet, where an infinite amount of music videos are available on demand any time I want them?? Music videos and band interviews are updated on the Internet constantly from dozens of quality sources and they can be turned around in a matter of hours; what role would a weekly TV show serve? It’s hard to imagine what any TV show could offer that we don’t already have in plentiful abundance?
I can hear the record label promo staff already: “We can debut music videos there and reach a huge audience!” True. But then what? Why not premier a video on the Internet where potential fans can watch, re-watch, send to their friends, post to their social networking profiles, etc? A TV view is a one-way transaction that shuts down interactivity and potential new fans outside its immediate reach from the get-go.
At this point I feel like any yearning for a metal TV show is actually redirected nostalgia for what Headbanger’s Ball meant during our formative years. At that time it was incredibly important; it was how we found out about new metal, heard our favorite songs, and saw what our heroes looked like. We couldn’t get that stuff anywhere else, but now we can get all of that instantly, and more importantly today’s generation of teenagers are growing up relying on the Internet for music discovery. A metal TV show just seems archaic to me. Why would I watch it? Give me one good reason. Doesn’t matter who the host is or what’s on it.
-VN
Some people are still doughy couch surfers who find the internet too taxing on thier brains, hence the existence of a shrinking but relatively loyal cable/satellite TV audience for things like lifestyle shows and sporting events. Pay TV may occupy less of the entertainment sphere than emerging media, but it ain’t going anywhere anytime soon.
Just to clear the air, Jose is being a little misquoted. If you want to hear the audio from the internet, we extracted a clip of just HBB talk:
http://metalinjection.net/podcasts/metal-injection-livecast-quickie-jose-mangin-discusses-headbangers-ball
JOSIE IS A FUCKING DOUCHE …he might as well be BART SIMPSON….
ANYONE COULD ACT as GAKED UP as he is…
if he didn’t do coke and just acted like that to make people talk\ he’s a dick…
get a COKE HABIT then i’ll take you seriously…
FUCKING ASSHOLE!!!!
(PS dont hit me up about how me makes more $ then me cuz he’s on free sponsered radio asshole)
Yeah exactly, I hate liquid shit because of this guy. Utterly annoying!!!! The Boneyard is more METAL than liquid metal!
Watch Party Down on STARZ it’s a great show …check that Shit out….
In view of the relevance of websites such as this and your independent bretheren, I think you may have a perfectly valid point. Both fans and industry insiders rely on these sites. The popularity of certain mega-metal acts aside, I’m not sure the corporate metal taste-making of yester-year will fly anymore.
I could, however, be wrong; after all, it wouldn’t be the first time.
Love and Rockets,
Shinaain
As an afterthought, and in counterpoint to my earlier statement, I offer you the following statement from Doc Coyle in his MetalSucks interview:
“I think we all live in an internet bubble, and we think that that’s the real perception when it’s not always the way it is. If that’s the way it was, then bands like Disturbed and Godsmack wouldn’t sell a million records. There are a lot of people out there who don’t give a shit about the internet. That’s not how they find out about music. They still buy CDs. They go with their gut, and they’re not trendy. That’s most of America in the Middle and down South. A lot of Europe is like that too. Sometimes we forget that because [we think] New York is the world. We’re kind of like in this funnel air of industry elitism. You know how it is. We all get together and debate over records and shit.”
http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/05/18/god-forbids-doc-coyle-speaks-with-metalsucks-on-the-record-whatever-that-means/
Great point Shinaain. But if the new HBB follows that format, all they’ll air are Disturbed and Godsmack videos, and people like us won’t give a shit anyway… so my point still stands!
Indeed, Vince. *sigh*
All things considered, I’ll cop to still holding a torch for the show that I had to stay over at friends’ houses on Saturday nights to see, because my family didn’t have cable and wouldn’t have let me stay up to watch that show, anyway. But cold logic tells me it’s day has passed and that the metal community better serves itself without profligate corporate interference. (For lack of a better metaphor, Corporate Metal can run to the store and grab me more beer and munchies, but they’d better not bring back anything I didn’t authorize prior. I keep my pimp hand strong.)
Damn you, Sour Deez, for that trip down Memory Lane. Damn you…
Wistfully yours,
Shinaain
EVERYONE STFU AND LISTEN TO SIKTH!
well duh.
It’s not just Headbanger’s Ball that I have trouble believing will have any relevancy, it’s MTV in general. Does ANYONE still watch that godawful fucking tripe anymore? Those assholes shark-jumped in like, 1993 or something (or pretty much whenever “The Real-ish Sort of But Not Really at All Unless You’re A Complete Retard and think It Actually Is in Which Case for God’s Sake Please Don’t Spawn World” made it’s spine-stabbingly horrible debut).
There’s a lot of teenage girls in the world, man.
Also, I’m fairly certain I’ve never seen Jose Mangin *not* making the facial expression in the above photo. I’m pretty sure that’s just how he looks. I bet his Mom was pissed come school pictures day.
100% relevant in the correct time slot. The latest Nielsen report shows that kids are still watching 104.24 hours of TV per month, which is up from last year even though it’s behind the age group just above which watches 153.27 hours per month. In addition, the report shows that the US is 9th in the world in TV hours watched.
Is that the Jose from the metal station on Sirius Sattelite radio? He does know his metal but he is terribly annoying to listen to. The way he talks and says dude and bro constantly makes me want to drive fingers in my eyes. Is this the same guy?
Don’t you mean drive your fingers into your ears?
Yes, the same guy from Liquid Metal/Hard Attack. His bro & dude can get a little annoying, but overall I think he’s great. Very knowledgeable and a pretty funny guy. He does really well in his interviews now, so I think he would be a great pick for this show.
I can’t stand Jose.
Jose, a limited playlist on the metal station, and Stern becoming the Artie death-countdown are what drove me away from Sirius.
How many Suicidal Tendencies songs can I hear in a day? Seemingly on the hour!
Screen size…sometimes a computer screen just don’t cut it when you want to experience the music
Personally, I prefer watching music videos on my TV’s On Demand as opposed to the internet because both the video and sound quality are much better than my laptop. Plus the TV goes a lot louder…even with my external speakers the computer isn’t too loud. I should rethink my setup, the only way I can get real volume is if I plug my computer into my guitar amp and play it out through there.
I was going to say the same thing. You can see, well, pretty much ANYTHING on the internet at this point. So why is television relevant at all? Besides the fact that you can see new episodes, live shows, etc not available immediately on the internet, there are issues of quality; some people (including myself) just prefer to see it on a television.
IMHO, Cable/Satellite is still relevant due to the A/V quality & there is still some cool content . I mean, I am a huge supporter of the internet and with time it will only get sooo much better, but right now, I love the audio/video quality from my 42″ 1080p LCD TV, plus I have my FIOS DVR running through my receiver,so, the HD channels come in 5.1.
Now for the Not-So-Metal part… I love the National Geographic/Discovery shows about animals in HD…*Ducks Down*
animals ALWAYS look good in HD, I bought Planet Earth on Blu Ray mainly just to show off my 50″ 1080p DLP TV. You know what else fucking looks good in HD? Water, seriously. Both the Pirate’s sequels were perfect for that.
The format of the ball sucks now. It’s video, commercial, video, commercial, video. But Jose has popped up a few times, and at least he’s enthusiastic about the genre of music, Jasta was duller than shit. Honestly, I wish the show was more a celebration of metal rather than ‘here’s a couple of questions, next video’.
Why can’t Ricki Rachtman host again? I presume he’s free save for the occasional VH1 reality show.
but what would everyone be saying if it was announced that headbangers ball would be no more?
When someone tunes into the show, they are forced to watch whatever video is on, while on the internet you only watch stuff that piques your interest. It’s similar to how one might overlook a band or album, but then winds up liking it because he hears it whenever he rides with his friend in his car. He may be turned off of it at first, but being forced to listen to it will perhaps open his mind. If someone is forced to watch a video on HB, people might watch a video that they might otherwise overlook.
good point. I discovered a lot of new music that way. Stuff that I’d initially dismissed and refused to give a chance until I’m actually forced to watch/listen to it.
Jose deserves it. Easily one of the nicest people in the music industry. The show will kick-ass with him.
I think it is relevant for me thanks to tivo. I record the shows to see what played, zip through the segments and stop if anything looks remotely interesting. I do the same with Tonight Show/Late Night power viewings.
If Headbangers Ball was the same as it was back in the day, then it would definitely be relevant. They used to have shit like Dave Mustaine skydiving and Anthrax destroying a house. Sure, you can find whatever videos you want on the internet, but a TV show with a hefty MTV budget can afford to set up unique experiences with different bands. MTV2 basically ignored the last Headbanger’s Ball and turned it into Slamdancer’s Ball with no interviews, and even when there were interviews Jamey Jasta wasn’t exactly the brightest personality. Sites like Metalinjection have great interviews but they don’t do stuff like go to a waterpark with Alice In Chains or go skydiving with Megadeth. If they brought that back and put real metal bands that metalheads listen to on the show, I would absolutely watch it.
You, sir, have a point.
but that was back in the day…and if you werent there, it doesnt matter anyway, because you wouldnt understand.
they really should end this show. i used to watch it when it was first revived with jasta and if he couldnt do it what makes you think that lame dude from sirius could? the problem with the show isnt that its on tv its that it plays shit metal videos. it plays like metalica, KsE, and shit like that, it doesnt have a true metal fan base. its flavor of the week bullshit.
It shows new videos made within in the week or month…..what do you expect from them, only show videos from 20 years ago? Do you have a learning disability?
I dont really understnad what would be the bad thing about metal on tv? Unless of coarse your run a metal blog and are constantly battling for views ; )
But seriously, if mtv(2) is going to fill up its schedule it might at least have something different then lady fucking ga ga.
Well, usually it’s the kind of steakhead metal that gives more intelligent, decent metal a bad name. Stuff like Disturbed, Hatebreed, and Suicide Silence.
Headbangers Ball comes on every Saturday at 1a.m. central. there isn’t a host which is great, just mediocre metal videos.
I don’t think I get MTV2 on Rogers in Canada. I’m still stuck with that shitty half our Loud at 1:30 am on Saturdays.
If the new Headbanger’s Ball actually had some cool insider shit with the bands and some rare concert footage I might stay up that late watching TV or DVR it. If it’s anything like the last HBB,(shitty videos & run of the mill / generic Metalcore bands)then they can shit-can that crap…I don’t even care if Dee Snider was hosting it!
I don’t have television. I mean, I have a television, but I don’t have cable or satellite or any of that. It’s not a statement or anything, I just wanna/can’t pay for it. However, I don’t reckon I would watch headbangers ball even if I did. I get my info on new bands from word of mouth and from metalsucks. The stuff you guys recommend is pretty cool. I can’t tell you how many bands I’ve discovered just by reading what everyone has to say about “The List”, and chiming in with their two cents on great metal albums and great new bands that should be on the aforementioned. There should be some sort of thread on this site where we can recommend bands to one another that each other might not have heard of.
slipknot slipknot drowning pool slipknot lamb of god all that remain slipknot killswitch engage slipknot suicide silence slipknot…. maybe they will learn to grow a little and try to mix it up every week, saw it 2 weeks in a row and the difference was pathetic, would be a good place to give smaller bands a break, instead of just plugging the big ones, maybe that will be the case, but with that douchlord as host it is bound to go straight to the shitter, unfortunately most things on tv that are about metal are out of their element or completely irrelevant
I couldn’t think of a worse person for this job. That dude is a mega tool.
i had to listen to this fucker between everyband at the no fear tour in newyork, he was very very very annoying and uncool. It was fine the first time he went up, but then he just kept doing these fucking screams trying to be metal when really he just looks like and sounds like a giant tool. Everyone was booing him after he went up for the third time.
i dont know much about metal but i got my start watching headbangers ball a few years ago… lately it seems to be getting shittier and shittier since they’ve started airing videos from bands that i can only imagine 14 year old girls would be interested in… since they cut the show into an hour, it seems they only play 6 (maybe less?) videos and there’s little to no variety from week to week… if they could extend it to two hours & really show variety in the bands they feature & the videos they air, they might hook me…
Who do you think watches MTV in the first place? Metalheads or teenage girls?
Really, pandering to that demographic by showing watered-down, easily digestable ‘metal’ is sort of a no-brainer. I’m pretty sure teen girls are MUCH better consumers to target than 18-35 white guys who can, most of the time, see through the shit.
Matt Pinfield!
Ooooooo, good one!
i heard this dude on xm pronounce behemoth as BEH-HUH-MATH. knows his shit? i don’t think so….
he needs to lose that hair, or grow more…. anything
A man with a fauxhawk shouldn’t be hosting a metal show, he should be hosting a show called Boy Band Review.
exactly…
If the show has some more original style content it could be worth watching, such as High Quality live concert footage thats would only be available on the program. But, if they are just going to be playing the same videos that are available all over the internet then chop off its head and bury it deep. We don’t need another brain dead zombie roaming the airwaves.
This guy looks like a tool. I don’t know who the fuck he is. This version of HBB will probably get shoved to the side for Viva La Bam reruns too.
The way I see it, a new HBB this year would basically only serve one purpose: to get unsuspecting TV viewers interested in metal.
Sure, videos are available on the internet to watch, re-watch, share, download, send to friends etc… but if your friends aren’t into metal and you don’t go looking, where are you going to be exposed to it? By stumbling on an episode of HBB and going ‘hey, that’s actually pretty awesome’. THEN you go look it up on the internet.
That said, I’ve never heard of Jose Mangin but in that photo he looks like a tool. If you’re going for a ‘hawk, do it properly, and throwing horns is reserved for shows and the occasional slice of irony – not to show people on the other side of the camera how ‘metal’ you are.
Like everyone else here has said: it’ll be good, but only if they do it right. Variety, exclusive, quality content and a good presenter are the way to go.
‘a new HBB this year would basically only serve one purpose: to get unsuspecting TV viewers interested in metal.’
precisely. mr tool can even make the url scroll across the bottom of the screen.
also, to get unsuspecting metalheads interested in watching MTV.
who the fuck is this dude?
Regardless of whether or not HBB will ever come back or should ever come back.
It should NOT have Jose Mangin as a host.
He is by far one of the most annoying hosts I’ve ever heard/seen. This asshole is more annoying than Juliya C. When he had the satellite radio gig, he would always talk WAAAAAAY too much about unimportant shit and then he would always spin nu-metal ALL FUCKING DAY.
Not to mention his voice was worse than hearing glass scraped on a chalkboard.
Gordon and Punch Drunk, I agree: Jose was (and is) a complete tool. The rest of the crowd at the NYC show sounded like they were pretty fond of the idea of him dying in a horrific car crash, or being maimed in some way. Personally, I think castration would keep his voice high enough to keep him from doing all the fucking stupid attempted growls he did to accentuate the names of the bands he was introducing.
Even if we get the blessing of a resurrected Headbanger’s Ball, I wouldn’t watch it if he were host. I didn’t even watch it that much when Jamey Jasta was host. I’ll take MetalSucks over post-Riki HBB anyday.