WORST WEEK EVER: IN WHICH WE PONDERED WHAT OTHER COUNTDOWNS WE CAN DO TO MAKE YA’LL ARGUE EVEN MORE
Friday, June 26th, 2009 at 3:00pm by Vince NeilsteinIt’s raining in New York today. AGAIN. At least it’s warm; it’s been fucking rainy and cold for all of June (seriously… hoodie weather in June??). I feel like I’ve been cheated out of an entire month of summer. Fuck the world.
Here’s what happened this week:
- More arguing ensued over our 21 Best Metal Albums of the 21st Century… So Far list. You bitched and moaned to the tune of 444 comments (and counting) about the #11 pick of Deftones’ White Pony — just as you did last week with the debatably metal Tool (#12) and System of a Down (#14) picks — and then when we finally announced more trve/cvlt/br00tal albums you approved of (#10 Opeth, #9 Gojira, and #8 In Flames), comments were few and far between by comparison. You people are fucking morons. Especially Ziltoid.
- Rumors flew about the resuscitation of Headbanger’s Ball in 2010 with Jose Mangin as the host.
- More shit-talking between the two sparring Fear Factory camps provided us with endless amusement. We wondered aloud whether or not FF should be considered nu-metal.
- Shinedown’s Brent Smith claimed to have insider knowledge of a Soundgarden reunion, to which Axl — and possibly but not definitely Soundgarden’s own Ben Shepherd — took offense.
- We spoke with Scott Kelly of Neurosis and Vinnie Fucking Paul.
We out. Stay tuned in a couple of hours for our #7 Best Metal Album of the 21st Century… So Far. I’ll be at tomorrow night’s Black Anvil show at the new Duff’s location in Brooklyn if anyone wants to come out and hang. See you next week for more shenanigans!
MORON REPORTING IN
Haha, reading all the flaming in the comment section has been hilarious. Thanks metalsucks!
Did i miss # 7, or is it there none on Friday?
can you read
evidently, i cannot… FAIL
Really? It’s hot and sunny on the Manhattan side. Though I’m sure the rain will move soon to our direction, too. I do agree about June. What, it didn’t rain maybe 5 days so far this month? Great summer though, despite the weather.
Y’all know Michael Jackson died yesterday..damn.
I love that they burned Ziltoid on here, yeah, he was a fucking moron.
I concur.
What do you mean?
The All-Knowing All-Powerful God-King Ziltoid doesn’t make you tremble in his wake?
But, He’s been a Metalhead for 8 of his 20 years… Doesn’t that make him the Metal equivalent of Yoda on this site?
I like when people try to defend themselves in here. Shit’s hilarious.
Vince,
I would advise however that you not to call a large group of people morons and then give away your location for tomorrow night. See you at Duff’s bitch!
OOOH, SCARY!!!
Did Vince say moron? He obviously meant whiny bitch.
Hey, the countdown’s gotta be generating some serious traffic for you guys, so it’s getting things done in that respect. And it’s generating some very good discussions (including with Ziltoid, who is an opinionated asshole, but at least backs up his viewpoint fairly well, whether I agree with it or not), so it’s working in that respect.
Granted, a lot of the discussion is idiotic flaming, and it can go off-topic pretty rapidly, but that’s the internet for you. Personally, I’ve found that a lot more of my time at work has been spent browsing your website than usual, so keep up the good work!
I wouldn’t say Ziltoid backs up his arguments well at all. He just keeps saying one band is better than the other because “I have researched it. I know what I am talking about.” He has the completely misguided and narcissistic idea that his opinions are somehow FACTS. That is the weakest of all possible arguments. There is no way to analyze music objectively and say that some collection of notes played a specific way is objectively and inherently “better” than another. I respect open-minded opinions- not pedantic fundamentalism.
Apparently Nepalm Death are considered alt-rock.
i dont sit on here reading ziltoids retarded comments, but from what i HAVE seen, he backs shit up by cornering himself into a box of meaningless genre titles. in short- hes an ass, not an adversary.
I gotta know:
Does this pubescent punk-ass Ziltiod even play an instrument?
Net research doesn’t mean shit compared to years of learning how to craft music yourself.
Most of the negative opinionated CHILDREN who comment on this site do NOT fall into this category.
And now the Metal Translation:
Fag!
Beer!
Big Tits!
Big tits where???
Ahhh Dood;
You stepped in it!
hang on…now we are arguing *about* zitload?
theres your next list, vince: top 10 zitload flames.
Yeah, things that are less “debatable” tend to stir up less “debate.” Go fucking figure. Who’s the moron again?
LOL
I was wondering about that. Less comments on the more metal albums? Uh, yeah. Which means they’re probably changing the final albums to be Jonas Brothers or some shit, just to hear us complain.
Agreed. He doesn’t successfully back up shit(although I’m sure he’s got plenty of shit backed up physically, what with all the anal poundings he’s gotta be taking. That fudge must be packed tight). He just continues under the impression that his arguments are good because he’s such a complete and utter moron.
Also, MS bloggers, you’ve managed to gain back some points with this blog and the durka sub-heading up top. Keep it up and I may actually start thinking that you guys aren’t as closed minded as most of the idiotic comment writers.
‘Fucking moron’ here. You know, you MS folks shouldn’t mention Ziltoid in any of your posts. You’re only encouraging him! :)
this is why i love metalsucks
I haven’t commented on anything but I felt this was proper since this list is so laughably bad. I amusedly await the top 5 and how horribly untrue they’d be.
Nu Metal #1, GOOOO
Are you sure you just haven’t commented because it takes you 2 months to figure out how to make your posts grammatically correct? It appears you’ve unleashed this one before it was done cooking.
Win
Nice, the grammar burn. Always funny.
No. It was actually the “complete moron burn” because your comment made no sense whatsoever. Bravo with the awesome comeback though.
“Gee, mah. If I point out that he showed me for the moron that I am, it negates the fact.”
Good job with that. Be proud.
Please pick Limp Bizkit for #7 so when everyone goes apeshit in the comment section it is justified.
I’m still waiting for Disturbed in the top three, just because they can. JUST BECAUSE
I still can’t stop loling at the Ziltoid comment. He’s an opinionated douche.
I don’t know. I typically agree with Ziltoid. Although, while I agree with some of his assessments of certain albums I don’t really feel it necessary to bash the people that listen to them. There’s no reason for it for the simple fact that deep down inside those people know that classifying some of these albums as metal means they’re ignorant. There’s no real need to argue over genre when the real metalheads on this site know what’s good and what’s crap (i.e. most of the 21 list).
sup ziltoid
Nope. Sorry.
You’re a fucking tard. Sorry, poorly attempting to add a layer of irony to your insult does not make you witty. It also does not make you correct. And what the fuck is a “real metalhead”? Does being a “real metalhead” go hand in hand with being a closed minded prick who couldn’t discern a good song from his asshole? Because, sometimes, that’s the impression that you “real metalheads” give around here. You know what’s really ignorant? People, like you, who sadly attempt to boost their ego with the false assertion that they alone hold the keys to “true metal” while at the same time swearing on your mothers’ festering, sore-ridden vaginas that bands that are heavier than Sabbath are not metal.
Seriously, reach into your cavernous gang-fucked asshole, pull out this apparent metal bible that you are all apparently getting your shared, repetitive, ignorant bullshit out of and show me this all powerful definition of metal that has been set down from on high.
Oh, and your post could have just ended with “I typically agree with ziltoid.” Because after that everyone who’s working with more brain cells than fingers knows that you’re either a. ziltoid b. full of shit(and ziltoids angry inch) c. most likely both.
Thanks for typing out precisely what i was thinking Ben.
Awwww, someone got butthurt over an online comment. That’s not very metal…or manly for that matter. I think you’re missing my point though. There is really no need to argue about whatever other people listen to because they know they’re already pansies for listening to it and thinking it’s metal. It’s not that I have a problem with music that’s not metal either. I, myself, am a huge fan of Sinatra, Elvis, and Queen, but you wont see my trying to classify them as metal (although Queen should be credited with writing the first Thrash song).
In the future though, try not to get so upset over an obvious attempt to take the piss out of you. It makes you seem somewhat insecure in a place (online) where you should be anything but.
I’m not upset. And the only ones butt hurt are all your female relatives from the compete ass reaming I gave them last night. I’m just aware of what a complete egotistical, douche bag, moron you are. Something that you’re apparently totally oblivious to. I am, however, assuming that that’s working out well for you. It must be nice living in denial of one’s own stupidity. keep it up. Just remember, your taste in music is “fact.” If you manage to muster up a thought, it MUST be true.
I totally understood the point you were attempting(but failed because you’re a complete tard) to make. Going by what your second post says(which IS entirely different than your first. But let’s not nitpick), it’s okay to like music that’s not metal. It’s just not okay to like music that’s not metal but still call this music metal. Problem here, boy, is that your understanding of what metal is, despite all moronic beliefs otherwise, is severely hampered by your inability to get beyond your own limited intelligence. See, you want to believe that your definition of metal IS the truth. But fact of the matter is, you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. These very standards you’ve set up for what “metal” is conflict with the bands that I’m almost positive you would call metal. Fact of the matter is, what “metal” really comes down to for you is, “what metal bands do I, as a complete sheep, need to say that I enjoy in order to be accepted by the rest of the metal herd?”
But I’ll give you a chance here. Prove me wrong. Give me a working definition of what “metal” is that only works for the bands that you consider to be “true metal.”
I sort of hope The Devil You Know is on here, but I think it would have already been up if it was.
THE MUSICAL IS BACK!!!
Yeah!!!
Man; I hope the #1 pick is the biggest devastating let-down POS imaginable…
You guys have ripped on every single one so far for whatever convenient reason. But I surmise that the MSBloggers are going to love making you lick their balls in payback.
Death Magnetic #1. Bets in.
i say Slipknot’s Iowa is #1
I’ll vote for that.
They had my interest for 2-3 minutes; and then promptly shit-the-bed.
tool and deftones are great METAL bands, heavy music, idiots
stop taging all and acess getalife.com
Gabber and Hardcore are both pretty heavy forms of music, but they aren’t metal now are they?
Hey Seasick, the morons on here think Tool are not Metal because they can write decent challenging songs.
Atheist and Cynic have never written challenging songs, nope. they’re totally not metal either.
Define it then.
Define what, metal?
this is going to be a really roundabout way of telling you this, so I’m sorry. Kinda making a solid dictionary-style definition is difficult without somehow getting punk, hardcore, grindcore, etc mixed up in the definition too. I find it easier to think of metal as a lineage, starting with early acts like Black Sabbath and Judas Priest and ultimately evolving into thrash, death, black, folk, power, etc.
Nu Metal for example isn’t metal because it doesn’t follow this lineage properly. It’s more of a heavy alternative rock, traceable back to bands like Jane’s Addiction, Faith No More etc. Seeing how it’s more of an offshoot of alternative rock than metal, it’s hard to consider those bands metal bands.
Based on the sound, Tool fits best as a “nu metal” band, and I don’t mean that as an insult (though calling something Nu Metal these days pretty much is insulting it), even though I can’t say I’m a big fan of the band, so don’t take it that way.
God I can’t wait for the day that people realize that success in music has very little to do with music itself and everything to do with marketing and luck. Then maybe people will quit deriding others who listen to music that “nobody’s ever heard of.”
And I suppose Ziltoid is a tard for wanting to see less recognized bands make it on a list of bands who’ve already had their fair share of (rather undeserved, but that’s always the case) media circlejerking.
I find it pretty hypocritical that Metalsucks, even after doing their best to promote lesser known bands who totally deserve more recognition (such as Sigh for example) turns around and throws out the “kvlt and tr00″ line. Way to insult every single person who’s ever excitedly clicked a link you guys have posted to a band they might not have known.
Hey, I didn’t feel insulted at all. I like or dislike bands regardless of whether or not they’re accepted as “cool” by the metal herd. Regardless of whether or not they’re known by popular media. I enjoy bands that the MS bloggers have called shit. I enjoy bands that they totally jerk off. I’ve talked tons of shit about the bloggers here. That doesn’t mean that they don’t find a gem every now and then. I think this way because I refuse to limit myself based on shit that has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not a band’s music brings me enjoyment. Does this make me a better person than people like you, ziltoid or canvas of flesh? I actually think it does.
And to say that this list should only include unknown/lesser known bands is completely retarded. So, you’re saying that the top 21 metal albums of this century have been written by unknowns???? That’s completely asinine. Your point runs contrary to itself. On one hand, you say that popularity has nothing to do with quality. At the same time, you’re implying that just because something is “underground” it must be better or that it should be promoted above and beyond. You sir, are a hypocrite.
I fail to see how your “more open minded than thou” attitude is any better than the “more underground than thou” attitude that you’re mocking, but I suppose that’s not the point here.
First of all, I never once said anywhere in my post that the top 21 should consist entirely of unkowns/lesser known bands, I think it should at least include SOME lesser known bands. To be totally honest, I find it just as asinine to assume that the top 21 metal albums of the century have all apparently been written by ultra-popular acts. As for the bands on the list I’ve complained about, to you honestly find it so hard to imagine that perhaps I simply don’t like these bands? Oh wait, if there’s a popular band I dislike, I only hate them because they’re popular, right?
Have you also considered that maybe people complaining about some of the more borderline choices (slipknot and deftones for example) may be doing so because it’s questionable that these albums are even metal at all to begin with? This is a list of METAL albums right?
Before you give me something about how you’re so much better than me because you don’t just listen to stuff that the metal community considers “tr00″,. or because you’re not afraid to like mainstream acts, maybe I should tell you that I like Darkest Hour, I like Megadeth, I like Frontline Assembly, I like The Dead Kennedys, I could go on. Many bands I like are popular, and many aren’t even metal.
Lastly, don’t call me a hypocrite, you’re putting words into my mouth. Success may have little to do with quality, but quality does DESERVE success. Do you understand now?
Sigh… I have a lengthy response to both your posts and accidentally shut down firefox. needless to say, I’m not keen on retyping it. So, you get bullet points instead…
-You failed to come up with a definition of what metal is.
-Your assertion about the influences of “nu metal” is based on a fallacy.
a. few “nu metal” bands would claim FNM and especially JA(or other bands like these) as influences.
b. even if we assume this false assertion of yours to be true. A band’s genre is NOT dependent on it’s influences.
-You didn’t say that every band on the list should be “underground” but you did assert that lesser known bands should be given priority over “bands who’ve already had their fair share of (rather undeserved, but that’s always the case) media circlejerking.”
-So, apparently your subjective view of who does and does not deserve attention is all that matters.
-I never stated that you ONLY dislike bands because they’re popular. But I’d be willing to put large sums of money on a wager that there ARE plenty of bands that you dislike for just that reason. I also notice that the ones that you named are fairly safe from scorn within the “tr00 metal” community.
-As for these “borderline choices” as you call them. Maybe you haven’t noticed that I’ve called out the dipshits who have convinced themselves that bands like SOAD and Deftones aren’t metal on numerous occasions. As I said in my first 2 bullet points. You CAN NOT even define metal in your own subjective way. So, if you can’t even define it when given the chance to do so subjectively, why the fuck should it hold any water when people bitch about certain bands NOT fitting into a genre that no one even seems to have a grasp of???
-As for me being better than you, again, your attempt to state that I’m not better in my views is based on fallacy. Watch…
“I fail to see how your “I want to build homes for the homeless” attitude is any better than the “I want to put the homeless in concentration camps” attitude that you’re mocking,”
See, just because two differing opinions on the same subject may share certain apparent similarities, that does not mean that judgments can not be made as to one having merits over the other.
-I already clearly pointed out how your statements were hypocritical. If you don’t want to be called a hypocrite, don’t make hypocritical statements. If you don’t want to believe my assertion that you were contradicting yourself, more power to you.
-I understood just fine all along.
“but quality does DESERVE success”-This, at least, we can agree on.
Why don’t you explain to enlighten us all to what metal is then, oh wise one. Unless of course your point all along was that nobody (including you) can strictly define a genre and we’re all just idiots for ever debating it to begin with. I’m willing to submit to that though, genre bitching wasn’t why I even posted to begin with. I didn’t think my little faux definition thing through very well anyway so it deserves some bashing.
I can honestly tell you that I have never derided a band I would have otherwise liked based solely on popularity. I don’t think you’ll believe me however, you’ve already reached a conclusion about exactly what kind of person I am, and nothing I say will stop you from insisting that I’m just another elitist metal punk.
If feeling that a genre should be more strictly defined (despite enjoying artists outside of said genre) makes me narrow minded in your eyes so be it. I don’t listen to music to appease you or anybody else.
And you still have been ambiguous in my so-called hypocrisy. I fail to see how “success has nothing to do with quality” contradicts “quality deserves success”.
Bah, this is stupid though. I don’t even know what your whole point here is. I don’t even know what MY point is anymore, this is going to just continue to drone on forever, so if you don’t mind, I’m going to end this now.
Fizzy G’s beers are on me.
At least no one can accuse metal fans of not being passionate about their love of metal (by sitting on a computer and complaining about other’s opinions haha…. I personally am loving this list (not necessarily all the albums on it) but the heated discussion it has sparked. Bravo metalsucks. Agreed? By the way, ETID “Gutter Phenomenon” in the top 5???
great album but nothing really sets it apart enough to make it stand out as one of the top five metal albums of this millenia
By the way…Where is Ziltoid?
suicide
He’s probably sulking… now that we’ve made him a household name.
That’s OK, as I think he probably needs some over-due ‘private time’ with a bit of lube and his Kittie posters.
You mean Britny Fox posters
“More arguing ensued over our 21 Best Metal Albums of the 21st Century… So Far list. You bitched and moaned to the tune of 444 comments (and counting) about the #11 pick of Deftones’ White Pony — just as you did last week with the debatably metal Tool (#12) and System of a Down (#14) picks — and then when we finally announced more trve/cvlt/br00tal albums you approved of (#10 Opeth, #9 Gojira, and #8 In Flames), comments were few and far between by comparison. You people are fucking morons.”
Hmm, isn’t that the case with almost anything? You go to a restaurant with good service you may get 5 reviews on how good it is. Go to one with bad service, gets hundreds. Same could go with politics, the guy you dislike is in office..Bitch bitch bitch…The guy you like is in office, its cool…I could list thousands of different examples but I think you get the point. Also, wouldn’t you guys do the same? Let say if a fellow metal site, or a metal magazine reviewed Limp Bizkit as a Godsend to music. There would be an entire page of you bitching about it (which I wouldn’t blame you). Now, lets say if the same magazine they shit all over Limp Bizkit (which they should be). I’m sure we wouldn’t hear about it and if we did…I’m sure the article would be much shorter.
Could we not say you are also a “fucking moron”?
even youve realised Ziltoids a cunt:):):):):)
haha, oh noes, I’m so offended that MS called me a name. wah wah.
Go listen to Chimaira or something. The new album is shitty enough for this site.