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	<title>Comments on: SATURDAY SEMINAL POST-HARDCORE ALBUM (FROM A BAND WE&#8217;VE NEVER, EVER MENTIONED BEFORE) TO GET DRUNK/STONED/HIGH/GONE/FOUND TO: INK AND DAGGER &#8212; THE FINE ART OF ORIGINAL SIN</title>
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		<title>By: Sandy Duncan's Glass Eye</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/06/27/saturday-seminal-post-hardcore-album-from-a-band-weve-never-ever-mentioned-before-to-get-drunkstonedhighgonefound-to-ink-and-dagger-the-fine-art-of-original-sin/#comment-248964</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy Duncan's Glass Eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This band was so much fun that I had to break out both albums after reading this and give them a spin. People were really really pissed about the whole &quot;vampire&quot; thing but it actually worked live. On a non-musical, but band-related note, it was Sean McCabe threw yogurt at Karl from Earth Crisis during a show in New Jersey...still one of my top-5 funniest &#039;did that just happen&#039; moments at a show. Not enough bands express their displeasure by hurling dairy products these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This band was so much fun that I had to break out both albums after reading this and give them a spin. People were really really pissed about the whole &#8220;vampire&#8221; thing but it actually worked live. On a non-musical, but band-related note, it was Sean McCabe threw yogurt at Karl from Earth Crisis during a show in New Jersey&#8230;still one of my top-5 funniest &#8216;did that just happen&#8217; moments at a show. Not enough bands express their displeasure by hurling dairy products these days.</p>
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		<title>By: dicknballs</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/06/27/saturday-seminal-post-hardcore-album-from-a-band-weve-never-ever-mentioned-before-to-get-drunkstonedhighgonefound-to-ink-and-dagger-the-fine-art-of-original-sin/#comment-248952</link>
		<dc:creator>dicknballs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny this was a SSTGST... I went to high school with one of the guys in this band who was very straight-edge, complete with X&#039;s tattooed on him (as were the rest of the skaters/hardcore kids in the clique).  Go figure they all ended up becoming stoners and drug addicts.... at least the X&#039;s they had tattooed could serve as markers for doing bumps of coke.  

hardcore sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny this was a SSTGST&#8230; I went to high school with one of the guys in this band who was very straight-edge, complete with X&#8217;s tattooed on him (as were the rest of the skaters/hardcore kids in the clique).  Go figure they all ended up becoming stoners and drug addicts&#8230;. at least the X&#8217;s they had tattooed could serve as markers for doing bumps of coke.  </p>
<p>hardcore sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: sYgnal</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/06/27/saturday-seminal-post-hardcore-album-from-a-band-weve-never-ever-mentioned-before-to-get-drunkstonedhighgonefound-to-ink-and-dagger-the-fine-art-of-original-sin/#comment-248925</link>
		<dc:creator>sYgnal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s some obscure &amp; hard to find for ya: 

Ironchrist - Getting the most out of your own Extinction.

Absolutely Fucking Brilliant and way ahead of its time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s some obscure &amp; hard to find for ya: </p>
<p>Ironchrist &#8211; Getting the most out of your own Extinction.</p>
<p>Absolutely Fucking Brilliant and way ahead of its time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: chauncey chompers</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/06/27/saturday-seminal-post-hardcore-album-from-a-band-weve-never-ever-mentioned-before-to-get-drunkstonedhighgonefound-to-ink-and-dagger-the-fine-art-of-original-sin/#comment-248875</link>
		<dc:creator>chauncey chompers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so what if you didnt put up that link?  your fucking blog obviously gets way more traffic than whoever&#039;s little download blog put up that link.  

why don&#039;t you put up a link like this?
http://www.amazon.com/Fine-Art-Original-Sin/dp/B000009QL5

christ amazon sells the record, it&#039;s not like you have to dig...  obviously the remaining members of the band arent going to get rich off of back royalties for their obscure screamo band, but there&#039;s nothing wrong with them going after microsoft for using their songs without permission.  that doesnt make them &quot;litigious&quot;  that makes Microsoft assholes for CLEARLY being able to afford  to license their songs and deciding not to.  if you want to draw attention to and support an obscure band there&#039;s a very clear way to do it.  it&#039;s not like they just had one demo and never any official releases...if thats the case then sure download away.  but I&amp;D was a real band they had a couple full lengths and a bunch EPs and toured.  come on dudes not cool</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so what if you didnt put up that link?  your fucking blog obviously gets way more traffic than whoever&#8217;s little download blog put up that link.  </p>
<p>why don&#8217;t you put up a link like this?<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Fine-Art-Original-Sin/dp/B000009QL5" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Fine-Art-Original-Sin/dp/B000009QL5</a></p>
<p>christ amazon sells the record, it&#8217;s not like you have to dig&#8230;  obviously the remaining members of the band arent going to get rich off of back royalties for their obscure screamo band, but there&#8217;s nothing wrong with them going after microsoft for using their songs without permission.  that doesnt make them &#8220;litigious&#8221;  that makes Microsoft assholes for CLEARLY being able to afford  to license their songs and deciding not to.  if you want to draw attention to and support an obscure band there&#8217;s a very clear way to do it.  it&#8217;s not like they just had one demo and never any official releases&#8230;if thats the case then sure download away.  but I&amp;D was a real band they had a couple full lengths and a bunch EPs and toured.  come on dudes not cool</p>
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		<title>By: mr lun</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/06/27/saturday-seminal-post-hardcore-album-from-a-band-weve-never-ever-mentioned-before-to-get-drunkstonedhighgonefound-to-ink-and-dagger-the-fine-art-of-original-sin/#comment-248843</link>
		<dc:creator>mr lun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh man, this band was so great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh man, this band was so great.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ghost of D. Boon</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/06/27/saturday-seminal-post-hardcore-album-from-a-band-weve-never-ever-mentioned-before-to-get-drunkstonedhighgonefound-to-ink-and-dagger-the-fine-art-of-original-sin/#comment-248815</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ghost of D. Boon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair to the &quot;litigious&quot; remaining members of Ink &amp; Dagger, I&#039;d say there is a definite difference between some kid getting your album off of the &#039;net and the biggest software company in the world putting your songs in a mass-produced video game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair to the &#8220;litigious&#8221; remaining members of Ink &amp; Dagger, I&#8217;d say there is a definite difference between some kid getting your album off of the &#8216;net and the biggest software company in the world putting your songs in a mass-produced video game.</p>
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		<title>By: gnarlk</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/06/27/saturday-seminal-post-hardcore-album-from-a-band-weve-never-ever-mentioned-before-to-get-drunkstonedhighgonefound-to-ink-and-dagger-the-fine-art-of-original-sin/#comment-248734</link>
		<dc:creator>gnarlk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>classic band, loved how they pissed off plenty of hardcore purists in the 90&#039;s, even though they were supposedly kind of jerks. ah well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>classic band, loved how they pissed off plenty of hardcore purists in the 90&#8217;s, even though they were supposedly kind of jerks. ah well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/06/27/saturday-seminal-post-hardcore-album-from-a-band-weve-never-ever-mentioned-before-to-get-drunkstonedhighgonefound-to-ink-and-dagger-the-fine-art-of-original-sin/#comment-248639</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HC punk bands like Bad Brains, (early) SS Decontrol, Die Kreuzen, 7 Seconds, SNFU, Offenders, D.O.A., MDC, DRI, Minor Threat and Black Flag had serious speed chops and the courage to create something new people hadn&#039;t ever heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HC punk bands like Bad Brains, (early) SS Decontrol, Die Kreuzen, 7 Seconds, SNFU, Offenders, D.O.A., MDC, DRI, Minor Threat and Black Flag had serious speed chops and the courage to create something new people hadn&#8217;t ever heard.</p>
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		<title>By: holyroar</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/06/27/saturday-seminal-post-hardcore-album-from-a-band-weve-never-ever-mentioned-before-to-get-drunkstonedhighgonefound-to-ink-and-dagger-the-fine-art-of-original-sin/#comment-248591</link>
		<dc:creator>holyroar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this true? i wish i could&#039;ve been to one of those shows..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this true? i wish i could&#8217;ve been to one of those shows..</p>
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		<title>By: drumb</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/06/27/saturday-seminal-post-hardcore-album-from-a-band-weve-never-ever-mentioned-before-to-get-drunkstonedhighgonefound-to-ink-and-dagger-the-fine-art-of-original-sin/#comment-248453</link>
		<dc:creator>drumb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuck; don&#039;t bother with the new Divine Heresy... it&#039;s more commercial crap.
Cazares&#039; git parts are cool, but everything else about this band blows.
And don&#039;t get me started on what I think of triggered drum sounds;  it would be a lengthy tirade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuck; don&#8217;t bother with the new Divine Heresy&#8230; it&#8217;s more commercial crap.<br />
Cazares&#8217; git parts are cool, but everything else about this band blows.<br />
And don&#8217;t get me started on what I think of triggered drum sounds;  it would be a lengthy tirade.</p>
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		<title>By: drumb</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/06/27/saturday-seminal-post-hardcore-album-from-a-band-weve-never-ever-mentioned-before-to-get-drunkstonedhighgonefound-to-ink-and-dagger-the-fine-art-of-original-sin/#comment-248436</link>
		<dc:creator>drumb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 10:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Dude.
BTW I&#039;m from Van and have seen SYL a few times....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dude.<br />
BTW I&#8217;m from Van and have seen SYL a few times&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: drumb</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/06/27/saturday-seminal-post-hardcore-album-from-a-band-weve-never-ever-mentioned-before-to-get-drunkstonedhighgonefound-to-ink-and-dagger-the-fine-art-of-original-sin/#comment-248435</link>
		<dc:creator>drumb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 10:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry; I misspelled the Mothra album, it&#039;s called Dyes. Hard to find, but worth it.
(there are at least 4 bands called Mothra, so you need the correct title)

 Thanks again AbleBodiedMachine for recommending Blessing The Hogs, I will check it out after I finish downloading Divine Heresy/ Bringer Of Plagues, which was posted today and is available here:
 http://newmetaldiscs.blogspot.com/2009/06/divine-heresy-bringer-of-plagues.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry; I misspelled the Mothra album, it&#8217;s called Dyes. Hard to find, but worth it.<br />
(there are at least 4 bands called Mothra, so you need the correct title)</p>
<p> Thanks again AbleBodiedMachine for recommending Blessing The Hogs, I will check it out after I finish downloading Divine Heresy/ Bringer Of Plagues, which was posted today and is available here:<br />
 <a href="http://newmetaldiscs.blogspot.com/2009/06/divine-heresy-bringer-of-plagues.html" rel="nofollow">http://newmetaldiscs.blogspot.com/2009/06/divine-heresy-bringer-of-plagues.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Strapping Young Lad</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/06/27/saturday-seminal-post-hardcore-album-from-a-band-weve-never-ever-mentioned-before-to-get-drunkstonedhighgonefound-to-ink-and-dagger-the-fine-art-of-original-sin/#comment-248424</link>
		<dc:creator>Strapping Young Lad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yea, most people know Kylesa where I&#039;m from... but that doesn&#039;t mean they don&#039;t kick ass!!! good call w/ ur post. all 3 of these bands rock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea, most people know Kylesa where I&#8217;m from&#8230; but that doesn&#8217;t mean they don&#8217;t kick ass!!! good call w/ ur post. all 3 of these bands rock.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/06/27/saturday-seminal-post-hardcore-album-from-a-band-weve-never-ever-mentioned-before-to-get-drunkstonedhighgonefound-to-ink-and-dagger-the-fine-art-of-original-sin/#comment-248381</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haven&#039;t thought about this band in at least 10 years...thanks for the reminder</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haven&#8217;t thought about this band in at least 10 years&#8230;thanks for the reminder</p>
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		<title>By: shutter</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/06/27/saturday-seminal-post-hardcore-album-from-a-band-weve-never-ever-mentioned-before-to-get-drunkstonedhighgonefound-to-ink-and-dagger-the-fine-art-of-original-sin/#comment-248378</link>
		<dc:creator>shutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great to see this band on here, it was unfortunate to see that Bert from the Used listed them as the band that &quot;changed his life&quot; in alternative press last month.  they need to inspire some good music not shitheads like The Used</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great to see this band on here, it was unfortunate to see that Bert from the Used listed them as the band that &#8220;changed his life&#8221; in alternative press last month.  they need to inspire some good music not shitheads like The Used</p>
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		<title>By: \m/Eluveitie\m/</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/06/27/saturday-seminal-post-hardcore-album-from-a-band-weve-never-ever-mentioned-before-to-get-drunkstonedhighgonefound-to-ink-and-dagger-the-fine-art-of-original-sin/#comment-248360</link>
		<dc:creator>\m/Eluveitie\m/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fiftywatthead is one word and Kylesa is pretty well known around these parts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fiftywatthead is one word and Kylesa is pretty well known around these parts</p>
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		<title>By: entroper</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/06/27/saturday-seminal-post-hardcore-album-from-a-band-weve-never-ever-mentioned-before-to-get-drunkstonedhighgonefound-to-ink-and-dagger-the-fine-art-of-original-sin/#comment-248298</link>
		<dc:creator>entroper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, nice 90 flashback. rock on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, nice 90 flashback. rock on.</p>
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		<title>By: drumb</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/06/27/saturday-seminal-post-hardcore-album-from-a-band-weve-never-ever-mentioned-before-to-get-drunkstonedhighgonefound-to-ink-and-dagger-the-fine-art-of-original-sin/#comment-248290</link>
		<dc:creator>drumb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Merci.
I&#039;ll seek it out tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merci.<br />
I&#8217;ll seek it out tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: AbleBodiedMachine</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/06/27/saturday-seminal-post-hardcore-album-from-a-band-weve-never-ever-mentioned-before-to-get-drunkstonedhighgonefound-to-ink-and-dagger-the-fine-art-of-original-sin/#comment-248256</link>
		<dc:creator>AbleBodiedMachine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading drumb&#039;s comment, I searched this site for Billy Anderson, and there&#039;s not one article tagged. Anyway, if you want supercharged pissed off stoner metal, Blessing the Hogs will remedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading drumb&#8217;s comment, I searched this site for Billy Anderson, and there&#8217;s not one article tagged. Anyway, if you want supercharged pissed off stoner metal, Blessing the Hogs will remedy.</p>
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		<title>By: drumb</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/06/27/saturday-seminal-post-hardcore-album-from-a-band-weve-never-ever-mentioned-before-to-get-drunkstonedhighgonefound-to-ink-and-dagger-the-fine-art-of-original-sin/#comment-248234</link>
		<dc:creator>drumb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I recommend three great little-known recent albums that are fun/cool to get stoned to, that are in a simular vein?
Obviously they have decent drummers... 
Here goes:
- Fifty Watt Head/ Fogcutter (Canada)
- Mothra/ Dies (Poland)
- Kylesa/ Static Tensions (US)

All three of these &#039;Stoner-Metal&#039; albums are reminiscent of later Melvins, Mastadon, and Pelican; and all three are very pissed-off sounding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I recommend three great little-known recent albums that are fun/cool to get stoned to, that are in a simular vein?<br />
Obviously they have decent drummers&#8230;<br />
Here goes:<br />
- Fifty Watt Head/ Fogcutter (Canada)<br />
- Mothra/ Dies (Poland)<br />
- Kylesa/ Static Tensions (US)</p>
<p>All three of these &#8216;Stoner-Metal&#8217; albums are reminiscent of later Melvins, Mastadon, and Pelican; and all three are very pissed-off sounding.</p>
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