WHITE WIZZARD VS. HOLY GRAIL

Thursday, July 23rd, 2009 at 1:30pm by

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There’s a classic metal revival beef a’brewin’. In May we told you about Earache Records signees White Wizzard, and just last week we reported on Holy Grail, a recent Prosthetic signee made up of three former members of White Wizzard. Seems that the recent press attention received by Holy Grail has placed White Wizzard on the defensive, as the band found the need to issue a press release warning of “White Wizzard immitators.” Says the press release:

The lineup featured on WHITE WIZZARD’s September 8th debut mini-album, HIGH SPEED GTO is much different from that of the current lineup whom will be recording a full length album set for release in 2010. Recently, several ex-members from the previous lineup have begun making headlines in a newly signed band who’s former name shared an eerily similar theme with that of WHITE WIZZARD’s. WHITE WIZZARD bassist, Jon Leon has written a statement to clear up any confusion about the band’s lineup changes and to serve notice that there is only one WHITE WIZZARD:

“WHITE WIZZARD has had a line up change since the recording of the WW mini album in 2007. I wrote some songs and formed the first incarnation of the band rather quickly and went into the studio. The mini album was a quickly thrown together ep of the first songs just to get WW started. It turned out well for how quickly it was done, and the seeds were sewn for the next phase.

Upon completion, the band played a few shows with the first line up. It was quickly obvious that the line up that was formed to do the first recordings was not going to work for the long term. The current line up of WHITE WIZZARD is preparing to record the full length album that will be out worldwide in early 2010.

Some of the ex members that were in WW for a brief time have a new band. This band is in no way associated with WW. WHITE WIZZARD has never split up. WHITE WIZZARD is stronger than ever and fully armed and operational. As for any ex members we wish them well, but we also want to stress that in the end, they were not right for WHITE WIZZARD and are trying to use their WW roots for extra publicity.”

The band Leon is referring to is, of course, Holy Grail. But as far as I’ve seen, Holy Grail haven’t made any claims of being White Wizzard, just that they’re made up of 3 former members from that band (truth). Furthermore, with Leon the only remaining original member of WW, wouldn’t that make Holy Grail more “authentic” WW? In Leon’s defense though, Holy Grail did recently change their name from Sorcerer which does share “an eerily similar theme” to White Wizzard’s name. No clarification for the reason behind the name change has been made public yet… but maybe that was the reason behind it. [UPDATE: Another band had a copyright to use "Sorcerer," hence the name change. -Ed.]

This is quickly shaping up to be an L.A. Guns situation, only neither band can really claim to have the more “famous” members since neither has really hit their stride yet. If you ask me, both bands are really fucking talented and I can’t wait to hear both debut full-lengths in the near future.

-VN

  • http://www.thedevilsdemons.com vincent p

    Hm. I reckon both of these bands need to open up for Colossus and make it a Battle of the Classic Metal Bands (BotCMB) every night of the tour.

  • http://www.smnnews.com big_metal_al

    Hahahaha, I knew this beef would come up. Someone seems pretty over the top defensive. Respect to both bands though, they both rock!!

  • dweeb

    I guess if you go behind your band’s back and copyright the band name and all of the songs and lyrics, it makes you the “founder”. I’ve seen a bass, it has four strings, not much to found on.

  • Horny Diver

    Just found an old video on youtube of the band JET FUEL with Jon Leon as the replacement bassist for the original Jet Fuel bassist, featuring 2 other original members of White Wizzard. Looks like he was taken in as a new member of Jet Fuel, Jet Fuel broke up, then the 3 of them formed a new band, White Wizzard. Only the guitarist was replaced. So how does this Jon Leon justify being THE founder of a band when he was just going along with the other band mates to collectively start a new band?

  • http://uponwingsofblack.blogspot.com/ \m/Eluveitie\m/

    The vocalist from White Wizzard sounds just like Tommy Shaw

    • CarlosRamirez

      That’s not a bad thing.

      • http://uponwingsofblack.blogspot.com/ \m/Eluveitie\m/

        Not at all

  • Jimmy

    No one said “WHITE WHALE. HOLY GRAIL.” yet?

  • jeff g

    For the record….. I know Jon Leon and he formed White Wizzard. I remember hearing the old demos for alot of those songs. He plays guitar quite well, and writes and composes.
    He did play in a band with 2 former members. He started WW however and asked those2 to join after he had been making demos and had a vision. It was and is his baby 100 percent.
    Further, he had serious problems with the last singer being a flake and with some members not paying for things. I remember he was pretty stressed out after the ep was recorded. The line up did not last long. Jon was in a few grand, had to pick up the pieces and form a new one and keep his vision going. He pulled it off, got signed and has a band I think is better. He deserves it.
    The ex guys got pissed and hate on his success-and they spread rumors WW was no more many times before this while he was working hard. I can see why he would want to make things clear. I think his label made him put out the statement though in reaction and it was not Jons words entirely. He does not care and wishes them well….which is pretty cool considering what they put him through.
    Gotta defend him.

    • stu1

      His success?? What success? The dude’s down virtually nothing since they left.

      • s anderson

        Nothing except sign a deal with Earache records and record 3 new songs (2 on the my space) That blow away the last ones…has a new band that is better IMHO and working on a full langth albuym last we talked….pretty good for the BS he had to deal with. Stop commenting on things you know nothing about…

        • stu1

          I know all of that. Big deal.

  • jeff

    I just checked out the GTO vid. pretty cool song, cool video, the drums sound like shit. I hope the full length is produced better. they got some really good heavy metal going on, from what i heard, it’s about time somebody got it right. I have high hope for this band. does any body know when there album is coming out, I know it the cd age or MP3 age whatever. I’m old school, was in my early teens when Metal was migical! what a great time. These guys sound like there into it. Can’t wait to hear more.

  • Thrashard

    What about Cauldron??

  • bearwizard

    who is ed??

  • http://kzscsledge.blogspot.com GoatRidersHorde

    As I understand it, Jon Leon went behind the backs of the original members and got the rights to all their songs and then fired everyone from the band. A pretty douche move, and I’m glad Holy Grail are getting their shit together. For the record, both bands fuckin’ rock!

  • s anderson

    That is a bunch of bull. I know Jon, and what you understand is a bunch of lies.
    Jon formed that band and put his money, songs and sweat into it.
    Those guys backstabbed him and tried to make it look as if WW broke up. They are spreading lies. Leon wrote the music and IS White Wizzard.
    He needed to protect himself after the band broke up because he had so much money and artistic investment. His ex members are full of it.

  • s anderson

    It is obvious what happened.
    Jon moved on from those guys, formed a new line up and got signed. They got butthurt over his success without them and now are talking a bunch of crap, trying to get credit for more than they deserve. Jon did not fire them….that is a lie. They wanted to do heavier music and Jon did have alot of issues with the singer…I know he had problems with the singer not paying for anything and being a primadonna and a flake….he had to run that band and those guys were hard for him to deal with.
    Jon is a stand up guy and works his ass off. Those guys are on a revenge trip with him because they are pissed off. They are trying to make up and exaggerate a bunch of stuff for press for the new band and trying to get money after the fact.
    Whether you like either band or both….Just FYI some of these guys do not know any facts-just hearsay and rumors that are not true…

    • stu1

      I haven’t read anything negative from those guys about the old band. Is there some press you can direct me to?

  • anderson?

    I think only one thing can be “obvious” here.
    s anderson is jon leon and him talking about himself in third person is creepy

    • s anderson

      I happen to be a good friend of Jon’s thank you very much.

  • http://MetalNinja Metal Ninja

    This stuff is funny. Both of these bands are pretty good. Obviously Jon Leon of White Wizzard is pretty good since he moved on and wrote that new stuff on the my space. I love that new singer and the writing is still that White Wizzard sound, so it seems to me he probably wrote that stuff.Obviously the old guys have talent too. But that sound Holy Grail has is very different. Both bands kill. But in reading all of the accusations and defending, if letting the music talk, I think The bassist probably wrote the early stuff too.
    I think people are talking mostly a bunch of trash and nonsense here though.
    Who knows what happened in the past, and who cares? Obviously some people are pissed at each other from past drama.
    What great bands do not have a bunch of drama? everyone loves a good band fight so maybe this will help both bands get big? I like both bands. I like White Wizzards new stuff the most though. Hard to beat that singer. He is awesome. I listen to the songs on the my space like everyday. cannot wait for them to release an album with that guy.

  • Hard Boyled

    why is dude on leons dick so hard? do his hands get tired from hanging on his balls all day?

  • M Jukic

    Jon Leon created White Wizzard. The rest of the guys were just riding along with him. They pissed him off, he kicked them out and got a better line-up. End of story.

  • Bpnr

    This smells like a New Metallica-Megadeth like feud xD but who fucking cares, this guys along with Cauldron and Enforcer are fucking bringin classic Metal/Thrash back! 2010 looks promising, I hope this guys make it really big and that Black tide who originally had this 80′s metal sound doesnt change for their next album