SLAYER VS. KILLSWITCH ENGAGE: THE SILLIEST METAL FEUD YET

Tuesday, July 28th, 2009 at 1:30pm by

kerrysillyadamsilly

Oh boy. Here we go again.

Kerry King loves to talk shit. He loves to talk shit so much you’d think he writes for MetalSucks (Kerry, if you’re reading this, please come write for MetalSucks.). The man just cannot be stopped. Dave Mustaine, Machine Head, Metallica – all have been victims of his razor-sharp tongue.

His latest casualty: Killswitch Engage, who are out on the road with Slayer right now as part of Mayhem.

In an interview with MusicaRadar.com, King was asked if it was true that he had the metalcore masters booted from a tour once. King’s response?

“We actually didn’t get able to. I tried. Because I’d never seen ‘em live, and then I saw them live at some, I don’t know, maybe at Kerrang! Awards over in Europe. And I’m just offended by the silliness that goes on on stage [on the part of] the guitar player [Adam Dutkiewicz]. He puts his foot in his mouth all the time and he says stupid shit, and I just didn’t think that side show should be on my stage. So I pulled the plug on the spot, but on that particular Jägermeister tour, we didn’t have any product and they did, so Jäger kind of insisted, and I went… They’re all friends of mine, so I said, ‘OK, I’ll deal with it.’ Still don’t like it.”

Now, I seem to recall an interview that took place during said Jager tour where King said that while he didn’t like The End of Heartache that much, he did really enjoy Alive or Just Breathing. Of course, I can’t find that interview anywhere right now (drop me a line if you have it!), but I suppose it’s a moot point; King’s problem seems to be entirely with KSE’s live show and not at all with their music.

Which, frankly, is bullshit – and I say that as a HUGE Slayer fan. This is exactly the kind of tr00ism that metal doesn’t need anymore, and that only dinosaurs hold dear to. Yes, Adam D. does get pretty “silly” on-stage, but guess what? That’s one of the best parts of KSE’s live show. Is King offended because the “stupid shit” Adam D. says on stage suggests that maybe he doesn’t the take the band’s lyrics and image too seriously (and I stress the word “maybe”)? If so, big friggin’ deal. Tom Araya has admitted that he doesn’t really think that God hates us all.

Bottom line: Adam D. is not some big, brooding metal dude, and he doesn’t pretend to be. He just tries to have fun. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t love metal; it just means he doesn’t feel the need to be a grouchy prick all the time.

And what’s wrong with a little silliness anyway? What does “silly” even mean in this instance? The above photo shows King being silly at Zakk Wylde’s birthday party; should I burn all my Slayer albums ’cause King once deigned to wear a pink pimp hat? My father would say that growing your beard really long and having horns tattooed on your head is silly (actually, he’d use a much less polite word for it); what makes King any more of an authority on what’s silly than my dad, who is, if I may be so bold, a pretty silly dude (I mean, he raised me, so there’s some silliness for you right off the bat)? It’s all relative. King is really just making a big deal out of nothing, and ends up coming across as an old fart.

I’m sure someone will ask Adam D. or another member of Killswitch about this very soon, but I suspect that the members of that band are way too chill to engage (no pun intended) in too much nonsense and the answer will end up being along the lines of “We’re sorry Kerry feels that way” or whatever. In other words: I doubt there will be a round two of this particular feud.

-AR

[via Blabbermouth]

  • bucketochicken

    Kerry King sucks. And I say that as a pretty goddamn big Slayer fan myself.

    • tim

      Agreed. I’ve loved Slayer for a longass time, but King is a douche. I mean that with all respect, though, his guitar work gives me boners.

      • bucketochicken

        Meh, I’d even say he’s a shitty guitar player too (relatively/comparitively speaking, of course). He can sure play fast though… so I guess there’s that.

        • tim

          Oh, compared to many of the greats in metal, hes nothing special. But still, some of his riffs and solo’s are just fucking brutal, theres no way around it

          • Metal Fuckin’ Dave

            I’ve yet to hear him play a competent solo. It’s like he records with mittens on.

    • yanky

      im not a huge slayer fan though i do like their music but i respect the hell outta kerry king i think he is a really cool dude

      • jack collins

        did u just read that? hes a fucking dick

        • spoonjabba

          seemed cool to me. why play with somebody you don’t wanna play with. douchebag

    • brandon

      why does everyone have to say kerry king sucks….has anyone seen him play live?? he is the best live performer in the band…hands down…

  • Shinaain

    Yeah, the KsE dudes are pretty chill and Adam’s onstage rap is usually hilarious, so taking pot-shots at them is a lot like taking a drunken swing at the nicest guy in the bar. And trying to get them kicked off a tour??? Sounds like sour grapes.

    Chill, Kerry. Not cool.

  • http://www.thedevilsdemons.com vincent p

    Perhaps the jean shorts arouse him and he doesn’t like being confronted with such feelings.

    Seriously, Tom Araya goes to Church. Only Hannemen and King take their shit “seriously.”

    • RobotScythe

      AT least Hanneman doesn’t run his mouth all the time like a jackass. He just shows up, writes some killer shit and then goes home and minds his business.

      • Biff Tannen

        Its because he’s fucking stoned 24/7. He’s really not aware of whats going on at any given moment. Just watch him on stage.

        • http://dmxrr15@hotmail.com IsntaTOTALdouchebag10

          So we should conclude that Kerry King needs to smoke some tree more often. It would probably help him write better riffs as well. I hate most of slayer’s riffs, unoriginal, sounds evil only cause they don’t make sense

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QU0BKUbflc Garske

          sooooo true.

          He was so out of it Sunday night in Chicago.

    • cougar party

      Yeah, I don’t know if King can really say much about stupid shit. Slayer is a cool band, but Kerry spends too much time trying to be tough. I have never seen KSE live, but obviously they are not trying to cover themselves in blood and be this big, bad, metal band.

      He should have realized what their live act is like before agreeing to tour with them; not trash them after the fact. Besides it would be pretty fucking boring if every band came out and stood “Slayer still”.

  • Mike

    It’s not elitism to criticize stupidity. I’m surprised that he hasn’t condemned Killswitch for the overall gay-ness of their music. I’m not even that big a fan of Kerry King (all of his stuff since the late 80s sounds the same to me) but I’m glad he’s speaking out against the filth that’s polluting the metal scene.

    • Johnny

      Shut the fuck up and go suck Kerry Kings cock

      • Mike

        I said I don’t even like Kerry King that much,;you obviously lack even the most basic reading comprehension, which is probably why you’re a fan of Killswitch Engage.

        • Johnny

          and you’re an elitist fuck which is why you stand up for Kerry “Slayer is the only real metal band and I actually pretend people care what I think” King

        • bob

          Kerry King and Slayer suck ass, fuck them! Killswitch Engage is fuckin awesome, they actually have GOOD music, unlike Slayer where every damn song sounds the fuckin same. Slayer is horrible, unoriginal, and they suck ass. KsE fuckin rules Slayer ANY day

      • Gina Falconetti

        I would absolutely LOVE to suck his thing! I bet its juicy and really hairy!
        I love Slayer, because Kerry King is a real man and makes my pussy dripping wett!

    • jackattack

      Stop talking and rid us of your filth that’s polluting the scene first.

      • Mike

        At least I don’t write shitty music for 14 year olds.

        • Fink

          Ah yes. KSE = Metalcore = for 14 year olds. Never heard that retarded, oversimplified, rehashed excuse for an argument before. You’re just as simple as the people you seem to think you’re so much better than.

          If you don’t like it, great; you can hate ‘em til you turn blue in the face (and hopefully pass out). Stop trying to pretend like somehow you know better than the rest of us though.

        • Diesel Computer

          I highly doubt the members of Killswitch actively write tunes for 14 year olds. I assume that much like Slayer, they write shit that they get off on and enjoy playing. You can’t pick and choose your fans. You put out your record and whoever enjoys it is going to buy it.

          Live, Kerry King expresses his enjoyment by standing “Slayer still” and Adam D. expresses himself by wearing a cape and acting like a clown. I dont see how either approach is more or less “metal” or “gay” than the other.

    • Diesel Computer

      “overall gay-ness of their music” and “filth that’s polluting the metal scene.” sure does sound like elitism though.

      • Jizzmaster3000

        I’m not sure that stating reality, such as the realitly of Killswitch Engage sucking balls can be really classed as “elitism”.

        • Johnny

          Or that the reality of the name Jizzmaster is one used by Attack Attack loving cum guzzlers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jesse-Menard/502061034 Jesse Menard

    what a silly man

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matthew-Kurtz/1493586117 Matthew Kurtz

    Er..I gotta disagree with this. I was pumped as hell to see Killswitch but Adam was just fucking annoying. It’s like he didn’t when know when to stop.

  • Iggins!

    just saw killswitch in tinley park. Adam was weird. He suggested someone find him an 18 year old girl to pee on. It was strange, and I’m not sure I liked it. However, their show was more enjoyable than Slayer, so take that how you will.

  • Kye

    Killswitch was better at Mayhem than Slayer

    Just saying.

    • Chris

      Yeah, they fucking killed on the Jager tour too! Had huge KSE chants after every show, hints why Kerry wanted them off the tour. Not the stage antics but the fact that they were up staging them every night. LOL. Fuck Slayer.

      • jim

        adam d does act like a tool on stage kse are alright but slayer fuckin dominates

      • jim

        adam d does act like a tool on stage kse are alright but slayer fuckin dominates

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QU0BKUbflc Garske

      Very true.

    • Tommy Lindbergsen

      KSE better than Slayer…..
      I bet you question your sexual orientation too.

      • Shimbo

        He was just stating that he thought KSE puut on a better live performance than Slayer. That has absolutely nothing to do with sexual orientation. Honestly, these types of insults and quirks are perhaps some of the most retarded I have ever heard. Who the fuck cares whether someone likes dick or pussy? See. You bring out the bluntness in me.

        • Tommy Lindbergsen

          How was that blunt?
          It’s ok if you’re gay too shimbo, just try not to act like a woman unless you are one.

          • Shimbo

            It’s interesting to see tha you believet only a woman could put up a logical argument against the use of ignorant insults and smart-ass quirks. Tells a lot about your elitist ass as well as the other, presumably metalheads, friends of yours.

  • Johnny

    Kerry King is just annoyed his band released ten thousand albums that all sound exactly the same and the only way he can play a show is by standing “Slayer Still”.

    And I also say this as a Slayer fan.

    • rayray

      EXACTLY. ASIDE FROM “GOD HATES US ALL” EVERY SLAYER ALBUM IS THE SAME. KSE RULES AND DESERVE ALL THE RESPECT THEY GET BECAUSE THEY DONT TAKE IT AS SERIOUSLY. I LIKE SLAYER AND LISTEN TO THEM ALLTHE TIME. BUT COME ON KERRY. SHUT THE FUCK UP.

      • ‘lil billy

        How is *every* Slayer album the same? The first four all have a sound that stems from the same vien (thrash), but at the same time each is unique and recognizably different. Go back and listen, does South of Heaven sound like a rehashed version of Show No Mercy?

      • Tommy Lindbergsen

        KSE is redundant and generic, anyone who actually likes them hasn’t been listening to metal all that long obviously.

  • Nikki

    I was unfortunate enough to witness KSE live in ’07 on the lamb of god tour. Although Adam was hilarious (he insisted that he left with the smell of every girl’s ass on his thumb), it got old and annoying after the 2054730184th joke.

    • Tommy Lindbergsen

      You couldn’t pay me to see Lamb of God and KSE in the same day.
      What a shitty tour!

  • http://www.welovemetal.com We Love Metal

    I think it would be great if KSE went over to Slayer to try and defend their honor. That would be PPV worthy.

    • bubba T

      Yeah it would..watch the monster of a man Howard pound the skulls of those q-tips in Slayer…King cand stand Slayer still while Howard goes east coast on his over weight, double chinned face.

  • http://www.myspace.com/1033metal Jackson

    Adam is what makes KSE’s live show and I hope he says something in response because you know it will be some of the most absurd hilarious shit he can think of off the top of his head

    • Canvas Of Flesh

      Honestly, if a band has to rely on some asshat band member’s antics to “make” a show, then there’s something really wrong with the picture. Typically, what SHOULD “make” the show is the actual music. You know, the thing you paid money to hear?

      • http://www.myspace.com/1033metal Jackson

        I’ve seem them twice with out adam, and its not just his antics but his stage presence as well. One of those two times he was sick and couldnt play just that show the other time was for the entire tour where they had a very skilled person to fill in (I forget who now), but the guy had no presence what so ever and I had to leave half way through cause I was bored out of my mind.

        Live is not all about just the music, I’ve seen plenty of bands I can’t stand to listen to put on amazing shows as well as bands I love put on terrible ones.

        • http://dmxrr15@hotmail.com IsntaTOTALdouchebag10

          Yeah, live is definitely not all about the music. Thats what listening to my stereo is all about. When I go to a show I want to see the band rocking the fuck out, improvising a bit, and just going crazy. Slayer stands still and doesnt do anything.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Gavin/1396340262 Mark Gavin

    didn’t Mustaine start the feud between himself and King? Not that Kerry wouldn’t have started it if Dave didn’t do it first.

    Also, fuck Kerry King and Adam D.

    • cougar party

      I believe you are right. I think Mustaine started it by saying Kerry King learn everything he new from watching him.

      • Vlad

        That must be tr00 ! ! ! jejeje

  • hotel

    Adam D is the shit, he makes a killswitch gig so more enjoying, actually, all members go all out, just because you are metal, does not mean you can’t have fun

    • Biff Tannen

      KSE is by no means “Metal”. Keep that shit in the mall, son.

      • bubba T

        Thats right…only you know what metal is. Asshat…

        • http://farbeyonddriven87.tumblr.com/ voltron futura

          heh…asshat. i like that.

  • Carter

    Kerry King is a douche, who also can’t play a guitar solo on beat. KSE’s riffs are more interesting, albeit more metalcore.

    -This coming from someone who can’t stand slayer.

    • Tommy Lindbergsen

      “KSE’s riffs are more interesting, albeit more metalcore.”

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

      It’s really sad how mallcore has invaded this site.

  • TurdFerguson

    I remember the first time i saw Slayer and Tom Araya was asking the crowd how they liked eating the maggots from a dead girl’s cunt before they played “Necrophiliac”…my first real life face palm.

    • prives

      How about the face palm you got when you realised that the song you’re talking about is called “Necrophobic”?

  • erock

    At the Sacramento show, the KsE members were all wearing tuxedo shirts and Adam was wearing a cape. He was also wearing tiny shorts and was skipping around the stage the whole time. It really took away from the show, I have to be honest. I was distracted by his pop-punk antics.

    • Tommy Lindbergsen

      For some reason that reminds me of how the guys in Akercocke gig in three piece suits and don’t suck.

  • Canvas Of Flesh

    While I’m not a huge Slayer fan, KSE definitely suck. I haven’t seen their live show but I can attest that when some band members act like morons on stage it takes away from the experience. For instance, I went to see Testament a couple of months ago. Lazarus A.D. and Unearth opened for them. Lazarus A.D. were downright awesome. I was unfamiliar with Unearth, but when I heard them start playing I lost interest as metalcore isn’t my thing. But, then one of the asshole guitarists starts spitting all over the crowd. Why the fuck would you spit on people paying to see your dumbass play. What a disgusting fucktard. Then the vocalist, trying to be awesome as hell, keep recreating the Flashdance scene every 5 minutes with a bottle of water! What a bunch of assholes.

    On the plus side, Testament totally made up for the idiots in Unearth.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Gavin/1396340262 Mark Gavin

      I never liked Killswitch but I also went to that tour with Testament and I thought Unearth were great. I like their music enough (they’re not amazing, but they’re my pick of out of the current metalcore bands), but they put on a good enough show. There was no spitting, even though I wouldn’t put it past Ken Susi to do that.

      I honestly thought Lazarus stole the show. They don’t even have enough material to headline but I still would’ve let them play all of The Onslaught in it’s entirety.

      • Canvas Of Flesh

        Dude, I had a long reply typed out and when I hit submit it disappeared. Rather than re-type it I’ll just agree that Lazarus fucking rock and that the guitarist for Unearth’s spitting antics are well-documented.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Gavin/1396340262 Mark Gavin

          lolpix or it didn’t happen!!1

    • bubba T

      Keep your ass out of a guttermouth show then…I hate guttermouth but it is quite hilarious to watch un suspecting fans get some lung butter all over their faces.

      • Canvas Of Flesh

        Guttermouth?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Gavin/1396340262 Mark Gavin

          I’m starting to think maybe Ken did spit on the crowd, and I was just so absorbed in the show that I totally thought I was enjoying it. Sort of like when Municipal Waste sprayed beer on the crowd… I don’t drink, but I did the best I could to make sure I got some of that in my mouth*.

          Being at a show it like… totally turns you into zombies, ya know? What show were you at, Canvas? I was at the Worcester, MA one.

          *thar’s what she said

          • Canvas Of Flesh

            The Cincinnati, OH show. I really just went with a couple of buddies because I love Testament. Unfortunately, the venue is located in probably the worst part of Cincinnati. So you have to go down there in full riot gear.

            Anyways, spraying beer, I’m all for it. Free beer is always good. It’s not so good if you get pulled over on the way home, but spraying beer is okay by me.

            Hawking a chunky loogie on people who you presume to be your fans…that doesn’t strike me as cool. Throw a guitar pick to them, throw them a fresh bottle of water (it was hot as hell in there), hell throwing them the finger is okay. Letting your possibly disease-ridden bodily fluids splatter across their face is not fun. It just astounded me because it seemed like their fans actually enjoyed it or something. The majority of people that were there for Testament really didn’t like it though.

            All in all, it was a great show thanks to Lazarus and Testament.

        • bubba T

          Not a metal band at all haha…just the spitting rference reminded me of them. They are quite disgusting, and not exactly a good band to begin with.

  • Walker

    I love Adam D on stage, every other metal band is all fucking tough on stage and I love the fact he wears boat shoes and parades around in a cape, and says funny shit in that stupid deep voice. He is being complete satire on stage. I know we all love metal but most of us do understand that some of it is downright silly. Gwar, Kiss, Slipknot, breakdowns, guilty pleasure bands (early bury your dead for me, which is as silly as it gets IMO) One thing i ve always like about KSE is you usually see them smiling onstage and look like they are having a great time. I bet King has a shitty sense of humor, probably only finds Dennis Miller funny and thought The Hangover sucked.

    • Canvas Of Flesh

      But, the Hangover did suck…

      • jackattack

        Please tell me you make independent films… That’s the only kind of elitism that would allow you to think that The Hangover sucked.

        • Fink

          Clearly the Hangover sucked. Everyone and their fuckin’ mother liked it… which must mean it’s terrible.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Gavin/1396340262 Mark Gavin

            Hangover’s the only comedy since Anchorman I’ve seen in theaters twice. Also the only comedy that lived up to my expectations.

  • b-rad

    KSE is such an amazing live band, and Adam being a fucking goofball [while not missing a beat, i will add] only makes the show that much more enjoyable. you can see when you watch this band perform that are genuinely ENJOYING what they are doing! they don’t adopt the ‘tough guy” persona and don’t take themselves too seriously. in contrast to the unmentioned headlining band that i saw them with last that kept both feet firmly planted in one spot the entire show.

  • http://www.twitter.com/DanContogiannis Dan Contogiannis

    Couldn’t agree more with AR. I’m not a huge Killswitch fan, but their live show is BETTER because of Adam D in my opinion. I’m not saying his antics are for everyone, but Kerry King just makes himself look like a whiny old man when he says this kind of thing. And I’m saying this as a Slayer fan, hah.

    Great picture at the top, by the way.

  • Motoghost

    Kerry King is a total pussy, but he has a point. Adam D. can be really annoying in the live setting, but he is pretty much the only reason I could stand seeing KsE a couple years ago. Their tour with Lamb of God,DevilDriver, and Soilwork was great, but they were the biggest let down on that tour. They were so boring after having just seen DevilDriver and Soilwork, the only thing that kept me from leaving was laughing at that idiot Adam D.

  • http://incoldblogger.blogspot.com Corey Mitchell

    Ken from Unearth and Adam D. from KSE are the ultimate douchenozzles in a live setting. The former’s fratboy beer bongs and ironic “I hate metal” hipsterism and the latter’s “Aquabats in Daisy Dukes with tiny testicles” retreads are an embarassment.

    No, it doesn’t all have to be blood/grunt/devil horns/grrr!!!! all the time, but simply being an attention-seeking whoretard just sells your music short in my eyes/ears and makes me wonder what you are compensating for.

    SLAYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • http://www.myspace.com/1033metal Jackson

      the real irony is you claim to dislike his ironic “i hate metal” hipsterism on a site called metal sucks

      • http://incoldblogger.blogspot.com Corey Mitchell

        Hmmm, let’s see — writing about a musical genre wherein roughly 85% of it blows leper goats versus being a professional “metal” musician who mocks the genre and its fans (as well as his paying customers) with his alleged humorous on-stage antics whilst playing mediocre metalmallcore — not quite apples to apples.

        No, I’ll stick with my definitive statement that I dislike his ironic “i hate metal” hipsterism.

        • Nick

          Did you really have to say mallcore? That’s pretty much hipsterism in a different form.

          • http://incoldblogger.blogspot.com Corey Mitchell

            I didn’t.

    • cougar party

      Nice Aquabats reference.

  • tom

    I really don’t think he’s saying that Kse should’t be silly on stage, i think he’s trying to say that a band supporting slayer shouldn’t be silly, ya’ know? Like baroness wouldn’t ever book anal cunt as a support act would they? it doesn’t fit…….

  • b-rad

    by the way kerry kings solos are fucking lame. “let’s see how fast i can play and do nothing harmonic whatsoever”… children can fucking do that! and furthermore, fuck kerry king. fuck him in the asshole with a big rubber dick… break it off and beat him with the rest of it.

    • bucketochicken

      I miss George too.

  • reezle

    I don’t blame Kerry – I was at that Kerrang awards show (it was Hackney, London – Dime was there too, same year he died I think so prob about 2007…) that Kerry was at and KSE played live. I’d never seen them live before either, just heard and not liked their stuff. I remember at the time thinking that they absolutely were complete shit, so generic, and really appeared to be taking the piss out of metal completely. Akercocke played at same show and the contrast between the two bands couldn’t have been greater.

    If I was KK I wouldn’t wanna share the stage with a comedy metal act either, KSE belong on a tour with The Darkness from what I could tell when I saw them.

    Think about it, bands like Faith No More fuck around all the time on stage, but it goes with the music – KSE’s music just doesn’t sound like it would be played by a comedy guitarist, the musics all angry and serious. And then the whole thing just smacks of fakeness and insincerity, regardless if that’s the case or not.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Gavin/1396340262 Mark Gavin

      Dime died in December 2004.

      • reezle

        Doh, my bad, must’ve been 2004 then – fuck knows why I thought Dime died only 2 years ago, must think harder!

    • Pete

      Sorry to nitpick, but Dime died in 2004.

    • bubba T

      You don’t read their lyrics then do you? While not goofy, Howards lyrics are usually pretyt hopefull sounding…until this last album. Some bitch pissed him off mighty good it sounds like.

  • dicknballs

    You know how I know Kerry King is stupid? He’s buddies with Zakk Wylde. Enough said.

    Not the biggest Killswitch fan either but they do put on quite a good live show, as does Slayer. Less yappy, more jammy.

  • David

    KSE was asked about this in an interview in the new issue of Guitar World. I don’t remember their exact response, but they really didn’t seem to care what Kerry King thinks.

  • hi my name is mark

    “He puts his foot in his mouth all the time and he says stupid shit,”

    Pot. Kettle. Black.

    • jackattack

      1

  • jackattack

    To each his own is what I say… I’d argue that the ludicrous costumes and over-seriousness of Scandinavian Black Metal is just as silly as Ken from Unearth or Adam D.’s antics, but you rarely hear people ripping on Shagrath or Gaahl in the way people hate on the aforementioned idiots. But it doesn’t end up mattering anyway, cause KK would find a way to bitch about it one way or another.

  • Sean

    I recently was at Mayhem, and the KSE set was almost amateurish in comparison to Slayer’s. Adam was running around in his cape and saying all matter of inane crap that wasn’t even amusing. I don’t have anything against KSE other than I find their metalcore music bland and predictable, but I definitely left with a worse impression of them after the show. Once Slayer got on, they showed everyone how it was done, and I’m not even much of a Slayer fan, but they brought an intense set.

    • bubba T

      Yep…they showed everyone how to stand realllllllll still and play ubsurdly boring solo’s.

      • Sean

        If you judge your bands by how much they move around, and don’t care for solos, then you should really go see something like Britney Spears or some such tripe. Plenty of choreographed movement for you to marvel at, and if you are lucky maybe some dancers with capes.

  • mankvill

    I love how whenever someone criticizes metal bands for being silly douchebags on stage, people jump down their throats. “OH, JUST BECAUSE IT’S NOT BRUTAL NORWEGIAN BLACK METAL THAT ONLY 4 PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT, IT SUCKS?”

    No, it sucks because Killswitch Engage are douchebags on stage that care more about seeing tits and chiding the people there that aren’t into them than playing their cookie-cutter metalcore garbage (is the trade-off worth it?)

    You know what else was like that on stage? Glam metal. Metalcore is the glam of the ’00′s.

    • Canvas Of Flesh

      I would concur. Some of these -core bands seem like a modern day Poison.

    • jackattack

      Wow… I see what you’re trying to suggest here, but the difference is that Glam Metal was an extremely specific genre that got a lot of radio play and deviated from the actual basis of metal to a pretty great degree. While some metalcore gets radio play and has certainly blown up in comparison to kvlt/tr00/whatever stuff, the money and profit has never, ever flooded into metalcore like it did with 80s glam metal. Additionally, nearly every glam metal band sounded exactly that same… some would argue differently, but for my money metalcore is a pretty wide genre. Most people would call Converge metalcore, and they certainly don’t act like retards on stage or sound anything like KsE. Same goes for Zao, Protest the Hero, Darkest Hour and a ton more. So please, when you’re trying to be elitist and suggest that you’re above popular metal of the day, at least do it like correctly like Ziltoid.

      • mankvill

        Did you really just say metalcore doesn’t sound all the same?

        lol

        • jackattack

          Yes, I did. Do your fucking homework, asshole. I happen to be a metal fan that listens to probably just as much metal as you do, but I’m also a hardcore fan and have been for a long time. There’s bands around right now, in fact, that could be labeled as metalcore that are better than the majority of kvlt shit that gets mentioned on the boards here everyday. Check out Rise and Fall from Belgium… actually don’t… you shouldn’t be allowed.

          Anyway, back to the point… sure, there are tons of shitty metalcore bands that spoil the genre… but that’s not specific to metalcore. There are plenty of Black Metal or Prog Metal bands that many people laugh at… Opeth for example, there’s just as many haters as there are fanboys, same thing goes for Gorgoroth or Mayhem. I’m not comparing KsE with those bands, though, so please don’t harp on that… my point is that for every terrible metalcore band, there are at least a few that meld the two genres in the namesake the right way… being a Converge fan boy I would immediately point to them, but if you insist that all metalcore sounds that same, suggesting the KsE sounds the same as Converge, that you should consider going into a mental health institution.

          • Diesel Computer

            +1 to your comment and a +10 for the Ziltoid reference.

          • SolaceInNothing

            Epic Win

          • Ziltoid

            +100 for the Ziltoid reference

            While I agree that there are some (albeit VERY VERY few) good metalcore bands like PtH and BtBaM, for every one of them, there are many more generic, awful bands that make the genre as a whole as deservedly hated as it is.

          • lolwut

            still cant understand the hype about fortress i bought it listened to 20 seconds and chucked it out the window on the way home

          • jackattack

            Zilty pretty much summed up part of my argument succinctly. But again, there are a good number of unsung metalcore bands that get a bad wrap simply because of the genre they fall under. For every It Dies Today, there’s an At All Cost. For every Calibab, a band like Curl Up and Die (who if you haven’t listened to, check out “Dr Doom, A Man of Science, Doesn’t Believe in Jesus, Why the Fuck Do You?”, insanely brutal, original breakdown at the end).

          • prives

            …and now jackattack and Ziltoid are going to put on some Barry White, light some candles, and see what happens…

          • Brutalizer

            WIN

          • Brutalizer

            and lol at PtH and Btbam hahahah

  • zhitnik

    I find it funny that people who arent fans of Slayer give them shit for sounding the same, when an equally uneducated KSE fan (myself) can just as easily say that all their shit sounds the same, and it does to me. Of course, thats because it just isn’t my style of metal. These discussions always end up turning into which band is better anyway. Back on topic, after browsing through some KSE clips from live shows, their sound is fine, but yea, that Adam guy needs to STFU. Maybe the kids like it, but it just makes me scoff.

  • johnnywhoopass

    Ill Take KSE over slayer any day of the fuckin week, seen them both live, and ill take adam d’s silliness any old day of the week over kings pump my fist and wail approach just dosent do it for me kill switch is much more entertaining , king needs to chill the fuck out

  • Andy

    Is Adam D. going out of his way to look like a member of Blink-182 in that picture above?

    Regardless, KSE are a great live band and deserve some respect. Even if you don’t enjoy Adam’s antics, they put a good amount of energy into pulling off the songs — some of which actually sound better live.

  • Matt

    Kerry King was performed on then was in a Sum 41 video.. he has no credibility anymore

  • Anthony

    You know who’s better than both bands? Chimaira

    • !?!

      Seriously?

      • Anthony

        Absolutely. Why wouldn’t I be? You talk about a band that’s heavier than KsE and haven’t quite softened their sound or wrote the radio hits, and a band that has more diversity in their songwriting, actually HAS songwriting and not regurgitated riffs from album to album, solos that fit into the songs and have harmony, and a singer who’s throat isn’t completely shot and has lyrics that don’t suck.

        That band would be Chimaira

        • Ziltoid

          did you just seriously fucking describe Chimaira as diverse?!?!?!? You must have a hearing problem. While their s/t was decent (at best) each song on any given album sounds almost exactly alike. And an especially big LOL at the songwriting part. Their new album was especially guilty of lacking any originality or diversity or good songwriting. And the guy actually does sound like his throat is shot. Also, I doubt you even know what harmony is.

          Try Suidakra. Much better, no compromising at all, nice melodies and solos, and great riffs. Crogacht is a contender for my album of the year so far. Every album except for “Command to Charge” is a thoroughly enjoyable listen.

          • Anthony

            I was speaking relative. I can actually tell a difference between Chimaira riffs, something that is sometimes difficult to do with Slayer.

          • Ziltoid

            Chimaira are just a dull as Slayer, except much much worse. I don’t even like Slayer, but Chimaira is nothing but a wet musical turd. Chimaira riffs are just as regurgitated as Slayer riffs, but Slayer riffs are just better.

  • Don’t Toy

    I’ve had the unfortunate experience of seeing KSE twice while opening for other bands. I literally can’t stand Adam D. He’s obnoxious, stupid, and just an overall douche bag attention whore.

  • SolaceInNothing

    Kerry King is just pissed off because his bands brand of metal is obsolete.

    Oh look at me, Im on steroids and have a tattoo on my neck so that gives me the right to be an asshole.

    GOD FORBID ONE BAND, JUST ONE, BRINGS A LITTLE SENSE OF HUMOR TO A GENRE WITH INHERENTLY TOO MUCH TESTOSTERONE.

    Fuck all shit talkers.

    Metal is about community not competition.

  • Sven

    KSE was one of the most lifeless live acts I’ve ever seen. They weren’t bad, but just a non-presence, only highlighted by some forced, embarrassing jokes about eating pussy by Adam D, which was cringeworthy and distracting. Stick to guitar, dude – silly capes and dumb jokes do not a comedian make, and if that’s “one of the best parts of their live show,” as Axl wrote, that’s kind of a backhanded compliment. How about “they had a pulse,” or “they weren’t just going through the motions” while we’re at it.

    I’m not saying they’re a terrible band, but I can’t imagine seeing them as a headliner any time soon. It’s kind of how I feel about Trivium – perpetual second bananas, doomed to bridesmaid status forever.

  • Pete

    So what, KSE have fun, laugh at themselves and enjoy what they are doing. I dont like their music, but it is actually refreshing to see a band enjoying themselves on stage. I have a feeling that Adam isnt “putting it on for stage” he seems to just be like that, a kinda crazy kooky guy.

    As for Slayer, when i was a kid their albums were life changing and musically they were pivotal to metal in the EIGHTIES and shaped metal in a huge and powerful way, but yeah, they havent changed and keep just rehashing the same thing and havent progressed in any way. And King sounds like a dick, how about he focuses on his own live show and worry about whats hes doing rather than what anyone else is doing, Hes old as fuck but still has the mentality of a highschool kid. If he really believed in what he was doing, then his music and show should speak for themselves and it shouldnt matter what anyone else is doing. It seems he is more worries about being upstaged.

    A lot of people in metal take themselves far too seriously, lighten up.. its ok to laugh and have fun… and its not all about following the “rules of metal”, because in the end, creating a metal doctrine of the dos and do nots is creating a new bullshit of what metal was essentially rejecting in the first place.

    • jackattack

      Thank you. Reason #563820: clause B as to why elitism and shittalking in the metal community should die a painful death.

      • Pete

        Shit talking in the public forum between phil and dime is how dime ended up getting shot… not that this is comparable by any means, but someone whose a few sandwiches short of a picnic, takes up the wrong cause and blows it out of proportion, and shit gets out of hand… opinions are like assholes, everyone has them, but you’d think a grown ass man would know when to keep his opinion where it belongs, in his asshole….

  • Porkspam

    But uhm appearing in a Beastie Boys video, ya know when they were REALLY serious, wasn’t being a joke?
    Or how about manson lately? Have you seen how porky this guy got? Used to have the potential to be a bowie, now he’s more a blackie lawless

  • xXxDarkfoxXx

    Adam D’s silliness is what makes a Killswitch show a Killswitch show. You can’t say the same thing about Kerry King and Slayer.

  • Ziltoid

    Just wondering, for anyone unfortunate enough to ever be at a KSE show, what type of antics does the guy do onstage? Is it just stupid unfunny crap, or genuine humor? A band like Edguy (pretty much the definition of average power metal) puts on a surprisingly fun live show with the aid of Tobias Sammet’s humor. He’s genuinely funny, and he really energizes the crowd well both with his banter/communication with the audience, and with his movements. That is the way good “silliness” works. If it’s just unfunny stuff that’s said because “OMG SHOCK VALUE,” then King might have a point. An example of the guy’s on stage stuff would help to see who is the real idiot here.

    • MikeAdam

      Very good point

    • Canvas Of Flesh

      Sammet is definitely a fine entertainer. I enjoy his Avantasia work a bit more than his Edguy work though.

    • Ziltoid

      From above:

      “Iggins! says:
      July 28, 2009 at 2:02 pm

      just saw killswitch in tinley park. Adam was weird. He suggested someone find him an 18 year old girl to pee on. It was strange, and I’m not sure I liked it. However, their show was more enjoyable than Slayer, so take that how you will.”

      This is a prime example of the crappy silliness I was talking about. That is not funny, it’s just rude for the sake of shock value. Sammet and others like him would never resort to such juvenile antics. Sure, there can be crude humor, but if it’s just random, out-of-the-blue stuff without purpose or meaning, it’s just stupid. Seems like King is right based on this example…

      • http://www.myspace.com/1033metal Jackson

        on occasion it does have to do with the music, like when he says “this next song is about when Howard falls down, its called When Darkness Falls” I might not of gotten that word for word but you get the point and I sure fucking laughed the first time I heard that

      • jackattack

        I wouldn’t give KK the satisfaction of saying he’s right, cause he criticizes everything that fucking walks and breathes that isn’t him or his band. But as I was saying before, I think Adam D. is pretty stupid and inane on stage, but that’s just my opinion. There are plenty of other bands on stage that have great humor and aren’t insanely conspicuous about it. Case A: The Red Chord… anyone seen them do the Zelda theme jig during the middle of Nihilist ??? It’s so awesome. And very funny.

  • Charlie B

    I agree with Kerry King 100%. I can’t stand mallcore.

    • NIck B

      I said mallcore! I’m so cool it’s unbeleivable! You’re just a trendwhore in a different dressing, can’t count how many fucks i’ve heard say this, it’s annoying as shit, shut the fuck up.

      • prives

        Why? Do you listen to mallcore?

  • MetalAC13

    Ok, I don’t really feel like reading most of these posts that encompass Kerry King was right, KSE sucks; blah blah blah I’m not sure if it’s been brought up but Adam D and Joel were interviewed in GuitarWorld, and Adam D could care less about what Kerry King/Slayer think (clearly I’m paraphrasing)..

    My opinion is who gives a flying fuck. Play your own show and worry about your own band. So the guy likes to dress like an idiot and say stupid things. Oh no, a metalhead not being serious. Gasp! Get over it.

  • http://sdgvb jeffhateseveryone

    :(

  • http://sdgvb jeffhateseveryone

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  • dlux

    both bands last 3 albums were indistiguishable.

  • cink

    Killswitch are fucking awesome,

    Kerry can think whatever he wants but he is always running his mouth. It is understandable though if he doesn’t like their live show. Atleast he digs their music to some extent.

  • shadrak

    Saw these guys in Atlanta last Friday. KSE in full tuxedo shirt, shorts and cape get up. Just too friggin silly. Then Adam starts up criticizing the audience for sitting or standing around or something, goes on a tirade about getting the audience needing to get their vaginas checked at the massengil tent (something like that), procedes to talk about how they need to be “metal” and then launches into the most boy-band keyboard intro-laden mallcore ever.

    Just shut him the f-up.

    • bubba T

      There is not a keyboard in KSE…maybe you are just embarassed to tell everyone you were actually at the Devil Wears Prada show…that’s what I think anyway.

  • http://reaper-x.deviantart.com/ Reaper-X

    I don’t care what that douche does on stage. As long as someone can keep him from getting behind another mixing console.

  • dot

    kerry, you breed akitas.

  • Aya

    Adam is probably the main reason why I love KSE. I like how he adds British rock texture into metal.
    Yep, he looks like a kook on stage. But this is who he is, hilarious as always. It did take a while for me to appreciate it though.

    Anyway, we can’t deny that each KSE show is like a party…He just wants to make people happy.

  • tim

    In reading Axls thing, he mentioned King ripping on Machine Head. What did he say about MH? I stopped paying attention to King a while ago, so forgive me if I missed a huge event in the world of metal.

    • http://www.myspace.com/1033metal Jackson

      That was like 3 years ago or so I think

  • aniie

    fuck i love slayer! and i love kerry!
    and i mean who cares what they say about who!
    its all entertaining and shit and im pretty sure kerry just dosent give a fuck about what he says and how it effects ppl so wat evs

  • http://www.themetalreporter.net TMR

    hehe..kerry looks like a douche

  • Tommy Lindbergsen

    For the record….Slayer destroys KSE.
    Slayer spawned albums like Seasons in the Abyss and Reign in Blood, and KSE produces pig tripe.
    Hell, I’d rather listen to God Hates us all and Christ Illusion than anything KSE has done.

    • cink

      You’re an idiot and your music taste sucks in that case. Alive Or Just Breathing slays every Slayer album except for Reign In Blood.

      • Tommy Lindbergsen

        Your opinion is invalid since you are obviously a core fanboy, anyone who doesn’t give respect to Slayer as being pioneers of a genre are completely without merit in terms of metal.
        Anyone giving props to an obvious crossover shit band like KSE is just a laughable simpleton who most likely listens to Job for a Cowboy and thinks they’re brutal as fuck.
        haha@ you

        • EvilWesLivesWithMomma

          Your opinion is about as hilarious as your European death metal collection and the fact that you think dudes who wear or wore at one time tight spandex, big leather bracelets and paint there faces are THE SHIT pretty much cancels any opinion you have as being from “Kid with Mild Autism who can’t accept that music progresses wont always be the way he wants it” Continue kicking your feet on the ground and stomping your way to your room because better bands sell more albums and prove your retarded opinion wrong.

  • JRTME

    You know what is funny?

    KSE are no more silly then one of his biggest Peers ANTHRAX back in the day.

    I am the Man anyone?

  • Brutalizer

    Kerry king is just pissed because Killswitch is selling tons of records and he is stuck re-writing the same old riffs. I am saying this as neither a slayer or killswitch fan.

    • Canvas Of Flesh

      But isn’t Slayer selling a ton of records though too?

      • Brutalizer

        Yeah, but they can’t write a decent new song!

        • Ziltoid

          They don’t have to write good songs to sell records. Then again, either do KSE…

  • chauncey chompers

    How about this? Killswitch engage is a terrible fucking emo lame-o band. and Im glad slayer tried to kick them off the tour. anyone who likes this band has bad taste. how does that grab you all? real talk.

  • Old Skool Metal

    I love Slayer, always have but I know King is kind of a dick. That’s just the way he is. Slayer was always the band that no one could open for and they were very proud of that fact. I think that with the way metal has gone and the new variations of fans that attend shows, that whole Slayer mystique may be beggining to fade. Nowadays the younger fans that go see slayer will also be into the band playing before them and thus the band may have a good time opening for slayer. When I used to go see slayer in like 2000 capacity venues back in the day, NO ONE wanted to open for them because the crowd would eat them alive. King is just not liking the fact that we’re all getting old. I didnt really dig all the breakdowns and crap in the new metal, but I see that it’s got a big following and these kids are buying metal and going to shows. Because there is an audience these huge festivals can happen and thus I was able to cee Cannibal Corpse, TBDM and Slayer all in one day! I also became a fan of God Forbid when I watched them play and got to meet the band afterwards. \M/

  • Jimmer

    I’m sorry… but this makes Kerry King yet again look like a pissed off redneck. Its just “silly” on his part. I’m both a huge KSE and Slayer fan but come on, Kerry grow up and have a little fun okay.

  • http://www.myspace.com/beneaththesoil1 porterpotty

    well i hate slayer, and i say carrie queen can shut his mouth because the bottom line is, if adam dutkiewicz (or anybody for that matter) can offend a member of slayer, one of the most proclaimed metal bands ever, them my hat is off to him for doing so. isn’t being offensive almost a prerequisite of being metal? ask yourself that in the mirror mr. king, you small, flaccid penis.

  • Tim

    Adam D = clown, and he’s completely aware of that fact

    Kerry King = clown, in denial…. seriously kerry, tribal tattoos?

    I’m not a fan of either band, but atleast Adam can write and play a decent fucking solo

  • Matt

    KSE is awful……bring on the hate. I agree with “Canvas Of Flesh” the best shows are always the bands that just come out and play, not the ones that dance around like a bunch of fuckin idiots. Kerry King has a right to his opinion even if all you metalcore fanboys don’t agree with it. In twenty years no one is going to remember witch flavor of the week metalcore band was huge back in 2009, but Slayer and Kerry King have changed music forever.

    • cink

      Flavor of the week aye? seems you haven’t done your homework. Killswitch have been the leader of the metalcore genre for a decade now and relevant I may add. Slayer on the other hand were relevant back in the late 80′s- early 90′s. Slayer have only been living on the success of their early releases the last 10+ years.

      • Tommy Lindbergsen

        ” Leader of the metalcore genre”

        That’s not something I would want to be known for since Metalcore is clearly an inferior genre.

  • BrandonMetal

    RE the photo of the KSE guy- it screams ‘please like me, i want to be cool’

    RE king,
    it’s not metal to be offended

  • Don’t Toy

    LMFAO @ people that say KSE are better than Slayer. Get a fucking clue. Seriously. Get a FUCKING clue!

  • Bill

    “Because I’d never seen ‘em live, and then I saw them live at some, I don’t know, maybe at Kerrang! Awards over in Europe.”

    That’s bullshit.
    I know because I fucking MET Kerry king at a Killswitch show years ago at a small club in CT.
    October 4, 2002
    here is a link to the picture.
    http://www.beyondreflection.com/pictures/meet/BillKerryKing.jpg

    What a retard

  • Pete

    Shit talking in the public forum between phil and dime is how dime ended up getting shot… not that this is comparable by any means, but someone whose a few sandwiches short of a picnic, takes up the wrong cause and blows it out of proportion, and shit gets out of hand… opinions are like assholes, everyone has them, but you’d think a grown ass man would know when to keep his opinion where it belongs, in his asshole….

  • jeff

    SLAYER!!!!

  • rupert

    this feud is funny as fuck. the one thing i want to point out is for me personally these two bands were the best sounding at mayhem fest, which is a hard thing to do seeing as the lineup this year. Also, adam’s jokes brought out a side of metal that is at times nice to see, it was never out of place, and went along perfectly with a kickass show.

  • Dude…

    It’s funny how everyone is criticizing Ken Susi and Adam D for their crazy antics and on-stage banter, yet everyone loved Devin Townsend when he would rant like an idiot like asking women if they were jamming out with their clam out or introducing us to Snorkle the Shark.

  • bill

    both bands suck and i wish they both never existed. go listen to august burns red

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shane-Maughan/1357753504 Shane Maughan

      you know Adam D (guitarist of killswitch) is the producer of augst burns red. And many other bands.

  • chan

    adam d is my role model, he is so hilarious and an amazing guitar player. kerry king SUCKS. slayer SUCKS. kse is amazing and they never let me down. slayer is too old for me and all of their music sounds the same. its freakin horrible. kse’s stage presence is so amazing and it keeps me on my feet

  • your mom

    Kerry King is a major douche bag. I have been backstage with this barney; and the only thing he cares about is if your a porn star or your someone who can give him some more money. Fuck him. I wish he didn’t have his Tap-Out entourage there; because there were plenty of us who wanted to crack his fucking skull. He hates any band that might review better then SLAYER; and I love SLAYER. I just think he needs a major beatdown, just like glenn danzig. If you do , please video it. It will be priceless!