YES, BUT I HATE EVERYONE

Wednesday, July 29th, 2009 at 12:00pm by Axl Rosenberg

deathcore

Over at Invisible Oranges, Cosmo Lee has increasingly been writing about metal life in addition to his usual reviews. The topic du jour is what happens when you love a band, but hate other fans of said band. Mr. Lee writes:

Recently I was walking and passed by fans exiting a Lamb of God show: dozens of young men with Affliction t-shirts and no necks. I shuddered and thought, “Man, I’m glad I wasn’t there.” Which is unfortunate, as I actually like Lamb of God. Then I shuddered at another thought. As a fellow fan, am I really like them? Am I somehow at heart a neck-less, Affliction-wearing young man?

As my headline states, I don’t really feel qualified to weigh-in on this particular issue. Yes, I hate most of my fellow metal fans (at least on a superficial level), but I also hate 99.9% of everyone I encounter or even just walk past on the street, and most of the time I hate myself a little bit (sometimes a lotta bit), so I obviously have deeper issues than just “Fuck dudes in Affliction shirts.”

I am curious to hear what all of you think, though. If you go to see your favorite band and find yourself surrounded by a whole lotta douche chills, does that turn you off from the band? Fill you with doubt and self-loathing? Or is it just a sign of metal’s increasing popularity outside of the fringes of popular music?

Read the rest of Cosmo’s piece here, then come back and share your thoughts.

-AR

Tags: Affliction, Lamb of God,

http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Gavin/1396340262 Mark Gavin

I saw Lamb of God in May and for the most part, everyone was pretty “metal”. Typical jeans and band shirt stuff. There was one of those affliction douchebags though wearing a Disturbed shirt, and Tony Foresta called him out on it.

Dlabs

was that in the boston show cuz i was there

http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Gavin/1396340262 Mark Gavin

Yeah, that was it. Great show!

Dlabs

fuck yeah it was

johnnywhoopass

alot of times i go to shows and realize that the bands fans are douche balls, and it dosent really turn me off from the band just makes me not want to go to see them again and shit next to douche nozzles and or have to deal with lame ass hardcore kids who mosh like there having a fuckin seizure or something and refuse to actually do it properly the general rule is if what your doing in the pit looks like your doing handicapped gymnastics, you need to fuck right off! but i agree with going to shows and seeing alot of people wearing like tapout and fight gear but i think thats also cause some metal and mma go together people just kinda share interests but to be honest id rather see people wearing affliction than people wearing the shirts of the band they came to see, is it just me or is wearing the shirt you just bought from the merch table kinda lame? so no matter what im gunna make fun of you for either wearing affliction or the merch shirt so its a loose loose.

Uglymicrowave

Id rather see dudes in merch tables shirts, and kids in afflication and tapoout wear…then kids wearing there sisters jeans and bright colored shoes…and there hair fucked up from a bozzsaw
FreedomThirtyFive

Yeah cos holding your newly bought T-shirt in your hand the whole gig is way cooler!

oblivion

ill be going to mayem fest next tuesday and i can safely say that im prepared for the worse.
by that i mean lil scene kids running around throwing karate moves in the job for a cowboy pit
and all the semi attractive to NOT so attractive goth girls for manson and all the other people there to see trivium and bullet for my valentine.
why must i suffer as such?
cause as they say
GOD HATES US ALL

King Cheezit

I’m in the same boat man, except I’m seeing it in Camden (ranked worst place to live in the USA!). I was also told by a buddy of mine (who is going to said Mayhem Fest also) that The Chariot was a great metal band?!?! Are you kidding me???Then when I started asking him how much he hates ‘Attack! Attack!’ he told me he loves their song Stick-Stickly. STICK FUCKING STICKLY is the least metal sounding metal title I’ve ever heard, let alone all of this crabcore bullshit!

CALLING ALL METALHEADS, UNITE AGAINST CRABCORE!!!

oblivion

camden new jersy?
cause if thats the case then yaaaa u may live in a worse place then i do, a mass subburb.
thoooo! you do have kevin smith !
jwean

Camden is terrible. I saw the NIN/JA tour there at the Susquehanna Bank Center and I walked the streets to find somewhere to eat…I was terrified for my life literally.

Biff Tannen

Thats what you get for going to such a gay ass tour. What on earth would make you want to go to that?

King Cheezit

The fact that it’ll piss you off.
vecima

now biff, that’s just the loser in you lashing out.

I’m also going to the Camden Mayhemfest. see you there – i’ll be the long haired guy in the tool shirt.

I’m not a huge Manson fan, but the guy puts on a pretty good live show.

also,

SLAAAAAYYYYYYEEEEEEERRRRRRRR

jesse

Mayhem was pretty good. I went to the show in Kansas City and was overall pretty pleased with my ticket purchase. Most of the bands that you’d think would be good were in fact, not too bad. Whitechapel put on a good show (if you’re into that,) JFAC played really well and had a great stage show, Behemoth was intense as fuck but I’ve been on a black metal kick now for a few months so I don’t really know what the fuck is good anymore. Slayer is legendary, so they kicked ass after the first four songs went down the toilet thanks to the sound crew. Manson’s gig is so played out it’s sad. He used to be able to almost sing… now he can’t even almost do anything except whine on stage and milk those dollars from the same crowd that made him popular in the first place even if he is completely shitty.

Z

I went to the Thrash And Burn tour recently (for Veil of Maya) and decided to stay through to DevilDriver… okay, does Emmure purposely have it so all their fans are gigantic fight-starting douches? Their music was awful and the fans were worse. I got hit in the nuts while SITTING IN A CHAIR TO THE SIDE OF THE STAGE. Christ.

http://www.myspace.com/ihopeyourot Dave

That’s grounds for a fucking execution right there, fuck that gig, kill that hardcore dancing piece of garbage.

Anthony

I try to not care so much. I’m a huge Slipknot fan, and most of their hardcore fanbase are depressed kids with no future (I may not necessarily have a future after university, but i’m definitely not a depressed kid).

Johnny Death

Just a guess, but are you Canadian?

CarlosRamirez

I find myself starting to hate a band because of their fans. I know it’s ridiculous but I am guilty of it.

Here are some bands where I dig the music but hate the kids:

Slipknot
Madball (and any other NYHC tough guy band)
Municipal Waste

Jo

awww but municipal waste live is so much fun

Bob

maybe, everyone is thinking that exact damn thing “these guys are all fuckn tools” , and being the center of the world douche wipes you (we ) are, you think “oh I’m not like those guys”,
Guess what , you are! the mere fact you entertain that you are anything different than some guy in a name brand t-shirt kinda seals it . While you’re walking around thinking ” hey at least I’m not some muscle bound guy in an affliction shirt that gets to bang all those hot chicks that ignore me” affliction guys is going around thinking” Fuck , thank allah Im not some douchy pseudo-intellect that never gets laid and couldn’t bench press a wet paper bag!” , I know it silly to think that he knows big word like intellect but the point is everyone is a fuckin douche , with the exception of you/me.Although I’m willing to bet that everyone else would disagree .
* …..and star swipe …….and I’m out*

CarlosRamirez

Interesting point but I disagree.
tom

Yeh all the fucking time, i don’t think i ever stop liking a band or myself for it though. I do however feel the need to make it clear to others that even though i’m a fan im not like the other douches.

On a side note, i feel pretty lucky coming from the UK in that we don’t really get very many of those “gym dudes”, in my experience anyway, there are some emo’s and scene kids and some people you just wouldn’t attribute to being into metal, tell me if i’m wrong, but that’s been my experience. I really do hate those people that like to attribute themselves with extreme music to be different, that just makes me want to burn them over a slowly rotating spit.
A Real Doctor

I agree 100%

http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Cefaratti/542463984 Chris Cefaratti

I love Tool but most (keyword MOST) of their fans are trashy retarded mother fuckers.

Subcon

Hmm your comment sounds weirdly familiar…

“The vast majority of the e-mails about Tool had the same general gist. “I love Tool, but I hate Tool fans!” Apparently, not only are there hordes of self-righteous Tool fans who think that only people who understand Tool’s many facets are worthy of Tool fandom, but there are also a huge number of Tool fans who totally don’t get Tool and make all the other Tool fans look bad. Well, this is interesting, because I’ve only ever met the self-righteous kind…

…There’s only one kind of Tool fan. The Tool fan who thinks that being a Tool fan lets them into some big secret that nobody else gets. They think that only a select few posses the secret Tool decoder ring. They’d love to believe that all the halfwits who listen to Tool actually don’t get it, but really they’re all listening to them for the same reason.

The fact of the matter is, any moron can understand Tool, but the hidden appeal of Tool lies in the fact that they give the illusion of being a band for smart people. They do this, as any Tool fan knows, by throwing in jumbled references to high school psychology, obscure religious references, and miscellaneous meaningless nonsense. Bullshit or not, as long as there’s something there to figure out or interpret, it’s going to make some stoned dropout feel smart.”

– Dr. David Thorpe, Your Band Sucks
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/your-band-sucks/tool-worst-songs.php

PS: not a personal attack on you Chris, just a funny observation. I like Tool as well, but the Doctor speaks truth.

Dying Season

Tool isn’t very good at all, I remember when 10,000 days came out and the reviews were calling it ” epic progressive metal.
There is nothing Epic, progressive or metal about Tool, People get all wrapped up in their sound like it’s something special but these are also the vast majority of idiots who listen to mainstream radio and think Korn is also amazing.

http://smartassradio.com DJ

For the most part, I haven’t noticed anything too awful, but at the LOG show in May at Roseland, I was actually choked and dragged out of the pit by one of those neckless retards. To be fair, he was a million time worse than anyone wearing Affliction clothing. He was attempting to rock a wife beater and some kind of BMX/Motocross gloves. He was also sporting a shaved head and stood all of about 5’6″ – it must have been a challenge to reach all the way up and grab me like that (I’m 6’4″).

Anyway, I can’t imagine there are too many dudes walking around like that. If guys wearing dumb shirts are the worst thing at a show, then I’m totally fine with it. That being the case, I’m also with johnnywhoopass – wearing your fresh-from-the-merch table shirt is in a way lamer than affliction and the pit ninjas are just out of control at some shows.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Gavin/1396340262 Mark Gavin

I’d rather wear the merchbooth shirt than hold it all night

jason

that’s what girlfriends are for.
King Cheezit

Agreed. Just paid $25 for the shit!

Jo

the only time i wear shirt from the merchbooth after i bought is when your at that point in the show/festival when the beers your were drinking start to be sweated out….time to put on that clean fresh smelling shirt.

satansspit

i always just hook mine over my belt. problem fucking solved.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Campagna/40702766 Tom Campagna

when i saw metallica i knew i was in the vast minority of a “real” metal fan. I saw The Sword and Machine Head open in Newark NJ. I went with my Death shirt on and i saw way too many casual fans of metallica’s i mean people didn’t even know the source material that night when they played Die, Die, My Darling. The same thing happened to me at 2 Opeth shows i don’t like having to share the experience with fat goth chicks in cliche’ Jack Skelington hoodies, hats, etc. I will say that one of the best all around crowds was that BB Kings show with the Faceless and Atheist. All in all lots of these fans are pretty atrocious. once in a blue moon you might actually find some cool guys/girls who know their shit but so called “bros” and “stupid ass metal chicks” run amock at these types of events

tom

i had exactly the same experience at their show at the o2 in london, possibly the most boring crowd ever, people where staring at me when i was singing along to and justice for all (which was awsome btw, and a massive surprise!)

http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Campagna/40702766 Tom Campagna

i wish they played that they did however play Harvester of Sorrow

Slappy

Thing is though, don’t you expect to be in the minority at a Metallica show? They’ve been a “hard rock pop band” since the Black Album.
Ziltoid

The crowd at BB Kings for Atheist/The Faceless was pretty bad if you ask me. I’ve seen much better.

GuuGuu

i was asking for it but at a Deftones show i had an Omega man moment when the band covered “Subliminal” and i was the only person moving. no i’m serious. the ONLY person of 2200.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Campagna/40702766 Tom Campagna

well i did have a pretty good convo there with a dude. i think the single coolest metal dude i met was when i saw maiden at PNC last june. but i was in the back of that Atheist show with a candlemass t. i saw some very funny fist pumping and a dude yelling at his girlfriend tho.

Ziltoid

It must have been funny watching that awful pit. I was near the front, but I had my back turned during the Psyopus set (they were the worst band ever), and that crowd/pit was lulz-worthy. It was awful for every other set as well, and only a bit less so for Atheist.

CarlosRamirez

So the consensus is that we ALL hate Affliction shirts. Good.

sYgnal

Only if its NOT a Fedor Emelianenko shirt cuz he’s fucking brootul! Seriously, those Affliction band shirts suck major balls, are usually for the trendy douches that just figured out what MMA is, who Pantera are & don’t understand that it’s 100% better to support Gorod by buying their t-shirt then supporting these greedy fucks who sell their shirts for like $60 bucks and have already made their millions!!

I don’t judge the merch shirt wearing dudes because at least they are supporting their favorite band & if they are at the same show as me then they must be somewhat okay…

Bob

and why would anyone assume that if you like a band everyone who likes them must be cool as you?
iamasteroid

When I saw Mastodon back in May, there was a good variety of people at the show, but the one thing that pissed me off so much was all of the fucking Williamsburg douchebag hipsters that were there just because “Mastodon is sooooooo cool right now.” It’s bullshit.

Just because I hate hipsters doesn’t mean I’m going to start hating Mastodon just because a bunch of them went to the same show.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Campagna/40702766 Tom Campagna

i was there too, great show but there certainly were beardos aplenty. and i couldn’t grow 1 to save my life

http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Joseph-Bailey/656942432 Adam Joseph Bailey

My Summer Slaughter experience was severely damaged when i wanted to check out Born of Osiris and After the Burial. They make some really good stuff when they aren’t breaking it down. The scene kids ruined it for me by doing all that invisible ninja fighting bullshit. Hopefully these bands progress and leave the breakdown aspect so that the scene kids can move on to whatever else is cool.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Gavin/1396340262 Mark Gavin

the best way to get rid of a screamo-kicks kid is to flat-out mock them by flailing around aimlessly right next to them, or disco dancing in the pit so they get pissed off and leave

metalguy

FUCKING WALL OF DEATH AROUND THE SCENE KIDS

Jamie

hell yeah! someone knows what they’re talking about. damn, I haven’t seen a wall of death in ages…

http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Joseph-Bailey/656942432 Adam Joseph Bailey

Thats exactly what i did metalguy i just crabcored it up. All i did was act like a crab i even used my hands as claws.

Richard

Where I like the music, but not the fans:
Whitechapel
Despised Icon
Turisas
The Faceless
DragonForce
Have Heart
Eluveitie

Your standard tough guy gym shorts kids at Whitechapel, Despised Icon, The Faceless, and Have Heart. I understand that some of those bands have gym shorts for their band that you can purchase. Doesn’t negate the fact that those kids suck.

Dork kids that get in your face about being a nerd, as well as dress up to go to see Turisas, DragonForce, and Eluveitie. What’s even worse about DragonForce fans is that there are just WAY too many people seeing them live solely because they heard them on Guitar Hero.
Bob

why are metal heads so intolerant of people that don’t submerge themselves in the “culture” ?
why do you have to be a “metal head” to enjoy a band? its as bad as the frat brats in there matching douche-wear. it’s fucked metal heads think they are so different and profound but its still some boys club where everyone looks like they called each other before they left the house to synch up outfits!
your all fuckin gay elitist asswipes!!! and you are worse than the frat brats because you claim to know better but you clearly don’t.
love, Bob ,longtime metal head tired of the “scene”

Bill

game.
set.
match.
WIN

agreed
SP420

Um, no, I don’t call up my friend that I’m going to a concert with to see what shirt he’s wearing. I wear a fucking metal band t-shirt because I’m going to a metal show. Period. As for the other “douche-wear” people, they wear that shit because that’s all they have and they are only there because they heard of the band mentioned touring in the area 2 weeks ago on the local radio station.

While I appreciate your effort to level the playing field, you shouldn’t give too much credence to those in the typical said “douche-wear”. You are EASILY going to sort out those fuckers by mannerisms, looks, etc. right away and don’t you even fucking doubt me for a second that you won’t. You will, because you’re wearing a t-shirt with a “metal” band as well.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Livingston/25310975 Robert Livingston

I’d like to say I can take the higher ground and say “I don’t judge based on appearance”, but unfortunately, that’s a big fat fucking lie. I’d say I hate most of the people I see at metal shows. Quite frankly, I’d prefer Affliction-wearing dudes over:

1. Jay and Silent Bob-wannabes (a.k.a. over-the-top potheads)
2. Skinny emo kids in skin tight jeans complete with camel toe and white belt
3. (Drunk) White trash

chase

whoa dude whats wrong with smoking weed at a concert. Ive been a metalhead my whole life a i gurantee you this, when that badass song from that one band comes on, i’m gonna light up no matter what. WEED and METAL ONE POWERFUL FORCE

http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Livingston/25310975 Robert Livingston

Oh, and I should mention, I don’t typically judge a band based on their fans… except for #2 listed above perhaps. If the band can make up for it with their music, I will probably buy an album, but skip the show.
http://myspace.com/pandas Greg

Most of the assholes described above wouldn’t bother going to a DIY show, so those are always good places to go. Up-and-coming bands, no venue bullshit, and you never have to deal with some meathead redneck or college-age thrasher throwback throwing their fists around every time a band hits a low E.
Bill

I find metal fans of any sub-genre much more bearable than rap fans.
I do however dislike the “more metal than you” douchetards that you see at a show. The shitty and way too many tattoos and piercings, bought my vintage metal shirt for $50 online and claim i’ve had it since way back, hates anything on a major label, won’t stop singing along whilst getting the lyrics wrong, judges every guitar player subpar yet cannot play guitar themself, would totally rape the passed out girl in the bathroom if nobody was watching, punches people in the back of the head in the pit then tries to look innocent, walks through the parking lot after a show with his wallet chain dragging down the side of everyone’s car, claims to have met someone is every band and says they’re jerkoffs type mother fuckers you run into.
i’m a big fan of paddy punk and traditional irish style music (i’m irish, you have to be or they take away your irish card), so i’m a huge fan of the pogues. the last show of theirs i went to was at the electric factory in philly. i was pretty much stunned by the amount of drunken douchebag fratboys in the audience. kids that either weren’t even alive or were still shitting their diapers when the pogues were at the height (?) of their popularity. kids that fuck up all the lyrics and stagger about bumping into you, spilling their beer on you and say “sorry, my bad yo”. kids that drove their bmw or lexus or escalade to the show that mommy and daddy bought them and act superior to the older fans in the audience because we’re not wearing some stupidly expensive get-up. kids that wear a guinness t-shirt, but have never actually drank one. that was a sad day for me to say the least. i don’t think i could ever go to another pogues show after that debacle.

Damotello

That’s a shame man, I saw The Pogues here in Dublin for Christmas a couple of years back and it was one of the best/funniest gigs I’ve ever been to. Litreally everyone, including myself, was fucking shitfaced, more so then any metal gig I’ve been to. I saw them again last year at a festival and again it was great. If you’re in Ireland around Christmas time I’d definitely recommend giving them another chance. They always play here then.

Bill

I think if I were ever to see them live again, it would be in Ireland. My uncle lives in Shannon, but I’ve never been there. Ireland is #1 on my places to visit.

Bill

As far as their show went, it was great. Shan had messed his leg up and was in a wheelchair, but he was drunk when he took the stage and was hammered by the end of the show. He and Spider split the singing about 50-50, but it was still great to see Shane touring with them again.

Gallo

I kinda feel the same about Cradle of Filth…

though I think (most of) their music rules you get to see so many emo sodomizers at thier live shows and DVD`s, that you fell gratitude about not being there.

I think Cradle of Fillth is a band that looks retrospectevely EMO nowadays. When they started there were not so many emo posers out there, but now its seems that their music and imagery fits OK to that trend.
http://www.myspace.com/1033metal Jackson

so if I got to the gym and wear gym shorts am I one of those guys??

oblivion

no its more like if u wear gym shorts in public and ur NO WHERE near a gym at 10 at night at a show throwin bows and shit like that

http://www.myspace.com/1033metal Jackson

well I just wear them all the time cause my balls sweat less at work and home where there’s no air conditioning

oblivion

excelent retort sir

http://www.myspace.com/1033metal Jackson

ball sweat is a serious issue, who knows maybe all these “bros” just have sweaty balls
oblivion

bros dont sweat the just produce more grease and hair product

Motoghost

I don’t really care about the clothes they wear, but the attitude they give off. I like a couple songs by Slipknot and thats about it, but their fans are the some of the worst people I’ve ever had to put up with. HxC fans are really annoying, I remember when I still drank and got cussed out by some hardcore kid because I wasn’t straight-edge. I also hate the ignorance of many music fans, they just like bands from one genre and that’s the best ever and nothing is will challenge it. Just be open to other opinions, don’t fight the air, and don’t act like a douche and you’ll be okay with me.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Campagna/40702766 Tom Campagna

i can’t stand people who listen to one genre or one band for that matter. its great to like a band but there is way too much stuff out there to only focus on one band is pretty foolish. like how a girl i no is all about slipknot, korn, and spineshank yet has the nerve to tell me that metallica is too generic. uhh riight

Biff Tannen

All 3 of the bands your girly friend likes are horrid,horrid,trash. She is right about one thing though……… Metallica has always been generic, with two exceptions : The “Kill ‘Em All” album (because Dave Mustaine wrote it) and the song “Creeping Death”. Metallica have been followers since Master of Puppets. They were really never original once Mustaine left, and have been happy flopping around knee deep in whatever trend is popular at any given time. After “Ride the Lightening”, they played it safe and made thrash/speed metal “safe” and radio friendly. It became easy listening. They are poseurs through and through.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Campagna/40702766 Tom Campagna

o i wasn’t advocating those 3 i can assure you of that. i tend to find that i love the rest of the big four of thrash much more than metallica. i can see your point there i do give them credit for being a gateway metal band for me but other than that i’m much happier listening to something else
Carlos

i don’t know how you can call Metallica poseurs and look your self in the mirror without throwing up

http://myspace.com/whitearmsofathena Josh

I THINK “WAKING THE FALLEN” BY AVENGED SEVENFOLD WAS A GOOD CD

Canvas Of Flesh

Honestly, as un-metal as I might sound, that’s my favorite Avenged Sevenfold album too.

moose_knuckle

Im in the uk so the worst that we get are the lame emo/scene kids with their fringes and sisters pants. You pretty much see them at any metal gig nowadays so ive kinds gotten used to it. Its still good for a laugh most of the time though.
Drew

I saw Lamb of God recently, there was a douche in an AFFLICTION t-shirt who pushed his girlfriend into us and made her spill her beer all over me and my friends… it gets worse… later he decides he wants some fucking nachos. WHO EATS NACHOS AT A LAMB OF GOD SHOW!? Anyway, he manages to get nacho cheese all over my friend’s back. Needless to say he left before Lamb of God even came on. Lamb of God is one of my favorite bands, but i think that ANY band you go see is gonna have some real douchebags in the crowd, i try not to let them ruin it for me…

Agmkreptile

the perfect time for nachos…is all the time.

http://www.myspace.com/1033metal Jackson

but weekend nachos are the best

A Real Doctor

Nachos at a funeral are better.

Canvas Of Flesh

I don’t know. I don’t go to a whole lot of shows as they’re typically held at a venue that’s in the neighborhood that was voted “the #1 most dangerous neighborhood in America”. So, it kind of sucks that I can’t really attend a lot of concerts and actually experience fellow metalheads. Judging from the shows that I have been to, though, I would have to say I haven’t had any problems aside from a few moronic Unearth fans. Although, I must say, I went to an Alkaline Trio show and those were some of the shittiest fans I’ve ever seen.
Karate_Poon

Love Winds of Plague…hate their other fans. WIGGER SLAM….
razorsharp codpiece

I’d probably think that 75% of the people who posted in this thread dress like retards.
SourDeez

I don’t give two shits about who else likes a band. I hate it when people judge a band based on who their fans are. A lot of trendy people say they’re into Mastodon, that doesn’t make hipsters out of the fans who bought Remission when it first came out.
Aaron

I hate going to see bands such as Winds Of Plague and Suicide Silence and having to deal with the majorly hardcore-raping listening guys. Everyone whose been to a WoP or SS show knows what I’m talkin’ about , the dudes that act all badass wearing gym shorts and usually a tank top with their baseball hat turned to the side, moshin’ like they’re trying out for a Kung-fu movie. Maybe it’s just where I live, but it seems to me when I got to these shows there’s alot of them. I love both bands, but to sit through these drunk idiots makes seeing them almost unbearable and don’t get me started on Emmure and their fans because they’re both two groups that should be skinned alive for bring such stupid violence to shows. I come to see and enjoy the band, and maybe even sing along, but not to get punched, kicked or beaten in anyway.
Walker

Out of curiosity, any of you metal heads here also into the jam band scene at all? I know Im in the extreme minority on this (wouldnt be surprised if I am the only one) Thanks to some friends of mine, I wound up going to a slew of Phish shows, The Dead, Bonnaroo, and so forth. Talk about a group of people I can not fucking stand! Smelly hippies, selling socks in the parking lot and everyone being fucked up on some form of heroin. I dig the music, metal will always be my number one genre, but I can not stand these hippie fuckwads that spend their lives living the highways of America following a few bands around to support their drug habits.

RobotScythe

I LOVE Govt. Mule. But that has been the worst crowd I’ve ever been around. The closest I ever came to getting into a fight at a show was at a Mule concert. The stereotype is that hippies are laid-back and cool. Nope..some of the rudest, pushiest, most selfish people I’ve ever encountered at a show. Metalheads typically get painted as the maladjusted assholes, but nothing holds a candle to hippie jerk-offs. Especially the aging hippies..they’re just bitter now.

Walker

I totally agree with you and these people are also the worst kind of music snobs too, and so many them preach community and brotherhood but will step on your back to get another hit off the pipe.

http://www.myspace.com/johnnysrideishere emetal

ive been a fan of suicide silence from the start. so far back, that i have their first fucking tshirt ever sold online. i went to their show the other week, and it was full of a bunch of NEWJACKS wearing that stupid fucking “Pull the trigger bitch” on the back….. all wearing…. skinnies… god damnit… I BUY MY PANTS AT MARKSWORK WEARHOUSE YOU TRENDY SCENEAGERS god damnit
likmybaseballz

Maybe some bands should stop fucking selling out and getting lighter and lighter as they put out each album and attrcat more of a mainstream fan basis we wont have to worry about this whole affliction and hardcore emo kid and whatever else have ya kinda of problem. I feel it doesnt matter what fans wear and all that stuff, but as bands get popular, ive noticed that they attract more casual fans (someone on hear mentioned that and Im too lazy to find your name so props to you) and you get all types of people listening to it. Lets push the deuche bags and all them aside. Why hasnt anyone pointed out the kids wearing preppy clothes and beach blonde hair, ad the kids who wear shirts longer than them that appear at some shows. You may not notice them, but theyre there. What im trying to say is youre gonna get a vast amount of people at shows. As bands get more popular and appeal to poeple but become lighter and watering down their lyrics then this will always be an issue.

Name Not Applicable

If you don’t notice them whats the issue?

http://www.myspace.com/jay234t Brutal Jay

When I went to see The Human Abstract with Oh, Sleeper, IWRESTLEDABEARONCE, Vanna, and To Speak Of Wolves the majority of the crowd was those “hXc” kids. And, I hate these people with all my heart but, that didn’t stop me from enjoying the show. Most IWRESTLEDABEARONCE fans are Hot Topic kids but that doesn’t stop me from loving what they do. Besides, I hung out with pretty much all the bands on the tour… Found out that the one guy from To Speak Of Wolves designed my Chimaira shirt. Pretty cool people.
Anthony

Now that I think of it, you get douchebags of all sorts at any show. I’ve had to deal with hardcore dancers at Korn shows.

jason

Well…I hate to say it, but serves you right for being in attendance at such a thing.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Campagna/40702766 Tom Campagna

indeed

RobotScythe

Everytime I read most of the comments on this site it makes me hate fellow metal fans. Biggest bunch of whining, impossible to please, too cool for school cunts I’ve ever seen. :-)

Tommy Lindbergsen

I whine a lot because of girl pants wearing homo’s like you.
Go listen to your KSE album and shut the fuck up.
Thanks.

RobotScythe

See? Lol!

A Real Doctor

Hahaha! RobotScythe: Nobody could have said it better :)

Tommy Lindbergsen

If everyone would stop treating Deathcore or any other core band for that matter as a member of the metal community then the world would be a better place.

Nick

You know those aforementioned cockbags at concerts? I have a feeling you’re one of them.

thebenthic

id much rather deal with the kids who do spin kicks and all that rather than the guys who roll around in crews who try to control the whole show who just walk around with their shirt off. fuck crews, they think they can hit anyone in there and crowd bash and what not, but god forbid they get touched, and if you do touch them, you get simultaniously jumped! fuck that shit, ill deal with skinny ass kids doing round house kicks, crews, fuck that shit.

concerning the wearing shirts right after you buy them, why dont you a) buy first then go put in your car, or b) just wait till after the show to buy merch?

http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Gavin/1396340262 Mark Gavin

the point is, why does it matter?
ell

Because a) we might not have a car and b) all the good shit is gone by the end of the show and you end up having to buy shitty stuff that’s about four times too big.

Although that’s an occupational hazard for girls in metal anyway.

Plus, if I pay forty fucking AUD for a shirt, I don’t want it lost just because people might think I’m an idiot for wearing it. I just put it on and have a good fucking time knowing my shit is safe.

LilalCFH

I think my biggest problem is actually liking music less because of the way THE BAND looks…

Same concept, I guess, and equally close-minded and stupid. But I can’t help it. The sad thing is, most of the time it turns out to be true. 9 times out of 10, I can look at a picture of a band(or the name) and know if I’m going to like the band…

For example: The first time I heard the names AUGUST BURNS RED & ARSONISTS GET ALL THE GIRLS, I knew I wouldn’t like the music. Sure enough, I fuckin hated it. When I watched that video of ATTACK! ATTACK!’s singer on this page, I had never heard of them. But I took one look at that kid and knew I’d hate the music.

I guess my point is that it’s very rare that a style of music doesn’t go without a “look”. And sometimes that simply ruins the surprise.
LilalCFH

On another note, per my experience…

I got jumped by 5 straight-edge kids at the New England Metal & Hardcore Festival 3 years ago…

Some kid came up to me and asked to bum a cigarette, I graciously gave him one. In return, he broke it in half and threw it in my face, calling me a “slave”. I popped him in the nose and preceded to get beat down by 5 dudes.

I flew from Los Angeles to see that show, instead I spent a week in the hospital.

I don’t care about what you wear or what you believe, just keep it to yourself. Heavy music’s supposed to be about freedom of expression and independence, not fascism and trend-setting.

I don’t go around punching people for not wearing Meshuggah shirts.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Joseph-Bailey/656942432 Adam Joseph Bailey

Thats why i could never call myself straight edge. I have never and will never drink, smoke, or do drugs. But i could care less what other people do. I have been surrounded by all that stuff my whole. I go to bars and i have been around my friends when they smoke weed i just dont do any of it. Why these people think they can beat someone up for wanting to unwind a bit is beyond me.

http://uponwingsofblack.blogspot.com/ \m/Eluveitie\m/

but I also hate 99.9% of everyone I encounter or even just walk past on the street, and most of the time I hate myself a little bit (sometimes a lotta bit), so I obviously have deeper issues than just “Fuck dudes in Affliction shirts.”

I feel the same way…trying to work on that. I think the biggest problem is that people are so fucking stupid as a group. Like Tommy Lee Jones said “A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.”

Gossamer Axe

Amen to that.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Harrington-Neil-Sauer/677600672 Harrington Neil Sauer

i pretty much started off metal on the right foot with bands like kataklysm, corpse, behemoth etc. and i had never really heard tool before but i saw a bunch of tools wearing tool shirts so i just thought they were like a shitty icp band. but turns out i was wrong, i dig some of their tunes, and most of your real metal guys also like them but that’s like 5% of the people in tool shirts. it’s a damn shame i didn’t get into tool at a younger age simply because kids who would also wear icp shirts would wear tool shirts.
Business Casual

A) My guess is that in the world of metal, few people (if any) actually buy a band’s first album when it comes out unless they are either composed of members of other already popular (relative term) bands or are heavily promoted by a label (i.e. they either are touring behemoths who deserve it and just didn’t record for awhile or they’re metalcore).

B) Why do so many people associate “muscular” with “retard / can’t-actually-know-what-they’re-talking-about / poseur / violent”? What if you need to be muscular for excellence in a certain profession (law enforcement, military, athlete, fire fighter, etc)? Just because you work at Kinkos and I am (potentially) one of the above doesn’t mean I “don’t get it,” “want to fight you for sure,” or that I “only listen to Korn, Slipknot, LoG, Disturbed or any of the other stereotypically-associated-with-jocks-and-frat-guys bands.” Take a look at the truer-than-you Glenn Danzig / Doyle (especially) / Jerry Only lineup circa 1981 and get back to me. Respect for your own body shouldn’t be a disqualifier for taste.

C) If you really think about it, we’re all trying to say something with the band / brand we’re repping. Listen to Carcass’ “Polarized” and realize that truly it doesn’t matter. I’m always amazed that in a genre that abhors dependence and sheep-like following, there is nothing more homogenous than the look of a metal crowd. I have a true metalhead friend that wears (no joke) N’Sync and-the-like shirts to concerts because it is even more of an “F-YOU!” than any Anal Blast shirt could be. His library of metal is wide and deep, but he (correctly) is toying with you and doesn’t care what you think, ironically making him much more “metal” than any of your vintage Darkthrone shirts.

D) Darkthrone shirts are always a good choice., though.
http://www.kingdomofnoise.blogspot.com MetalMatt

any show that I go to that has an attendance of more than say 12 people is bound to have a fair amount of douchebags. Fuck em all.
Shinaain

I’m pretty much with Axl on this one.

I will venture further only to say that when the “metal community” we all like to idealize comes out in full-force to a show and represents for real, I’m happy. Mostly, though, I know better than to expect it. People piss me off and I spend the majority of my time at shows trying to ignore everyone else there. There are few blogs, websites, or forums I post to, for that same reason. Some days, when you guys are all losing your minds over something stupid on here, I wonder why I bother…

The only time I avoid shows because I don’t want to deal with other fans is when it’s a huge show and I’m likely to interact more with the crowd than feel any kind of connection with the artist. And for that reason, I don’t do “event” shows (i.e., arenas, etc) for the most part.

Tommy Lindbergsen

When you mentioned arenas, I was reminded of how much I hate that type of venue, when I went to see Iron Maiden a couple of months back. What should have been one of the best shows I have ever been to turned out to be lessened by the sheer number of people, not to mention the fact that the seats were tiny and we were so far back that you could barely make out the stage.
The Hard Rock or House of blues is about as big of a venue as I can stand.

Shinaain

Exactly. *nods in agreement* And even for a venue that size, it had better be a band that I both love and LOT and wouldn’t get to see otherwise.

Gecko

This is why I don’t go to as many metal shows as I used to, and when I go to the big festivals, I stay way out of the pit. I have no patience for this shit anymore. All these stupid kung-fu wannabe scene kids are retarded. They’re asking to be on the ass end of an ass-kicking from some no neck, ‘roided out, Affliction wearing mongoloid. And conversely, the baddest of the bad Affliction jock thinking he owns the place is no doubt gonna get what he has coming to him sooner or later, and get fucked up by someone even bigger than him (and for whoever’s going to the Camden show, probably shot). But for all of it, I love metal, and I’m not going to sit and not listen to a band I like because their fans are idiots, and I’m not going to judge fans based on their clothes. I don’t give a shit what someone is wearing, what they’re listening to, whatever. If they’re cool, they’re cool, and if they’re an idiot, they’re an idiot…and if I’ve learned anything through my various travels, it’s that the idiots always have what’s coming to them…
Gossamer Axe

I go to shows regularly where I live, I don’t have a problem with people, just the drunk-ass ones that don’t pay any attention to what they’re doing. I’m probably 10-20 years older than most of the readers on here, and being a woman, I don’t really want to get the shit beat out of me at a show. I stay towards the back, with all the other wussies, but most shows, one idiot thinks the entire place is his mosh pit. If I was bigger, I might kick their ass, but alas, I’d like to live to see tomorrow :-)

I see 99% of concert atendees as kids, (they mostly are), and most of them are pretty nice, I ignore the ones with attitudes, and I only chuckle at the sluts that show up at a metal show with their b/f and have no clue of the bands they’re watching. As far as tshirts, I usually watch the bands, not the concert attendees.

As far as tshirts bought at the show, being a woman, I usually bring a purse/bag with me, so I can stuff the merchandise in there so I don’t have to hold it. I thought “affliction” was when a person was sick, “He has an “affliction” ;-)
ERiK

I always try to wear the t shirt of the band I came to support if I own it. I can’t think of a more appropriate time. I’m sure the elitists standing in the back talking shit about people don’t approve, but who cares about the opinions of nerds

Pantera inspired legions of shit starters. Seems like every concert I went to became more and more of just a street brawl and not about the music one bit. Love the band, but their concerts became no fun.
pro_crip

Seriously, is this the whole point of the internet? Pointless whining about arcana? Turn off the computer now and get a life. Just consider yourself lucky to even be able to go to a show. Some of us can’t and miss it. Just enjoy the music for hate’s sake.

Shinaain

All venues that are in compliance with federal and local law have some degree of handicap access. While I don’t wish to pry into your reasons for that comment, I do wonder what besides lack of proximity would keep you from attending a show you wanted to see?

Tommy Lindbergsen

Mom and dad don’t give him a big enough allowance.

http://www.myspace.com/finalriot BigEvilMetalhead

It sucks when I discover a band I like, knowing that their fans our douchebags. Instead of being into a band THEN discovering their fans our douchebags… If that makes sense… Like Winds of Plague or Job For A Cowboy… I did their stuff.. but don’t want to be associated with the majority of their fanbase.. ha..

http://www.myspace.com/finalriot BigEvilMetalhead

dig* their stuff…

beardy

if you hate everyone at least you get a opportunity to be proven wrong, it’s nice to find out some people aren’t complete asshats, however fuck hxc kids bunch of fucking fascist assholes who try to act like they are on some divine mission to save mankind, that and christian hxc kids, save your opinions, for the internet jsut as useless here

Tommy Lindbergsen

Ok…no more booze for beardy.

Ja5oN

Could someone please tell me specifically what’s so bad with wearing “Affliction” shirts & being a metalhead? To me Affliction clothing are associated with fighting i.e; UFC & M-1 & Strikeforce. Since when did fighting become un-metal? Besides that their shirts are metal as fuck, just unreasonably expensive. The only thing I could think of is because it seems to be very trendy to wear Affliction clothes. I’d personally would like to see someone wearing an Affliction shirts/clothing over wearing really tight pants & ugly shoes & crappy shirts, but that’s just me.
http://www.myspace.com/437666934 Noel

I saw gojira at the rave in milwaukee and couldnt enjoy it cuz of the crowd. the rave is such a commercial place. the people here swarm to it cuz its the only venue bands will go to IF they even come here. anyway, it just wasnt an enjoyable environment……
bearwizard

fuckin goddam motherfuckin hip hop karate chop breakdance psuedo mosh pit motherfuckers
Brutalizer

I am not personally into the whole gay-ass fruity fashion trends, but if I like a band’s music, I could give a fuck less what they look like, I am listening to their music.
deathray76

Kids are the scene-killer.

ell

Kids are the future of the scene. We’re turning them into assholes instead of showing them good ways to be into metal.

Everyone was fourteen years old and in need of an outlet for emotion once. Give them a break.

Tommy Lindbergsen

Gee, when I was fourteen, I was listening to Slayer and Iron Maiden.
These crossover bands are giving metal a bad name, and the kids are making it worse by endorsing it.
While a lot of people tell me i’m being close minded when I tell them that the band they like so much SUCKS, i’ts only because I have been listening to the guys who did it first and did it better.
If the kids are really into metal then they need to be checking out the bands that started it, not the bands who are trying to spin it off in some other direction.

jtquake

i dont care about clothes or hair or anything you wear.

i just hate
-fat
-hairy
-sweaty
-smelly
-unclean
-douchey
-HARDCORE-KARATE-DANCING
TOOLBAGS.

jtquake

i mean
i dont care what you hair on your head is like… but if you have long dirty hair that you swing in people’s face… or if you take your shirt off to reveal your fat hairy body…

Jacob

Anyone who stops liking a band for any reason other than the bands sound (or ideas. I don’t care how good a band sounds, if it’s NSBM or other such shit I shut that crap off) is a FUCKING DOUCHEBAG. Bigger than an Affliction-douche. Bigger than a fucking Ed Hardy douche!

The Goat

I’m listening to Graveland right now!!!!

heeheee

Jamie

you know, it could be worse. Any day of the week, I’d take affliction wearing, roided up, jackasses and scene kids having seizures over ICP-loving fucktards running amuck.
nes

When I first heard Slayer was touring in Mayhem Fest, I was ecstatic. Then, I found out my friend’s scene kid friends wanted to go. That was reason enough to stop considering attending the show. My first and only concert was terrible. It was riddled with scene kids and losers. I was thrown into a mosh pit. Not pleasant for an unprepared 16 year old girl.
Also, ICP fans ARE the worst fans out there. I’m almost afraid to leave my house since there has been such a surge in people sporting ICP shirts, bookbags, tattoos, etc. in my neighborhood. They look so menacing…
Ghost

I go to concerts to enjoy the music, maybe have a bit of a mosh and have fun, but recently every concert i have been to recently has had the worry of some douche starting something and me ending up in the hospital stiiting in the back of my head. There are always going to be douchebags at concerts and they arent always associated with the scene-emo-karate-dance pose. Anyone could be a douche and there are more and more of em at concerts.
http://heavy-metal-gamer.blogspot.com Hairyman

Yeah, I have this issue. A lot of bands I like I end up seeing live only to be ass-raped by hardcore-dancing fucks. It doesn’t make me dislike the band but it certainly turns me away from seeing them live again, which is surely bad for the band right?
phatchief666

I’ve said this for many years. Love metal, hate metallers. I die a little bit inside everytime I see some of the total douche cunts who go to shows these days. And I fucking hate little kids covered from head to toes in tattoos. Congrats on never being able to work a proper job for the rest of your life when your flavour of the week deathcore band splits up. Seriously, we’re on the final dregs of this stuff… like the 6th generation nu-metal bands like… um… Kilgore. It will die a horrible death in the coming months, and suddenly these kids will look like total shitbags and I can get on with my life.

dlux

i second the tattoo comment. remember when it was “rebelious” to get a tattoo? now aunts, uncles, moms, dads have them. newsflash, it’s no longer the rebel thing to do. same thing with the millions of piercings and ear stretchings that could fit a dick. learn the phrases “would you like fries with that?” and “which stall needs the shit mopped up?” because that’s the career path you’re headed down… rant complete.

phatchief666

Despite of everything I’ve just said in my last comment, I do enjoy Job For A Cowboy, Suicide Silence and Bring Me The Horizon. I just hate all of their fans.
Timmay!

9 times out of 10, you hate at least someone in the crowd at a concert, and someone else in that same crowd hates you.
Malacoda

Hey Axl, remember summer slaughter? one fool was hardcore dancing, so a bunch of guys in jerseys, affliction shirts, and oceano shirts decided to join in and ruin both Darkest Hour’s and Ensiferum’s sets. Assholes.
chewbakker

When I saw Job For A Cowboy at Sounds of the Underground in 2007, all the stupid deathcore kids came out screaming and roundhouse kicking the air that I instantly hated the band and all Deathcore forever after that. I told everyone that JFAC sucked live even though they may not have but in my mind they did. I haven’t listened to their new album and even though I heard its not deathcore but i still don’t care. Deathcore is gay.
dlux

affliction and tapout are synonymous with douchebag and/or disturbed fan
http://www.last.fm/user/Demigod1 Tyler

I went to a Slipknot show in New Jersey a few months back, and while the band was great, the fans were unbearable. They’re pretty much the reason I don’t listen to Slipknot anymore, I like the music, but the people that listen to it are cunts, and I can’t listen to it [the music] or even admit in public that I like the band because of the fans.

Tommy Lindbergsen

Not to mention Slipknot sucks.
ell

Friends and I went to a Slipknot show when they were touring here with Machine Head. Behind our row (seating… what’s the point?) and a few seats over there were kids sitting listening to the opener, who we didn’t know but kind of sucked.

We asked them who it was and they said ‘Dunno, I guess Machine Head?’

It made me laugh, and then it made me sad.

Tommy Lindbergsen

Machine Head might be making decent albums now but does anyone remember how shitty the Burning Red was?
That album is laughable and on par with the horrid Digimortal from Fear Factory.
Slipknot is just fucking stupid, if they weren’t wearing masks they would have crashed and burned years ago. The end.

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