HAPPY BIRTHDAY DIMEBAG
Thursday, August 20th, 2009 at 11:00am by Axl RosenbergHe’d of been 43 years old today.
Here he is shredding back when he was my age.
-AR
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Great human being, didn’t deserve what happened to him. Too bad he was a sub-par guitarist in a crappy band.
Everyone,Dont feed the troll.
Agreed. Horribly overrated.
shocker
RE SPEK WOK
Enough said.
writing enough said doesn’t make your point any less stupid, man ziltoid, everyone has had enough of your bogus self righteous garbage,
Bogus? My self righteousness and narcissism are fully justified.
Say what you want about DImebag, the fact remains. An entire nation of redneck, hillbilly, hate mongering, slobbering in-breds absolutely loved Pantera. And it was one of their best and brightest hopes that ultimately murdered one of their own deities.
no one had hope in Nathan Gale. best and brightest dishonorable discharge plagiarist crazyface. his mom bought him the gun. bring her up on charges, too.
43 and probably in line for his second liver transplant. Great guitarist, but a walking argument for AA.
Happy Birthday Dime… Shots of Crown tonight for you
The greatest metal guitar player that ever lived. Hands down. I will fight anyone that doesn’t respect him for the legend that he is.
go ahead and punch NukeDukem in his face then. He has a drasticly differing opinion.
lol @ threatening to fight someone because they have a different opinion than you.
welcome to the internets
welcome to Pantera’s fanbase
Even if you hate Dimebag you have to respect him as being as influential as he was.
Your a fuckhead. You are the reason that ppl dislike Pantera and dimebag. Your fucking redneck. Dont get me wrong i think pantera first’s couple of albums were great( cowboys through to Far Beyond), but dime was only a small portion of making the sound. And also one other thing Zakk is a closet case who listens to abba and has to drink every night to surpress his homo-erotic desires. Peace Out Fuck head.
Here we go.
Fuck Dimebag. He was of no importance. If he was so great, he should have been worshiped when he was living. Stop searching for an excuse to do so now.
Well, he was… You know, stuff happened in the world before you were born in 2000 you fucking moron…
The only thing Dimebag accomplished was teaching the new generation of metal guitarists is that you don’t need to be an original riff writer, a good solo writer or be in a good band to become a metal legend.
So you’re saying a 9 year old is smarter than the lot of you? To shame, my friend.
He was of no importance TO YOU. He wasn’t worshipped BY YOU while he was alive. If the video doesn’t interest YOU, then why did YOU take to time to click on the little link below it. The common theme that seems to spark arguments in these threads is people stating opinions as if they are facts. I don’t know where you were during the 90s, but on this planet Dimebag was on the cover of a guitar magazine almost every month. Pantera had an album debut at #1 on the charts. I’m not saying this automagically makes them a great band, but it is about as close to worship as you are going to get. Stop being a dick.
There’s the pissy follow-up I’m looking for! I was getting worried people were starting to brush off shit on the internet and acting sensible for once.
And I am equally comforted by the reassurance you have afforded us all by continuing to represent all internet douchebagdom with your self-centered and undefendable initial comment. All is right with the World Wide Web.
Lol, ok. Stop goading yourself into thinking you had a noble cause. I baited the frame-trap and you fell ever so gracefully for it.
You just made up a new word that works perfectly in the context you used it in, “automagically”. Spelled right and everything!
Believe it or not, that was intentional. I didn’t invent it. It is used pretty commonly in the IT field.
But he’s not 43…he’s dead!
But seriously, he was an okay guitarist at best. I don’t get why he’s so damned popular now.
Do you not undertsand that he was extemely popular and highly respected by not just fans but a shit ton of other musicians before? Do you know any history about the guy and Pantera from before he died or before Pantera disbanded? For you to not think he was a great guitarist is one thing,thats your opinion but to imply that the guy has only become popular since he died is absurd.
I remember when Pantera was around. And Dimebag as well as the rest of Pantera’s shitty catalogue has become infinitely more popular since his death. Now you see all kinds of scene kid’s fellating him because he influenced their favorite -core bands.
Why are you getting so upset that people just so happen to think your favorite band sucks?
“He’d of” is a conjunction of “he WOULD have” (or in this case “of”). Happy would-be Birthday Dime!
I have honestly never listened to Pantera before, am I missing anything?
I would go as far as to say that Cowboys from Hell is one of the top metal albums ever. Check out “Domination”
Yes. Listen to Fucking Hostile and Mouth for War. if you are not impressed, then you just don’t like pantera.
you have to check out Regular People (Conceit), too. That is easily my favorite Pantera song. Primal Concrete Sledge and Rise are up there too.
Hell yeah to Regular People! VERY underrated Pantera song.
I CRUSH THE RUSH, I RULE YOU FOOL!
most regular people wood say, ITS HARD
shedding skin is definitely one of my favorite pantera songs. that riff is fucking epic
Use My Third Arm!
Slaughtered ftw.
I really dig I’ll Cast a Shadow and pretty much all of Reinventing the Steel.
Defs check them out. But do not hold your breath. expect a lot of scooped mids.
He may not have been the greatest guitarist, technique-wise, but he wrote some of the most memorable riffs and solos in metal. Happy Birthday and Rest in Peace, Dimebag.
Again,not according to NukeDukem. I fully expect the all that Pantera did was rip off Exhorder argument to come out of his keyboard pretty soon.
Thanks for saving me the time ;)
Pantera ripped off Exhorder made their sound less boring. I can’t make it through an Exhorder song without crying out of boredom.
So basically Exhorder+Redneck=Good music IYO? Just trying to get an idea.
Apparently so. Maybe “Slaughter in the Vatican” would be listenable if they were all hillbillies.
Sorry, I’m on a roll here today (see below).
Take the extra five fucking seconds and type out “in your opinion”. Actually, that took me three seconds. Christ, people, slow the fuck down and enjoy life.
Wait, weren’t Exhorder from Florida?
You said you were crying. What a puss.
‘Slaughter in the Vatican’ wasn’t a very good album, but ‘The Law’ was. Even with sub-par production, it still holds up today.
Dime bought me a beer at Trees in Dallas during a Prong show a while back. I was already a fan, both for the music but even more so because of the home videos, but that sealed the deal.
No it was the roofie that “sealed the deal.”
I grew up in a town that was rural but had a lot of upper middle class
due to it being close to a major highway and city. At any rate
I will allways ascociate Pantera to the inbred, ignorant douches I grew
up hating and in fact never even knew Dimebag’s name before he
died. The fact that one of his biggest “fans” shot him dead for the
“crime” of being in another band was just proof to me that Pantera
catered to some of the most retarded people in society whipped them
up into a directionless violent frenzy and was shot by one of the
morons he created.
Fuck Pantera.
their music was also extremely poorly produced.
Man. This makes me sad.
If you can’t recognize Dime as one of the sickest shredders of all time (I’d say somewhere in the top 10 or 15) then you have no respect for metal! That’s not an opinion, that’s metal law.
Yup, even if you think Pantera were “knuckledraggers” and their fans are NASCAR castoffs, to say that Dime wasn’t a popular and influential guitarist, even well before his death, is short-sighted and just plain incorrect. Besides, didn’t your parents teach you that it’s bad form to speak ill of the dead?
“speak ill of the dead?”
Yeah and isn’t that exactly why the media is worshiping Michael Jackson instead of seeing
him as the basket-case child-touching fuck he was?
Let’s just call it like it is instead. Dimebag was an influential guitarist true. Linkin Park is influential
also. So was Limp Bizkit. The Jonas Brothers are also very influential. Hopefully by now you are
seeing why being “popular and influential” does not erase obvious flaws.
Why don’t you fucks get that some of us hated Pantera all along and are annoyed by the
fact that we have to suddenly pay that crackhead some due simply because some
mongoloid Jeff Gordon fan decided to shoot him.
You know what? This doesn’t change shit. Fuck him still. What happened to him was
exactly the type of shit he preached all allong. Live by the sword….die by the sword.
What is this bullshit about him not being respected when he was alive? When I was a kid, this dude was on the cover of every fucking guitar mag. Cowboys From Hell, A Vulgar Display of Power, and Far Beyond Driven are all classics.
I guess at this point it must be some kind of generational thing or something. When i was in Junior High and High School there was no other. Dimebag and Pantera were the undisputed kings.Like you said he was in guitar world and guitar player magazine almost on a monthly basis and Pantera were definitely one of the most well covered bands of all the metal mags. I dont get the whole the argument of him only being recently recognized and respected either.Back in my day even the guys that were into the Deicide Morbid Angel,Cannibal Corpse scene wore their Pantera shirts proudly. i dont get the argument.
same here. i started playing guitar around ‘92 and the dude was in EVERY guitar world. he was my favorite then. and he’s still one of my favs.
Yeah, as horribly cliche and small-minded as it sounds, if you dont dig Dime’s shit, youre just not metal. Thats a fact.
And Happy Birthday Phil Lynott. He would have been 60 today!
Good man, Phil Lynott > Dimebag.
I’m still disappointed I never met him, his music is still so inspiring. It doesn’t matter what is said about Pantera, in the end all bands since year 1 AD are rip-offs of each other in some way so get over it. Pantera hit peaks in their career that could never happen for bands like we have now, if it wasn’t FOR Pantera. RIP Dime
Good point, except I literally can’t think of a single band with heavy Pantera influence that I care about in the least.
Please tell us about the bands that you care about. We really would like to know. i have my suspicions about what the list will look like but please indulge my curiosity.
Off the top of my head, my top 5 goes something like Atheist, Burzum, Sleep, Saint Vitus, Morbid Angel
The fact that you have Burzum in your top 5 tells me alot.
It obviously means that I’m frostbitten and gr1m and kvlt. But that’s beside the point.
No it just means that apparently good music to you is a crappy one man band fronted and created by a convicted murderer that couldnt find good production values in a billion dollar studio if he had a gun to his head. Apparently Dimebags only claim to fame is being murdred.Burzums only claim to fame is stupid Varg killing someone.At least Dimebag was well known for his music before he was killed. If scumbag Varg never decided it was OK to murder someone then Burzum would be nothing but crappy underground demo tapes that never made it to the U.S. in the first place.It’s just easier to look cool when listing something like Burzum in your top 5 and calling Dimebag a nobody has been who never had an impact.
hey, ceth. let’s not forget other things:
that he ran away from prison and was then re-arrested in a stolen car with a giant sack full of guns and knives and shit.
that he’s a serious fucking nazi, even if he wants to say it’s ‘Odalism’. the absolute shitpile that is his music has little to do with why i hate him.
that he’s also a convicted arsonist
Gee, it’s not like Like I said that Dime was a great human being in my first post, was it? Obviously Dime was the better man between the two, but I’m not here to judge musicians, I’m here to talk about music, and musically, at least in my opinion, Varg is far superior.
Atheist=Win.
It cracks me up that people who hate Pantera have to continually post on threads like this, just so they can try to convince the majority that their view makes sense. Sounds more to me like they are just trying to convince themselves. If you really don’t like Pantera, it makes no sense for you to have 8 posts in this thread already. Otherwise, pretty much nobody else shares your view, and it’s not your fault you don’t like a metal legend, it is just your taste. Move on.
Dimebag was one of the actual few that deserved some cudos after his death. Others that accomplished nothing are heros, but Dime actually added to the music and his influence can be heard today.
C’mon Axl, “He’d OF”??? Hate to be all grammar nazi, but how about “He’d have been”?
I was hoping I wouldn’t be the first to point that out. For fuck’s sake, people. Has all grammar gone out the fucking window with texting?
Geez, even in the supremely educated metal world, grammar is going out the window. I think I am going to go kill myself now.
“Supremely Educated Metal World”
Dude, have you been reading this comment thread? (Or any other MS comments? Or Blabbermouth?)
He’d of = He would have.
Tyler, you must HAVE failed grammar. “OF” does not equal “HAVE” in any grammatical sense. Just because people constantly misuse the language doesn’t mean that misuse becomes grammatically correct.
No, “He’d have” = “He would have”. “He’d of” = retarded illiterate nonsense.
“Hate to be all grammar nazi,” but I’m going to be anyway.
Seriously?
alotta doobies and shots are in order
A friend of mine was going to go see Pantera on their tour that Dimebag was shot on. They were playing at Clutch Cargo’s, I believe… in Pontiac, MI. The whole point is, the show was to be moved to a smaller venue because so little people gave a shit about Pantera.
This venue change was previous to his death, also. I forgot to mention that somehow? Hopefully you picked up.
Honestly, that’s a retarded point. Guess what: Andy Rourke, the Smiths bassist DJ’d Matchless in Brooklyn. I guess that means no one gives a shit about the Smiths. Oh wait, but they got offered 250 million for a reunion. You should probably rethink your arguments.
First off, he played bass in The Smiths. Who the fuck ever cares about bassists except for other bassists? I mean granted, they play their part in a band, but it’s still bass.
On top of that, he DJ’d a venue. How much was this promoted? Is that what he’s known for? If Jari Mäenpää came to Detroit to play some songs at a venue around here, you can assume that I wouldn’t go or give a shit. The only possible reason I can think of going is to talk to him about his relationship with Ensiferum now and how Wintersun’s new release, Time, is coming along.
Chances are, I wouldn’t get to talk to him at all. What was your point again?
Actually I was going to that show and you’re completely fucking wrong.. they didn’t change it to a smaller venue. They cancelled the show because a bus broke down. Don’t be a douche and post stupid shit to try to validate your dislike of pantera
You do realize that he was playing with Damageplan at the time dont you. You do realize if Pantera had reunited and tried playing at a venue that size then there would have been riots at the ticket booth with people trying to get their hands on tickets right. Very bad example. Very bad. You made yourself look kinda siily with that.
If he was such a fantastic guitar player, I don’t think it would matter what band he was in.
Jari Mäenpää made the move from Ensiferum to Wintersun and his music is still mindblowing.
Jani Liimatainen had to leave Sonata Arctica. Now he’s in Cain’s Offering and the dual guitar and keyboard shred is still there.
Look,name drop all of the semi obscure European bands and musicians that you want but your post was wrong and way off and the comparison that you are making doesnt really compare or hold up.
Really, Ceth? Those bands aren’t anywhere near obscurity. Don’t even try to use that excuse. If you think those bands are obscure, maybe you need to do a little research yourself.
To be fair, I did say semi obscure…and yes they are semi obscure everywhere but in the European market and to the people in the U.S. that like to dig way deep for music that is way under the radar over here. Have i heard of these bands,yes…have i heard a few tunes byt hem…yes. Are they still kind of under %90 or more of the general metal heads radar…yes. To argue this you may need to do some more research or just plain re think the overall popularity and influence these bands have on a world wide scale.
I honestly wouldn’t call anyone a true “metalhead” if they didn’t know about Ensiferum, Wintersun, and Sonata Arctica. These bands are constantly on Wacken Open Air (if you don’t know what that is, it’s arguably the largest metal festival in the world). Ensiferum and Sonata Arctica have toured America multiple times. If you don’t care enough to know that these bands exist, then you are obviously content, which I never see metalheads being described as (at least as far as hearing new styles of metal goes).
Are you dense or did you just not read my post, I plainly stated that i know of these bands and i know their place in metal. And yes I know what Wacken open air is,you are not the only person that knows what Wacken is just because you study European bands and it doesnt make you any cooler that you can spout off Wacken facts.. And like i said before they are pretty under the radar with most people outside of the European scene and they still are not on a huge level over there compared to other bands.,I think i covered that. anyways, your argument that they play Wacken,the biggest festival in the world is irrevelant to the fact that we are arguing. Bands no one has heard of play Wacken and what kind of festivals they play at has no bearing on their overall importance to the overall state of metal.Hell,Stryper and Mr.Big can still play to 10,000 people on their own in Japan but i hardly see anyone these days arguing that they are relevant on a worldwide scale. But back to the original point,your argument about “Pantera” playing on the tour that Dimebag was killed on and the show being moved to a smaller venue was wrong and the example was bad. You know this and now you are just trying to exercise your metal knowledge muscles to avoid admitting it was a bad example….and you are not flexing those muscles very well. Please think this through a little better before we continue. Thanks.
I explained what Wacken was solely because I didn’t know what to expect from you if you didn’t know who Ensiferum, Sonata Arctica, and Wintersun were. They are consistently at the top of the bill. I don’t just “study” European bands. I study all metal because I love it. Japan is mostly irrelevant because it’s a whole other world over there. I’m aware, that I was wrong in saying that it was Pantera on tour. However, I think the example was just fine as the highly influential and unique guitarist known as Dimebag was on tour. That isn’t to say that Damageplan was a pretty well-promoted band. I’m not trying to flex any ‘muscles’ so much as have a discussion with other ‘metalheads’.
Also, I somehow missed this,
“Are they still kind of under %90 or more of the general metal heads radar…yes.”
Madness.
no dude, it does matter. because pantera was awesome. whereas damageplan was a fucking joke. and this is coming from one of the biggest dime/pantera fans.
Why was Damageplan such a joke? Dimebag assuredly wrote most or all of the riffs. If he’s such a phenom of a guitar player why was Damageplan so hilariously awful?
I believe that was because with Damageplan, Dime wanted to try something different. He was known to be able to play all kinds of different shit and to write in the same vein as he did in Pantera would have defeated the purpose of a new band. It would just have been Pantera with a singer who could never fill Phil’s shoes and they would have bombed. I also think Dime after Pantera kind of lost his edge because of the fallout of losing Phil. He kept drowning his sorrows in booze all the more and you can see in photos around that time how different he looked, putting on weight and his face all bloated and shit. In actual fact Pantera were nothing like their former selves as early as 2003-4 with Phil’s heroin addiction in full swing. The chemistry just wasnt there anymore and they werent sounding as tight. My friend saw them on tour in 04 and he was a big fan and plays mad guitar himself and he was disappointed by the lackluster show. Its kind of sad but thats life. All good things come to end, and in music the end is usually before the end.
This isn’t even relevant to your original point. Ensiferum and Winstersun would not pack huge venues and i’m saying that as fan of both bands. Quit being an elitist asshole. Also read my above post on why the show was cancelled.
I suppose we’ll never know the truth about what happened at that show. The point is, Dimebag Darrell was a mediocre guitarist before and after death. I hope the video posted on this site isn’t supposed to be impressive as it left me bored and disappointed. This is Dimebag at his best? This is his idea of shredding? Really?
If you are going to be hostile, so will I.
If you want to see Dime at his best watch the Dime clinic clip on Youtube.
Europe is stupid and gay and so is your ugly hair.
Richard – or may I call you Dick? – you might need a lesson in metal history. As Ceth stated, Dime was not in a famous band at the time of his death. So maybe that would explain the smaller venues.
Thanks for voicing your unnecessary follow-up to Ceth.
You’re welcome. Actually I just wanted to call you Dick. But you get the point, right? If you make a point so stupid as to say Pantera’s popularity had faded when in reality Pantera was no longer a band, then how can we take any of your other points seriously?
The bands you like are what you like. That’s cool. But don’t pretend to believe them bigger than they are, just because YOU’RE into them.
And lastly, this was simply a small tribute to a slain guitarist who actually did have an impact on a generation of musicians and bands, whether you like him or not.
I guess I’m not qualified to talk about metal, though, since I’m not well versed in the huge subset of metal known as Finnish folk metal.
I apparently can’t reply to your new post, so here you go. My point had nothing to do with Pantera really. It had to do with Dimebag. No matter what band Dimebag is in, if he was such a remarkable guitarist, why didn’t people care at all that he was in Damageplan?
Your second statement is just plain ignorance.
And to your third statement, I’m aware that he influenced fantastic guitarists, which I AM ashamed to admit. However, I will admit it. Paul Waggoner of Between the Buried and Me was greatly influenced by him. This does not make Dimebag a remarkable guitarist. He was a good, decent guitarist, sure. But nothing special.
I can guarantee that if Jari Mäenpää died or was murdered and Time wasn’t released after all this time (for the sake of being redundant), the entire metal community would explode in a furious outrage. Ensiferum’s first two albums would be much more popular than they already are and more notably, Wintersun’s self-titled would be “legendary” as well.
It’s “ignorant” to say it’s cool to like the bands you like? Or is it “ignorant” to say that because you love a certain scene that somehow makes it legitimate?
Really, Dick, you came here to shit on Dimebag. And then somehow the thread got sidetracked into your authoritative discussion of what “true metalheads” should or shouldn’t know or like.
If it had been CC Deville who’d been murdered mid-chord, even though I detest Poison, I wouldn’t go on an RIP post and shit on his memory with a discussion of how he sucked or was not as good as everyone else believed him to be.
Don’t try and defend folk metal dude… You’re saying thats what makes a “real metalhead” when compared to death metal, folk metal has no talent or, for lack of a better word “heavy-ness.”
Folk metal is cool, but “true metalheads” listen to anything with “metal” in the genre title… except maybe gothic metal, but no one really cares about gothic metallers.
Firstly, you are angry. I am not angry. Relax with your name calling and act like a human being. This is a discussion, not a fight.
Secondly, it is ignorant to say or believe that those bands are not popular in the metal scene. Plain and simple.
Stop twisting my words into what you want them to sound like. I said that I personally don’t believe someone is a ‘true metalhead’ if they don’t care enough to know about other styles of metal.
Back to the point, I didn’t come here to take a verbal shit on Dimebag’s grave. I came here to have a discussion with (hopefully) intelligent and well-mannered (not you) metalheads on why this guy is so important. My initial post was not meant to piss people off (though I knew it would) but to explain my point of view (or tell my friend’s story, rather). By hearsay, it is to my attention that no one really cared for Dimebag when he was alive. Which means, yes, I’m going to believe a friend that loves Dimebag more than a couple of internet warriors who call bands like Ensiferum and Sonata Arctica obscure.
And I can’t imagine any reply that you make is going to convince me otherwise, really.
Well, if that’s what you MEANT, than that’s what you should have SAID. I agree, Richard (see? I can play nice) that if you don’t at least give other sub-genres a listen, you’re not a true music fan anyway.
Secondly, I’m not angry. I was just perturbed at what I thought was an unnecessary thread on this particular post.
As for no one really caring about Dimebag when he was alive, well that’s plain incorrect. If I wanted to waste more of my company’s time I could probably find 500 pre-death articles about him. But ANYtime someone who is famous dies, his or her (perceived or real) impact is heightened.
How about a truce?
There’s no need for truces when there wasn’t a fight to begin with.
It would be nice to see the 500 pre-death articles that say how remarkable he is. Though I haven’t done a lot of research, I have never seen any proof that Dimebag was as popular and influential before his murder. Like you said, his popularity was of course affected by his death but it would still be nice to see some actual physical evidence of his greatness.
So, Vince and Axl, there’s a fantastic idea for a post. Prove all of us ‘Dimebag haters’ wrong and show us some proof! Your job is journalism, right? Sammy is at work doing his job now, so that leaves you guys.
Well for a start i just looked up the Guitar World cover archives and between 1993 and 2004 before he died he made the cover 7 times. Keep in mind thats just the covers he made. He was in that magazine on almost a monthly basis for years. anyways, thats just a start for ya.
Shit, Ceth! I was JUST counting covers and had made it to three. And yes, that’s just main page covers, not all articles, lessons and Pantera tabs.
You know, I really don’t like John Lennon, so on that alone I defy you to tell me how he was influential before his murder. (For the little brains, that’s sarcasm.)
Ceth, links please.
“You know, I really don’t like John Lennon, so on that alone I defy you to tell me how he was influential before his murder. (For the little brains, that’s sarcasm.)”
Dimebag Darrell isn’t even comparable to John Lennon. Not sarcasm.
Well you’re dumb and also fat. Ugly too.
http://blogs.guitarworld.com/covers/gallery.php?sort=0&kwd=Dimebag&submit=Go
there is your link,scroll down the page and take a look at 2004 and back,I have provided a page that has only the covers he was on.
Rich, I wasn’t comparing Lennon to Dime or vice versa. I was making the statement that just because one doesn’t like something, that doesn’t erase their legacy.
Fair enough, Sammy. Also, Ceth, can’t click on the link because it’s a reported attack site. Sucks.
The link does say it’s an attack site for some reason, but I pushed through and it SEEMS to be okay. It’s just the blog page of GW, so I’m not sure why that message comes up.
I dont know what to tell ya dude, thats a URL link straight to the Guitar World covers archives…pulled it right off of my address bar while looking at the page.Doesnt change the fact that he was inded on 7 before he died.
I’ll go ahead and believe you guys.
As for Aaron, I’m just going to say that I’m an intelligent human with varying (but strong) opinions. I am slightly fat, yes. And I’m glad that a guy named Aaron thinks I’m ugly – I would be concerned otherwise.
If you are so confident that you are smarter, leaner, and more beautiful than I, let’s see! The point is, I’m not here to be a sight to behold, I’m here to discuss what we all love – metal.
Thank you for your comments.
You’re unlikable Dick.
Of course, your “whole point” is crap when you don’t even know what band was actually on tour or that the band you claim was not popular/influential had not existed for nearly three years at the time of Dime’s death.
Though I think “popularity” should be the last thing on a list when determining the quality of a band, your claim that Pantera was never popular before Dime was murdered is simply ludicrous. With album sales in the millions, thousands of performances played in front of millions of punters, countless television appearances, and, oh yeah, a #1 album on the Billboard charts, seems like one or two people thought Pantera was pretty cool at one time or another, even when Dime was alive.
As for your weak claim that Dime sucked because fewer people went to see Damageplan than Pantera, I guess I can’t like Maiden any more since they had a near 15-year lull in attendance figures. Or, Testament sucks because there were only 500 people in attendance at the Scout Bar in San Antonio earlier this year. Or that Mantic Ritual will not deserve success because they only played in front of 50 people on a Tuesday this summer. Give me a break. Pantera was an unique entity at the right time and at the right place that built one of the most devoted followings in heavy metal history. Their fans’ loyalty was probably the most intense of any fanbase, excepting early Metallica and Slayer’s. For someone bagging on other commenters for not knowing their heavy metal history, I am shocked that something so basic and well-known escaped your vast chasm of metallic knowledge.
Face facts: as Sammy said, you simply came here to shit on Dime’s grave on a day of celebration for his family and fans. Congrats! You win my Grrrr!!! Roooaarrrr!!! Tough Guy nod for the day. Awesome you. Your alleged arguments, however, about Dime’s lack of influence, popularity, and skills falls flat on their face every time you fap away at your keyboard. And face it, you deserve to get spanked again for not even knowing Dime was playing with Damageplan on the night of his murder.
Oh yeah, I am a huge Ensiferum, Wintersun, and Sonata Arctica fan and have been for a long time. Whoop-dee fuckin’ doo.
dimebag wasn’t shot when he was on tour with pantera. he was shot when he was on tour with damageplan.
exactly, which is why that derrange’d idiot shot dime in the first place.. dime and the singer and bassist from pantera, had a falling out, hence why the singer couldnt attend dime’s funeral.. so, dimebag was sick of waiting around, and made another band.. damageplan..
it was a “taster” gig? if i rememebr correctly?
and the guy claimed it was dime’s fault that pantera split, and that they pinched his lyrics.. then i also found out the guy who shot fime.. was a scitzo…
FUCK DIMEBAG!!!!!!
That would make you a gay necrophiliac. I can believe that.
no FUCK YOU!
Dudes who write this stuff would be well serve to read this:
http://invisibleoranges.com/2009/08/metal-grammar-school.html
I realize the irony of making a typo in a post where I call someone else out for their poor grammar…
Happy Birthday Dime….. We Miss Bro……… I hope you are rocking up above……..
smiling my black tooth grin.r.i.p. King Dimebag.
Nathaniel Gale is an american hero. May Nate rest in peace.
Son.
I am disappointed in you.
Dude, you’re so edgy…
Raise a toast to Dimebag; may he rest in peace!
I’ll take Dimebags solo to Floods over that. Thanks anyway.
“Why was Damageplan such a joke? Dimebag assuredly wrote most or all of the riffs. If he’s such a phenom of a guitar player why was Damageplan so hilariously awful?”
they had a horrible singer. it was like a “rebound” band. should have just reunited Pantera. one person does NOT make a band. so even if dime wrote most of the music, he couldn’t carry that band.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04MLyyjW5TI
Some guy doing a cover of the solo in Death and the Healing by Wintersun. Worth checking out. This is a good, memorable solo.
And here is another guy doing a cover of a Wintersun solo….on a Dean Dime XL guitar. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6zVhKTG1U8&feature=related
It’s gay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yUJBAX0B2k
I’ll take Dime playing the solo to floods over that..thanks anyways. sorry if this is the second time i posted this statement,first time i replied up to high and didnt getthe link in. Fail for me. Anyways,I’m sticking with Floods.
This one is better. Dick Hakli tries real hard to have Dimebags silly looking beard.
Eh, fair enough. You can stick to your squealing nonsense that anyone can do, as well as the “shredding” he does that anyone that has been playing metal guitar for 6 months can do.
If you guys think that sounds better for whatever reason, to each his own, I suppose. I will stick to classically influenced sweep picked and tapped arpeggios that take years to master.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzM1d4qXEaA&feature=related
Domination ftw.
Richard Hakli,can i politely ask your age and how long you have been listening to metal? I am just curious based on your earlier posts about having no clue on Dimebag being an influence or having droves of fans beofre he died. I guess maybe i am older than you and maybe Pantera has just been lost in translation to the newer generation of metal fans but your posts on that baffle me as Pantera had a very solid run of 6-8 years where they were arguably the biggest metal band going in the world. Metallica was a bigger band overall but they have not really been metal in years, as far as straight ahead metal you had Slayer and pantera and Slayer was not even quite on the same level worldwide that Pantera was. Pantera was pretty huge in every country they touched on tour for many years. Again, i am just curious as to how old you are because i just want to know if it’s an age thing like when i was younger it was hard for me to believe that The Who and The Rolling Stones were the biggest things going at a point in time. In time i have learned just how big they were,their importance in music and learned to love a lot of what they have done. Is it a case of you just not being there and not knowing or have you just not been into metal for many years and not scratched the surface of your musical history. I genuinely want to know, because your lack of knowledge on what Pantera and Dimebag were before he died is just baffling to me.
Ceth, I’m 19 and I’ve been listening to metal for about 5 1/2 years now. That does explain why I don’t know what Pantera or Dimebag was, but as you can see, I’m trying to see what they were. I’m an avid fan, the same as many other metalheads: I live, eat, and breathe metal every day without fail. I’m not going to boast about my music collection or any of that bullshit, but as you can see, I am justifying myself as someone that is MOSTLY experienced, despite my age.
Ok, That explains things a little bit for me, you had barely even touched metal and were only about 14 or so when he was killed. At least I understand a bit more now. It certainly explians things a little more clearly for me. Now,instead of knocking the guy you should go do a little digging so you can see just what kind of machine Pantera was between about 1992 and 1998 or 99. Also, you need to expand your mind and get off of the whole sweep picking takes years to master and means you are a good guitar player if you can do it. Some of the most masterfull technical guitarists in the world are alo some of the most boring. anyways, thanks for answering my question. It really is just a time gap i guess.
It doesn’t matter to me how popular or large of a ‘machine’ Pantera was. I don’t hear the hype or the talent that everyone raves about. Just because I prefer Jari’s sweep picking and tapping over Dimebag’s bluesy noise does not mean that I think sweep picking makes you a good guitar player. Jari is a great guitar player because he seamlessly blends legato shredding and string skipping with classical arpeggios and mesmerizing melodies.
Do you even play guitar? Honestly everyone I meet that doesn’t play guitar thinks sweep picking is so god damned impressive. Takes years to master? Really? No, they really don’t. Dime could shred and i’ll bet you any amount of money that jari would agree. You can say that you simply don’t like Dime’s work instead of all the bullshit you’ve already posted.
One reason I don’t like Dimebag’s work is because he doesn’t shred. At least, I haven’t seen any shredding yet. You didn’t defend Dimebag or show me that he shreds, but you cut down my opinion on what is difficult in guitar playing. No, I don’t play guitar, but my best friend and band-mate is an extremely talented guitarist. When I said that sweep picking takes years to master, I meant MASTER. I mean cleanly and accurately. Bending your fingers in ridiculous positions (some more than others) while staying consistent and keeping in time? And I didn’t even mention the string skipping the Jari does.
Do you play guitar? Can you sweep-pick masterfully? If not, how do you figure it isn’t difficult? People that CAN make it look easy.
I’ve played guitar for 8 years and have learned how to sweep pick. Lately i’ve seen countless numbers of guitarists sweep picking as well in small local bands around the area. It’s not the end all be all guitar technique that you seem to think it is. It’s simply another technique that needs to be practiced. I’m only impressed by sweep picking when someone does it in a manner that flows with the song. I.E. Paul Waggoner or Jari. That has nothing to do with MASTERING sweep picking.. that has to do with being a good musician that knows how to write a song. Did I say Jari wasn’t a talented guitar player anywhere in that statement? I love ensiferum and wintersun. I cut down your OPINION becuase you’re stating it as a FACT. You just stated he doesn’t shred once again as though it’s a fact. What is “shredding” exactly? Is there some textbook definition for it? I’d have to say the cemetary gates solo is one hell of an example of shred. YouTube that.
I give up,Eddie Van Halen sucks to,he plays to much bluesy noise and doesnt spend all of his solo time on every song laying down wicked emotionless sweep arpegios and sweep picking. All hail to Jari. He kicks everyones ass…he has mastered sweep picking cleanly and acurately and can bend his fingers in ridiculous positions while staying consistent and in time…..oh yeah, i forgot about the string skipping….oops,almost forgot,he is European and classicly trained and that by default puts him on top . Every shredder that has skills but chooses to use some feeling of groove and blues influence stinks. Eddie V…please i beg you, hurry up and start laying down some super serious technical string skipping shred before you go and die on us so your legacy as a guitarist is not shat upon.
Not what I said. Thanks for once again putting words into my mouth, though. Much apreesh, guys. Ceth, I’m glad you finally came around. *Rolls eyes*
Nick,did you not see his post up above,the kind of shredding Dimebag did was the kind that anyone that has played metal guitar for 6 months can do.This is a fruitless battle. I am about ready to admit it. Metal elitists will be metal elitists even when they are 19 and have only listened to metal for 5 years and dont admit to being elitists. I understand if Pantera and Dimebag are not your cup of tea but your comments on stuff like being able to do the stuff he does is possible for anyone that plays for 6 months and all that kind of stuff is just assinine. Just say it’s not your thing,dont say stuff that just does not make sense.
‘Jari is a great guitar player because he seamlessly blends legato shredding and string skipping with classical arpeggios and mesmerizing melodies.’
You sound like a pompous ass. By all means you like what you like but sometimes I think you have to say fuck flawless technique and go for feel and emotion. Both have their place and can be enjoyable, but to say someone isn’t that good a guitar player because he didn’t create ‘mesmerizing melodies’ (sounds so gay, dude) is pure nonsense.
Your rebuttal was literally, “THAT’S GAY BRUH.”
Ya, you got me, dude. Thanks for making that more concise for me. I was actually saying it seems that you think, based on your previous posts, that you think music (generally, guitar playing, specifically) if it is not overtly technical it isn’t good or influential. I referenced that particular passage of your post beacuse it read like you got it off the bands press kit or something…it sound extra lame.
Are you serious?? Dude you’re a certified fucking idiot…Last time i checked the headline said “Happy birthday Dime” not “Mastering sweep picking” you fuck
And no it does not take YEARS to master. Try practicing.
SOUL takes years to master, and the guy your bashing had it by the truck load.
Go play in fucking traffic.
Wow. You really are a huge tool.
Wow. Looks like Ziltoid just revealed his true identity – Richard Hakli. What a fuckhead.
Dime is great! Always will be and always was before his death…The rest of you are fucktarded!!!!!
I love how people basically take music and try to make their opinion the end all of statements…or any art for that fact…its art peeps…Don’t try to degrade it…there is no right, no wrong…if you don’t like something…move on…we don’t need to hear how you hate it because of this or because of that…try pointing out a positive for once…negative peeps!
You really like peeps.
Damn straight….Peep
Peeps are delicious.
Oh grashopper,you have much to learn about this strange breed that is the new age metal “fan”. We may never understand where they are coming from.
and I know how they are….they are all like that! Lol I just have to throw that out there every once in awhile!
slauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuughterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrred!
My Pantera tattoo is highly offended by all this haterade. Saying Dimebag Darrell was a shitty guitarist is like saying Layne Stanley was a horrible vocalist.
Dime poured more soul and feeling into his playing than any other guitarist in metal. Sure, there might be players out there who “out-shred” him, but who gives a fuck. I’ll take an artist with heart and soul over someone who can “squibbly-fabbley-doooo” better than the next guy.
And besides all that, he still fucking SHREDDED like a maniac. I’d like to see you play the songs he played half as well as he did.
+1
+1 for the Patton Oswalt reference
Dime picked up a guitar as a child and never put it back down. The man lived for his music, loved his fans, and cherished his friends and family. To shit on his memory because you don’t think that he could hold a candle to your current favorite “shredder” shows both your age and your lack of open-mindedness. Hell, it shows your lack of judgment, while I’m at it, because anyone with at least 2 of the 5 basic senses can see that Dimebag was a catalyst for change in the whole genre of metal.
Now most of the children posting in here will have trouble with big words, so let me sum it up for you “special” cases: pull your fucking heads out of your asses.
dimebag is the reason i started playing guitar, and the reason i follow my music like a religion!
im 17 year’s of age and i’ve always had pantera in my life, yeah, they were going 9 years before i was born but lets face it.. 1992 the “vulgar display of power”, was introduced, the year i was born, lucky for me.. then when i was 2, “far beyond driven” was intrduced.possibly the best album in my opinion. man.. i’ve been listening to pantera so long.. as a teen of 13.. for dime.. to have been shot at his damageplan concert.. it was a rough time.. very fucking hard… i miss dime so much, i cant beleive people come on here and say so much bad stuff about him… he was and still is.. a legend.
rock! in! peace!
“he came to rock… and rocked like no other
with the heart twice the size of texas,
our beloved brother, companion, mentor, idol, and friend…
we love you dime…
until we meet again.”
Growing up, Pantera were the kings of metal. Have a rockin’ birthday in the rock ‘n roll afterlife Dime!
I can see this page is already ugly w/ 143 comments. Sweet. Dimebag and Pantera were fucking killer. Far Beyond Driven is still my favorite album all time. Strength Beyond Strength is the most bad as song. The people who hate Pantera (Ziltoid and that type of person) are extreme outcasts in every way of life. The only way they feel like not killing themselves is to stay away from awesomely insane/intense metal that reminds them of how the whole world has made fun of them their entire life. So they listen to prog type shit and claim to be a metal genius, and say anybody who listens to Pantera is an ape. Haha…an ape that can fuck you up and is probably banging the hot girl you draw pictures of by yourself.
I know there is prob a million things wrong w/ what I just typed, but you all are ripping on a dead man today on his birthday. Not cool.
“…but you all are ripping on a dead man today on his birthday. Not cool.”
That pretty much sums it all up.
I hate everyone of you. Equally and without prejudice. Seriously all of you can fuck off. Fighting like little fucking children. Everyone of you (me included) need to get a life outside of our own home.
I only fight on work days…Lol
I’d like to think Dime is in heaven right now playing the Floods solo while Dale Earnhart does donuts around him in that Goodwrench #3. Fuck yes.
DIME BAG WAS A DUSH AND HE DESERVED TO DIE HE SUCKS AT GUITAR
YOU FUCKING STUPID FUCKING CUNT!
dimebag was only out that night to play infront of his fans what he loved to do more than anything, play his guitar, HE WAS THERE FOR THE FANS!
he would if fucked you up!!
its people like you who deserve to die you fucking bastard! i’d like to see you play better than dime!
i cant beleive you came on something that was here as something innocent and completely shit all over it
What the hell is a “DUSH”?!?!?!?!?!
Its a fucking idiot trying to spell “Douch”
HEY AXL, VINCE!! this one goes out to you guys.. i got it that this is an open thread and everyone is allowed to have an opinion….totally get it. But jesus christ guys- this is supposed to be nothin but a simple tribute to a guitarist that was loved and worshipped in the metal community, i was hopin to start the day reading this post with lots of positive messages on here…..lo and fucking behold it turns into a pantywaste argument over what a “Tr00″ metal guitarist is this, or i hate dime that. Its not punk ass internet weaklings who are shitting on Dimes memory, its YOU FUCKS at MS that are letting it go on. How bout a simple dose of ‘If you dont have anythng nice to say dont say it at all’
Whether you loved dime or hated him, liked his playing or not- NO ONE, not anyone deserves what happened to him, and the pain it caused his family.
And if loving Pantera from its inception up to its fracture means im a Redneck (Im from Brunswick Maine by the way?!) Then fuck it.
WALK ON HOME BOY.
Oh ya, and even though im gonna check this page again tomorrow, and the next day, and the next….FUCK Metal Sucks for letting this thread get out of control. Letting punk ass little internet weaklings shit on a dead mans Memory…smooth guys.
Im sure one of you will have some sort of clever retort, and in case im not here to read it- fuck you.
L
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That ending was awesome!!!
I met Dime a month or two before he died and he totally lived up too and beyond any expectations. Down to earth, cool and witty as hell. Hung with me at the bar for thirty minutes till my camera battery ran out. Anyone that doesn’t like Dime is either close minded or 15 and don’t know what the fuck there talking about.
Rest in peice Dime. Forever Stronger Than All.
MS posts a birthday wish in memoriam for a man who will never have another because of a senseless act of violence, and THIS is the response it gets? Unbelievable.
Congrats, y’all. This is officially a new low for the readership of this site. To think, after the Love Blog [http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/08/19/jumping-darkness-parade-daaths-eyal-levi-wants-to-know-who-you-are/], you guys nearly had me believing in you all. Sorry about that. Won’t happen again.
If this thread were a barroom and you were all saying this shit to each other’s faces, I’m pretty sure a few of you would be dead or in critical condition right about now.
WHAT THE FUCK!
IS FUCKING WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!
dimebag is a legend, he still live’s on.
people coming on here saying shit like “he deserved to die” what the fuck? why come onto a thing like this, and start posting so much bullshit!, its in memory as it’s his birthday, he was a outstanding guitarist, and he would of been just as big as slash had he still be here.
“he came to rock… and rocked like no other
with the heart twice the size of texas,
our beloved brother, companion, mentor, idol, and friend…
we love you dime…
until we meet again.”
ROCK! IN! PEACE!
sad times =(
The dude shredded IN THE PIT during their early days.
Gone too soon. RIP.
I stayed out of it as long as I could. Anyone saying some hateful shit should get kicked in the throat. Pantera alllllllllllllllllll day yesterday, and allllllllll weekend. RIP Dime.
I seem to be one of the only ones in the middle here.
Not the biggest Pantera fan, but that solo in Floods is awesome.
I listened to Barbie Girl by Aqua over and over until my stereo no longer worked.
You know if you guys would go play metal instead of talking about it like this, I bet half of you would actually be in a band right now doing shows. Probably more
RIP Dimebag
Well that was a fun read, I think all this controversy just proves Dime’s place in history (whether you hate him or not). I don’t really listen to Pantera any more but this brought back memories of my Jr. High mock-rock in ‘93. I was Phil…. sharpie’d UNSCARRED on my stomach… hilarious. Oh, and let’s not forget Pantera started out as a Glam band. Ya’ll enjoy your weekend…. I’ll blast a few Rebel Meets Rebel tunes in memory. (You’d of… haha)
i cant believe i read all these fuckin posts
Richard Hakli,
Shut up.
I’m absolutely sick of hearing about sweep picking bullshit. Anyone can ’shred’ it just takes practice. But it takes something unique to stand out, like Dime has done. It’s not technicality that matters most (sure it matters somewhat) but it’s originality, technique and charisma which makes one stand out in the guitar field, and Dime had all these in abundance.
Dime was a legend and will be for a long time, no comparisons thank you.
One of my favourite all time musicians.
Happy Birthday Dude!
I despise all metallers. End of. Shredding, arpeggios… give me friends and the ability to speak to women any day.
nothing short of total sellout
i cant believe this fucking shit. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY FUCKING RESPECT FOR THE DEAD??? Pantera is my favorite band and i will defend it until i fucking die. was dimebag the greatest guitarist ever? no. but he was a good guitarist and he was senselessly killed. i cant believe this shit. theres no brotherhood in metal anymore. everyone is a fucking uptight purist. pantera had an immeasurable influence on modern metal on countless bands. not to mention, dime was such a nice guy. but no, kerry king is a tr00 metal god. i love slayer, but he’s a fucking dick. you all fucking suck. if this is what the metal fanbase is…i dont want any fucking part of it.