THE HARD R: DALLAS COYLE ON “BORROWING IDEAS” AND TALKING SHIT
Monday, September 21st, 2009 at 5:00pm by Dallas Coyle
I haven’t done a blog in a while because the last blog I did really got me thinking about the mentality of people in the metal scene. Most particularly, the mentality of shit talking. We’re all guilty of it. I admitted to shit talking Bring Me The Horizon in magazines over in Europe when I was in God Forbid. I never heard them at that point. But now, I dig them and I feel pretty stupid for slagging them.
In my last blog I mentioned my excitement for the band Eryn Non Dae and how I was going to “borrow” some of their ideas for my new project. First of all, my last blog was PACKED with information about band business, touring and juicy tidbits of amazing knowledge :) But, the funny thing about the last blog was this guy ‘Jamie.’ Out of a five hundred word blog, he took the phrase “borrow ideas” and accused me and God Forbid of riding the coat tails of other popular bands. Killswitch was his biggest gripe. Then it was Opeth.
He claimed Gone Forever (2004) was a Killswitch rip and Earthsblood (2009) was an Opeth rip. This type of thing usually doesn’t bother me. In this instance I was fucking bothered. Jamie and I entered into a written brawl about the history of God Forbid and the intentions of our song writing for the last ten fucking years. Why would I waste my time to defend myself from this sort of claim?
Because borrowing an idea is not stealing an idea. God Forbid was influenced by countless amounts of bands. Emperor, Lamb Of God, Opeth, Killswitch, The Beatles, Mayhem, Led Zeppelin, Michael Jackson, Suffocation, For The Love Of…, E-Town Concrete, Nile, Clint Mansell, Miles Davis, etc. Sue me. I love all types of bands. Shit, on Gone Forever I was influenced by Sevendust, Radiohead, Queens of the Stone Age and The Beatles. It was the first album I started singing and I was scared to fucking death. Those bands were my guides to learning how to do something the right way.
This guy Jamie acted like Killswitch invented singing and Opeth invented the acoustic guitar. To tell you the truth, I was offended. Any of you who follow this blog regularly (as regularly as I can do it) understand my knowledge in songwriting and the touring lifestyle. I know what the fuck I’m talking about. I’ve got my own style in this game of music. A guy who’s done NOTHING is testing me about “borrowing ideas?” I’ve proven myself in this shit storm of a bullshit scene.
This brings me back to shit talking. This guy seemed smart. He seemed on top of his game. But his intelligence didn’t mean a thing because he made the dumbest mistake anyone can make. He assumed he understood the ‘mentality’ of an artist at the point of creation. At that point he already gave up his shit. He thought he understood what I, as an artist, thought about when I was creating my music. He couldn’t have been more wrong. I have a voice. It’s SINGULAR. It’s ONE.
I’ve created music on weed, ketamine, coke, alcohol and other assorted treats… Fuck, I’ve even created my music sober! In those states of mind, who knows what the fuck you’re thinking? Real artists bleed, kids… We don’t twiddle knobs to figure out the best ‘angle.’ We don’t take theory to find the best ‘chord progression.’ Art bleeds from us. We can’t control heavy bleeding. It flows then it clots.
Brand this in your fucking mind.
An idea is free reign, my friends. An idea is influence. Martin Luther King Jr’s ‘Hope’ influenced a generations. ‘Hope.’ No one owns an idea. Your voice personalizes and molds the idea. You use your voice to express your ideas. Your voice sets you apart from the pack. If enough people recognize your point of view or your VOICE you will make an impact. Look at Kurt Cobain, Michael Jackson and The Beatles. Tried and true.
I will give Jamie one of his arguments: God Forbid didn’t make the huge impact other bands did. That is true and I’m disappointed in that. Maybe we lacked a true voice. But that’s MY disappointment. In that regard, Jamie’s just being a dick. Yeah, sure, I live in the dream world where I make a million dollars a year and thirty thousand people come to see me play every night. Come on, you really don’t think I’m in the dark about where I am in my career? The realities of the business are harsh. I know that. I don’t need some cocksucker telling me the things I didn’t accomplish. He forgets one thing while he’s talking that shit. I have many accomplishments. I’ve written first rate records. Had first rate record sales. Been on the biggest tours. Had first rate pussy… And I mean eleven on the Richter Scale type pussy.
When people talk shit, they need to realize who they are talking to. I’m not some young buck on the side of the street waiting for a hand out. I’ve lived a life few would dream of. The funny thing is I DID dream of this life, and it came true. Maybe that shit talking comes from a deeper, insecure place of not seeing a dream realized. Or jealousy? Or rage? Or fear?
I put my money where my mouth is. When the shit talking begins, I won’t be judged for the output of God Forbid. I left the band six months ago. I am proud of my time with the band, but I’m not a prisoner of the past. Who am I now? I let motherfuckers judge my new music when the shit was being thrown my way. In response, all I felt was respect. All I heard was silence. My music can’t be fucked with and I know it.
I’ve been answering questions for the last three blogs. Now I have a question: What makes you talk shit? What gets your gut to twist, turn and force your tongue to take action? This blog is also an open invitation to talk shit on me as much as you want!
-DC
What did you say your name was again?
Ha ha, BURN!
I enjoyed this blog.
Reminds me of one o fmy all-time favortie quotes by artist Salvador Dali: “Those who do not want to imitate anything produce nothing.”
Everyone is inspired by something. Nobody springs form the ground full of brand new ideas out of nowhere. There’s a fine line between being inspired and directly ripping off, but music has always been built upon,generation after generation, on the “borrowing” of ideas and concepts and expanding on them.
Mr. Bungle was 100% original.
According to Zune they were influenced by:
The Residents
The Beach Boys
Dead Kennedys
Devo
Metallica
Oingo Boingo
Queen
Slayer
Talking Heads
Burt Bacharach
Sammy Davis, Jr.
Frank Zappa
Ennio Morricone
Roxy Music
John Zorn
But, but… ah fuck it I tried. They don’t really sound like they “borrowed” any of those respective bands’ sounds. Except for, you know, the samples they used.
Mr. Bungle do sound like their influences. It’s just a matter of the listener being aware of those influences enough to recognize them. Most Bungle fans have probably never actually heard Zappa but that influence is huge with Bungle.
That isn’t to take away from what they do. Bungle does have a unique way of presenting their influences, just not 100 percent original, as no band is.
And Zune is obviously a reliable source, just like wikipedia.
They list Green Day as metal
Nice work Dallas. Ha ha I definitely remember reading jamies comments on your last blog and being like wtf is this guy serious? He was just downright hateful at times. Whatever he’s a stupid prick hopefully he comes back to comment on this one.
Are you a sycophant?
Everyone that comes on here to kiss Dallas’ ass and suck Eyal’s cock is.
True words. They’re just a couple of asshole with opinions like the rest of us. Only difference is they get to play music for a job. No better, no worse.
What idiot would compare you clowns to Opeth???
Tim Tebow
And then he’d throw a winning touchdown..
lol @ Tebow, aka the second coming of Jesus
I didn’t know our Lord and Savior was playing college football.
Tebow>Jesus
Sanchez should also be in his senior year but instead just killed
the Patriots after a very successful first two season games.
By that logic I gotta say
Sanchez > Tebow
Let’s be quite honest… there isn’t a single band out there that hasn’t borrowed something from another band. EVER. Period. I defy anyone to name a single band that was in no way, shape, or form influenced by something that came before it. It cannot be done.
wouldnt say im an expert, even less a fan, but werent the beatles pretty original?
They were still influenced by Chuck Berry, Elvis, Buddy Holly, Carl Perkins… among others.
The Beatles/Stones era rock was heavily influenced by the blues. Check out all the covers they did of older blues songs (ie Kansas City).
Not to dimish the Beatles contribution to music, but they still had their influences.
most of those “original” bands were influenced by Muddy Waters and other blues singers, who were influenced by gospel, who were influence by getting whipped by white guys in uncomfortable clothing. So… slavery made The Beatles?
That’s the point I was making… there’s always something that influenced someone.
Fuck yes! Metal came from slavery. You heard it here first. You sir or madam deserve a fucking Nobel Peace Prize. I know it doesn’t qualify for one but they should give it to you anyway.
This guy puts forth a fairly convincing argument that The Beatles were actually quite unoriginat and that their influence is based mostly on popularity.
http://www.scaruffi.com/vol1/beatles.html
I didn’t make it all the way to the end of that article, so maybe all the “convincing” stuff was at the end? What I did read was mostly strawmen and a lot of after the fact and just-so reasoning based on some very shaky assumptions, including the author’s pretensions to establishing an objective measure of what a “good” songwriter is.
Haha.
kraftwerk?
I had to look it up because I’m not especially familiar with their music, but they were apparently influenced by Karlheinz Stockhausen, Velvet Underground, Zappa, Hendriz, Stooges, and the Beach Boys.
I think that its real easy for people to talk shit about something they envy. Either out of inferioirty or fear to really push themselves because they are scared to fail. Ive failed and Ive succeded so I feel like ive been on both sides. Good article.
Why would you envy an obscure career that was cut short just before reaching semi-nonobscurity?
I talk shit because I can. It’s the internet. This vehicle of malaise and vitriol has been put before me; I can’t say no to the joy it will bring me! Who can? It’s not that complicated. People are confounded at the shit others post on the internet when they don’t realize that who’s posting it is their mild-mannered neighbor.
Fucking +1 infinity!!!!!!!!!!
I didn’t read all the way to the end of the comments on your last post because life is short and I’ve got work to do. But there was one song on Earthsblood that made me think it was inspired by Opeth’s work. It wasn’t a cover or a steal, but it was an instance of you guys stepping up your game as songwriters in a way that reminded me of them. And IT DIDN’T BOTHER ME ONE BIT.
As a writer, I know it can take years to work your influences out of your system. There are writers every young man who wants to be a writer himself reads, and they’re exactly the ones to be avoided, because it’ll take forever to develop your own style if you get stuck in your “Bukowski phase,” your “Hunter Thompson phase” or (for all you aspiring rock critics) your “Lester Bangs phase.” The Thompson and Bangs viruses are the most pernicious, I think – Thompson afflicted me for years (I was lucky enough to enjoy reading Bangs without ever wanting to be him).
So I imagine something very similar happens to musicians, painters, actors (look at the impact Marlon Brando had – watch movies from before he emerged on the scene vs. movies after – all the male performers are trying to be him, in the most obvious and clumsy way) or any other creative artist. And you gotta just work through it, and hope you don’t get a serious audience until after you’ve become your own person, creatively speaking.
What causes me to talk shit? Nothing at this point – I’m old and cranky all the time, but being old also means I’ve seen it all and can’t get too worked up about any of it.
Awesome point. I’m a fledgling writer as well. Had a couple papers and a handful of lousy poetry published in a book once. Currently working on my first real attempt at a novel. And I find it amazingly difficult to shake the influences of my favorite writers. Thompson especially. Hemingway as well.
You sir are absolutely correct.
Awesome blog. Definitely felt your passion in this one…
Anyways, to answer your question. I am in a band. We are doing quite well, and what gets me shit talking
is the lack of talent and originality that these other bands in the scene have. Theyre fucking jokers. They talk about going on tour and getting signed and all this stuff and I just laugh.
My band has toured and been around and people love to think its glamorous or some Motley Crue “girls girls girls” shit. It really wasnt at the time. It is better now, but it was hard work and money. I am sure for bigger bands it gets a lot easier…but man, it was tiring. But it was also the best time of my life and wouldnt trade it for anything…
My other problem is with kids at Warped Tour. My band just played a few shows on that and honestly I think we might have been the heaviest band there for those dates when it came down to it. Catchy, heavy metal. And kids seemed to be more into the fake ass scene bullshit. Its almost as if they have been brainwashed by Vans and hair dye to like crap music.
Im not really going anywhere with this because I am a shitty ass ranter. But anyways, I enjoyed your blog. Thanks for the few moments of actual thought I had to have while reading, because whenever else I read this site, there is practically no thought process needed….lol
See you!
what band are you in?
Looking at the artist roster of the Vader Cabinets website that he linked, my guess would be
the Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravaganza.
But I could be wrong!
haha Did Tony Tap dance play Warped Tour? If so, I totally missed them… :-(
It’s pretty obvious what keeps people in this comments section talking shit. (1) the anonymity of the internet; (2) a computer and keyboard; and (3) immaturity.
If you’re asking why bloggers talk shit. The answer is also simple: It drives traffic to the site. More traffic = more potential for selling (or capitalizing on) ad space.
As for musicians talking shit, I have a theory: testosterone. All males have it. It’s a matter of controlling what you do with it. Guys talk shit to hide insecurities, much the way guys jack up their trucks to a point beyond any useful purpose.
“Guys talk shit to hide insecurities, much the way guys jack up their trucks to a point beyond any useful purpose.” = win.
That would also explain the existence of TruckNutz.
shit………. I completely obliterated the memory of trucknutz until now. god damn you.
+1
tolerance – when you feel the need to reply but you don’t and instead hit ‘backspace’ to erase two paragraphs.
that’s quote of the day right there, bitches.
replied to the wrong post.
You sound like the splash of a one-week-constipated turd.
I learned about real life shit talking during my ten year career as a roller hockey goaltender: you don’t talk shit unless you’re winning. And if you’re losing, you can always try starting a fight.
But just because you have one doesn’t mean you have to act like one!
so, what you’re saying is “God Forbid = Martin Luther King, Jr.” Wow. Talk about living in a dream world.
thats shit talking… don’t think he quite said God Forbid = Martin Luther King. Jr, but then again… i guess your looking for a reaction which is probably why some people talk shit
Yeah, festernaecus, I’m comparing God Forbid to MLK, Jr. You smoking crack? Can you understand words? Or does your mouth flap uncontrollably unless you’re eating or sleeping?
Naked at the computer hitting refresh, I see.
You lost, either way. So lol.
yeah, the festernaecus stock just fucking PLUMMETED. wow. what a defeat for me. back to burger king, I guess.
I am sorry, but that is too funny. Fucked up, but funny…
Yes, we definately bleed art.
What pisses me off is when I can’t bleed anything too far from the influence.
I don’t like taking things from Iced Earth, God Forbid, Killswitch, Metallica, Megadeth, Slipknot, The Absence, etc., but it ends up you start fiddling around on the guitar, and you get something similar, and then you just figure out what you were listening to. And then you feel bad because you feel like if you were to used that riff, you’d be ripping the band off. So you try and switch it up. And sometimes you can’t.
But sometimes you can. And you make it your own.
And that’s art.
That’s why, in my humble opinion, you should try switching maybe what you listen to while you write.
Instead of listening to bands that you want emulate, try writing something that will make the next want to emulate you! lol Try using that untapped part of your brain…Good Luck Duderz
Dallas Coyal, I mean I don’t even know what to say about your career.
You claim to live the life other people dream of, somehow I doubt it.
When I musicians who I truly respect in the metal world for any kind of accomplishment, you’re not on the list. Seriously, I can’t remember anyone–ever coming up to me and saying “Check out the new God Forbid album!”–like ever, its never happened. Because seriously, God Forbid was a mediocre metalcore band, that got lost in the shuffle.
God Forbid sold 8,300k their first week for Constitution of Treason….That’s FAR from first “rate record sales”… its respectable in the metal world yes but with your buddies KSE, Lamb of God, Shadows Fall selling 50-65k in this first week, God Forbid is small beans. First rate I think not.
Seriously, what do you have?
When will you retire?
Do you own your own house?
Here’s the answers:
Your guitar amp.
Never.
No.
HAHAHAHAHA. I mean good for Dallas if he has his beliefs but first rate? Na I dont think so.
over 250,000 records sold world wide. Constitution alone did 100K worldwide and Gone Forever is at about 90K worldwide.
I’m sorry I didn’t sell as many as you did since your gods gift to writing music, selling records and being completely amazing at everything… but you don’t shake your dick at 250K world wide. If you do, then you’re a god damn champion. Back in 1999 bands like us weren’t expected to sell 3000 copies so you can lick my motherfucking balls and taste the sweat. The music that is commonplace now, didn’t exist then.
I’m talking shit… wait, i’m not… I’m speaking the truth.
“Dallas Coyal, I mean I don’t even know what to say about your career. ”
You’re right cause you don’t know a fucking thing.
“Seriously, I can’t remember anyone–ever coming up to me and saying “Check out the new God Forbid album!”–like ever, its never happened.”
That says more about you than it does me… You might be surrounded by people who probably have shitty taste in music, which in all likelihood qualifies you for a “Shitty Taste In Music Award”.
As far as what I own: You got me there. I’m homeless, I own not a thing. I actually smell like piss, shit and cat puke. And literally just had to eat cat cause it’s the only thing I can catch. I’m not writing this on a computer either. I’m actually communicating with you with my mind in my dream world. Man, it is completely great… Seriously, it’s fucking homeless heaven over here.
I will never retire because I’m a musician, writer and artist. I’ll retire when I’m dead.
You can spend your life waiting to retire so you can be unproductive, miserable while waiting to die after the thrill of receiving social security checks and your daily intake of Metamucil becomes too much of a burden.
I’m sure I will die way before I have time to retire which is alright with me.
Dont you have to be in a Band to retire?
Lol its funny, because you said you like BMTH so you can’t be taken seriously… Like, really? You HONESTLY enjoy childish immature lyrics, with a fail attempt at being funny in song titles, and lackadaisical song writing? I mean, you have the songwriting aspect down in God Forbid, but hot damn, i didn’t actually think you could enjoy someone that sucks THAT bad….
Oh, and another thing. You’re talking about how many records your fucking band sold right above to try and justify that you have good song writing. Go fuck yourself you vastly un-metal prick. I honestly don’t see how people like you get signed. I also don’t see how POP music gets signed or even liked. But it does. And it sells a lot. I’m pretty sure most people on this forum will agree they hate that Lil Wayne and 50 cent bullshit, but they sell THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of records. Dont EVER try and use how many albums you sell as a reason why you can write music well, because its just not fucking accurate. Writing “good” music is deemed upon peoples opinions. But writing music WELL is something you definitely do not do, where’s the technicality? Where’s the emotion?
I KNOW im being an asshole here, but you’re making shit points.
Oh, and dont be telling people their lives will be unproductive ever. You’re in a fucking NWOAMH metal band. You won’t be producing anything amazingly ground-breaking anytime soon.
Also, why don’t you try telling Trevor Dunn or John Zorn that “real artists don’t take theory” and that your music “can’t be fucked with”. Shit, bust out a ouija board and tell Frank Zappa that “real artists don’t twiddle knobs.” I’ve never had an opinion of god forbid one way or the other, but damn, kid, you’re really not painting yourself in the best light. Kind of shrill, sanctimonious and self-important. But hey, you’ve gotten way more premium pussy than I have, so what the hell do I know?
+1
I agree on the whole “bleeding art” thing cause these days it seems like the only thing that people in bands care about is who is gonna have more scales,who sounds more “progressive” or whose album has more death metal riffs and dumbass breakdowns,its all becoming way to technical and that just makes all of those bands a bunch of mindless drones
I’LL KICK YOUR ASS, DALLAS. I’M LIKE SEVEN FEET TALL, OKAY. SAY THIS SHIT TO MY FACE, FUCKER, NOT ONLINE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
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Nah, Earthsblood was a good record.
+1
No seriously, what are you doing to pay the bills these days? I remember a vid on this site a while back wherein you blew off a creditor stating you were in fact, being “bailed-out” along with all the other banks and lending institutions that took a bath in our crumbling economy. And just exactly how did that work out for you?
I think most of the negative comments made here against DC proved his point. And for the record, I don’t like God Forbid. Nothing against them, they’re just not my style. I like DC’s blogs though. And I have basic human respect for him. Some of you guys ought to try basic respect sometime. It may get you somewhere in life.
Nah respect doesn’t get you anything. Eating shit with a nice big smile while you’re doing it does however. No one cares about respect anymore. Unless you actively agree with, follow, comply,compromise or otherwise cow to whatever or whomever, your efforts are futile. The world shits on respect\integrity\originality\free-thinking and so on. Just dumps all up on it.
Give up, just quit, because in this life, you can’t win. Yeah, you can try, but in the end you’re just gonna lose, big time, because the world is run by the Man. The Man, oh, you don’t know the Man. He’s everywhere. In the White House… down the hall… Ms. Mullins, she’s the Man. And the Man ruined the ozone, he’s burning down the Amazon, and he kidnapped Shamu and put her in a chlorine tank! And there used to be a way to stick it to the Man. It was called rock ‘n roll, but guess what, oh no, the Man ruined that, too, with a little thing called MTV! So don’t waste your time trying to make anything cool or pure or awesome ’cause the Man is just gonna call you a fat washed up loser and crush your soul. So do yourselves a favor and just GIVE UP!
Couldn’t agree more.
I allways thought “The Man” was just an ambigous spectre conjured up by
illiterate stoners who could not distinguish between the complex forces
causing their lives to suck and therefore lumped all the things they did not
like into this amorphis category called “The man.”
But hey don’t let the man get you down.
True words my friend.
I love how you spelled “always” wrong, then tried to take on “ambiguous”…that’s some ambition to be admired!
I was going to applaud you for bringing up a good topic, but then you started bragging about the “pussy” you’ve had. Anybody who resorts to that as proof of their musical greatness is (in my opinion) a dimwit.
In addition, correlation does not necessarily equal causation.
ACL,
Good pussy kills some peoples hearts. This blog was a dagger, and I was trying to DIG DEEP! If you’re digging deep, always, always rely on Good PUSSY! Would you complain if pantera said it?
Yeah it backfires really easily though and causes the holder of said dagger to look pathetic.
Dallas-
I’ve heard many-a-soul refer to the “good pussy” they got as a reward for their accomplishments. These people are typically those TAPOUT shirt wearing douches who are insecure about what they have and feel the need to fabricate a bullshit image for themselves.
I’m not saying that’s who you are because, well, I don’t know you. I’m just saying that’s the vibe you give off when you throw that shit around. But who am I to judge? Maybe that’s the way you want us to perceive you…
By the way…
I do feel it’s necessary to say that I’m not talking shit about you as a musician. I’ll applaud almost anyone who puts their ideas into action (or fuses the ideas of prior artists into their own understanding). I’m personally tired of this music war. We are all entitled to our own opinions, interpretations and creations.
On the other hand, I won’t give 2 glances to guys who are unable to deal with their own shortcomings.
You Sir are nowhere on the SAME PLANET as Pantera. And Yes If they said it in 89′ 99′ or fucking 09, it would be awesome if the prodigal sons returned and shitty Hack Metalcore bands would go away.
People talk shit because it gets a reaction…overwhelming criticism or praise will always get more attention than wishy-washy moderates. That’s why most of my comments come from one extreme or the other, I’m in it for the attention. Why the hell would I comment if I didn’t want people to notice what I have to say? I’m no voyeur.
The song Earthblood sounds so fucking much like Opeth… the first time I heard it I was almost in disbelief, I then played it to my brother and asked him who it sounded like and he said Opeth straight away. There are so many different elements in that song that sound like Opeth. In fact that song probably sounds more like Opeth than the latest Opeth album does, if that makes any sense.
So yeah, I’m not going to accuse you of intentionally ripping off Opeth, but it sure sounds like you did. But hey, it’s still a fucking good song, so congrats.
Dude it really does sound like Opeth. I’m not even saying it as a bad thing per se, but in response to
the guys that deny it? Go listen to Opeth and you will see.
Plus the track “Rain” has some segments that sound a lot like Opeth as well, but not as much as the
song Earthsblood.
Is it wrong to sound like Opeth???
If every song sounded like Opeth id say the copied Opeth, but 1 song?
Sometimes i wish everyone sounded like Opeth!
They are the best metal band today, that’s for sure!
Maybe the dudes in God Forbid like Opeth, why wouldn’t they?!?
As far as Earthsblood goes, its no Ghost Reveries or Watershed, but its pretty solid!
Biggus Dickus likes it!
Most news stories on sites like Blabbermouth give a band press, therefore making it seem like the band matters. Saying something postiive about that just reaffirms the fact that the band deserves recognition. That’s just not very exciting. I usually say good shit about bands I like when they’re getting shit-talked by others. Try to even out the playing field, in those cases. Of course, shit-talking obvious crap is not worth my time since it’s all been said.
A few people have already addressed a few of the points I would like to discuss here, but dammit I want my say in this, too. Dallas actually hit on something that briefly had me wondering whether or not I wanted to continue participating on this site and I want to speak a little about what I’ve learned about it.
I don’t know much, but I’ll tell you a little of what I DO know: For most people, shit-talking is a form of recreation – either a pastime or a diversion, depending heavily on circumstances. For a few, it’s a tool of intimidation or psychological warfare. For a very few, it’s an art form in and of itself whereby people develop their own scoring systems in which points are awarded on the basis of technical merit, artistic presentation, and (I know you hate this word, Dallas) “originality.” I’ve known people who shit-talk compulsively simply for the dubious pleasure of being contrary. (A fair few of the like-minded post to this site, or so it would appear.)
I’m a huge proponent of constructive, productive confrontation, but as a general rule I avoid confrontation when engaging in it stands to be of little benefit to me. Typically, I only end up exasperated with people who provoke others without cause – and let there be no mistake, shit-talking is by its very nature provocative and confrontational. Contrary to my mother’s long-suffering opinion, I understand perfectly about tact: for one thing, it’s usually on the right side of the line between telling the truth as one sees it and being needlessly destructive. “Brutal honesty” is usually a cover for tactless cruelty.
Before I ever started participating on this site, I understood perfectly about tolerance and practiced it wherever and whenever I deemed appropriate. In the time I’ve been observing this site, however, I feel as though I’ve gained a more complete understanding of the concept of tolerance from having observed so little of it here. It’s a huge turnoff to observe arguments consisting of little substance, which then usually devolve into personal attacks because where else is there to go when you have no firm ground on which to argue to begin with? We can disagree about music and personal preference from here until the end of time, but personal attacks are always bullshit. I’m generally not entertained by that sort of thing and so normally I don’t have the inclination to give any energy back to it. I like a laugh like anyone else here and I feel just as passionately about many of the things we talk about as does anyone else, but the widespread failure of many who post to this site to appreciate that arguing or debating with someone who doesn’t share your opinion doesn’t necessitate demeaning or belittling them on a personal level nearly had me not coming back to this site.
But then I reconsidered. I’ve taken a keen interest in observing, in particular, how Axl, Vince, and Eyal deal with the criticism and personal attacks that are often directed at them. In fact, it was Eyal’s perspective on the matter that eventually led me to decide to continue to participate here. Vince and Axl tend to try to stay above it all by just ignoring you guys when you start grating their nuts, but while Eyal will occasionally lob a sarcastic remark back at someone who attacked him first, he mostly addresses misconceptions, disagreements, and outright misdirects as respectfully and thoughtfully as possible while mostly ignoring the most egregious of the attention-seekers and shit-stirring fuckwits. I enjoy Dallas’ blog as well, and was therefore dismayed when he allowed “Jaime” to wind him up so tight over that last one. In all fairness to Dallas, though, it’s the natural response of anyone to wish to defend themselves against attack and “Jaime” could have been a little more circumspect in his/her comments. But then maybe “Jaime” provided Dallas with the perfect foil to sound off on a few grievances Dallas might have been harboring for some time. It seems as though “Jaime’s” attacks weren’t the first Dallas had heard along those lines. And besides, I’m given to suspect that Dallas sometimes intentionally winds you guys up because watching you all lose your minds over dumb shit is, on occasion, HI-larious.
Again, it’s not necessary to attack someone personally just because you disagree with them. And the assertion that the anonymity of the Internet always justifies character assassination is bullshit: none of us know each other from Adam or Eve, so tearing up people on the Internet who you don’t know is tantamount to projecting your own fears and insecurities onto others and then burning yourself in effigy. Having said that, I’m humble enough to admit that I can recall at least once where my exasperation with you guys pushed me to it. All the provocation on here has taken some getting used to, but these are some of the conclusions I’ve come to:
• When confronted with idiocy and seemingly asinine banter, my participation on this site has conditioned me as to replace my compulsion to lock and load with an uncanny knack for skimming over comments that waste my time and further degrade my confidence in the human condition.
• The shit-talkers have a should have a say, too, and while the way in which they choose to voice their opinions might often be unpalatable, it’s entirely likely that this is the only outlet they have in their lives with which to express their true feelings and opinions without fear of offending others and thereby possibly alienating themselves and/or inviting retribution (i.e., my size 6 foot in their ass).
• I might understand a little better about the shit-talkers now, but character assassins can still eat me.
Fuck my life, all that typing and I’ve still not covered “borrowing” yet…
As others have said before me (Dallas, chiefly), there is no originality left in music. With absolutely nothing except my membership in the human race to back up this assertion, I will go so far as to say, until we land on Mars, make contact with aliens, or prove beyond refute the existence of a Prime Mover, there’s nothing original left to be experienced in the human condition. Ayn Rand talked about humanity’s collective soul, but she wasn’t the first to advance that concept of us all being bound by a shared existence. More specific to purpose of this blog, the human ear can perceive only a limited range of audible frequencies, which limits how we perceive and create the music which seems so integral to the universal human experience. Every pioneer has stood on the shoulders of the giants who broke ground before them and the only artist who can claim not to have been influenced by those who came before them is the one who hatched from an egg – and them being divorced of socialization, I’m not sure I’d want to hear what they would want to throw down, anyway.
The truth is this: There is no originality to be had in music anymore, beyond the ability to present what’s already been performed in such a way as to make it *seem* “new.” This is the enduring brilliance of The Beatles: they took all the music the world has ever made, refracted it as light through a prism with a thousand facets, and shown the light of the world back on us as to celebrate the best we’ve ever been and could ever hope to be. I defy you to listen to The Beatles’ entire catalog and to find any aspect of the human experience not reverentially represented. THIS is what those who would deny the influence The Beatles have had on music and, indeed, modern life as a whole fail to appreciate, which is that their originality was in showing us all something about ourselves that was there all along but that we’d never seen before. You don’t have to be a fan of their music to appreciate the fact that they changed the way music is written, recorded, performed, and enjoyed – for now and evermore. They ARE modern music, period. It’s entirely likely that the very artists you enjoy the most don’t even know the extent to which they and their influences have been and will continue to be influenced by The Beatles.
Much as many people fail to appreciate the legacy The Beatles have left us, or to what extent their favorite artists have been influenced by them even when those artists don’t fully understand it themselves, many people fail to appreciate what Dallas was saying earlier – about how you can’t control ideas. People can have the best intentions for wanting to share their ideas with others, possibly to control their intellectual property. But there’s a reason why patents only last for 7 years (correct me if I’m wrong) and it’s not just to curtail greed: once an idea is out there, floating out in the ether, you’ve lost control and possibly any illusion that you ever had control to begin with. It’s much the same with performing and recording artists – once you’ve given birth to something and placed it in the public sphere, it’s no longer yours to mould. People will do with it as they see fit, and use it as it suits them. People like to bash Van Halen, I suspect not for their actual creative output, but for the ridiculousness that followed them. If you’re Eddie Van Halen, evaluating your band’s creative legacy as it stands, you’re possibly pleased with your life’s work. But if you’re Eddie Van Halen, evaluating your band’s creative legacy measured against the million or so shitty bands that spawned from misguided attempts to “honor” you with imitation….maybe not so much. Same with Dime (R.I.P.). Same with….you name them, through history.
Fuck my life, I’m late. I got so worked up over this, I forgot where I was supposed to be. I choose to blame Dallas. If any of you actually made it all the way through this, thank you for your patient persistence. You honor me.
+1 just for writing all this (and no, i didn’t read it all…)
longest post ever?
Wow, even I think this is a long post. Kudos for writing all of that up and not sounding stupid while doing so.
I’m gay.
Holy shit.
I’m guessing that a lot of the responses are either going to be of the “TL;DR” variety or some sort of inane response. Shinaain, that was an impressively long and well-stated argument. And I find that I am in complete and utter agreement with you. I enjoy a good flamewar on occasion, especially when it comes to ridiculous, cookie-cutter bands like Attack Attack! and morons like the Juggalos, but I generally try to keep an open mind, musically speaking, and I usually find myself wishing that more people on here were the same way.
Also, I’d like to volunteer the use of my size 13 foot for kicking peoples’ asses… I suspect some of these folks may not even feel the size 6.
There is no such thing as “impressively long”
…not when it comes to writing anyway
Heh Heh i got it. +1
Your post is tl;dr, let alone that one above.
Wow Great post! You should start blogging!!!
I’ll commend anybody who has the rocks to put themselves out there night after night, on the road or in the studio. The life is unforgiving and success isn’t promised to anybody. You have to love and believe in what you’re doing. There is no half-assing. That’s why the shit-talkers make me shake my head: a whole group of people dedicated to tearing down those doing that which they themselves cannot do. Shameful.
So I guess Dallas is quite a bit smarted than I ever gave him credit for… no offense intended. Introspective stuff. It is really alot eassier to shit talk than give true criticism (and no, not all criticism must be constructive… or I guess you could argue that all criticism IS constructive.) Although, if we all lived up to the “if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all” credo, this blog would have 2 comments, and they wouldn’t be intesting to read. So I don’t know… Dallas’s writing is too meta for me to think about oit any more.
“Dallas’s writing is too meta for me to think about oit any more.”
This is a compliment. Thanks.
“Bad artists borrow. Great ones steal”
That is all.
Fuck yeah, I love this quote.
So by the this logic the greatest music will allways come from cover bands.
I’m flattered my comments left such an impression on you. That’s all you’re gettin from me this time
OK Dallas I want you to look closely at your blog and realize it is an answer to it’s own question. People talk shit to you because you come off as a douche. Why ask it’s not like your even making a small effort to not be a douche.
OK so you still don’t get it. Imagine an angry, wounded, bitter blog written by Kanye West in his current situation. OK now are you realizing that this is not jealousy, fear or whatever other cause you like to imagine…no….it is a normal human being’s ordinary reaction to….a….douche!
I like Earthsblood and Constitution….but dang man.
Seriously I’m LOL the more I think about you and your most recent blog. It reminds me of Kanye in the “Fishsticks” episode up at the blackboard trying to logically make sense of the gayfish joke. Here you are up at the board trying to figure out the one thing that out of all the people in the world get except you. WHY do they treat me, Dallas, like a douchebag???
Why…whyy….
tolerance – when you feel the need to reply but you don’t and instead hit ‘backspace’ to erase two paragraphs.
that’s quote of the day right there, bitches.
i don’t get why people post so much shit on dallas’ blogs. i mean, he talks shit a lot but he also admits to faults and shortcomings. that’s a real person right there. most of the people here come off as one-dimensional persons who are either pussies or pricks in real life (like people who post on blabbermouth).
Completely get where Dallas is coming from with this, but I must admit having never liked any of God Forbid’s previous work I am quite taken with Earth’s Blood mainly because it is the best Mastodon album not to be recorded by Mastodon, (and nothing like Opeth. where did that come from?). And while I have no problem with this and don’t think any less of GF or the individual’s musical integrity for it. But I can’t help that if you changed the name adorning the cover I’d've been none the wiser. This isn’t talking shit or having a beef, i just found it coincidental that i felt this way given this post’s subject matter.
REALLY? You did not catch any similarities to Opeth on Rain or especially the title track? I’m one of
the guys that never talked crap to him for sounding like Opeth. To me it worked and Earthsblood was
probably their best record. Still, the similarity is undeniable.
can someone fill me in on who the fuck this dallas coyle guy is, and why he thinks he knows shit about music?
This has turned in to a whiny bitch-fest. You all (including Dallas) need to learn to not care about what some fucking jerk off on the internet said about you. Fuck off.
What do you mean (including Dallas)?
As far as I can tell he’s the only one.
+1
That’s one of the things that undermine my opinion about Metalsucks as of “thinking man’s metal site”. This post looks like really petty bitching, you really need to ensure yourself you’re good with boasting with list of your achievements and assorted cock swinging? Skane’s right, you should learn to ignore this stuff instead of showing off your apparent insecurity about your skill and talent – just ignore it and carry on, people won’t love you more if you’ll resort to ad personam arguments and that ever popular, mortally ofended “your talkin shit cuz your jealouz lols”.
Hmmm what to say that hasn’t been said.
I read through the whole blog and most of the comments here.
I think Dallas was trying to prove a point but it maybe came out the wrong way.
Dallas I have talked to your brother (backstage at a Testament Show). So I have a hard time believing that if your brother was as cool to talk to and seemed very humble that you would be a big ass.
So I’m going to chalk some of your statements up to just trying to prove a point to people talking shit.
What I have noticed being around musicians and just people all day long. People are gonna be how they are. Sometimes what they say is great and it helps things along sometimes not so much. But I have learned to develop a thick skin. I know what I like and what I believe in also what I have done. If that person wants to feel big insulting me or what I have done so be it. I don’t let someone’s words take that from me.
To all you guys saying Dallas is a “douche” I assure you, he isn’t a douche. It’s simply a man who doesn’t like someone talking shit about what he has done/hasn’t done and who he is as a musician. I’ve taken shots of Jager with this dude and we laughed about Hatebreed a little while they were on stage. Good times.
His point is that most of you who do talk shit don’t know the first thing about the music business and how it operates. Dallas has done very well as far as being a metal musician goes. Much better than many have and probably better than many will. The music scene isn’t the same anymore mostly because people (including me) would rather download a whole album than go out and buy it. Hell everyone does it but if you deny that this doesn’t drop record sales, your lying to yourself and everyone else.
Dallas, keep doing what your doing. I’ve enjoyed all your music and be an asshole to everyone who talks shit to you and about you. Do onto others as they have onto you. Talk shit on those who have talked shit. Be a complete fucking douche to those who hate on you out of anger/jealousy/rage. Do whatever the fuck you want because those who actually DO know you and what you HAVE accomplished know that your a good person.
Yeah, act like an immature, angsty dimwit because others do. Congrats on your standards mister. As far as my opinion goes, I’d like to see people being resonable.
I’m buying records, by the way. If you’re into music and supporting artists all the torrents in the world won’t matter. Looks like teh internets separated people who like to own music from people who want to support music, funny that.
Same here. Out of the last twenty or so albums I got in the last six months all were purchased.
I said Dallas was coming off as a douche simply because that’s just the way I called it. He really is
reminding me of Kanye.
I think he really needs to most of all stop assuming people are jealous are scared or whatever.
It’s obvious he’s intentionally coming up with any reason EXCEPT the most obvious for why
people talk crap to him.
I’ll use the Kanye example one more time ’cause it’s so fitting. Arguably we should be much MORE
jealous of him since his level of sucess is about 50, 000 times greater then Dallas’. However, jealousy
is not a common reaction to Kanye these days. See he was a giant douche so everyone at this point
does not like him. And that is how it works.
If I remember correctly, the saying goes “An eye for an eye makes the world go blind.”
“God Forbid didn’t make the huge impact other bands did. That is true and I’m disappointed in that. Maybe we lacked a true voice.”
Maybe not yet, but you guys were on your way. Earthsblood is a great album. With each release GF seems to be finding that voice and using it better and louder.
Yeah he really picked quite a time to leave. It’s obvious he had a falling out with Doc. I mean with all
due respect I understand that he wanted to keep a lid on this thing and I think it’s cool that both
sides were dirty laundry-free but it’s easy to see what’s up.
First off you can’t hide the timing of his departure. After being there for so many albums he leaves at
the very pinacle right before going on tour. Now we don’t have to look hard to see that’s a HUGE burn
to leave a band at that point and between him and Doc, Dallas is the hot-headed one. So by that alone
it’s easy to call him a douche. I mean that’s a Plaxico Burress level of responsibillity and just like
Plaxico he tries to blame fatherhood when it’s obvious other shit is going on.
This and the many comments are quite painful to read. I feel really sorry for Dallas as he seems like a really nice chap trying to make a decent living doing the thing he loves most. I understand his delivery is a little strange and he comes across as a little spoilt, but I can guarantee that if it was me in his situation I’d certainly blurt something unncecessary. I hope this whole thing hasn’t ruined his perception of this site’s readers because along with Eyal’s, Dallas’ column is easily one of the best things on this site. The Metal Sucks staff are really lucky to have 2 great guys from working bands writing here as they both give a unique perspective on the metal industry.
Actually Dallas Coyal,
Social Security? Ha.
I’m 24 and I’ve got more money invested in Roth IRA’s right now than the total amount on you’ve ever made, ever, in your career in God Forbid…its really good you won’t live to retirement, you’re music was terrible I’d have to have to hear you write more of it for much longer.
How old are you?
Do you have a family? Can you even support a family?
My life is far from shit. I am building a studio for me to record music, yeah you know that place, your label FORWARDS you money to pay for to make a CD? We’ll, i’m going to own one of those. So yeah, after I come back from work(making more money than you) i’ll sit at home on my deck, looking at my pool, go down stairs and write and play music. I’ll never tour the world or sell many CDs worldwide BUT without a doubt, I will have lived a better life than you…but hey, with all that touring and no money, you got AWESOME stories to tell for the rest of your life about how you were in God Forbid.
So now what do you do? Sit on your buddies couch all day, practicing arpeggios without an amp waiting for someone to call you and have you fill in?
God forbid you ever join another band.
-James
+1
James,
You sir are an asshole!
Nobody cares about how awesome you think you are, how much money you claim to have, and what you claim to own!
Most metal musicians came from humble circumstances with little or no money and a dream to share their skills with others… They have spent countless hours practicing and improving these skills. Most have been in several unknown bands until they get some kind of break. Most start out touring in a crowded van and an old trailer eating the dollar menus at taco bell and McDonalds, its not glamorous! Most are not rich and never will be, they don’t conform to the pop scene to get on the radio! Thank God! We have enough of that silliness!
Fuck You and your IRAs!
Fuck your lame ass studio!
Fuck your piss filled pool and shitty deck!
Nobody will ever know your name! Nobody will care!
You are a conceited butt plug and have no right to talk shit about Dallas, or anybody else for that matter!
Go back to your insect infested trailer with your crack whore mom and shut the fuck up!
You dummy you totally took it out of context.
Your right, Bring Me The Horizon really do suck balls.
Oh, and who brags about getting “good pussy” is just plain pathetic in my eyes. Even in argument about who gets the best pussy.
You realize your Internet pseudonym is Jizzmaster3000?
And you realize that does not pertain to anything he posted, right?
2shay. Just found it ironic, in a way. That is all.
Well if it was “pussy master” then it would definitely be ironic.
Still it’s Jizzmaster which is just kinda funny instead.
Dallas, I love God Forbid. I have every GF album and I have all of your autographs on my Gone Forever cd. So yeah, I’m a fan of your former band. But here it seems you have dropped yourself down to the level of the most annoying posters on this and probably a billion other message boards, blogs, and news sites. You are officially a troll. I understand the need to defend yourself when taking heat. But you have done so in a way that actually makes me enjoy the music you have created less. You sound…like a little bitch. Sure, you do make some good points. And then you begin to trail off in a seemingly endless rant of immature shit talking. But hey…shit talking is in the title of your blog so that is okay, right?
On another note, I “borrow” almost all my riffs from Maiden and Overkill…so I’m with ya there.
honestly…I remember a time when a lot fewer people listened to heavy music…and maybe everyone didn’t like the same bands…but you had respect because you could find someone who agreed to play metal at a party…as opposed to fuckin’ 50 cent or Beyonce or country music for god’s sake…everytime I go to a metal show…people don’t sit around talking shit about each other’s taste in music…people are laughing…drinking…having a great time…metal is fun…don’t take it so fucking seriously. Don’t get me wrong…some of the shit I read on here is at times funny…but come on…some of you guys need to fucking relax. Try pussy…it really does work wonders…but then that would require actually bonding with another human in person. Oh well…
Hey Dallas –
This blog entry seemed more like a pep talk that you might have been better off giving to yourself standing in front of a mirror all Stuart Smalley-like. This isn’t “shit talking,” either. Just merely an observation. Your credibility isn’t supported by these types of essays, if that is even a concern that you have. If I am worked up and passionate about something that I want many people to read, I sit with it for at least a day after I write it to make sure it doesn’t contain completely useless content that detracts from the point I am making or might me make me look like an emotional windbag. Maybe you should do the same.
“And I mean eleven on the Richter Scale type pussy.”
Is this a synonym for a earthquake-causing fat chick?
Genius…..
Yeah lol. Incidentally 11 was also her age.
42-39-56, you could say she’s got it all
You can’t see it, but I’m crying while I’m applauding. lol
Determination was the only good God Forbid album.
yeah wow….
“I’ve written first rate records. Had first rate record sales. Been on the biggest tours. Had first rate pussy… And I mean eleven on the Richter Scale type pussy”
Bring me the Horizon sucks so fucking hard, you were right for talking shit, and now you’re wrong for liking them.
How can I take this guy srsly… He likes BMTH for fucks sakes.
This encapsulates my whole problem with the music scene today. Let me totally write someone off, talk shit on them and hate them because of one band they like or one song they wrote or one thing they said.
Music is subjective, people evolve, nothing is permanent.
I can’t imagine most of the people who constantly talk shit are musicians and if they are they certainly aren’t successful ones.
Everything is gray, try not to look at things so one sided.
Jonas Brothers are the best metal musicians of all time.
A fake opinion that encapsulates the entire problem with your post.
DidgeryDo, <3. +2. Yeah, fuck +1. You get +2. ALl your posts on this thread are abso-fucking-lutely correct and amazing.
I think i’ll buck the trend by saying a few positive things. Number one I am a new GF fan. I picked up ‘Earthsbood” after reading a good review of it. I love that record and I love the live album that came with it. I recently was talking with my younger brother and he told me I should check out some of GF’s back catalog which I intend to do.
I believe that in order to be an artist something had to have inspired you. These inspirations are reflected in your art. The same can be said of any kind of artist. From filmmakers like George Lucas to comic book writers like Ed Brubaker. Everyone has their influences.
Fuck the haters Dallas. You do what you love and you can afford to eat. That alone puts you above 90 percent of the people living in the USA with jobs they hate. Some of those people like me find strength through bands like God Forbid to make it through another day. So God bless you and other artists who make great music.
I don’t hate GF in the least. I became a fan with Earthsblood too and if you are checking out the
older stuff I’d personally recomend Constitution of Treason. You can’t do a whole lot better then
that.
I think most of the hate is directed at Dallas the blog writer, not Dallas the musician and this is
because he comes across a little sanctimonious and douchey. GF is tits though.
no talkin shit from me. earths blood is a sweet album.
only thing i was a bit dissapointed you left the band. but whatever, keep on rocking somewheres.
The thing that makes me talk shit about a band is a certain feeling of injustice(or maybe its even jealousy), when there’s a band that sells loads off albums but makes mediocre (metal)music(Five Finger Death Punch, Slipknot, Bullet For My Valentine) I start to dislike them because there are, simply said, much better bands around that don’t have the same amount of (commercial) succes (Orphaned Land, Artillery, Mekong Delta etc. heck even Anvil). I think that makes me talk shit the most.
Also, about daily influences…I’m an amateur comedian/actor, my influences are from Jerry Seinfeld, Richard Pryor, Dave Chapelle, Metal in general, Theo Maassen etc. Some people notice a similar style, but that’s what happens: you take the influences and form your piece off artwork.
I’ve read all your blog’s on this site, and I think it’s your best entry yet. Job well done!
I like talking shit, that’s why I talk shit. It’s fun for me, I do it outside of the internet as well, to people’s faces, in public. The internet just allows me a greater ability to reach multiple areas of shit talking (ie. music, political, social, etc.).
on the voice of God Forbid’s music, Determination and Reject The Sickness have influenced me greatly, so thank you.
God Forbid were always 2 steps higher on the metalcore ladder than most bands, but three steps lower than the real heavy hitters
You know, Dallas, I have to say: I’ve never been a big fan of your music and I’m not a big fan of your blog but I happened to read this one and it was a great read. I’m not a fan of shit talking because I think it’s really stupid. Just because I don’t like something doesn’t mean it sucks. As I said, I’m not a fan of your music. I’ve tried and, playing guitar for 9 years myself, I respect the musicianship that goes into the music of God Forbid. It’s just not my cup of tea. I know that there’s a lot of people that dig your music (the people that run this website being no exception) and that’s cool. After reading this blog I have a lot of respect for the things you said. Don’t let the haters hold you back from what you want to do. Fuck ‘em! They’re not worth pleasing!
God Forbid never made it huge cause their singer is monotone and Dallas you didn’t sing enough on gone forever…maybe you should have went to Melissa Cross earlier, boss.
Just ignore internet tough guys. Great post btw.
It’s easier to say ‘fuck you’ than it is to say ‘I love you’.
I respect God Forbid but their music sounds a little forced to me. That’s my opinion.
Why did Phallus get kicked out of Lamb of Forbid to begin with??? Was it because you wrote shitty metalcore songs?
Of course all music produced is influenced by other music that preceded it; this is a given. And the line between “influenced by” and “imitation” can be gray.
Regardless, I don’t know what Dallas’ point was, other then to vent his butthurt against those he feels slighted him by doing some shit-talking of his own. This bravado chest-beating culminated with:
“Had first rate pussy… And I mean eleven on the Richter Scale type pussy.”
and in the comments:
“Good pussy kills some peoples hearts. This blog was a dagger, and I was trying to DIG DEEP! If you’re digging deep, always, always rely on Good PUSSY! Would you complain if pantera said it?”
lol, wow…basically admitting that he’s using his experiences with “good pussy” (which I don’t doubt) to insult and cause jealousy to those he feels offended by. What is this, High School?
It’s impossible to take Dallas seriously. He’s like a little boy throwing a tantrum.
yap.. “waaa waaa you hurt ma feelings, but you got cancer! ha i win!”
Yo Dallas, I’m really happy for you and imma let you finish, but Kanye had one of the best rants of all time!!!
lol…you win.