Comments on: “PUNK’S NOT DEAD…” http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/09/25/punks-not-dead/ IS FOR LOVERS Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:29:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: INKstar http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/09/25/punks-not-dead/#comment-319195 INKstar Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:48:54 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=21427#comment-319195 You took my pride, you took my passion and turned it into fashion! FUCK! You took my pride,
you took my passion
and turned it into fashion!

FUCK!

]]> By: stu1 http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/09/25/punks-not-dead/#comment-314859 stu1 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:41:11 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=21427#comment-314859 The designer is male. The designer is male.

]]> By: stu1 http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/09/25/punks-not-dead/#comment-314855 stu1 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:40:30 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=21427#comment-314855 I was wrong, he's not dead. The rest stands. I was wrong, he’s not dead. The rest stands.

]]> By: stu1 http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/09/25/punks-not-dead/#comment-314024 stu1 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:07:41 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=21427#comment-314024 I see LOTS of young kids around in metal shirts on the streets AND at shows. I see LOTS of young kids around in metal shirts on the streets AND at shows.

]]> By: stu1 http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/09/25/punks-not-dead/#comment-314022 stu1 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:05:47 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=21427#comment-314022 John- definitely. Or at least very d-beat influenced in Tragedy's case. John- definitely. Or at least very d-beat influenced in Tragedy’s case.

]]> By: John http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/09/25/punks-not-dead/#comment-313133 John Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:22:17 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=21427#comment-313133 Gonna have to agree that torche isn't anything close to a dbeat band. I like Torche, but dbeat is bands like disfear, victims, discharge and tragedy.. Gonna have to agree that torche isn’t anything close to a dbeat band. I like Torche, but dbeat is bands like disfear, victims, discharge and tragedy..

]]> By: John http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/09/25/punks-not-dead/#comment-313128 John Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:15:14 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=21427#comment-313128 My girlfriend actually does a pretty good job of that. My girlfriend actually does a pretty good job of that.

]]> By: John http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/09/25/punks-not-dead/#comment-313126 John Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:13:58 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=21427#comment-313126 Most educated opinion yet. Most educated opinion yet.

]]> By: Sean Pulatie http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/09/25/punks-not-dead/#comment-312984 Sean Pulatie Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:27:39 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=21427#comment-312984 I don't have a problem with anything sold at Target, Walmart, or any mass retailer. If you can get your metal fix and frozen burritos (burritoes?) a little cheaper there, then more power to you. What I have a problem with is how many of these kids I'll stop and say, "Oh, so you're into _______ ", and they'll have no clue who I'm talking about. They simply bought the shirt because it's the newest thing. For some reason, wearing shirts with classic rock/metal/punk bands on them has become a new fad (at least around here), and NONE of the kids wearing them know a goddamn thing about the band or, for that matter, have even heard of them. If there happen to be 12-year-olds around your city that actually know about music, that's awesome. Around here, though, we're not so lucky. I don’t have a problem with anything sold at Target, Walmart, or any mass retailer. If you can get your metal fix and frozen burritos (burritoes?) a little cheaper there, then more power to you.

What I have a problem with is how many of these kids I’ll stop and say, “Oh, so you’re into _______ “, and they’ll have no clue who I’m talking about. They simply bought the shirt because it’s the newest thing. For some reason, wearing shirts with classic rock/metal/punk bands on them has become a new fad (at least around here), and NONE of the kids wearing them know a goddamn thing about the band or, for that matter, have even heard of them.

If there happen to be 12-year-olds around your city that actually know about music, that’s awesome. Around here, though, we’re not so lucky.

]]> By: stu1 http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/09/25/punks-not-dead/#comment-312575 stu1 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:30:18 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=21427#comment-312575 You might want to do a little research on Ed Hardy. The man, Ed Hardy, is one of the most well known and respected tattoo artists of all time. He, nor his family, has anything to do with the clothing line. A designer bought his name and art to use from his estate. (Ed, the man, is dead.) So please don't aim your anger at "the idiot Ed Hardy." It's the same situation as the "Von Dutch" craze a few years back. What's wrong with kids buying metal shirts at Target? I don't see a problem with it, and I think you'd be surprised at what young metal kids know about the classics. Just because Target's the only place a 12 year old can get his metal shirts and CDs doesn't make him any less "real" than you. You might want to do a little research on Ed Hardy. The man, Ed Hardy, is one of the most well known and respected tattoo artists of all time. He, nor his family, has anything to do with the clothing line. A designer bought his name and art to use from his estate. (Ed, the man, is dead.) So please don’t aim your anger at “the idiot Ed Hardy.” It’s the same situation as the “Von Dutch” craze a few years back.
What’s wrong with kids buying metal shirts at Target? I don’t see a problem with it, and I think you’d be surprised at what young metal kids know about the classics. Just because Target’s the only place a 12 year old can get his metal shirts and CDs doesn’t make him any less “real” than you.

]]> By: \m/Eluveitie\m/ http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/09/25/punks-not-dead/#comment-312551 \m/Eluveitie\m/ Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:37:00 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=21427#comment-312551 They sell Priest shirts at Target? I was just there, call me next time! They sell Priest shirts at Target? I was just there, call me next time!

]]> By: stu1 http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/09/25/punks-not-dead/#comment-312546 stu1 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:26:19 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=21427#comment-312546 I just double checked, and I don't think Tiger Army really played at all this year. They have their annual Halloween shows coming up but I can't find anything else they've done since late last year. I just double checked, and I don’t think Tiger Army really played at all this year. They have their annual Halloween shows coming up but I can’t find anything else they’ve done since late last year.

]]> By: Sean Pulatie http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/09/25/punks-not-dead/#comment-312534 Sean Pulatie Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:53:54 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=21427#comment-312534 As long as there's music, there will be idiots like Ed Hardy who will try to make a buck off it. Ed Hardy doesn't know the next thing about punk. That doesn't mean it's dead. It's kind of like these fucking 12-year-olds I see wearing Judas Priest shirts that they bought at Target. Really? Do you know the next thing about Priest and what they did for metal? Of course not. That doesn't mean metal's dead. Metal will be alive as long as there are pissed off kids, and punk will be alive as long as there are pissed off kids who can't play guitar solos. As long as there’s music, there will be idiots like Ed Hardy who will try to make a buck off it. Ed Hardy doesn’t know the next thing about punk. That doesn’t mean it’s dead. It’s kind of like these fucking 12-year-olds I see wearing Judas Priest shirts that they bought at Target. Really? Do you know the next thing about Priest and what they did for metal? Of course not. That doesn’t mean metal’s dead. Metal will be alive as long as there are pissed off kids, and punk will be alive as long as there are pissed off kids who can’t play guitar solos.

]]> By: stu1 http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/09/25/punks-not-dead/#comment-312514 stu1 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:53:17 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=21427#comment-312514 Nick from Tiger Army is concentrating on his solo career at this point. I realize "they" still tour, but as I understand it, they're going "off" for a while. I mean, Tiger Army is just Nick, anyway, but he's supposedly focusing on his country career. Post-hardcore is generally considered the sound of bands like Quicksand, Fugazi to some extent, At The Drive In, etc. Sure, it's a subgenre of punk in a greater sense, but I would never call them a "punk" band. No, you're way off calling them anything close to D beat, dude. They tour with lots of bands that could fall under that (Coliseum for one) but you can't tell me anything they recorded sounds like Discharge, Disfear, etc. Torche are really almost like a very heavy mainstream rock band. The band on Deathwish is called "Victims," not "the Victims," which is why I wasn't sure if we were speaking of the same band, which we are. They are more of a "d beat" band than Torche. Nick from Tiger Army is concentrating on his solo career at this point. I realize “they” still tour, but as I understand it, they’re going “off” for a while. I mean, Tiger Army is just Nick, anyway, but he’s supposedly focusing on his country career.
Post-hardcore is generally considered the sound of bands like Quicksand, Fugazi to some extent, At The Drive In, etc. Sure, it’s a subgenre of punk in a greater sense, but I would never call them a “punk” band.
No, you’re way off calling them anything close to D beat, dude. They tour with lots of bands that could fall under that (Coliseum for one) but you can’t tell me anything they recorded sounds like Discharge, Disfear, etc. Torche are really almost like a very heavy mainstream rock band.
The band on Deathwish is called “Victims,” not “the Victims,” which is why I wasn’t sure if we were speaking of the same band, which we are. They are more of a “d beat” band than Torche.

]]> By: BigJoe http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/09/25/punks-not-dead/#comment-312435 BigJoe Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:21:10 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=21427#comment-312435 Thanks Stu1! I didn’t realize my little half-assed post would elicit such a response!! Perhaps it was somewhat lazy. Admittedly I don’t research every band I listen to. I am just trying to point out was that there are some great ‘punk rock’ bands out there to get excited about. Punk is not dead. A few notes… 1) I didn’t literally mean that Blink/GD/GC were Disney bands. I just meant that they sound like them. 2) What I meant by drowning out the underground is that the second a Blink/GD/GC disc is released, they receive heavy radio airplay, print coverage, etc… Not true for the other bands I listed, although they are deserving of such exposure. Good underground punk bands don’t have a chance. 3) I was unaware that Forgotten/Dillinger 4/Tiger Army had been around that long, so thanks for that info. 4) Tiger Army is very much still together. They had put out a pretty good disc in 07’ and still tour today. 5) I’m not too excited about labels. Goes Cube sounds punk to me. I honestly don’t even know (or care) what ‘post hardcore’ means. 5) Torche reminds me of many of the d-beat bands. I might be off but not ‘way fucking off’. Its not like I said that the Jonas Brothers sound like a d-beat band. 6) I was referring the The Victims who released 'Killer' off of Deathwish earlier this year. It's fuckin' awesome! Thanks Stu1! I didn’t realize my little half-assed post would elicit such a response!! Perhaps it was somewhat lazy. Admittedly I don’t research every band I listen to. I am just trying to point out was that there are some great ‘punk rock’ bands out there to get excited about. Punk is not dead. A few notes…

1) I didn’t literally mean that Blink/GD/GC were Disney bands. I just meant that they sound like them.
2) What I meant by drowning out the underground is that the second a Blink/GD/GC disc is released, they receive heavy radio airplay, print coverage, etc… Not true for the other bands I listed, although they are deserving of such exposure. Good underground punk bands don’t have a chance.
3) I was unaware that Forgotten/Dillinger 4/Tiger Army had been around that long, so thanks for that info.
4) Tiger Army is very much still together. They had put out a pretty good disc in 07’ and still tour today.
5) I’m not too excited about labels. Goes Cube sounds punk to me. I honestly don’t even know (or care) what ‘post hardcore’ means.
5) Torche reminds me of many of the d-beat bands. I might be off but not ‘way fucking off’. Its not like I said that the Jonas Brothers sound like a d-beat band.
6) I was referring the The Victims who released ‘Killer’ off of Deathwish earlier this year. It’s fuckin’ awesome!

]]> By: RobotScythe http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/09/25/punks-not-dead/#comment-312287 RobotScythe Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:46:14 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=21427#comment-312287 Denis Leary just stole Bill Hicks material like a fiend. ABout 75% of his "No Cure For Cancer" album is Hicks material. And Carlin did those commercials because he owed the IRS big-time. Denis Leary just stole Bill Hicks material like a fiend. ABout 75% of his “No Cure For Cancer” album is Hicks material.

And Carlin did those commercials because he owed the IRS big-time.

]]> By: stu1 http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/09/25/punks-not-dead/#comment-312190 stu1 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:48:16 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=21427#comment-312190 I'[m sure the older stuff, and misprinted shit, sure. I’[m sure the older stuff, and misprinted shit, sure.

]]> By: stu1 http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/09/25/punks-not-dead/#comment-312187 stu1 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:47:16 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=21427#comment-312187 I'd hoped other people picked up on that, too. I’d hoped other people picked up on that, too.

]]> By: stu1 http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/09/25/punks-not-dead/#comment-312186 stu1 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:46:22 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=21427#comment-312186 You sort of seem to have a clue, but it's really off base. 1) none of those bands are ACTUALLY disney bands, but there are plenty out there. GC isn't even really active anymore I don't think. But, how do they drown out the underground? I know of hundreds of other well known punk acts out there. 2) yes, it's a super diverse genre, with many subgenres, many of which cross into metal. 3) Forgotten are at least 10 years old and have already seen their "hey day." Time Again is a cheap Rancid knock off. Authority Zero were a major label NOFXish type band who are enjoying minimal success on an indie, Victims (if we're speaking of the same act) are great, Vivian girls are KINDA punk,Goes Cube aren't punk at all; they're a straight up post hardcore band. Don't know Ida maria. Marked Men are a very cool garagy punk band. Dillinger Four have been around for almost 15 years and their best albums are way behind them. It's like siting Anthrax as one of the best metal bands today. Scars On Broadway I'm not that familiar with but was never that motivated to check out to be honest. Tiger Army, again, another band who's been around for a decade whose work is certainly up for appraisal and is barely even together at this point. But, they were definitely in the "mainstream" to some extent. Don't know Automatic x2. No Age isn't a punk band. They are in the real loose definition and that's it. Streetlight are a GARBAGE ska-punk band riding off the success the singer had in his previous band. Not good. As for Disfear and Torche, two bands I like a lot: Disfear are obviously part of the "d beat" thing, thus their name. However, to say Torche have ANYTHING near a "d beat" sound in them is totally and completely off base. Do you KNOW what "d beat" is or have you ever heard Torche??? Holy shit you are way fucking off. You sort of seem to have a clue, but it’s really off base.
1) none of those bands are ACTUALLY disney bands, but there are plenty out there. GC isn’t even really active anymore I don’t think. But, how do they drown out the underground? I know of hundreds of other well known punk acts out there.
2) yes, it’s a super diverse genre, with many subgenres, many of which cross into metal.
3) Forgotten are at least 10 years old and have already seen their “hey day.” Time Again is a cheap Rancid knock off. Authority Zero were a major label NOFXish type band who are enjoying minimal success on an indie, Victims (if we’re speaking of the same act) are great, Vivian girls are KINDA punk,Goes Cube aren’t punk at all; they’re a straight up post hardcore band. Don’t know Ida maria. Marked Men are a very cool garagy punk band. Dillinger Four have been around for almost 15 years and their best albums are way behind them. It’s like siting Anthrax as one of the best metal bands today. Scars On Broadway I’m not that familiar with but was never that motivated to check out to be honest. Tiger Army, again, another band who’s been around for a decade whose work is certainly up for appraisal and is barely even together at this point. But, they were definitely in the “mainstream” to some extent. Don’t know Automatic x2. No Age isn’t a punk band. They are in the real loose definition and that’s it. Streetlight are a GARBAGE ska-punk band riding off the success the singer had in his previous band. Not good.
As for Disfear and Torche, two bands I like a lot: Disfear are obviously part of the “d beat” thing, thus their name. However, to say Torche have ANYTHING near a “d beat” sound in them is totally and completely off base. Do you KNOW what “d beat” is or have you ever heard Torche??? Holy shit you are way fucking off.

]]> By: stu1 http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/09/25/punks-not-dead/#comment-312171 stu1 Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:34:03 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=21427#comment-312171 You lose, big time. You lose, big time.

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