GLENN BECK WARFARE

Thursday, October 1st, 2009 at 11:30am by Axl Rosenberg

Glenn Beck is an idiot. I know some readers think we’re too left here at MetalSucks, but even if we weren’t relatively liberal, Glenn Beck would still be an idiot. There’s no way around that. There are intelligent people on the right with legitimate political ideals that differ from those of the left, but Glenn Beck is just an asshole. He routinely lies, contradicts things he’s said in the past for the sake of advancing his own agenda, and seems to be part of this growing movement to incite violence against his political opponents. So, sorry. I have nothing nice to say about the man.

So. Ziltoid sent us this video of Insect Warfare’s “Internet Era Alienation” laid over footage of Beck. Zilty told us that “I’m indifferent to the music, but Glenn Beck is an idiot, so I enjoyed this;” and I actually like the music, so it’s double the fun for me. Thanks, Zilty!

Insect Warfare actually start a semi-reunion tour (original singer Rahi isn’t taking part for reasons I’m not clear on) of the UK & Ireland tonight. Get dates here.

-AR

Tags: Glenn Beck, INSECT WARFARE,

You Don’t Know Me

This made my morning! I hate Glenn Beck (and Tucker Carlson too, but that’s another rant for another time). This was hilarious!
http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Uber/169800969 Chris Uber

“He routinely lies, contradicts things he’s said in the past for the sake of advancing his own agenda, and seems to be part of this growing movement to incite violence against his political opponents.”

I thought the video was kind of funny but I’ve yet to see any of the evidence for the above statement. If you’d care to elaborate and post links of vids to prove your point that would perhaps sway me into the same line of thinking. That being said, I agree with a lot he has talked about.

http://pandasdestroy.com Greg

“He routinely lies, contradicts things he’s said…”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiPYSwmxUco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNE0vHXCIUQ

“Part of this growing movement to incite violence…”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctwqnkWdCJg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXseFquUxMY
http://www.facebook.com/people/Harrington-Neil-Sauer/677600672 Harrington Neil Sauer

I’m with you on that chris, i’ve watched his show since he was on hnn and have listened to his radio show pretty routinely, and i fail to see his lies. sure, he is kind of a fear mongerer which i dont get. But at the same time so was thomas paine and now we idolize him in america. Beck is full of good ideas, he’s definitely not a neo-con and he doesnt incite violence. It was actually funny because I watched his show the other day and he was showing the protests from lefties outside the G20 compared to his “violent” tea parties. Im sure people wouldn’t be hatin on Beck if all of the media out there(with the exception of talk radio, who the only people who listen are in a senior center and my self) wasn’t so god damn biased. It’s a fucking shame, and I know we’re not alone on that because all my metal friends are conservative(notice I didn’t say republican, we’re smarter than that) so stand up and be heard conservative metalheads

g

there’s nothing wrong with conservatism inherently. its the nationalist, racist, homophobic, hypocritical, uneducated “low information voters” that elect conservative politicians that destroy any chance of a sensible government.

that said, if you watch glenn beck and see nothing wrong with what he says and pass him off as MERELY a “fear monger”, i have to assume you at least partly fit the description i just mentioned. no one who is actually educated in the facts of american government and politics would stand up for what beck says as reflecting a realistic interpretation of actual events.

i was just at dinner the other night and overheard a group of middle-aged southern wives reciting the fox news talking point about how the “mainstream media” (an ironic characterization given fox’s network status and ratings) didn’t cover the DC “teabag” protests even though there were “1.5 million people” there. i had a hard time in restraining myself from calmly explaining to them that when your sources of information are cable news and talk radio (no matter which station/network you watch/listen to) your facts are probably wrong, so before you go out and act outraged with your similarly outraged friends and repeat network talking points, you might want to consult information done by ACTUAL REPORTERS not event promoters who cover the events they promote as news (as a metal corollary, think of all the teenagers who read blabbermouth thinking its ‘metal reporters’ writing articles about ‘metal news’ and not a collection of paid press releases).

Sammy

Not to mention the fact that Fox lied about CNN not covering the 9/12 rally. Fox even used the fucking CNN camera shot in their advertisement criticizing CNN. CNN sent not one, not two, not three, but FOUR reporters to the 9/12 rally and had regular on-the-scene reports.

But unlike Fox, they just reported the news, they didn’t promote the event.

Sammy

1) Beck stated, on air, after his hemorrhoid surgery, that if our health care system doesn’t save you it will kill you. Now he states, on air, that there is nothing wrong with our health care system.
2) Beck said President Obama, who is half white, has a “deep seeded hatred of white people”.
3) Beck stated that the 9/12 rally in Washington had 1.7 million people when it had already been established by the D.C. Fire Dept. that the crowd was under 100,000.
4) Beck fanned the flames of the czar fears, telling his fans that Obama is skirting the representative power of our country by appointing “czars”. “Czar” is a media-created term; Bush had at least 32 such “czars”; Reagan appointed the most powerful czar ever – the drug czar; czars have no legislative power – they are advisory positions.
5) Beck ran with the ACORN story of the ACORN employee who had killed her husband, EVEN AFTER it was found out she was punking the undercover filmmakers.
6) Beck stated that Sonja Sotomayor had a liberal record as a judge when in fact her 4,000 decisions were mostly apolitical and even moderate when covering political issues.
7) Beck stated several times on his show that Van Jones rioted, and went to prison, during the Rodney King trial. Untrue on both accounts.
8) Beck stated that ACORN was set to receive 8 billion dollars of federal money. Totally untrue. In fact, over the past 25 years, ACORN received an average of two MILLION dollars per year.

This is just from the top of my head. I could research some more if you’d like. Beck is like Hannity on steroids. Of course, Hannity is a liar too, having taken several videos of Obama speaking and editing out parts of the videos to make it appear he’s said (or not said) certain things. I have no problem with differences of opinion – I’m an independent moderate – but when you purposely twist the truth and blatantly lie to push a political agenda, you lose all credibility.

\m/Eluveitie\m/

“when you purposely twist the truth and blatantly lie to push a political agenda, you lose all credibility”

So there is no credibility anywhere whatsoever. Which I think everyone knew anyway.

DidgeryDo

That ^

bucketochicken

Glenn Beck should be flayed with a hot flensing knife and force-fed his own skin and then left in the Utah salt flats to be slowly picked apart by beetles & buzzards.

Um yeah… I’m uh, not a fan.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Uber/169800969 Chris Uber

Thats pretty weak.

bucketochicken

So is jingoism.

DidgeryDo

Uh yeah wasn’t AR just saying Beck was a tool for inciting violence against
his political opponents?……

\m/Eluveitie\m/

I’m an avid Beck supporter…both Glenn Beck and Beck Hansen

\m/Eluveitie\m/

And Jeff Beck too

DidgeryDo

If you really liked Beck you’d get his newish album Guerolito

http://myspace.com/biosyn teaches_of_peaches

Get with the times, bud. His newest album is Modern Guilt

DidgeryDo

Oh shit really? My friend sent Guerolita my way and I just kinda
assumed it was new.
http://uponwingsofblack.blogspot.com/ \m/Eluveitie\m/

Which kicks ass
DidgeryDo

Shit I want this other album now.

cougar party

Those close ups on his sickly, unshaven face are pretty disturbing.

DidgeryDo

Michael Moore doesn’t even need a close-up to produce that effect.

cougar party

Yeah, Moore definitely takes the cake for grossest, unkempt, partisan douche.

DidgeryDo

Anne Coulter is the opposite but I still can’t stand hearing her speak sometimes.

cougar party

I don’t know. I put both Coulter in Moore in the same boat. They both make their living making outrageous statements based on only a fraction of truth and skewing it to their own interest. They have found an audience and know that if they just do or say something that will get people paying attention to them, they’ll sell a shitload of tickets/books because they are so “contraversial”.

The biggest thing is that they don’t care about making our country better, they care about taking shots at the other side of the aisle and benefiting from it. They thrive on the conflict and fuel the fire. Look how impotent and useless Washington is now that the Democrats and Republicans absolutely hate each other. Unless they can figure a way to calm the fuck down and find some middle ground, we’re fucked.
DidgeryDo

All completely true. Only thing is I think Coulter is slightly better
because Michael Moore does not even beleive anything he says
whereas I don’t doubt for a minute that Coulter is a right-winger.
DidgeryDo

That’s what I’m saying. Unfortunately a lot of members of the left
are like this. Leftist ideas can sometimes be so stupid and
unrealistic even the speakers themselves don’t beleive it. They
are just riding on the dummies beneath them.

Here is Moore with his Haliburton stock!!
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/11/3/150518.shtml
jaime

yea, but michael moore has bigger boobs than anne coulter :::rimshot::::
cougar party

I’ll give you that. Moore is definately more deceptive. At least Ann Coulter probably believes all the shit she says.
DidgeryDo

I especially like the one where he goes to London in a Concorde jet and
stays at the Ritz but also books a room in a cheap hotel down the street
where he could meet with journalists and pose as a “man of humble
circumstances.”

What a fucking asshole.
Polska

I’d say the only difference is that Coulter makes shit up that pisses me off, whereas Moore makes shit up that just makes him look like an asshole

DidgeryDo

Any strongly opinionated pundit on one side of the spectrum is going to be hated by people on the other side so this blog post is completely meaningless to me unless people from the right start saying they hate him. Regardless of whether he is a tool or not, as long as he speaks for the right the left will call him a tool no matter what.

I mean any conservative would probably say the same things about Al Franken or ESPECIALLY Michael Moore.

Only in truth Moore is not an idiot. Actually he just beleives his followers are idiots. For instance look at the extremely ironic gala he used as an opening for his newest douche-u-mentary. He goes on for the entire film railing against capitalism and this party he threw for the opening REEKS of hypocrisy.

“The event, hosted by Esquire, doubled as the launch of the magazine’s “Ultimate Bachelor Pad,” a fully tricked-out, 11-room, nine-bathroom, 9,200-square-foot signature penthouse in SoHo, filled with flatscreens, sleek, modern furniture and luxury brands—each room meticulously designed around an advertisers’ theme. (The Hugo Boss bedroom! The Heineken lounge! The Lufthansa kitchen!)

As Esquire publisher Kevin O’Malley explains in the Esquire SoHo brochure, part of the reason that the magazine does this every year—alternating between New York and L.A.—is to meet its “advertisers’ growing need to create relevant and innovative new consumer touchpoints for their brands. Our affluent readers share a range of passions: a real desire for the best-of-class products and services that our advertisers represent.”

In other words, the pinnacle of capitalism. A fantasy in capital excess. A byproduct of the corporate greed Moore rails against in the film. ”

http://www.moorewatch.com/

This guy obviously does not live as he preaches. He’s like one of those televangelists who goes to a motel doing lines of coke off strippers and then on Sunday waves his fat sanctimonious finger dissaprovingly at “sinners” . Moore fans need to deal with the fact that he’s just a clever motherucker making a mint off your idiocy.

Glen Beck might be a tool but at least we have no reason to beleive he is anything other then what he says he is. Moore fans are such tards to fall for his crap.

DidgeryDo

I know you are listening AR. What do you think about this?

Kuranes

I hate that fucker.

DidgeryDo

Who Beck or Moore. Beck is just obnoxious which is true of 99 percent of political commentators
anyways. I think Moore is something far more sinister and wrong.

http://www.thrashhits.com/ HughDoVoodoo

I’m going to Insect Warfare tonight. AMAZING, etc.
DidgeryDo

I just want to ask. Is there ANYBODY here who is dumb enough to read what I posted about Moore and still
think you should fatten that asshole even further by going to his new movie? Anyone that dumb? If so anything you say about Glenn will be a compliment coming from someone that boobish.
Zoker

Have you guys ever heard of a man called Berlusconi? The description that Axl made of Glenn Beck would perfectly fit on him… except… he is the leader here in Italy because… y’know… we are a bunch of motherfuckers.
Ziltoid

Glenn Beck should be the vocalist for Silence.

Death – Pierce Me has the most laughable set of harsh vocals I’ve heard in a serious band.

Example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KmJjmkCdig

Ziltoid

*Silencer. Damn typos

Itheus

Well Nattram DID end up in the looney bin (supposedly). Coincidence?
jason

Zilty, I’m just impressed that you admitted ambivalence towards something instead of just saying “it’s awful” :)

DaylightReckoning

Axl is a socialist with a deep seated hatred of white people and crabcore.

DidgeryDo

You do realize that far left leaning people are branded socialists for two reasons.

1.) constantly bitching about the current system although since they present no viable alternative
( which is exactly what somebody who bitches needs to do to avoid being a windbag)
socialist is just the default label used for those who are too dumb to know you need to have a
solution or shut up with complaints.

2.) they actually beleive in things that are in fact socialist.

Jimmy

But then again, we also enjoy the socialized post office, police force, fire fighters, water, garbage removal, etc.

DidgeryDo

While we do like social programs we are hesitant towards socialization. This
is because while socialism is most popularly known asan ideology it is also
defined as a progression.

Communism is meant to completely knock over a government and replace the
new system.

Socialism is different because it is known to start as capitalist and can change
to the new system without destroying the existing government. Instead it is
changed incrementally. This is why the right freaks out over little incremnetal
changes.
We as Americans have decided we would allow Socialism to exist
in the ways that you defined but are constantly wary that this system
if left unchecked will become too socialist and turn into the very world our
founding fathers tried so hard to avoid by giving people so much power and governemt
so many checks and balances.
The end result of this progression in my opinion will allways be an abusive dictatorship.
The power becomes increasingly
centralized and left unchecked the ruling regime totalitarian. The people
on the other hand would be cattle. There would be no individual and that
to me is the most offensive thing about either Socialism or Communism.

http://Www.hibernum.net Hibernum

I sometimes wonder why people who listen to rebellious, anti-Christian, anti-authoritian music would like a conformist Christian authoritarian. Can anyone explain this to me?

DidgeryDo

Not only do you have no clue about metal but also politics.

OK let’s disect this.

Conformist – The left is all about getting everyone to think exactly like them. If you harbor any different
opinion you are a castaway. Look at Bruce Willis in Hollywood. It does not get anymore conformist then Hollywood for sure.

Christian – Really not all metal is anti-Christian. What’s the freakin point anyways. Once upon a time it was good for shock value but at this point so few people are Christian that it doesn’t matter. Why attack
their worldview anyways? If they need a myth to live their lives positively so be it. Why the fuck
do you care asshole?

Authoritarian – Oh God please. The left is no less “authoritarian” and if you don’t see this you
are mentally diseased.

http://www.hibernum.net hibernum

When did I say anything about the left? Do you think Glen Beck approves of pot smoking fornicators (aka 90% of all metalheads)? Are you some sort of retard?

DidgeryDo

No but it is very intuitive to infer that from what you said espcially when someone
who hates the right is a lefty at least 90 percent of the time.

http://www.hibernum.net hibernum

Shorter DidgeryDo: I am an illiterate moron trying to backtrack my way out of stupid!
DidgeryDo

Shorter Hibernum: I’m a jackass who can’t see the obvious
undertones of my own moronic statements!

DidgeryDo

So let’s see how badly you misunderstand metal…..

Conformist: Your a complete dummy if you don’t know how particular the metal scene is about having
things a certain way. Is there conformity within metal? Seriously are you dumb enough to even ask
that? Besides if you were right about all metal being those three things, that would mean they
are VERY conformist.

Anti-Christian: This is mostly black metal. And that shit is pure awfullness.

Anti-Authoritarian: Again this is anyone who exudes some kind of authority. Does metal do this…..
Abso-friggin-lutely that shit is in your face!

Besides that “anti-authoritarian” does not mean you are a liberal that hates the right.
It means you are anarchist that hates both and also an idiot.

http://www.hibernum.net hibernum

“Is there conformity within metal?”

Corrosion of Conformity. You lose.

“This is mostly black metal.”

Let’s see there is Sepultura, Slayer, Death, Morbid Angel, Mercyful Fate, King Diamond, At The Gates, Nevermore, etc. etc. not black metal anti-Christian bands. It’s like you’ve heard of heavy metal before and are just here to shill for Glen Beck.

“Again this is anyone who exudes some kind of authority. Does metal do this…..”

Heavy Metal authority? Where? Please cite an example, I am very curious of this!

DidgeryDo

““Is there conformity within metal?”

Corrosion of Conformity. You lose.

DEFINING ALL METAL ON THE BASIS OF ONE BAND. YOU LOSE.

“This is mostly black metal.”

Let’s see there is Sepultura, Slayer, Death, Morbid Angel, Mercyful Fate, King Diamond, At The Gates, Nevermore, etc. etc. not black metal anti-Christian bands. It’s like you’ve heard of heavy metal before and are just here to shill for Glen Beck.

THE ANTI-CHRISTIAN ONES ARE VASTLY OUTNUMBERED BY THE ONES
THAT ARE NOT. BESIDES THAT SOME ARE ACTUALLY PRO-CHRISTIAN.
AGAIN YOU LOSE.

“Again this is anyone who exudes some kind of authority. Does metal do this…..”

Heavy Metal authority? Where? Please cite an example, I am very curious of this!

APPARENTLY YOU THINK YOU ARE ONE. BESIDES THAT YOU NOT ONLY
MISUNDERSTOOD THE STATEMENT YOU ALSO TOOK IT OUT OF CONTEXT BY
NOT INCLUDING WHAT FOLLOWED.

EPIC FAIL :)

DidgeryDo

Even if you were right about all metal bands being anti-conformist
anti-christian and anti-authoritarian then
THAT MEANS THEY ARE ALL THE SAME AND THEREFORE
CONFORMIST YOU STUPID FUCK! EITHER WAY YOUR WRONG!
http://www.hibernum.net hibernum

Hahahaha! I like you. This is hilarious. I love how your arguments are TYPING ALL CAPS instead of actual evidence. I can see how a moron like you is easily persuaded by just so stories. They call this “motivated reasoning”. Hey, I’ve got some real estate for sale that might interest you. A real steal! Hahahah. My argument is CAPS LOCK FTW! Hahahah.
DidgeryDo

I think it’s even more retarded to focus on the font as if that has
any real bearing.
DidgeryDo

BTW I used caps there because regualr text, and quotation marks
were allready used in the same post so that was about setting
my remarks apart from the rest NOT emphasis like you suggest.

Ignorance FTL!
jason

You sir are an idiot, and a blow-hard. Being a psuedo-intellectual doesn’t make you any less of a troll. Get fucked, clown.
DidgeryDo

Actually I’m flattered you call me psuedo-intelectual. Most people
miss the meaning and just use it against someone who appears
smart that they disagree with.
DidgeryDo

So I’m guessing “gaining perspective” would probably
involve agreeing with what you think right?
DidgeryDo

I’m not polarizing either. Really it’s this site that’s polarizing. They take
the subject of metal and completely unecessarily inject their politics
into it.

The same douches complaining about FOX News bias( which is pretty
much the ONLY station that has that viewpoint vs. all the others
which are liberal) exhibits the SAME bias in their OWN FUCKING SITE.

To make matters worse this is about MUSIC not fucking politics.

Heaven forbid you say something bad about socialism at a
metal site…..Fucking hypocritical assfucks.

THE WORD SOCIALISM GETS YOU MODDED HERE!!!!

YO AXL YOU DON’t HAVE SHIT TO SAY ABOUT FOX WHEN
YOU DO THE EXACT SAME THINGS WITH YOUR OWN SITE
YOU FUCKING CLOWN.
jason

While I don’t question your intelligence, I do think you lack perspective. That said, you do seem to have quite a talent for getting folks riled up…just another polarizing personality in the MS community I suppose.
jason

Not at all. I think your arrogance is a symptom of youth and I hope that you can one day meter it and focus your wit towards something more productive than slamming people on internet forums.
DidgeryDo

Well you are absolutely right that I could do more productive things
with my efforts but if that’s what my life was all about
I would not play guitar, videogames or anything fun for that matter.
I would only fuck women to make babies.

Also I know arrogance is a youthful trait but unfortunately some of us
never quite shake it. When it comes to me I feel like sugar coating
what I say is a form of deception so I choose the arrogance
of bluntly stating what I perceive to be the truth. This may change
in time…..maybe not. We shall see.

Ryan

hahaha. Glenn Beck is hilarious. everytime i see him on tv I can’t help but wonder if any moment three men in white jackets will pull up in a truck and haul his ass off to the looney bin.
DemonicLemming

I’ll say this about Beck – his inherent message has merit. He is, personally, an asshole who will swap positions and use whatever it takes to keep his audience. He used to be a radio host….he’s an entertainer, not a political spokesman. That being said, there’s a lot of things said on his show that are true, that people have problems with simply because they don’t want to face up to the fact that both parties are absolute fucking shit, that Obama is a liar, and that blind political ignorance on the part of the voters is what’s gotten us where we are today. The biggest thing Beck advocates is that voters educate themselves and not listen to everything politicians say. The problem is, most people don’t understand why they need to be politically knowledgeable in order to vote….political races are nothing more than popularity contests about who can gold-plate their promises (that they’ll never keep if they get into office) the best to make the voters happy. Why campaign on the truth with most idiot voters will never bother to educate themselves?

Now, maybe if you leftist fuckers would admit that shitheads advocating your side of the political spectrum – people like Keith Olbermann and Michael Moore – are just as fucking inane and fail-tastic as Beck, you might pick up a tiny bit of political respect.

And, just to piss people off, Ann Coulter > *.

Sammy

Demonic, the problem is that every single video I saw of the Beck-sponsored rallies were of people who did NOT think for themselves. They listened to Beck without questioning a word he said. When asked exactly what a “czar” is, none could answer the question. They all just repeated the talking points.

You’re probably someone who thinks an independent or moderate is wishy washy or something, but I see us as people with healthy skepticism of both sides if the political spectrum. I think Moore is as much of an idiot as Beck and Hannity. He tells half truths to push his agenda the same way Hannity edits videos to “prove” his points.

However, I WILL tell you that when extreme leftists act, usually (with the exception of some tree huggers who drive spikes into trees) no one dies, but when extreme righties act, people die (abortion doctor murders, Oklahoma City bombings, et al). The mainstream Left dismisses the extreme left, while the mainstream right turns a blind eye and even embraces the far right (Michelle Bachman anyone?).

Sammy

And yes I’m sure you can find some examples of leftist extremists who have murdered, but this is not an argument you’ll win, because for every crazed lefty I’ll find 5 righties who did worse. And none of them have done the damage Timothy McVeigh did.
DemonicLemming

Yeah, there were plenty of idiots at the rallies Beck started, but the exact same thing could, and can, be said about all the Democratic rallies out there, and unlike some of the town hall meetings, where union goons beat up people dissenting with health care, I don’t recall anyone being injured during the 9/12 rally for having a differing opinion. I personally know a couple of people who went to protest who know more about politics than anyone in the White House does, and a lot of people who were there didn’t give a damn that it was a “Beck-sponsored” event. Of course the news channels weren’t going to interview anyone who would have been able to speak coherently, but at this point, that’s really no surprise – the media has never liked conservatives.

As far as pointing out “crazy left-wingers” who murdered people not being an argument I can win, I have one name. Hitler. How about the anti-abortion protesters who were recently killed? Your claim is without merit, baseless, and not even worth debating.

Sammy

Hitler? Are you serious? Just because “socialist” was in his party’s name doesn’t make him a liberal. He was a fascist. Fascism comes in both shades. It’s not liberals who hate blacks, Jews and non-whites.

And the videos of which I’m speaking weren’t on news channels.

DidgeryDo

It’s not just hyperbole when liberalism is compared to fascism. They
really do not tolerate anything other then complete compliance with
the agendas they push that they don’t even beleive in or practice
themselves.
DidgeryDo

Besides that even if Hitler is exempt you certainly cannot forget
Stalin who actually murdered MORE then Hitler.
DidgeryDo

How about this for fascist. Nearly every college and every news station
and our hollywood pop culture has a far left bias.

Despite this huge advantage lefties actually argue against
having a FOX news and complain about the “bias”. That’s one station
and you guys have EVERYTHING else. Isn’t it fascism that
tries to monopolize the media for it’s propaganda?
DemonicLemming

Do you actually know anything about the policies of the National Socialist Party? Evidently not. They were extremely liberal, politically. You can be a fascist and still have liberal policies, you know.
DidgeryDo

You would be very surprised how many liberals are racist actually.
It’s just that in those circles it’s even more important to conceal it.
Trust me I live near NYC and I’ve seen TONS of that shit.
DemonicLemming

So evidently when I say the “s” word, my post gets frozen “waiting to be moderated”, when others’ posts don’t. That’s cool. Never thought I’d see censorship on a metal news site.

“Do you actually know anything about the policies of the National S—-list Party? Evidently not. They were extremely liberal, politically. You can be a fascist and still have liberal policies, you know.”

DidgeryDo

Once again I was gonna say all that but your post hit first. If Sammy really
had a problem with Beck for the reasons he claims he would also have lots
problems with a majority of his counter-parts on the other end of the aisle.

Sammy

So I guess you don’t read so well? I also have a huge problem with Moore and Olbermann. Look above for where I already criticized Moore and said I’m an independent. While I think O’Reilly can be a tool, I do find him pretty fair most of the time. And while I can clearly see the liberal philosophy oozing from Rachel Maddow, she doesn’t spend every second of her show bashing conservatives and lying about them. Rush’s show is the same show every day. Same for Hannity. Air America is filled with boring brainy intellectuals and has turned into all national health care all the time.
Sammy

Wow Di-do, you don’t catch the actual points being made do you? I was answering your criticism of me that I am probably don’t have a problem with liberal counterparts to right wingnuts, after I already had shown a neutrality….and followed it up with another example.
DidgeryDo

That’s because national healthcare happens to be one of the most
pressing and imminent issues we face right now.

If they DID’NT cover it I’d guarantee you’d be complaining that they
were not relevant enough.
DidgeryDo

I like to think I am middle of the road and moderate. I am a registered
Democrat and support Obama ( except with the Public Option).

As I get older though I have gotten more and more furious with
the deception and hypocrisy of the left. The right might be assholes
but they are FAR more honest and practical then the left.

Not sure where I stand now except I am definitely anti-socialism.

Fools who support socialism rail agains the “few holding the wealth
and power”. At the same time they ignore the fact that with socialism
the power is even MORE centralized and inevitable abuses FAR
WORSE.
Sammy

And how many colleges have you attended to know this is true? I went to UC San Diego, switched to a CC for financial reasons and got my degree at San Diego State University. I had exactly one professor who openly espoused a liberal view, and that was an oceanography class. And I had at least three professors who openly taught fiscally conservative views.

My point? Prove what you say, without just rattling off talking points you have taken as fact.

As for the media, ABC is owned by corporate giant Disney. NBC is owned by corporate giant GE. News is corporate, not liberal.
DidgeryDo

“News is corporate, not liberal.”

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow I don’t even know if I can discuss with you anymore. I am
astounded because I was certainly disparaging you a lot I still
beleived you were pretty inteligent…..until now. Wow.
DidgeryDo

Let me spell this out for you dumbshit.

A corporation is a buisness entity whereas liberalism is a
politcal idealogy. You do not say something is either one
or the other unless they are two sides of the same coin such
as conservative – liberal, male – female, genius – sammy

Duh they is corporations and therefore not liberal….duhhhh.

DidgeryDo

+1 So true Lemming!

Sammy

No, my point was not that liberalism is the converse of corporations. My point was that the media is owned by corporations who sole and only goal is to generate profits for shareholders. Hence, what would be the motivation to slant news to the left, which is the enemy of the corporate world.

Trust me, Didge, I’m mostly conservative on the fiscal issues. In my company I deal with more government red tape bullshit than I’d like to. I do believe that lower taxes lead to increased economic growth, to a point and with reasonable oversight in place to keep the Bernie Madoff’s out of the mix.

But where were the teabaggers when George Bush’s administration had, at the time, the highest federal deficits and budget in the country’s history? When the Iraq war budget was taken off the national budget so as to not expose it as doubling the debt figures? If it’s only about runaway spending, why wait til now? We’ve had runaway spending since the 1980s, when Ronnie was president. Yes, I know the Congress was Democratically controlled, but Ronnie never vetoed a single budget and never offered a balanced budget of his own.

Sammy

“whose”
DemonicLemming

And the owners of those companies are political and have political agendas, which bleed down to their news networks. You cannot seriously be sitting there, saying that modern media outlets aren’t biased to a huge degree to the liberal side, and actually mean it, unless you haven’t watched CNN, MSNBC, or any of the others in YEARS. Regardless of who or what owns them, modern media is slanted so far to the left, it’s surprising they haven’t fallen over yet.

I do seem to recall quite a few people complaining about Bush. Thing is, while Bush might not have been a perfect president, he wasn’t anti-Constitution, pro-government takeover in the private sector (dude, seriously, how the fuck does the president get away with telling private businesses how much their owners are allowed to make? That’s flat-out communism, as was the outright takeover of Chrysler by Obama and pals).

Read this, combine that with the fact that Obama has blatantly said whatever he wants is going to get steamrolled through Congress, regardless of debate (uh, that’s the whole point of a democracy, you fucking imbecile), combined with the fact that Obama seems to think the presidency is supposed to be nothing more than making teleprompter speeches, tv show appearances, and veiled threats to his political opponents, the fact that Obama will have DOUBLED the national debt within 10 years (everyone bitched about the cost of the Iraq war, Comrade Messiah spent SEVEN HUNDRED FUCKING BILLION DOLLARS on a failed white-collar bailout of a slew of corrupt businesses that had no positive impact on the average American)…I could go on, but there’s no point. Here’s the link, it’s worth reading.

http://commonsense10.blog.com/alert-the-crime-of-the-century-perpetrated-by-the-car-czar/

Sammy

I am not a huge fan of Obama’s moves, but let’s not forget that the first bank and insurance bailout happened under Bush. George W. Bush started the bailout movement.

And Bush was not anti-Constitution? Please. The Patriot Act trampled constitutional rights. And Democrats who voted for it are hypocritical slimebags.

And Obama did not force himself onto Chrysler or GM. THEY came to the government with hands out. The ONLY companies who were given restrictions on how much their management could make were those who took government money. The Obama administration wanted to make sure that the bailout money didn’t turn into platinum parachutes for CEOs.
Sammy

And don’t get me started on the expansion of the FCC’s power under Bush to squelch the First Amendment. Any fan of metal should despise this organization as a Christian Right tool to purify the airwaves.

Joe Yermama

Glenn Beck is a retard. Discussing him in any kind of “serious” context merely embarrasses everyone involved.

Jizzmaster3000

This and only this. It’s frightening the level of stupidity is some of these comments. I’m not sure why the word ‘socialsm’ is thrown around like a dirty word by a bunch of retards who don’t even know what it means. I guess it’s the same mentality that led to J. K. Rowling being passed over for an award in the US, because some products of brother and sister in Bush’s administration thought her books ‘encourage witchcraft’…….

DidgeryDo

I know exactly what it means and I’ve demonstrated this several times. The real question
you should be asking is why are all these “retards” posts being frozen for moderation
just for using the word soc1al1sm.

Zoker

You people don’t understand a fucking thing! I do!
Sammy

You guys are comparing modern day, limp wristed liberals to militaristic fascists?

http://www.hibernum.net hibernum

No Sammy, according to Glen Beck there is no difference between fascism, communism, and socialism at all. See how easy that is?

Would you kids like to smoke pot? I’ll bet you would you heathen sinners. Guess which state has de-facto legalized weed? Anyone? Anyone? Is it Glen Beck’s home state?

Sammy

Hibernum, I have to correct you. I happen to live in Beck’s home state and while we do have a law that legalizes marijuana use for medicinal purposes, the morons who wrote the law didn’t allow for a legal way to get it to patients, so cops and DAs go after dispensaries for selling a legalized product.

Here’s the analogy: Let’s make it legal to drive a car, but make roads illegal.

DidgeryDo

LOL I think I saw a comercial that was similar. It was this smug fuck in a suit
who just gave a little girl a new bike but said that she must stay inside the little
circle that was drawin around the bike.
http://www.hibernum.net hibernum

Sammy, I was being rhetorical. California is the place where weed is de-facto legalized, not Glen Beck’s home state or place of residence. I was being facetious. Nevermind.

Sammy

Ahh, got it. Sorry for being dense.

DidgeryDo

Truth be told in theory they are different but in practice they become the same and that
is what he was getting at.

The reason being that when socialism is in effect the powers become eve MORE centralized
meanwhile the general populace loses ALL power basically making it all but
inevitable that abuses occurs. It becomes fascism. This is what we have seen
in history past and I have no reason to beleive it would ever be different.

Communism on the other hand is often interchangeable with Socialism the only difference being
with Communism there is supposedly no governement whatsoever which I think
is a complete logistical impossibillity. So for that reason Communism and Socialism
are essentiallly the same.

Either of these situations will allways lead to a dictatorship and fascism.

DidgeryDo

socialism

DidgeryDo

Using the word SOC1AL1SM AT METAL SUCKS GET’S YOU MODDED!!!!!

WTF!!!!!
DidgeryDo

Using the word SOC1AL1SM AT METAL SUCKS GET’S YOU MODDED!!!!!

WTF!!!!!

DidgeryDo

So much for free speech you fascist pricks.

DidgeryDo

You can say pretty much any offensive thing you want at Metalsucks except g@y
and soc1al1sm which leads me to beleive AR is a communist cock gobler lol.

DidgeryDo

I swear to Christ you guys are going to turn me into a Republican and I DON’T
want that.

SOCIALISM

Nate

Go watch the video of glenn beck blaming america losing % of people who claim a religion as to why that kid in chicago got brutally beaten to death. If you don’t hate him after that, you’re not fucking metal at all.

DemonicLemming

Here’s the transcript. If someone can decipher what he was blathering on about, they get a couple internets.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/31237/

I’ll add as a side note, Mark Levin was the original author and thinker behind a lot of what Beck spouts. Beck doesn’t acknowledge that fact, either, and Levin isn’t quite as…..inanely verbose and theatrical as Beck is, either. Anyone who hates Glenn Beck should at least take a couple minutes and read Levin’s work – it might be Beck’s style that’s turning them off from the message he’s trying to convey.

metalguy

the only computer in my house is in my moms room and shes watching him as i type. i can personally say that his fans are pretty much 21st century nazi german citizens: blindly following anything their precious leader says because he can say anything he wants against the oppossing groups that make him sound better.
i would never consider myself political, if anything my veiws would lean a little to the right. but can we PLEASE stop saying one group pick on the others, complain and then do exactly the same to the others party. its soo hypocritical.
Beck has lied before but does not lie all the time. he is , however a fear mongerer and extremist who has no real views for his party, but will automatically attack anything any liberal says.
DONT JUDGE ALL REBUBLICANS ON HOW HE ACTS

DemonicLemming

His fans are Nazis? The fuck? Obama’s followers would be Nazis, too – they blindly follow anything their “messiah” says without conscious thought. Funny how Obama lies every day, yet no one seems to call him out on it, yet everyone in here is quick enough to call Beck a liar.

Idiots who follow anyone, or believe whatever they say, without reservation, personal thought, or research are plain fucking imbeciles, not Nazis. The word “Nazi” has been so buttfucked that it seems like hardly anyone actually understands the true meaning of the word and the political party.

DidgeryDo

Nobody calls him on it because he is the media darling. He’s liberal and the all media with
the exception of talk radio and FOX news are blatantly liberal.

So the left tries to shut down talk radio with the “fairness doctrine” and they are constantly
after FOX news as well.

So LEFTIES, what do you call it when one poltical party has almost total dominance
over every medium and seeks 100 percent! That’s called fascism you dumb fucks!

The irony is the way they fool you into thinking they are against bias. Motherfuckers
they want it 100 percent biased to them so things go more easily.

Sammy

You’ll have to name names on the “fairness doctrine” claim. Obama is on record saying he opposes it. With the exception of a few uber liberal Dems, who won’t win on this issue, the fairness doctrine issue is dead, as it should be.

For the record, there are thousands of bills submitted each year by right and left wing whack jobs that are DOA before they reach committee. There has been a Republican AND a Democrat each of the past (I think) 15 years who have tried to eliminate the term limit of the presidency. And both have submitted their bills while opposition presidents were in the office.

I bet term limits for Congress is something we could agree on. And real campaign finance reform.

DemonicLemming

You can clean up Washington as much as you’d like, but until we see voter reform – people actually educating themselves on the policies and topics at hand, what candidates have actually DONE, against what they claim they’ll do if elected, and not voting for a certain candidate just because of the (R) or (D) after their name – it’s really a futile effort.
DidgeryDo

The last time with the fairness doctrine was Hillary Rodham about this
time two years ago. This was not the first and probably not the
last time it would be attempted. A large reason why it was shut
down was because the conservative talk radio that it targeted
spread the word and congress was getting a LOT of calls. Dems
fearing re-election backed down.

This is their mentallity. They have their fingers in nearly every
media outlet that exists and yet in their insatiable greed for
attention and control they were actually seeeking to shut down
the ONLY oppositions. Doesn’t that type of behavior worry or upset you?

Leroy Pescheur

i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again, christianity and metal (any religion for that matter) go together like oil and water. shove the jewish zombie up your ass

DidgeryDo

That’s only because you personally don’t dig religion. I don’t either but that is besides the point. The fact
is that Christian metal works great for Christians. I’m sure Muslim metal would be awesome for
Jihadists.

Metal is a style of music and the lyrical and thematic content is purely up to the discretion of the composer
and does not effect the fact that it is metal. The metal crowd may reject it but it would technically
still be metal if musically it fit the description.

Sammy

From Glenn Beck’s September 29, 2009 show: “Vancouver lost, how much was it? They lost a billion dollars when they had the Olympics.” This was his condemnation of the Obama administration trying to procure an upcoming Olympics for Chicago, to keep dollars in America (that commie!).

Um Glenn, The Vancouver Olympics don’t take place until FEBRUARY AND MARCH OF NEXT FUCKING YEAR.

Is that a good enough example of someone making something up to smear someone with whom he has political disagreement?

DemonicLemming

Ya know, when Obama and his little buddy SecDef Gates sit on the request for more troops in Afghanistan “until it becomes more feasible to consider” but can take the time out of his oh-so-busy schedule of making speeches and appear on tv shows to go to Denmark (after his wife, who has an extremely overblown idea of what a president’s wife is, not to mention, being 10 fucking minutes late to a conference with the OIC and European monarchy) to lobby for the Olympics to be hosted in his (corrupt ghetto shithole) home town, I really don’t mind people condemning Obama.

And if you think Obama and his bully-boy Raul Emmanuel are clear and free of making up smear campaigns (hey, you remember the “Report people who disagree with our Obamacare plan to the following email address so we can “re-educate” them on what’s right” ploy, don’t you? Or, how about calling military veterans “highly likely to become terrorists” even though the Obama administration doesn’t use the word “terrorist” any more because that might offend Muslims who strap bomb to themselves to blow women and children up) to make their rivals look bad.

Yeah, fuck Obama. He and his buddies are the most corrupt bunch we’ve had in DC in a very long time, and that’s saying quite a bit.

DidgeryDo

It’s funny. People on the right tend to have very specific factual expanations for things while
people on the left are all “corporations are evil and stuff.”

Seriously the dude Sammy up above thinks that “liberalism” is the converse of “corporation”

His point was hilarious. He claims ABC is owned by a corporation and therefore cannot be
liberal because liberal and corporation are opposites in his Kool-Aid addled mind. Wow.

Good post again man.

Jimmy

Truth does have a liberal bias.

But at any rate, at this point I equate the republicans with big business fucking over the consumer and making everyone that isn’t a christian follow christian beliefs. Republicans say they want smaller government, but they don’t have a problem with making laws about what I do in my private life.

DemonicLemming

Versus Democrats, who are all about big government fucking people over, and making everyone conform to the beliefs of small interests groups, lest we *gasp* offend someone. You want to see where the US will be in 20 years if we keep going the way we are? Look at the UK.

Truth doesn’t have any political bias. If it does, it’s not the truth.
DidgeryDo

Correction: “MY “truth” has a liberal bias.

Which is what I’ve been saying all along.

DidgeryDo

I think Axl Rose is inadverdantly showing us SOCIALISM ( that’s right I know It’s flagged) in practice here at Metalsucks. You see you can’t use the word SOCIALISM or SOCIALIST without a warning of impending censorship. CENSORSHIP. Socialists are all about this. A smaller more centralized power base then even now with an individual-free populace with no power and under COMPLETE control. Control that manifests in something we take for granted here. The ability and the right to say what we want.

Axl beleives in Socialism and incidentally censorship too. AR you sure this is the face you want to put on Socialism or metal?

http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Uber/169800969 Chris Uber

I wonder why he hasn’t replied. Maybe Axl can’t defend his point.

DidgeryDo

I really doubt he has anything of substance to say otherwise he would have contributed
by now.

I saw Axl at the Gojira show in Manhattan on May 6th. He looks identical to Silent Bob. I
told him so lol.

DidgeryDo

Actually a midget silent Bob would be more accurate.

http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/62449cbe5ea8d22bcc2e76890fceaa37.png Lord Bling

LOL @ political debate on MS

http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Uber/169800969 Chris Uber

LOL @ metalsucks mods who start said political debate.

DidgeryDo

^That

Also LOL @ Socialist douches demonstrating what socialism would be like.

“Censorship from
the state! Can’t have anyone saying anything bad about our political system….that would be
……freedom!!! I HATE freedom.”

-AR

And you’re right Uber. Axl can’t defend shit. His kind of Socialist isn’t the kind that knows
or even cares about the ramifications.

Ziltoid

LOL indeed. For the most part, these are the same people that couldn’t even recognize blatant satire, but they’re obviously qualified to discuss politics.

DidgeryDo

Do you want to expand on that?

DidgeryDo

I’m kind of interested to hear what Ziltoid would have to say assuming he joined
the discussion. It’s easy to scoff from a distance like a pompous douche who
in reality does not even know what he’s talking about…..but let’s see
what you have to say.

First off I want to hear about how someone hear allegedly missed some satire. Then
I want to see what you actually know about politics. Your kind generally don’t
but I want to give you a chance.

You Suck

Damn my man where did we go wrong? Folks seem to just want to get into it with you now. From here on out I’ll not take stance with you. I don’t want to be a “conformist” or a S****list.
DidgeryDo

Well I’m not calling anyone here conformist.

As far as the people I am calling soc1al1st it’s not as an insult. It is because
they will also tell you that is what they are.

Your cool. We had a flamefest but I mostly had fun with it.

You Suck

I liked Glenn Becks’ a Christmas Sweater!

DidgeryDo

His grandma gave him that in 1978!

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