JUMPING DARKNESS PARADE: EYAL ON PRE-CONCEIVED NOTIONS

Friday, October 2nd, 2009 at 3:34pm by

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Your reputation precedes you. It’s a blessing and a curse. I know that there are some circles that know me as being a complete ass, and they’ve done their part to spread that about me. When I’ve encountered people they’ve spread the good word about me to, I’m usually met with “Wow, I didn’t realize you were actually cool to hang out with.” Or stuff of that sort. I’m referring to cliques from when I was in high school ranging to some people I know now. I also have positive things that are spread about me ,and it still hits me by surprise when there are positive expectations due to someone’s word of mouth about me. Positive or negative, it’s strange to me that some people have any pre-conceived notions about me. I should just get used to it.

But I’m sure that you guys have felt the same things in your lives. If you don’t live in a cave, or are not stuck in your mom’s basement playing W.O.W. 24/7, then you make your mark on the world. Whether it’s on an international level or just your small group of social and work peers or school or whatever it may be, you make your mark. You affect people. And people talk about you to each other. To what degree will always vary according to all the different social variables unique to your situation.

I realize that this is just part of life, and therefore try to extend people the benefit of the doubt when first getting to know them. Some people I meet have quite the amazing reputations, from allegedly being the greatest dudes all the way to allegedly being the biggest dicks. Recently I met someone I had heard about for years. Everyone said that he was just chill as fuck to be around, always did what he was supposed to do, and just ruled at life. Well, they were right. This person’s reputation preceded him, and it turned out to be accurate. That’s always cool. Then there’s another dude who I’ve heard from sooooo many people that he’s an egotistical, shit-starting prick.

When I hear that about one dude from so many different people over the course of many years, it makes me wonder if all the hate is justified, or if people are just jumping on the hate bandwagon ’cause it’s fun. Let’s be honest, shit talking is fun. We all do it. It’s juicy. It’s easy to get carried away with it sometimes. And sometimes, it’s just not warranted. Like in cases where it seems like it’s just trendy to hate a certain individual, but you really don’t know why you hate them when you get down to being real about the situation.

I always try to find out if that’s the case when there’s a ton of shit talked about someone. Maybe they didn’t get along with ONE key person who then spread rumors about them, and the reputation stuck? You never know. That’s why I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. Many times I’ve been surprised. I’ve made friends by extending the benefit of the doubt to outcasts.

So I guess I’ll just end this by saying what a bummer it is when you hear all the negative hype about someone, and then get to know them and realize that people weren’t talking shit. They were speaking the truth. Ya feel me?

-EL

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  • Rolling Thunder

    People think i’m a shut in, cave dwelling troll or a total man slut (damn these good looks) when I do go out in public…somehow I feel a lot like the Elephant man these days :-/…thanks for raining on my Friday Parade, Jack.

  • WowWee!

    When there is a rumor about someone that is really weird I try to make that person bring it up if its about a problem or just something weird and secretive about them just to fuck with them because it amuses me to tap into peoples disturbed side. Damn I’m sick. But the thing is I can do this without anyone else noticing what I’m doing except the person who gave me the info.

    What Happend Eyal a lot of smack talkin going on in the tour?

    • Eyal Levi

      Nope

  • orbital

    i just assume the worst in everyone. Keep the expectations low and hopefuly I’ll be pleasantly surprised.

    • metalchick666

      …unfortunately, people often live up to those expectations, i don’t shit-talk them though…

  • Driven9

    I have a feeling that this post is going to bring out a lot of wierd as comments from some creepy metal heads who struggle with their social lives. hahh, thanks for the entertaining comment browsing Eyal.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Winnett/504952291 Daniel Winnett

    yeah ive always struggled with the idea of people talking about me
    mainly just because im thinking “they REALLY couldnt find something more interesting to talk about than me?”

    • Eyal Levi

      Maybe you’re more interesting than you realize

    • MikeAdam

      I Say the same thing man

  • dicknballs

    and with the advent of the internet this phenomenon is only getting bigger, easier and at times more fun.

    you’re right though eyal, best thing to do is try to be as objective as you can and forge your own opinions… although it’s tough not to listen to those voices in the back of your head saying “so and so’s a dick” when you finally meet that person…

    what it comes down to on the other side of that is, it’s not your problem if someone doesn’t like you, that’s on them. (does 90′s black lady snapping in a “Z”)

    • Noel

      you just made me laugh. black lady thing in a z got me.

  • http://uponwingsofblack.blogspot.com/ \m/Eluveitie\m/

    I couldn’t live in my basement, it scares me

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrea-Voulgaris/663407462 Andrea Voulgaris

      YEAH! like sometimes when the furnace starts talking to you kinda like on home alone! it’s soooo freaky.

      • http://uponwingsofblack.blogspot.com/ \m/Eluveitie\m/

        Is this an emergency?

        There’s a horrible noise coming from the evil box underneath the window.
        It sounds like this…

        It’s not evil, Buddy, it’s a radiator and the heat makes noise when it comes on.

        No, it doesn’t. It’s very evil. It’s scary to look at. It’s…okay…I’m going toward…oh, wait. Yes, it is. Okay, it’s okay. It’s okay. Everything’s fine. You were right. Okay, good, uh, I’m gonna hang up now.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrea-Voulgaris/663407462 Andrea Voulgaris

          heheh i love that!

    • http://www.last.fm/user/groverXIII groverXIII

      I have a finished basement… it’s nice. Got my big TV and my stereo system down there. It just gets cold, which is nice in the summer, but sucks in the winter.

      Although my cat likes to hang out down there… it’s kinda creepy when there’s not a lot of light and all you see is a couple of glittering eyes staring back at you.

  • jason

    Interesting post. While everyone has an off night from time to time, most people that have garnered a reputation for being a dick…really are. The question I wonder is: does ones reputation (whether earned or not) perpetuate their behavior? If people already think you’re a dick, does that make you act like one even more so?

    • http://uponwingsofblack.blogspot.com/ \m/Eluveitie\m/

      The Dallas Coyle syndrome

      • http://raiseyerfists.wordpress.com raiseyerfists

        Hah!

    • DidgeryDo

      It really depends on the person. Some people, for instance, are detirmined to remain the same
      regardless of anything that happens because they don’t want the actions of others to
      detirmine the person they want to be in life.

      Some people on the other hand are very reactionary and will a majority of the time either in accordance
      or in spite of someone.

      I try to be the first personally but sometimes get carried away with reactions. I think the most
      important thing for me in life is to sight something on the horizon and travel there no matter what
      forces act on you.

      • daathisshit

        this guy has Dallas Syndrome. Im getting to his poser. Your not a credible metal muso and you know it , like Dallas. Your band is so shit.

        • cink

          Cool story bro.

        • Slaughterhouse

          Just because you don’t like his band doesn’t mean that you need to attack him as a person. I’ve never heard him say anything along the lines of being arrogant…

  • no-ghost

    I guess I don’t know that many people vice versa to me because this is pointless
    in my eyes. All I can guess or get at is that if anything first impressions do matter.
    I personally try to put my best foot forward instead of my mouth, Why would anyone want to be
    considered a dick or a jerk? Thats J.V. bullshit and should grow up.

    • DidgeryDo

      “considered a dick or a jerk?”

      For me personally that really depends 100 percent on the people I’m presenting myself to.

  • DidgeryDo

    Hmmmmm. I don’t concern myself so much with preconceived notions. I can think the biggest example of that was when I moved near NYC from far Upstate NY and I would say the most likely preconceived notion of me was that I was that I was a hick. This was far from the truth and it’s interesting to me that the NYC area has such a wealth of culture and is a self contained world unto itself, but it blew my mind how clueless people here can be about the conditions in the rest of the state. Really to some people here anything past Rockland County is the great black expanse of mystery inhabited by insane mountain people. The truth was Albany is just as nice as a lot of places down here.

    Preconceived notions to me are a little annoying even if they are positive. The only thing to do with them though besides disregarding them, are proving people right or wrong.

  • http://uponwingsofblack.blogspot.com/ \m/Eluveitie\m/

    I was surprised when I saw Eyal on TV and he was a pretty quiet and subdued guy. I figured he’d be a little louder and more talkative after reading the blog. In terms of content though, he was intelligent and thoughtful in both cases.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrea-Voulgaris/663407462 Andrea Voulgaris

    omg! you guys have no idea what shit talking is until you’ve experienced the social life of a teenage girl. it’s so annoying!

    • Beard

      Yes. Mean Girls IS a good movie.

    • Shpadoinkle

      I highly doubt that. One of my (male! old!) friends is the no. 1 state certified shit talker in the world. No shit, this guy is so over the top with his hate for other people that you simply have to love him! He is an envious, self-absorbed prick, I’ll give you that, but he would also readily sacrifice his first born son if it helped you out. So believe me: I know what shit talking is! :-)

      • tim

        Youre friends with Kerry King?

    • metalchick666

      i’m a teenage girl, and i agree…the shit talking is ridiculous. the bitching NEVER stops. just wish they’d realize how fucked up it is, but i don’t think they’re going to mature anytime soon.

  • rayn

    uhhh hahahaha somehow i have this gut-instinct telling me this whole topic is somehow directed towards a particular ‘prick’(?) am i as wrong as usual, or do i actually have a legit hunch, for once??

  • Chelsea! :D

    i am a cave dweller! wooooo it happens..

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-Dasher/30826541 Matt Dasher

    I’ll just say that I ruined my reputation in high school, took three years away from the dating scene and now I’m finding myself to be surprisingly successful.

    • Johnny Death

      Yeah, i heard not as many girls carry mace around like they did three years ago!

  • MetalRod

    “He doesn’t like you…”
    “Sorry.”
    “I don’t like you either!!!”

    Anyone, eh, eh?

    • http://www.last.fm/user/groverXIII groverXIII

      “I’ll be careful.”
      “You’ll be dead!”

      /I’m fluent in nerd. It’s like a second language to me.

  • Dan

    i find it best to have no expectations…that way if the person is good, it’s that much better; and if they’re a complete dick, it’s not a surprise

  • Shinaain

    The majority of preconceived notions I’ve had to confront throughout my life have largely been dependent on the circles I was moving in at the time – which is more the case than ever these days, I’m afraid. Many aspects of my life end up having to be compartmentalized, since my various interests and rolls tend to go together about as well as oil and water. And rather than focusing solely on the preconceived notions I’ve had to confront that people of had of ME in particular, I’d prefer to talk a little about the stereotypes I’ve had to deal with as well.

    My family moved around every few years when I was a kid, so when we moved to the “North” (funny Virginians and their revisionist history) for my dad’s job I was treated differently because I spoke with a southern accent. It’s been great practice for a lifetime’s worth of prejudice, as many people hear a southern accent and assume ignorance, provincialism, and prejudice to start. Even today, I have to deal with people’s preconceived notions of who southerners are supposed to be, often informed by stereotypes perpetrated by the media and popular culture. (I don’t normally advocate violence, but I could KILL James Dickey for writing *Deliverance* and John Boorman for making it into a movie.) And then I faced much the same when I moved back down South, only this time the kids I went to school with had all known each other their whole lives, had never been anywhere or done anything outside the South, so I was perceived as “Other” and therefore dangerous, particularly by their parents who were afraid “the Yankee kid” would be a bad influence on their precious, innocent babies. (Of course, I WAS a bad influence, but that’s beside the point.)

    I’ve dealt with people’s preconceived notions of who female soldiers are or should be (I answer to neither “bitch” nor “slut,” thank you very much, and everybody who ever told me I was too cute to wear the uniform was unintentionally insulting me AND all of my sisters in uniform), of what the interests of a professional working for a Fortune 500 company should or should not be (see following), whether or not I fit the stereotype for skating roller derby (see preceding), AND I apparently bust nearly all stereotypes of a woman obsessed with metal music (too overwhelming to decide where to start with that one, but then you guys probably know them all better than I do so I figure I don’t have to explain myself, anyway).

    And so on.

    Having been compared my whole life to a porcelain doll, I can tell you that perception carries its advantages and disadvantages. Life experience has taught me to give people a fair chance, regardless of whether or not those same people extend the same courtesy to me, and doing so has opened me up to meeting some really amazing people in some really unexpected places. But by the same token, it has also opened me up to some situations whereby I might not have been hurt as bad as I was, had I paid a little more mind to people’s warnings. It’s been a mixed bag, for sure.

    • Michiel

      Thanks for the amazing post. I think you are the only person on this site whose comments I always read and enjoy. Preconceived notions are a horrible thing and I try not to live by them, but you do always carry them around. It really is important to be aware of that in order to keep an open mind.

      On a side note: what bothers me is the positive things people say about someone. People talk about you a lot, no matter who you are. They bitch about you, but they also praise you. The thing with reputations is that most of the time everybody but the person itself knows what’s being said about him/her. There’s too many people with low self-esteem. I think the world would be a better place if more people openly spoke about what they think of each other.

      • Shinaain

        It seems paltry to say it, but thank you so much for your kind words.

        At base, preconceived notions are just another way for people to classify data and organize their worldview, which is something we human beings are always trying to do. The problem comes in when people rely too much on hearsay, are not flexible when presented with conflicting evidence, and resist giving others the benefit of the doubt. I agree with your observation that most people don’t even know what their reputations are, which is weird when you consider that preconceived notions are often the products of gossip. Sociologists classify gossip as a tool of social control, so it doesn’t seem entirely logical for people to attempt to control your behavior by talking behind your back in such a manner as to make sure none of their grievances ever reach your ears. The calculate the difference between reason and logic, and then the conclusion follows that human beings attempt to employ both and always fail miserably.

        The exception to this, of course, being people in the public eye. For a small-scale, immediate example, observe the treatment Dallas and Eyal get on this site. Whether people are generously offering their support and appreciation, evaluating their opinions on merit alone, or trashing them with impugnity, it must be really difficult to be constantly confronted with people’s opinions of you – good, bad, or indifferent. At least I get to schlep through life, comfortable in my illusion that most people couldn’t care less whether I come or go.

    • You Suck

      I know this isn’t gonna be funny to you Shin’ but,
      “Squeel like a pig”… “Weee!” “Louder” “WEEEE!!!”
      Burt totally did that fucking redneck with that arrow though.

      • Shinaain

        Just so you know, I saw that coming. Tell me this: How many times have you seen that movie? Fiend. (By the way, I’m not really offended by that; however, I AM bound by honor and loyalty to my people to give back as good as I get. ;)

        Peter Benchley has spent the last 30 years apologizing for *JAWS* and working to improve public education and shark conservation. I want to know one thing: When do we Southerners get our apology for *Deliverance?* Speaking of preconceived notions, people all over the world know that movie and that scene and feel free to quote it to me at will – even people who don’t speak English! What IS so compelling about gay rape in a pastoral setting, and WHY do we Southerners get blamed??

        By the way, like your avatar. I’m not watching the movie adaptation of *The A-Team* if Mister T doesn’t get to be in it – not even Jessica Biel gets to roll the van or something. (I don’t remember a woman being in that series, anyway, but whatever.)

        • Slaughterhouse

          I heard that Rampage Jackson was playing Mr. T…is this correct?

        • You Suck

          Thanks for the avatar compliment, I think? Yeah I gotta agree with you about that movie having to be asociated with all southerners. Not fair. At the same time those of us from OH. sometimes get lumped into that as well.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Colin-OConnor/1491245262 Colin O’Connor

            Ur mouth looks purdy

  • wyrdling

    since when did MetalSucks become Mr. Levi’s livejournal?

  • Shit talker

    Since you stopped paying their bills

  • You Suck

    Preconcieved notions don’t really count in the on-line world though. On-line we can act however we want and go to a different site and be the complete opposite. In real life though I look frightening to a lot of people because I have really stretched earlobes and a huge tattoo on the back of my shaved head, long ass beard and basically covered in ink. But in reality I am a loving father and a loyal husband. I go to PTA meetings and field trips with my 4yr old daughter and take her everywhere with me. I get a lot of negative bullshit from people who think they know what I’m about. Mostly odd looks and the ever stupid questions, “did that hurt?” “What are you gonna do when you’re 60yrs old and blah blah blah?” I can only do so much to prove I”m not a monster to people, but there comes a point where I have to remember I am my own construct. I did these things to myself for my own reasons and I shouldn’t have to spend my life defending those descisions to people too rude and too unclassed to accept an individual for what he or she is. Maybe off subject but hell I don’t know.