Comments on: ON DRUM TRIGGERING IN METAL http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/08/on-drum-triggering-in-metal/ IS FOR LOVERS Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:01:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Apophis http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/08/on-drum-triggering-in-metal/#comment-809824 Apophis Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:02:00 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22191#comment-809824 I agree 100% with the above. And I think the main reason that they don't just use Electronic drumsets is because the rubber heads feel awkward. I'm not a drummer, but my drummer say that's his reason he wants triggers instead of an electric set. He said even the mesh heads from Hart and other companies don't feel right. I agree 100% with the above. And I think the main reason that they don’t just use Electronic drumsets is because the rubber heads feel awkward. I’m not a drummer, but my drummer say that’s his reason he wants triggers instead of an electric set. He said even the mesh heads from Hart and other companies don’t feel right.

]]> By: Apophis http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/08/on-drum-triggering-in-metal/#comment-809823 Apophis Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:02:00 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22191#comment-809823 I agree 100% with the above. And I think the main reason that they don't just use Electronic drumsets is because the rubber heads feel awkward. I'm not a drummer, but my drummer say that's his reason he wants triggers instead of an electric set. He said even the mesh heads from Hart and other companies don't feel right. I agree 100% with the above. And I think the main reason that they don’t just use Electronic drumsets is because the rubber heads feel awkward. I’m not a drummer, but my drummer say that’s his reason he wants triggers instead of an electric set. He said even the mesh heads from Hart and other companies don’t feel right.

]]> By: Donna http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/08/on-drum-triggering-in-metal/#comment-578435 Donna Sun, 05 Dec 2010 21:56:16 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22191#comment-578435 Why not use an electronic drum on stage then, like a roland vdrum, it will trigger more reliably? Perhaps because the drummer wants to look like he's getting the sound out of a real bass drum? Why not use an electronic drum on stage then, like a roland vdrum, it will trigger more reliably? Perhaps because the drummer wants to look like he’s getting the sound out of a real bass drum?

]]> By: Dave http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/08/on-drum-triggering-in-metal/#comment-501207 Dave Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:10:08 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22191#comment-501207 If you think that is cheating that having gain on guitars so that legato licks sound fluid is cheating and every guitar god in the world cheats. or having a compressor or noise gate is cheating. if thats cheating than putting reverb or delay on a vocal mic to thicken up the singers voice is cheating and every singer in the world is a cheater. its just using technology to improve the world If you think that is cheating that having gain on guitars so that legato licks sound fluid is cheating and every guitar god in the world cheats. or having a compressor or noise gate is cheating. if thats cheating than putting reverb or delay on a vocal mic to thicken up the singers voice is cheating and every singer in the world is a cheater. its just using technology to improve the world

]]> By: Wayne http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/08/on-drum-triggering-in-metal/#comment-344461 Wayne Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:53:43 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22191#comment-344461 Please forgive my ignorance on this but is this something that can only be done in studio or can it be used in a live performance also? Please forgive my ignorance on this but is this something that can only be done in studio or can it be used in a live performance also?

]]> By: aaron m. http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/08/on-drum-triggering-in-metal/#comment-327380 aaron m. Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:31:16 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22191#comment-327380 i realize that comment you responded to was 10 days ago, but whatever. there are good ways to trigger and bad ways to trigger. most modern metal bands have this thing where the drums are triggered to the point where it doesn't even sound like a fucking drum. it just goes "click clack" at 300 bpm and that's really fucking annoying. i realize that comment you responded to was 10 days ago, but whatever.

there are good ways to trigger and bad ways to trigger. most modern metal bands have this thing where the drums are triggered to the point where it doesn’t even sound like a fucking drum. it just goes “click clack” at 300 bpm and that’s really fucking annoying.

]]> By: Zosimus http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/08/on-drum-triggering-in-metal/#comment-323717 Zosimus Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:02:01 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22191#comment-323717 Triggering, sound replacement, Drumagog, autotune, etc., are all simply tools. They're used when they're needed. The question isn't whether using them is somehow "tr00" or not (or "moral"), the question is: what do you want your record to sound like? Do you want to sound ultra-laser precise and machinelike? Then you'll be doing a lot of drum editing and using samples/triggers. Do you want a more human sound with soul and maybe a little slop? Then you'll keep your usage of all of these tools to a minimum. There's no reason to make some sort of blanket value judgement against any of them; like everything else musical it's about aesthetic choices and employing the methods necessary to achieve your sonic goals. Triggering, sound replacement, Drumagog, autotune, etc., are all simply tools. They’re used when they’re needed. The question isn’t whether using them is somehow “tr00″ or not (or “moral”), the question is: what do you want your record to sound like?
Do you want to sound ultra-laser precise and machinelike? Then you’ll be doing a lot of drum editing and using samples/triggers. Do you want a more human sound with soul and maybe a little slop? Then you’ll keep your usage of all of these tools to a minimum. There’s no reason to make some sort of blanket value judgement against any of them; like everything else musical it’s about aesthetic choices and employing the methods necessary to achieve your sonic goals.

]]> By: Zosimus http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/08/on-drum-triggering-in-metal/#comment-323712 Zosimus Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:54:44 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22191#comment-323712 While compression doesn't have the same dramatic effect as triggering/sound replacement does, evening out the dynamics of a performance IS one of the primary reasons, beyond the simple necessity of constraining dynamic range in order to avoid clipping, that an engineer will employ a compressor during recording. Additionally, engineers will use bus compression (a compressor applied to groups of tracks while they're being mixed down to stereo or mono) to make the band as a whole sound tighter. Bypass the bus compressor the next time you're sitting at the console in a mixing session and you'll definitely notice the difference. While compression doesn’t have the same dramatic effect as triggering/sound replacement does, evening out the dynamics of a performance IS one of the primary reasons, beyond the simple necessity of constraining dynamic range in order to avoid clipping, that an engineer will employ a compressor during recording.
Additionally, engineers will use bus compression (a compressor applied to groups of tracks while they’re being mixed down to stereo or mono) to make the band as a whole sound tighter. Bypass the bus compressor the next time you’re sitting at the console in a mixing session and you’ll definitely notice the difference.

]]> By: Franko http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/08/on-drum-triggering-in-metal/#comment-322703 Franko Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:16:57 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22191#comment-322703 The ddrum triggers I use live have a special trigger for the snare that will pick up and differentiate between side-stick and rim shots as well as normal skin hits and ghost notes. The sensitivity range is very broad but if your ghost notes are to soft to be detected than you shouldn't be using triggers in the first place because the volume of the acoustic drums will be loud enough on their own. I use a trigger and a mic on my bass drum and mix them about even through the P.A. It's the best of both worlds because I get the attack and clarity from the trigger and depth and decay from the mic. Similarly with my toms because the overheads pick up some of the toms and snare. The ddrum triggers I use live have a special trigger for the snare that will pick up and differentiate between side-stick and rim shots as well as normal skin hits and ghost notes. The sensitivity range is very broad but if your ghost notes are to soft to be detected than you shouldn’t be using triggers in the first place because the volume of the acoustic drums will be loud enough on their own. I use a trigger and a mic on my bass drum and mix them about even through the P.A. It’s the best of both worlds because I get the attack and clarity from the trigger and depth and decay from the mic. Similarly with my toms because the overheads pick up some of the toms and snare.

]]> By: (required) http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/08/on-drum-triggering-in-metal/#comment-322572 (required) Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:46:09 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22191#comment-322572 If I can't tell, who the fuck cares. Do people really use triggers on recordings? Have they not heard of SoundReplacer. Seems like a no-brainer to to add the samples as an edit rather than on the fly. If I can’t tell, who the fuck cares. Do people really use triggers on recordings? Have they not heard of SoundReplacer. Seems like a no-brainer to to add the samples as an edit rather than on the fly.

]]> By: Jay-P http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/08/on-drum-triggering-in-metal/#comment-322498 Jay-P Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:25:30 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22191#comment-322498 If it weren't for triggers lamb of gods albums would all sound like new american gospel......which has to be honestly the most god awful drum sound i have ever experienced in my life If it weren’t for triggers lamb of gods albums would all sound like new american gospel……which has to be honestly the most god awful drum sound i have ever experienced in my life

]]> By: Ryan Black http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/08/on-drum-triggering-in-metal/#comment-322004 Ryan Black Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:35:32 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22191#comment-322004 My band uses drum triggers merely to save time and have it sound more professional. If you ever been in to record you must understand that nothing can be done in one attempt (save for 90s grunge bands). If you can do it flawlessly in one attempt either a)you are not pushing yourself as a musician or b) you do not have the ear to hear very minor problems with the recording (especially those that come while recording on an electric drum set). However, if drummers are using triggers and editing to fix drum parts that they just CANNOT play, than yes, that is cheating. I would like to see what Vince and others at Metalsucks feel about hardcore quantizing though. My band uses drum triggers merely to save time and have it sound more professional. If you ever been in to record you must understand that nothing can be done in one attempt (save for 90s grunge bands). If you can do it flawlessly in one attempt either a)you are not pushing yourself as a musician or b) you do not have the ear to hear very minor problems with the recording (especially those that come while recording on an electric drum set). However, if drummers are using triggers and editing to fix drum parts that they just CANNOT play, than yes, that is cheating. I would like to see what Vince and others at Metalsucks feel about hardcore quantizing though.

]]> By: Fritz! http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/08/on-drum-triggering-in-metal/#comment-321962 Fritz! Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:03:56 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22191#comment-321962 W = re, internet logic. W = re, internet logic.

]]> By: Fritz! http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/08/on-drum-triggering-in-metal/#comment-321961 Fritz! Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:02:59 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22191#comment-321961 Listen to some fuckin jazz fucktard!! Dynamics is whew its at! Now hit me with some Fear Factory!! Listen to some fuckin jazz fucktard!! Dynamics is whew its at! Now hit me with some Fear Factory!!

]]> By: Noel http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/08/on-drum-triggering-in-metal/#comment-321033 Noel Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:11:47 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22191#comment-321033 vinnie paul doesnt use acoustic. at least not all the time. theres pictures og him on stage with drum triggers on his bass drum, snare, and toms. and who led you to assume that drummers who trigger cant tune their drums? vinnie paul doesnt use acoustic. at least not all the time. theres pictures og him on stage with drum triggers on his bass drum, snare, and toms. and who led you to assume that drummers who trigger cant tune their drums?

]]> By: Noel http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/08/on-drum-triggering-in-metal/#comment-321030 Noel Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:04:28 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22191#comment-321030 well, the point is that prominent metal drummers use triggers, but still have talent, so they can go hand in hand. also, yea, i was never a big fan of the axis pedals. thery seem so light, that it defeats the purpose- to deliver a heavy hard hitting slam to the bass drum...agreed. well, the point is that prominent metal drummers use triggers, but still have talent, so they can go hand in hand. also, yea, i was never a big fan of the axis pedals. thery seem so light, that it defeats the purpose- to deliver a heavy hard hitting slam to the bass drum…agreed.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/08/on-drum-triggering-in-metal/#comment-321023 Andrew Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:53:04 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22191#comment-321023 If people are making the argument that it's "inorganic", that's a terrible argument. Your rebuttal makes sense to that argument but the original is missing a very key point that it's not the "inorganic" part that makes a difference, it's the "I couldn't play this part or play this fast without these triggers making it so I barely touch my drum" If people are making the argument that it’s “inorganic”, that’s a terrible argument. Your rebuttal makes sense to that argument but the original is missing a very key point that it’s not the “inorganic” part that makes a difference, it’s the “I couldn’t play this part or play this fast without these triggers making it so I barely touch my drum”

]]> By: doucheyb http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/08/on-drum-triggering-in-metal/#comment-321013 doucheyb Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:33:00 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22191#comment-321013 LOMBARDO DOESNT USE EM! LOMBARDO DOESNT USE EM!

]]> By: cougar party http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/08/on-drum-triggering-in-metal/#comment-321000 cougar party Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:11:39 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22191#comment-321000 Yeah, that is true. Distortion certainly can hide a lot of minor mistakes. Another example is the wah wah pedal most people don't know how to use it, they just use it to hide their fuck ups during solos. Yeah, that is true. Distortion certainly can hide a lot of minor mistakes. Another example is the wah wah pedal most people don’t know how to use it, they just use it to hide their fuck ups during solos.

]]> By: Chris Uber http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/08/on-drum-triggering-in-metal/#comment-320965 Chris Uber Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:18:29 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22191#comment-320965 Well anyone with a brain could see we agree with each other Josh and that built for sin is a complete fucking idiot. Well anyone with a brain could see we agree with each other Josh and that built for sin is a complete fucking idiot.

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