Comments on: LITURGY’S HUNTER HUNT-HENDRIX DISCUSSES BURST BEATS, APOPHASIS AND THE PROCESS OF ECSTATIC ANNIHILATION http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/16/liturgys-hunter-hunt-hendrix-discusses-burst-beats-apophasis-and-the-process-of-ecstatic-annihilation/ IS FOR LOVERS Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:01:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: anon http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/16/liturgys-hunter-hunt-hendrix-discusses-burst-beats-apophasis-and-the-process-of-ecstatic-annihilation/#comment-811799 anon Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:49:00 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22410#comment-811799 i wish this guy would just make music for himself and stop talking so much, because really, no one's asking. i wish this guy would just make music for himself and stop talking so much, because really, no one’s asking.

]]> By: anon http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/16/liturgys-hunter-hunt-hendrix-discusses-burst-beats-apophasis-and-the-process-of-ecstatic-annihilation/#comment-811797 anon Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:49:00 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22410#comment-811797 i wish this guy would just make music for himself and stop talking so much, because really, no one's asking. i wish this guy would just make music for himself and stop talking so much, because really, no one’s asking.

]]> By: anon http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/16/liturgys-hunter-hunt-hendrix-discusses-burst-beats-apophasis-and-the-process-of-ecstatic-annihilation/#comment-811798 anon Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:49:00 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22410#comment-811798 i wish this guy would just make music for himself and stop talking so much, because really, no one's asking. i wish this guy would just make music for himself and stop talking so much, because really, no one’s asking.

]]> By: Gurrett William Beigle http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/16/liturgys-hunter-hunt-hendrix-discusses-burst-beats-apophasis-and-the-process-of-ecstatic-annihilation/#comment-755102 Gurrett William Beigle Tue, 28 Jun 2011 18:45:13 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22410#comment-755102 Finally an intelligent argument from a person who doesn't like these Liturgy. kudos. Finally an intelligent argument from a person who doesn’t like these Liturgy. kudos.

]]> By: Negro Metal Aryan http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/16/liturgys-hunter-hunt-hendrix-discusses-burst-beats-apophasis-and-the-process-of-ecstatic-annihilation/#comment-719327 Negro Metal Aryan Mon, 30 May 2011 22:28:09 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22410#comment-719327 ^^ Achtung!! ^^ ^^ Achtung!! ^^

]]> By: DRONGO METAL http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/16/liturgys-hunter-hunt-hendrix-discusses-burst-beats-apophasis-and-the-process-of-ecstatic-annihilation/#comment-700427 DRONGO METAL Sun, 15 May 2011 05:44:20 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22410#comment-700427 Fuck this hippy shit. DARKTHRONE BURZUM BATHORY CELTIC FROST INQUISITION This is real black metal that does everything these pretencious hipster fucks have ripped off. Liturgy are NOT good. fuck this shit. FUCK DISCRACE TO METAL Fuck this hippy shit.
DARKTHRONE
BURZUM
BATHORY
CELTIC FROST
INQUISITION
This is real black metal that does everything these pretencious hipster fucks have ripped off.
Liturgy are NOT good. fuck this shit.
FUCK
DISCRACE TO METAL

]]> By: Miclo http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/16/liturgys-hunter-hunt-hendrix-discusses-burst-beats-apophasis-and-the-process-of-ecstatic-annihilation/#comment-696421 Miclo Tue, 10 May 2011 20:00:35 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22410#comment-696421 Guys, let's drag this outdated thread no one cares about through the anal mud cause afterall, metal fucking sucks! If it's true that Liturgy is inferior metal, then saying so is not groupthink, but speaking the truth. Sometimes the ones sucking social cock are the bands themselves. Guys, let’s drag this outdated thread no one cares about through the anal mud cause afterall, metal fucking sucks!

If it’s true that Liturgy is inferior metal, then saying so is not groupthink, but speaking the truth.

Sometimes the ones sucking social cock are the bands themselves.

]]> By: Ron http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/16/liturgys-hunter-hunt-hendrix-discusses-burst-beats-apophasis-and-the-process-of-ecstatic-annihilation/#comment-671961 Ron Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:30:06 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22410#comment-671961 I don't know why i'm sticking up for liturgy they aren't even all that good. I guess it just annoys me how everyone eats scene dick and accepts they can't like something just because it doens't fit in with a certain scene parlance. do you all really hate Liturgy's basic, repetitive black metal or do you just feel an assault on your perceptions of yourselves as "Metal Heads"? I don’t know why i’m sticking up for liturgy they aren’t even all that good. I guess it just annoys me how everyone eats scene dick and accepts they can’t like something just because it doens’t fit in with a certain scene parlance. do you all really hate Liturgy’s basic, repetitive black metal or do you just feel an assault on your perceptions of yourselves as “Metal Heads”?

]]> By: josh http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/16/liturgys-hunter-hunt-hendrix-discusses-burst-beats-apophasis-and-the-process-of-ecstatic-annihilation/#comment-666868 josh Mon, 11 Apr 2011 04:32:47 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22410#comment-666868 They try way too hard to appear to be intellectual. Luckilly the metal head community is smart enough to see through their BS. Let them continue playing hipster music festivals for foolish hipster posers. This music is fine for hipster fools that have no metal in their souls. Weak music for weak people. all talk with no substance. They try way too hard to appear to be intellectual. Luckilly the metal head community is smart enough to see through their BS. Let them continue playing hipster music festivals for foolish hipster posers. This music is fine for hipster fools that have no metal in their souls.

Weak music for weak people. all talk with no substance.

]]> By: ZMC http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/16/liturgys-hunter-hunt-hendrix-discusses-burst-beats-apophasis-and-the-process-of-ecstatic-annihilation/#comment-666864 ZMC Mon, 11 Apr 2011 04:27:04 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22410#comment-666864 This band is the definition of hipster wannabe black metal. This band is the definition of hipster wannabe black metal.

]]> By: Miclo http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/16/liturgys-hunter-hunt-hendrix-discusses-burst-beats-apophasis-and-the-process-of-ecstatic-annihilation/#comment-651491 Miclo Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:50:28 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22410#comment-651491 Reading the posts again, the main point is perhaps not clear. These bands are turds worthy of scorn because they're using black metal to pretend to be something they're not. Metal will transcend on its own terms, or die standing up with heroism. It may seem rigid and limiting, but it's in harmony with the universe that created us. For everyone else, there's always Pink Frothy AIDS. Reading the posts again, the main point is perhaps not clear. These bands are turds worthy of scorn because they’re using black metal to pretend to be something they’re not. Metal will transcend on its own terms, or die standing up with heroism. It may seem rigid and limiting, but it’s in harmony with the universe that created us. For everyone else, there’s always Pink Frothy AIDS.

]]> By: Miclo http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/16/liturgys-hunter-hunt-hendrix-discusses-burst-beats-apophasis-and-the-process-of-ecstatic-annihilation/#comment-651246 Miclo Thu, 24 Mar 2011 20:09:40 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22410#comment-651246 The second wave (Darkthrone, Burzum, Immortal and a few others) was the last authentic one in that it set a benchmark never met since. It matters absolutely what we call this "new shit", because if you call it post-BM, the implication is it's the next step in the evolution of the genre when a study of the content reveals it not so. This is important for those who believe black metal to be the pinnacle of metal itself: more than extremity and the melancholy of dwelling in darkness but the light found _within_ the affirmation of its terms and the warrior spirit cultivated in fighting it, instead of the false light (in metal symbolism: the light of Christ) of rejecting it. This is why you can be Christian and enjoy metal, but Christianity and Christ-like ideals have no place in it. In the context of a metal scene, this dude is a Christ-like figure, a seeming sage trying to explain away metal's heritage with a personal Buddhism, instead of the demonic gods of the underworld we know and love. At this point we should say, to each his own, and in true metal spirit blaspheme the enemy in a cry of holy war (metaphorically of course but you never know, hehe) because in just war the victor is a better archetype of the natural/cosmic order. So to summarize, if Black Metal is ever truly transcended, it won't be by a bunch of pretentious douchebags with neatly cropped hair who enjoy anal sex with well endowed... The second wave (Darkthrone, Burzum, Immortal and a few others) was the last authentic one in that it set a benchmark never met since. It matters absolutely what we call this “new shit”, because if you call it post-BM, the implication is it’s the next step in the evolution of the genre when a study of the content reveals it not so. This is important for those who believe black metal to be the pinnacle of metal itself: more than extremity and the melancholy of dwelling in darkness but the light found _within_ the affirmation of its terms and the warrior spirit cultivated in fighting it, instead of the false light (in metal symbolism: the light of Christ) of rejecting it.

This is why you can be Christian and enjoy metal, but Christianity and Christ-like ideals have no place in it. In the context of a metal scene, this dude is a Christ-like figure, a seeming sage trying to explain away metal’s heritage with a personal Buddhism, instead of the demonic gods of the underworld we know and love.

At this point we should say, to each his own, and in true metal spirit blaspheme the enemy in a cry of holy war (metaphorically of course but you never know, hehe) because in just war the victor is a better archetype of the natural/cosmic order. So to summarize, if Black Metal is ever truly transcended, it won’t be by a bunch of pretentious douchebags with neatly cropped hair who enjoy anal sex with well endowed…

]]> By: Ron http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/16/liturgys-hunter-hunt-hendrix-discusses-burst-beats-apophasis-and-the-process-of-ecstatic-annihilation/#comment-651015 Ron Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:16:12 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22410#comment-651015 Also I don't dispute that this Hunter guy sounds pretentious I think thats intentional i'm sure he loves the idea of winding people up Also I don’t dispute that this Hunter guy sounds pretentious I think thats intentional i’m sure he loves the idea of winding people up

]]> By: Ron http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/16/liturgys-hunter-hunt-hendrix-discusses-burst-beats-apophasis-and-the-process-of-ecstatic-annihilation/#comment-651000 Ron Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:04:39 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22410#comment-651000 Interesting I like your point about understanding it on an holistic level. I first heard Transylvanian Hunger when I was 16 and i'm 28 now. I saw it as the aural equivalent of a blade through flesh, the relief of that feeling. BM is a release. However unlike punk it has no concrete economic foundation by which you can clearly define it. For example punk can be a twee acoustic song so long as it is released diy and played at squats or all ages shows. Black Metal has nothing so quantifiable. It was sped up metal-punk as a blue print and that blue print has been expanded upon in many interesting ways. If as a lifestyle BM must be extreme, then do you mean it must be theatrically so? Perhaps so called "hipster BM" is a representation of extreme feeling by people who wear chinos, of course i'm being sarcastic hear. But you get my point. I think for me what makes BM, BM is an extreme, melancholia. En Vind Av Sorg, Dunkelheit, uried By Time and Dust those really have everything that is essential about BM. Thats was the peak of the genre in terms of prototypical BM. What has come since has been an awful lot of hobbyist crap, some great stuff, both in Europe and America (Thorns, Weakling, ABSU, a lot of the Les Legions Noires stuff) I guess you can define this new American Wave, like Krallice, Liturgy, Fell Voices and even Phil Elverum's recent Mount Eerie stuff as something other than BM. But what then and why should it matter what it's termed as? Interesting I like your point about understanding it on an holistic level. I first heard Transylvanian Hunger when I was 16 and i’m 28 now. I saw it as the aural equivalent of a blade through flesh, the relief of that feeling. BM is a release. However unlike punk it has no concrete economic foundation by which you can clearly define it. For example punk can be a twee acoustic song so long as it is released diy and played at squats or all ages shows. Black Metal has nothing so quantifiable. It was sped up metal-punk as a blue print and that blue print has been expanded upon in many interesting ways. If as a lifestyle BM must be extreme, then do you mean it must be theatrically so? Perhaps so called “hipster BM” is a representation of extreme feeling by people who wear chinos, of course i’m being sarcastic hear. But you get my point. I think for me what makes BM, BM is an extreme, melancholia. En Vind Av Sorg, Dunkelheit, uried By Time and Dust those really have everything that is essential about BM. Thats was the peak of the genre in terms of prototypical BM. What has come since has been an awful lot of hobbyist crap, some great stuff, both in Europe and America (Thorns, Weakling, ABSU, a lot of the Les Legions Noires stuff) I guess you can define this new American Wave, like Krallice, Liturgy, Fell Voices and even Phil Elverum’s recent Mount Eerie stuff as something other than BM. But what then and why should it matter what it’s termed as?

]]> By: Miclo http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/16/liturgys-hunter-hunt-hendrix-discusses-burst-beats-apophasis-and-the-process-of-ecstatic-annihilation/#comment-650924 Miclo Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:50:11 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22410#comment-650924 Black Metal belongs to people who understand it on a holistic level, which means _living_ the ideals that brought it into life, and if you're a musician, this will come out in the music, and those who live the same way will connect with it on an intellectual-spiritual level. Liturgy is not Black Metal, it only sounds like it. This guy himself says he wishes to "transcend" it, but all they're doing is playing some kind of emo-core in a black metal style. Passable. Black Metal belongs to people who understand it on a holistic level, which means _living_ the ideals that brought it into life, and if you’re a musician, this will come out in the music, and those who live the same way will connect with it on an intellectual-spiritual level.

Liturgy is not Black Metal, it only sounds like it. This guy himself says he wishes to “transcend” it, but all they’re doing is playing some kind of emo-core in a black metal style. Passable.

]]> By: Ron http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/16/liturgys-hunter-hunt-hendrix-discusses-burst-beats-apophasis-and-the-process-of-ecstatic-annihilation/#comment-649744 Ron Wed, 23 Mar 2011 02:36:13 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22410#comment-649744 Miclo I understand your fears but I think there is contradiction in what you say. You don't want black metal to become safe but you want to put limits and borders upon it to keep out people you regard as missing the point of it. Black Metal in Scandinavia was a reaction, a reaction to trite death metal and to conformity. Now as Fenriz often states Black Metal is out there for everyone to interpret for themselves. Some like Immortal and Dimmu Borgir will bring it into the mainstream whilst others will seek to push it sonically. It is those bands which profit financially from it which will surely make it safe. I like what bands like Liturgy and Fell Voices are doing. Black Metal belongs to no one in particular. Miclo I understand your fears but I think there is contradiction in what you say. You don’t want black metal to become safe but you want to put limits and borders upon it to keep out people you regard as missing the point of it. Black Metal in Scandinavia was a reaction, a reaction to trite death metal and to conformity. Now as Fenriz often states Black Metal is out there for everyone to interpret for themselves. Some like Immortal and Dimmu Borgir will bring it into the mainstream whilst others will seek to push it sonically. It is those bands which profit financially from it which will surely make it safe. I like what bands like Liturgy and Fell Voices are doing. Black Metal belongs to no one in particular.

]]> By: Miclo http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/16/liturgys-hunter-hunt-hendrix-discusses-burst-beats-apophasis-and-the-process-of-ecstatic-annihilation/#comment-649301 Miclo Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:13:37 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22410#comment-649301 It's not that these hipsters are malicious, not inherently. It's that they wish to assimilate black metal and make it safe. In safety is comfort but stagnation, thus no room to move except sideways, which in black metal terms would mean masturbating with aesthetics. Liturgy is surely smart, and they're probably nice guys, but they misunderstand the genre and its hedonistic acceptance of the nature of evil and its importance in the world. In fact they fear it, so dilute it with half-baked religious philosophy, in the process removing the horrific aspects that made black metal great. In conclusion, enjoy your AIDS!!! It’s not that these hipsters are malicious, not inherently. It’s that they wish to assimilate black metal and make it safe. In safety is comfort but stagnation, thus no room to move except sideways, which in black metal terms would mean masturbating with aesthetics.

Liturgy is surely smart, and they’re probably nice guys, but they misunderstand the genre and its hedonistic acceptance of the nature of evil and its importance in the world. In fact they fear it, so dilute it with half-baked religious philosophy, in the process removing the horrific aspects that made black metal great.

In conclusion, enjoy your AIDS!!!

]]> By: Ron http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/16/liturgys-hunter-hunt-hendrix-discusses-burst-beats-apophasis-and-the-process-of-ecstatic-annihilation/#comment-623134 Ron Tue, 15 Feb 2011 05:02:41 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22410#comment-623134 If a hipster is a young middle class person with a suburban background who has moved to an urban area in search of more culture, work, an education then I suppose this guy might be a hipster. I don't really think that makes his music any less relevant. You either like it or you don't...judging him on his clothes and the place he lives/background makes you a poser. Liturgy are a good band, i don't really care if they are "hipsters" If a hipster is a young middle class person with a suburban background who has moved to an urban area in search of more culture, work, an education then I suppose this guy might be a hipster. I don’t really think that makes his music any less relevant. You either like it or you don’t…judging him on his clothes and the place he lives/background makes you a poser. Liturgy are a good band, i don’t really care if they are “hipsters”

]]> By: DestroyYouAlot http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/16/liturgys-hunter-hunt-hendrix-discusses-burst-beats-apophasis-and-the-process-of-ecstatic-annihilation/#comment-622099 DestroyYouAlot Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:55:17 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22410#comment-622099 Utter nonsense. If there's a definition of "hipster", it may as well be "anyone who'd swallow this load of psuedo-intellectual horseshit". You're all worthless and weak. Utter nonsense. If there’s a definition of “hipster”, it may as well be “anyone who’d swallow this load of psuedo-intellectual horseshit”. You’re all worthless and weak.

]]> By: jack http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/10/16/liturgys-hunter-hunt-hendrix-discusses-burst-beats-apophasis-and-the-process-of-ecstatic-annihilation/#comment-567566 jack Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:28:48 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=22410#comment-567566 just because you don't have a mohawk doesn't mean you can't play punk rock. there is no such thing as a 'black metal' lifestyle. there is no such thing as a 'punk' lifestyle or a 'hipster' lifestyle. we all pay rent. we all shit. we all fuck and look for other people to fuck which is why some of us have mohawks and some of us wear corpse paint, its for the ladies whether intentionally or subconciously. we all listen to music and some of us make it. we're all the fucking same. thats the point guys. YA FUCKIN' MISSED IT. how 'bout we all smoke some fuckin' pot and watch some carl sagan's cosmos. fer real. stop taking yr shit too seriously. just because you don’t have a mohawk doesn’t mean you can’t play punk rock. there is no such thing as a ‘black metal’ lifestyle. there is no such thing as a ‘punk’ lifestyle or a ‘hipster’ lifestyle. we all pay rent. we all shit. we all fuck and look for other people to fuck which is why some of us have mohawks and some of us wear corpse paint, its for the ladies whether intentionally or subconciously. we all listen to music and some of us make it. we’re all the fucking same. thats the point guys. YA FUCKIN’ MISSED IT. how ’bout we all smoke some fuckin’ pot and watch some carl sagan’s cosmos. fer real. stop taking yr shit too seriously.

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