SCRAPED THAT GENIUS OFF OUR WHEEL
Friday, October 16th, 2009 at 4:30pm by MetalSucks
We have fired Gary Suarez. There will be no more Scraping Genius Off the Wheel.
We have put up with Gary’s bullshit for a long time now. Whether it was praising Bush or defending Chris fucking Cornell or giving unauthorized interviews where he admitted to being “the odd man out at MetalSucks” or naming Kingdom of Sorrow’s album the best of 2008 or Andrew WK’s I Get Wet the best metal album of the 21st century, Gary has been at the center of more screaming matches during MS editorial meetings than any other writer we’ve ever worked with. And we generally loved his writing just enough to put up with his nonsense.
But that Oceano review was going too far.
We don’t censor our writers here; if we assign them an album for review, we allow them to say whatever they like, regardless of our editors’ feelings. That’s why you’ll often read contradictory statements here on MS; we’re all grown-ups and we hope that you, our readers, will recognize that the opinions of one writer do always represent the opinions of MetalSucks as a whole.
But here’s the thing: we never assigned Gary to review Depths. He did it on his own.
We begged him to change the rating. He argued with us until we were all blue in the face, insisted it was the best thing to happen to death metal in years and blah blah blah. This coming from a man who had previously told us he loathed death metal.
And, as it turns out, not everyone understands that the opinions of one writer do not represent those of MS as a whole. Because suddenly his five outta five review is getting quoted in Oceano press releases and on their MySpace page and somewhere the dudes from Mastodon are probably wondering how we could possibly think that Depths is as good as Crack the Skye. Which we do not.
Once it was clear that Gary’s review had spiraled out of control and was doing actual damage to the reputation of MetalSucks, we asked him to write a statement basically saying “Hey, this is just my opinion.”
His response? “Go fuck yourselves.”
That’s a direct quote.
It wasn’t long before Vince and Sammy were actively holding Axl and Gary apart. Never in our three year history has there been a physical altercation amongst the MetalSucks staff, but that was that. When the dust had cleared we had to give Gary the boot.
So that’s that. You won’t be hearing from Gary around here anymore.
And for the record, we think that Depths sucks.
-Axl & Vince
“And for the record, we think that Depths sucks.”
Looking at the crap that’s usually in the front page, no one would think that was the case.
Zing!
it can’t be any worse than crack the skye, right?
/checks youtube
it’s a tie.
As Brent’s sobriety coach, I can assure you that he has never wondered if Oceano’s record was as good as Crack the Skye.
Zing again!
Garys articles sucked anyway, never read his bullshit.
MORE EYAL!
I agree with everything you just said.
+1
10000 Percent agree. I never read any of his articles they blew
fuck eyal hes a fucking pretentious prick
fuck you you’re fucking pretentious homosexual
Okay that made no sense. Eyal is an extremely nice guy.
i don’t think you understand the meaning of the word “pretentious”.
he is slightly pretentious, yes it is true
HAHHH. and we all thought he was being sarcastic, not simply a raving lunatic. Sounds like you made the right choice to get rid of the pussy. He was dragging yall down anyways.
The review was very well written, though five stars for a piece of shit album by a terrible band is unjustifiable. You guys get a lot of heat from us internet folk, but I guess that’s what it’s all about.
For what it’s worth, this site is probably my favorite source of metal entertainment, regardless of any shit I may talk from time to time.
It was not well-written you fucking idiot.
I beg to differ. And you can go fuck yourself, conceded twat.
I can see why big words would impress you, since you have no command of them yourself. “Conceited”
Touche to pointing out my error, I tend to react emotionally and failed to use the right word. For the record, it wasn’t his “big words” that impressed me, it was his writing, which I happen to like. If you’re going to grill me for having that opinion, then so be it. I don’t see where you get off calling me a ‘fucking idiot’ for simply saying I thought it was a well written review, especially when compared to a lot of the bullshit, 20 word-or-less reviews you find on the net these days.
I’m sick of arguing with people on the internet, it’s so damn pointless. What ever happened to being united as fans of the best genre of music? We may have differing opinions; one band may be the worst thing in the world to me and the best to you, but doesn’t listening to metal still connect us as people in some way? Fuck it, I’ll probably get a lot of heat for trying to make peace instead of perpetuate arguments. For what it’s worth, I apologize for reacting emotionally to a statement I thought was unprovoked and unnecessary. I actually have a lot of respect for stuff you post, I just don’t respect you bitching me out for having an opinion.
Your blog is pretty cool, too (and I’m not being facetious). Here’s to loving metal and not hating on one another.
And I apologize for providing the unprovoked and unnecessary statement. It’s just been bothering me how many people confuse wordiness with writing talent, and I see that’s not the case with you. I like most of what Suarez’s posts too, he was one of my favorite writers for this site. And that was pretty damn big of you to respond the way you did, I have a lot of respect for you. It’s too easy to argue online, I appreciate you ending it right there.
Time to listen to some Skeletonwitch!
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Ah..The typical internet argument…Fuck you!! No Fuck you!! I apologize and I love you…I apologize and I love you too..Lets be friends…Get a room
Group hug!
I find this hilariously amusing.
Metal. Serious fucking business.
Wait… that Oceano review was serious? Are you guys serious? Now I’m confused.
HAHA, I thought the same thing.
Me too. I thought that shit was sarcasm for sure. I thought most of us on here collectively acknowledged it was sarcasm. Oh well… Fuck that guy.
what’s even more hilarious was all those clowns calling everyone stupid for not realizing it was sarcasm. Who’s confused now?
I’m pretty confused… I assumed it was sarcasm, just because no one over the age of fourteen likes Oceano that much.
I’m with you, what the hell is going on? BTW I don’t care that much for him getting the boot.
Everyone called me a fucking idiot and said i wasn’t going to graduate college cause i couldnt tell if it was authentic or not lol.
Well frankly im still confused. So maybe not so much on that whole “diploma” thing, eh?
I thought it was sarcasm, too. Unless this post is a joke, too. I don’t know what to believe anymore! :(
Weird.
Whoa, DRAMA!
Oh bullshit. Quoted in Oceano reviews = more visitors to this site, which equals more sponsor money for you. Axl was probably just pissed that Gary stole his malt liquor or some shit.
I thought it was a joke. I thought Gary was pretty much always joking and playing the clown.
I AM SO CONFUSED.
Me too. It was clearly a joke. Maybe Axl/Vince didnt even understand it?
It was a joke. They had enough of his bullshit joking. Simple, really.
I may think that the Oceano review was one of the best things on this site in ages, but if he acted like an unprofessional asshole like that, then he deserved to be fired.
Totally. If he won’t admit that the review was sarcastic, then he needs to get the boot. That review is only gonna bring more fucktard scene kids to this site, and that aggression will not stand, man.
Double agreed.
Lebowski reference?
We’re talking about unchecked aggression!
I’m talking about drawing a line in the sand, Dude! Across this line, you do not …. also, Dude, ‘Chinaman’ is not the preferred nomenclature.
Eight-year-olds, Dude.
“Donnie you’re out of your element”
Well, that’s like, your opinion, man.
That’s right man. Don’t fuck with the Jesus.
I thought that was joke because you constantly bash on Deathcore and terrible bands of their ilk. Uninteresting, trendy garbage.
Didn’t Vince quit the site a few weeks ago too?
If this is true, I’m going with Suarez. To fire Suarez and keep writers like Rich Hallford and Dallas Coyle is a sin, and not the cool metal kind either. It’s the kind of sin that sends you to the circle of Hell ruled by Fred Durst. That being said, I highly doubt this is real. The amount of drama is unrealistic.
That’s sorta what I’m figuring, “Friday Funnies” or some shit like that. Joke’s sorta weak when it’s being done the same time, and if he was actually kicked out, it’s a bit low-class to toss all the details in there.
Course, low-class is how this site operates, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised if it’s true. I just think it’s funny that they claim defending Bush is some sort of anti-metal sin punishable by being booted off a site. Liberal bias much?
If there was actually a physical altercation, they should use pictures of it for the next Funny Photo Caption Contest. I picture lots of slapping and pinching.
I’m thinking one of the slapping contests like they have on South Park when Kyle and Cartman fight.
That’s exactly what i was picturing as well.
Yup and Lolz @ this: doing actual damage to the reputation of MetalSucks.
I think that ship finally sailed with the Converge leak fiasco.
I think they meant Bush the band
They were talking about the band Bush, not the president.
hahahaha, they are seriously using a quote from it. I called it back when the review went up. What a bunch of retards.
Anybody that DJs at a metal show should not blog at a Metal blog. Sorry Gary…
What gave it away was “MS editorial meetings”, wayyy too much work involved for you boys
And I openly invite Gary to write for my blog with no restrictions
no one cares about your blog
Why do you think I need Suarez?
To talk about Bush and Chris Cornell?
Exactly.
BOOSH
Dude, get Suarez to write for you, and I’ll bookmark your site in front of all the other metal blogs I bookmark. (lol Admittedly, there’s really not much in my proposition for you, except that I’ll read yours first every morning, but it’ll be cool)
^ you don’t want him reading your site…he likes disturbed, and hawthorne heights
Umm… I’m sorry?
what the fuck is going on?
This seems kind of lame. Aren’t all reviews opinions? I don’t think that needs to be stated. There is a lot of crap on here that gets good reviews. You really think the Mastodon dudes care that much about this website? I’m sure they’re not losing sleep over the Oceano review. No one really should.
what a dick fuck em then
For the record I think Gary Suarez is a genius.
The rest of you are all ridiculously lame motherfuckers sitting tight on a genre that insists on taking itself so seriously it hurts, Suarez at least realised that metal is a genre that cannot possibly for one moment sit comfortably with itself and capitalised on that by having more than a couple of subtle digs as to oppose some meatheads stereotypical sense of outrage.
You get it dude.
i agree with you and for the record so i can get bashed i love deathcore cuz if it wasnt for deathcore i wouldnt have started learning bout real death metal. if i had to listen to just straight metal id go crazy i need different variations of it. OH im a juggalo to so please hate me more cuz once again im different from you guys. Or you guys could like me for being a human being and and not my interest. I swear some people have way to much hate in their hearts
No one hates juggalos because they are different, they hate them because they are pieces of shit.
Well, most of them smell like it anyway
oh, oh, oh and their taste in music blows
if thats so then y am i a new car manager at apple honda
If you’re a manager at a car dealership and you have grammar like that, then they’re pretty much screwed.
How does saying where you work prove that juggalos aren’t retards that smell like poo and have horrible taste in music?
I’m the Emperor of the Known Universe, too, I’m just in disguise so the Bad people won’t find me.
New car manager? Probably one of the retards who washes cars and fucks the paint up. That’s if you even have a job, since most juggalos are so mentally deficient and physically disgusting, they couldn’t get jobs as gay leper fluffers.
I hope this is article is fake so, so much. Because I love Gary, and that article was clearly, clearly sarcasm.
It was sarcasm and hilarious, but when the band takes it seriously and you refuse to admit that it was sarcasm then you’re sort of being a dick.
i never read his post simply because i dont like his music, but to fire him. really? seems a bit extreme. the stuff he wrote about bands i liked was always good
Lame!
It’s because people were quoting the review and helping a band that legitimately sucks. He should have written a “this is my opinion” thing or at least at the bottom of the review wrote *this is a joke*
Reviews are inherently opinion; they cannot be anything else. To say “This is my opinion” before or after a review is like pointing at water and saying “That is water. Also it is wet.” Reviews are completely subjective; while they might be based on objective facts, it is utterly impossible for a review to be anything but subjective personal opinion. Anyone who doesn’t understand that shouldn’t be writing articles on a blog, or press releases for a band.
Getting kicked off a site for writing a positive review of a band one likes but others don’t is about like getting kicked out of school because you wore a red shirt and your teacher only likes blue shirts. Quite contrary to the “We don’t censor our authors” bit at the beginning of the article, doing such a thing is the absolute epitome of censorship.
While I started reading this a little girl pointed at my water bottle(that cost fucking $4.50) it scared me alittle.
“Salt is salty.” –Patton Oswalt
Truth has been spoken.
I actually listened to District of Misery or whatever… it was all right. I mean, I wasn’t foaming at the mouth to hear it again. And though I don’t like their songwriting, I do like their singer. He has a good voice, in my opinion.
Now, I wouldn’t give Oceano five horns at all, maybe two and a half or three, but they’re not complete wastes of space like some people think.
God I hope this is a joke. Gary’s articles were always great and gave attention to some subgenres that are often sorely lacking coverage on the site (namely sludge and noisecore). I refuse to believe that the Oceano review was anything but dry sarcasm with a heavy side helping of irony and to ask someone to explain that is like having to explain why a joke is funny to a really dumb person who doesn’t get it. Am I that person?
You should have fired him for liking nirvana.
every other writer should be fired for liking gojira…
What…?
oh yeah… I aboslutely agree..
+1000!
deathcore sucks
I think this might be a joke too. Both guys were joking about all the hoopla on twitter.
I think you’re right.Hopefully this is just a multi-layered ironic joke b/c I really liked his articles. If they tag all Gary’s old articles with the dickhead tag, then I’ll start to wonder.
good way to fix this… put “depths sucks” as your your headline in lieu of “neither fair nor balanced”
sounds like gary is a total douche, who doesn’t realize the metal community takes what you guys do seriously. whetev’s.
also: that thing on Oceano’s site is hilarious.
“…going forward, I cannot possibly any credibly anthropological survey of such a culture…”
what?
Agreed: someone missed the joke. And grammar class.
Idiots.
thank god. Oceano sucks. I was a little worried with your amazing review of it. Firing him over liking Oceano should be enough just cause
if this means that you’ll give more space to that goof from hipsters out of metal, i’ll be ignoring this site for sure…
seriously, don’t stop with Suarez when that incoherent moron needs to get the sack as well.
It makes sense why they fired him. Metalsucks.com, like it or not is a pretty big metal website, and lots of people respect their opinions. The name metalsucks.com, is a brand like any other brand and when you see it on things like sponsoring a specific tour you expect a certain kind of music, whether you enjoy that music or not.
When you see those stickers on CD’s that have quotes like “…The best metal CD to come along in years etc….” Revolver Magazine…etc. That is giving that magazine’s brand approval. Yes we know its an opinion, but do you still think the 2 owners of that brand want their name on a CD or website stating that they think its the best thing to happen to metal? What if the band were Attack! Attack! that he did the sarcastic review about? People at hot topic are going to walk by the CD rack and see that CD that says “…The heaviest breakdowns of the decade…” Metalsucks.com, then they will believe it and any credibility that they do or do not have (thats up for debate) goes right out the window.
I’m sure there are legal avenues MetalSucks, as an entity, could use in order to have their review (even if it wasn’t endorsed by the rest of the staff, Suarez was a member when he wrote it for MS, hence, it’s ‘their’ review) not used in promotional material for Oceano. Firing Suarez isn’t going to do a damned thing about the fact that their review IS on Oceano promo material, so unless they’re going to file to have said review removed (legal experts will have to chime in, if any exist here, as it’s not my area of specialty), it’s a bit pointless to make such a fuss over his termination (if it’s not just another bullshit publicity stunt).
If they’re going to take real-world measures (not idle bitching on some internet forum) about their review being used (which brings to mind another point – it was my understanding that they would have had to given permission in the first place for the quote to be used, since I’d think official reviews on this site would fall under materials owned by MS, but not sure on that), and they want to make a snippy little blog post about firing someone for having an opinion that differs from their own, fine, it’s bullshit and it IS censorship, regardless of the claims MS makes about not censoring things, but if it’s nothing but a bunch of hot air and high-school-level backstabbing bullshit….well….that’d honestly be what I’d expect on this site.
It’s metalsucks.net… asshole.
Ummmm
Liking Immortal???
Firing that retard that claimed that the stupid album from the other retard with a bloody nose was somehow metal??
It looks like metal does not suck that much after all…
what`s next? A full week special of Profanatica??
I would kill for a full-week special on Profanatica!
I like Andrew W.K… He’s not a retard. He’s just party rock. It doesn’t fit THIS site, but its not like its BAD.
What the fuck!
Gary was the shit all of his articles were awesome.
And why the fuck do you guys care if Mastodon thinks Oceano is better than them. Do you think it will hurt little Mastodons ego. NO IT WON’T! They probably don’t even give a shit. If Gary thinks that Oceano is the next best thing than SO BE IT and he shouldn’t have to say that it is his opinion either because it clearly is. Ok he reviewed something he wasn’t supposed to but who cares, you guys probably wouldn’t have let him anyways. Anyways if Gary was joking or not, firing him seriously….
btw I think Oceano sucks balls
May Gary Suarez be known as the Biggest Douchebag Metal Sucks has ever done buisness with.
So. I’m a little confused. Was he fired because his opinions sharply contrasted with Metalsucks as a whole? Or did he actually do something wrong?
Yes.
Because his opinions contrasted, and wound up being used in a way that the other members of the editorial staff didn’t like. If he was actually fired, which is still up in the air at this point.
Good move. I’ve been a Metalsucks reader for a little over a year now, and it seemed clear to me Gary wrote to draw attention to himself rather than provide readers with worthwhile content. It’s one thing to host a writer who goes against the editorial grain – it’s another to give a prima donna a platform to wax philosophical about his superiority to his readership. I’m sure Gary will have a swell career writing for other self-serious hipsters. Is Gawker hiring?
I’ll be honest, I didn’t see this coming. I thought Suarez was something… well… different.
I never thought that Depths review would cause so much bother. Ah well, let’s move on now.
Unless this ‘firing’ is all a joke…
Actually, after having your website defamed in such a manner, I wouldn’t be surprised if you ripped his arms off. I’d do that.
So it wasn’t sarcastic… never mind.
I honestly thought Gary was being sarcastic when he reviewed Oceano, kinda like when you said Insane Clown Posse had the greatest metal album of the 21st century. I still agree that Andrew W.K. was going too far.
I look forward to Gary’s next article.
Hopefully it is all one big stupid joke. if not then Metalsucks is run by fucktards through and through. when you make yourselves look like asses with the idiotic crap that no one else likes you always point out that this is a blog and not a normal website therfore you are all entitled to write about anything you want. Now all of the sudden you think your credibility has been challenged and quickly you go from a blog to a website that needs to be taken seriosuly by Mastodon. He cant write a review about Oceano but you guys can spend the whole day sometimes writing about weed. Nice. Anyways, this only applies if this whole thing is not a joke. If its not a joke then you should indeed go fuck yourselves.
oceano has that one good song? Dsitrict of Misery? that was cool and the song right before it on the album
i dont really care much for any of the other songs… maybe a couple… parts.. lmao
decent band, not amazing, whatever though its just music. let the lil ex-emo kids have their band with the black dude in it lol
Yeah their ambient parts are alright but they’re few and far between. 90% percent of their stuff is just chugging.
i usually skip his posts anyway. joke or not i won’t be missing anything
This is pretty funny… assuming that it’s legit. I’m more than a bit confused.
If you need someone to fill his space periodically, I volunteer. I can come up with some random ramblings and rants and maybe even a joke or two.
I could ramble as well. I can easily write more genius like my majestic Iced Earth piece. I do need to practice my writing skills once in a blue, so I could also fill in periodically. But would I care enough to?
No my friend, you need to practice them quite a bit.
You not getting the joke =/= bad writing on my part.
You not getting the joke = bad reading comprehension skills (and bad taste in music).
I got the joke from the title of the article, it was just poorly written.
Seriously dude. Saying that people who like bands that you don’t like have bad music taste? That’s about as pretentious as one can get.
Iced Earth is objectively bad and unoriginal. That is fact.
Just because you don’t like them doesn’t make them bad. They have some very good stuff. They may reuse the same riff quite a bit, but there are quite a few bands that do that. Stop assuming that your opinions are facts.
best praisement of iced earth ever *throws on horror show*
For the love of god don’t let ziltoid ever write for this site.
also how much more awesome did my username just get from all this drama?
Your username would be funnier if it was “Blackchapel”, since that’s what Oceano is.
I’ve heard this joke recycled like 10 times on Lambgoat and it was barely funny the first time. Calling Oceano Blackchapel is stupid because once again it brings the attention to the fact they have 1 black member and draws away from the fact that they are a giant characture of everything wrong with Deathcore. People need to stop talking about how a man with dark pigmentation is growling for the band and start talking about how the guitarists only know 2 different chords.
I’m gonna go with “deathcore/black metal version of Whitechapel” for 100, Alex. But then, I don’t listen to either band, so I could be wrong. It’s equally funny if it’s a dig at a token black band member.
Hmmm… I wonder, Ziltoid… seeing as calling them Blackchapel is a little racist, why is it that they’re the only band you make these comments about? Why not talk about God Forblack, or Blackswitch Engage, or Blackendust…
Disclaimer: Just so everyone knows, I am not racist. I’m simply making the point that if you’re going to mock Oceano for having a black member instead of, you know, being crap, then you might as well do the same for these other bands.
I like how everyone is pointing out how “not racist” they are. What do you guys think, all the black people in America are going to hunt you down for making a joke about the color of their skin? Clearly none of you have ever really had a black friend in your lives. Just because we laugh at ethnic humor doesn’t make us racist.
BTW, those are some great plays on band names. Seriously. Kudos. I lol’d.
I’m just playing it safe… don’t want people to get the wrong idea.
I also thought about making a play off of Skindred’s name, but I wasn’t sure it it would be a bit too obscure… and it didn’t really flow.
“majestic?” You think your Iced Earth piece was majestic?
Well, I do like your use of the word mjaestic there, but you realize only very few people understood your satire? I’ll give you great credit for one thing; your interview with Cormorant (that is their name isn’t it? Pretty sure, but not entirely) was absolutely amazing as it was more than the standard questions and actually interesting (even if it was a bit lengthy).
But the Iced Earth piece, well, it didn’t come across as sarcastic until about halfway through the “That Riff” video. And if it takes until three minutes AFTER a five-minute joke to understand what the joke was– that there even was a joke– well… that’s a failure on your part. Considering about 85% of the readers had the same misconception that your article was serious.
Anyone with basic reading skills and good taste in music could easily tell that it was a satiric piece. Maybe that just speaks badly for 85% of the readers of this website and their reading comprehension abilities.
You are a pretentious prick… and you used to like Disturbed, too…
Hey hey, what do you mean “used to”?
Yeah, what do you mean “used to?” I’ve never liked that crappy band.
“Liked” nothing, we’re talking passionate Disturbed love from Altoid.
wow, i just read his interview at reign in blonde. was a total hipster douche bag he comes off as. I have no time for people who like write about metal and then pretend to not like it because it’s cooler than actually appreciating a genre. If you hate metal so much why do you seem to entirely exist as a gadfly to that genre? I don’t like hip hop, but I also don’t make my living writing for hip hop blogs, insulting people who do like it.
Kudos if he is truly fired, he can only be described as an assclown via his writing
Because metal in itself is ok, while the metal culture is about the gayest thing on earth.
I thought he was kinda different and thus fitted Metalsucks until I saw the quotes there.
Noise/post rock elements are awesome but Oceano still sounds like a Whitechapel rip-off. lol
Byebye, Gary.
Well I can’t tell if this is serious or not, but I really hope he’s gone.
Best thing Metalsucks has ever done. I love you guys now!
I really thought the Oceano thing was a joke. For some reason, every time I read something written by Gary, I thought it was sarcastic. He really didn’t fit it with the rest of the writers.
I think its weird that Gary gets fired for writing a review that contradicted what all the other people at MS thought but the dude who leaked Converge’s album hasn’t been fired.
THANK GOD. This made my day
Dear Metal Sucks,
Can you not just come out and say you didn’t like the guy? How old are we here? Because the rest of this shit makes no sense. And here’s an idea for you: instead of begging a writer to lower a ranking next time why don’t you consider the possibility of just writing an additional contrasting review? I mean, really, if you’re going to get this concerned about readers getting the wrong idea as to the reputation of your website then why the hell do you still call it “Metal SUCKS”? The whole goddamn site is built upon confusion. Even the name is disingenuous.
And let’s just suppose an outside editor begged you guys to lower your ranking of Living Colour’s new album since it hasn’t been cool to like that band since 1989? And then explain to me how what you’ve done to Gary is any different?? He was right to tell you to fuck off – any added on statement to that review would have had no effect other than to call the whole thing into question – and it amuses me to think you’re offended by his choice of words, as if this site is somehow an institution of maturity and professionalism. If it was most of us probably wouldn’t read it, dudes.
Since you got this so completely wrong please take another bit of advice: I could really care less about what this site likes and doesn’t like. We’re all going to form our own opinions anyway. All I care is that there’s consistently something interesting up here for me to read. Gary’s review was better than the band’s music itself. You should be PROUD of that. Not embarrassed little kids.
sup gary
haha found you bitch!!
lolololol
“instead of begging a writer to lower a ranking next time why don’t you consider the possibility of just writing an additional contrasting review? ”
Nah, it doesn’t make sense. Like, someone broke your favorite vase without any apologies and even said, you can buy another one.
I don’t think that AR and VN just regard writing this blog as a hobby. They really care about the recognition, image, professionalism and stuff. It’s nothing wrong with different opinions, tastes, yet what Gary did hurt this site, something AR and VN cherish very much.
It’s sad that Gary didn’t put himself in their shoes. But it’s not a surprise that a person who has no idea of compromise, cooperation failed to realize how important this site is to his partners.
Yeah, thats right, fire the one guy who made this website something other than a feedscrape of blabbermouth. Sardonic writing isn’t difficult to produce or anything.
Best thing MetalSucks has done. EVER.
How is that this guy gets fired by the dude who leaked Axe to Fall is off the fucking hook?
*but the dude
Because the guy who leaked Axe To Fall didn’t do it on purpose, he just made a stupid mistake, and I’m damn sure he won’t do it again.
I don’t think the MS staff is pissed at Suarez for his opinions on deathcore, I tihnk it has more to do with going against their best wishes and tarnishing thier name with a review, which I still think is clearly a joke, but nonetheless damaging
This seems like they would be taking a joke a little bit too far if it was one, I think he actually legitimately fucked up and hes gone. Everyone is saying “waa waa waa he got fired for his opinion”
No, he broke a rule.
He reviewed something he wasn’t assigned to review, and it ended up causing a minor amount of hell at Metalsucks. He was the worst writer on this site anyway.
If he wasn’t “supposed” to review the album, they wouldn’t have posted it – or left it posted – in the first place, especially if it actually did piss everyone else off. On top of that, when you have someone write pieces for your magazine/blog/website, you take the good with the bad. Had it really been such an issue – which it wasn’t in the first place, and only now is, evidently because the “credibility” of this website has been called into question by a band they don’t like using a quote from one of their writers – they could have very simply appended [This review is the sole opinion of Gary Suavez and does not represent the website...] at the end.
Anyone who takes reviews on this site seriously is daft, too – the outright bias in most articles is enough to toss the credibility of the author right out the window. I remember that coming up before – one of the writers did an article where they absolutely trashed a band because they personally didn’t like it, and instead of the review being a review, it was more of a “Let’s see how much I can insult this band and people who like it before I finish”. Said author was summarily called out on it in the comments by an overwhelming majority.
not necesserily the case, i remember one time axl had a hangover from hell, both axl and vince posted about the same thing (i think it was to do with alice in chains, but w/e) within a couple of minutes of each other, axl later removing his since it was the last to be posted. this infers that each writer writes and posts independantly of each other. i dunno, maybe they didn’t notice it for a while afterwards, say until oceano had used the quote (it did go up pretty damn quick), or a load of people had noticed.
to be honest, it sounds to me like they tried to take a reasonable path to resolve this, asking him to state that it was his own opinion rather than forcing him or changing it themselves, and gary acted like an arse, which is why he was fired. anyways, that’s my two cents, so to speak.
Meh. If it was that big a deal, they would have taken it down after he posted it, before Oceano decided to quote it. Reviews are inherently opinion, so even had he said “This was my opinion” it wouldn’t have changed a thing – Oceano would still have been quoting a MS review. If the editors of this site don’t want opinion pieces – i.e. reviews – being quoted outside of the site, they need to take the legal route to keep that from happening, whether it be one of those wonderful little “Everything here is ours, and if you fuckwads want to use it for your site, ask us first” or another means I’m not familiar with.
It’s a bit pathetic that the other editors actually asked Suarez to change his opinion or rewrite the piece, simply because they didn’t agree with it. Satire or not, if I’m reading the article right, they asked him to change it before it was even officially posted, which makes it even worse. To be honest, I never look at the name before the article, so I couldn’t tell you the difference between Axl and Gary, but for a group of people to tell someone else they need to change their opinion because the group doesn’t like it…it’s just a bit fucked up.
I forgot to add, if someone told me I needed to change my opinion because they didn’t like it, I’d tell them to fuck off, too.
point taken, reviews are opinion, the problem is that gary doesn’t own this website, so he is limited in what he writes here in a way. if he’s giving the site a reputation that isn’t what the owners (presumably axl and vince) want, they have the right to ask him to stop, or force him to. they were his bosses, in a way. it’s like, say, a copper being fired for making racist remarks on duty. not the best analogy, but you see where i’m going with this.
that being said, if they knew what he was doing before he posted and still didn’t do owt to stop it being used in a way they didn’t like, then you’re right, they need to get their shit together.
don’t get me wrong, i agree fully with what you’re saying, i just think it’s a little more complicated than just a difference of opinion. it’s hard to comment on what’s going on without actually having been there, but on the other hand, the speculation is half the fun :)
i agree, he has every right to tell them to fuck off, the problem is from what i see, they have every right to fire him for it. unfortunately, having a right to your opinion and said opinions being evenly wieghted only really works in a situation where people in the group are equals, not workers and employers such as here.
garys a douche, fuck oceano, game over.
I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON.
CAPSLOCK
you’re all retarded. look at how many people are commenting on this crap. his review was a joke, and this “firing” was a joke, and what did they want? you idiots talking about it, and what did they get? a bunch of idiots thiking they fired him for what was a joke review, and a joke firing…
well they obviously didn’t find his joke funny
ITT Mannyyy instances of trolling.
Thank you for reminding me why Metalsucks is one of my favorite sites.
this whole topic is a troll
The tag, dickhead, made me chuckle.
Also, it was pretty entertaining reading this.
About time you guys got rid of that dude. Oceano? those guys suck donkey balls
Change the header to “Fuck Oceano” or something.
I hate to ask, but is this for real? Or are you just dragging out the joke?
There’s more than one way to write/rate a review, but throwing a bunch of shit in randomly doesn’t cut it. Humor and sarcasm are okay, but there is such a thing as too much, especially when it’s the sole point of your review.
Take the time to actually read and try to understand what it says; it’s little more than a bunch of backhanded compliments surrounded by a bunch of confusing prose. There’s nothing in there that says to me that Gary actually liked the album, and his attitude towards it (and to be honest, seeing some of what he’s said in comments on other articles) doesn’t offer any indication otherwise.
I’m not really familiar with Oceano and don’t know whether the album ranks 11 on the bad-shit-o-meter or not, but I can’t help but feel sorry that they’ve taken the review for face value and it’s being used for promotional purposes (which is how a lot of reviews are intended in the first place). Reviews are done for a reason – bands, labels and distributors rely on them. Do it right. Don’t shine a turd and try to sell me gold.
Hate the album? Fine. Just fucking say so and back it up – if I’m going to read a review (or write one), it needs to actually say something meaningful, whether positive or negative towards the album.
This is all quite clearly a joke.
MetalSucks was a very enjoyable site when it first launched. Now…it has just crumbled to pieces.
I’d say it jumped the shark when they introduced us to IWRESTLEDABEARONCE. It’s all been downhill from there.
This.
BLACKCHAPEL
That’s the spirit!
Yup Deepths SUCKS!!!
Opinions on the internet are like grains of sand in a desert. You are all kidding yourselves if you think typing a little comment and arguing with one another over individual ideas makes you somehow a more complete, intelligent or correct in your own understanding. I am aware of the irony of this message but sometimes I think people have to pull their heads out of their ass and realize that in a world of 6.something billion people there is no one thing or idea that is right and it is this kind of self involved bullshit that prevents metal from being the global force that it could be.
Cool individual idea, bro.
Oh. HE got fired. Cool. Actually, now I think about it, the only articles I’ve been downright angry about were written by him.
Good call.
Wait wait wait. Hang on. You were worried a clearly ironic review of a widely maligned band would give you a bad rep? I don’t come to metalsucks to read about credible bands I might like, I come hear to read jokes about how shitty the majority of metal is.
I only ever really read the Suarez articles. Now I probably won’t be arsed. Well done folks. Well done.
Don’t let the door hit you on your way out, and have a good life.
Oh. I think it may be a joke.
I don’t know if you guys can do anything about it, but have you tried to contact Oceano and tell them that the review does not represent the site and request to have the review quote taken down?
If all this hullabaloo is true, it makes Gary pretty fucking metal.
I love how if you go to Gary’s blog (No Yoko No) he has an Oceano banner in the top right corner of the page. I’m not much of a fan of Oceano and never once read any of Gary’s post (although I’m not gonna say they sucked cause, well, I never read them. I’m not like half the people in the comments who say “Gary sucked. I never read his shit.” Idiots.) But, that’s pretty cool.
I never cared for that guy. His taste in music was horrible and he seemed to be of the elitist “my music is cooler and more awesome because you have not heard of it because you are an ignorant peasant now excuse me whilst I finish this blowing air up my ass” kind of man.
I know, right? Like who has ever heard of Andrew W.K.?
Well they were kickass….so kickass that they just wrote the same song over and over because they had already achieved perfection
I have heard of him.
the plot thickens; this comment on the oceano review is really making me suspect something is afoot. “Nickfromhell says:
October 12, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Hahaha!! Excellent review!
The kids in Oceano are so dumb that they’ll probably pull quotes from it and put it in their advertisements.”
I was just kidding around but the fact that they actually did it is hilarious! The down side is that the quote may actually trick people into buying their shitty album.
With Metalsucks being a website based primarily on humor, it would be rather foolish to get rid of Suarez. IMO, he was the funniest writer on the site. I’m still not convinced that this is legit, though.
wait, that oceano review was serious?
can i have his job?
Good Fucking Riddance to anyone who can’t work with people on a civilized plane of existence. I despise the majority of human life, but I can generally get along with anyone (even if I am faking it). You can’t work with a team and then tell the team to go fuck itself and not expect an altercation. This asshole got everything he had coming to him. I may not agree with a lot of the things you guys (METALSUCKS) say, but I do take logic and the possibility that I am wrong into consideration ALWAYS. I respect opinions (unless they’re wrong), but I also do NOT respect people just because they have an opinion. We all do. And just like assholes, our opinions are usually smelly and full of shit
Wait wait wait. Opinions can be wrong? Holy fuck. And here I thought they were subjective.
hitler thought he was right. does that make what he did ok? extreme example, but you get the point.
Extreme example, yes, but I get what you’re saying. There are only so many ways an opinion can be “wrong.” Hitler is an example. Rape is wrong, even though there is no such thing, only surprise sex, but thats just, like, my opinion, man. It was just that his statement “I respect opinions (unless they’re wrong)” struck me as odd, but I’s not no English major.
Ladies and Gentlemen, We Have A Godwin.
Everyone can go home now.
Huh, I’d not heard of Godwin’s Law before. Learn something new every day. I’m not calling anyone a nazi though, I’m pointing out that extreme opinions can be ‘wrong’ if they contradict what a society determines is ‘right’. I’ll avoid the nazi reference in future….
Suarez was the funniest writer you guys had! Even if he wasn’t being sarcastic, we all took it as such.. Bummed he’s gone. :(
Ok…… First off, I can’t tell if you are being serious or if this is a joke. Second, if this isn’t a joke then you reprsent everything that is wrong with music that we call “metal”. One characteristic that I have noticed in metal fans of all sub genres is that they are very opinionated. If another person disagress with their opionion then they are the worst person that ever existed. Lets take for example how much Nu metal gets bashed on. Ten years ago Nu metal was at the top of the metal world, now even stating that you like a new metal band is asking for a wave of insults not only directed at the said band, but also as the person themself. If i go and play some average joe a song by Nothingface then play them a song by Morbid Angle they would just say something like “thats angry and I can’t understand what they are saying.” If I played the same two songs for a metal fan they could tell you what genre it belongs to, what the key differences are and if its gay or not based on genre. Its all these damn egotistcal, nurotic, opinonated metal fans that keep metal itself from reaching a much bigger fan base. How much more egotisical can you get than firing a writer becasue his particular taste in metal is not concurrent with yours and then posting it on the net? Oh you don’t think like I do? Then that makes you a homosexual and I hate you. Grow the fuck up.
If this is some type of joke then good one.
I just reviewed the scraping genius from the wheel archives and realized how much cock this website is going to devour now without Gary’s content. You didn’t need to fire him, you needed ANOTHER contributor covering some of the same stuff, he was really all that kept you guys from being theprp content wise. I understand needing to axe him if he was misbehaving ( I personally thought his review was hilarious, and that that unauthorized interview actually reflected quite well on the rest of you), but you’d better have a suitable replacement lined up or this is just going to be hitparader.com .
Oh, and adding that you were fretting about what mastodon thought of your website was pretty fucking weak. You almost came out of this looking good, but that pretty much outed you a bunch of sheep. First off, who gives a fuck what they think? This isn’t OmgMastodonRules.com (as much as you fellas would like for it to be). Second, without ANY discernible voice of dissent this is just going to be a bunch of back-patting and trying to convince yourselves that half of the shit you champion on here isn’t from the same mold as your “Shitstain band of the week” department or whatever you call it. Third, your authority isn’t far reaching enough that Mastodon could ever conceivably care. I realize that it was intended to be on off the cuff remark, but it really is a symptom of a bigger problem concerning the mentality and questionable integrity of this website.
You’re reading way too deeply into this. The guy was a cocksucker. Cocksuckers don’t deserve to keep their jobs. End of story.
What if their job is sucking cocks?
Then they need to stop talking and suck more cocks.
gary suarez is my hero.
dudes, if this isnt a joke, then you guys unfortunately suck… literally. Garys writing was pretty cool, and preferrable to the daily Gojira fellating
Anyone defending Gary is defending Oceano
Which is an automatic homo card
I like Oceano, and last time I checked, I wasn’t gay.
YOU CHECKED WRONG
ummm… can you describe that link? Defending Gary Suarez is defending the ability to have an opposite opinion. I fucking HATE oceano, but i’m not going to prevent someone from saying they like it. They keep axl around and he fucking loves IWABO.
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2364/ffffuuuu.jpg
“Once it was clear that Gary’s review had spiraled out of control and was doing actual damage to the reputation of MetalSucks…”
Didn’t leaking Axe To Fall cover this?
WOW FUN TIMES!
All hail Mastodon
This is what Vince had to say about the “unauthorized review”:
“Lookie at that; our little boy is all growed up. The fine lasses at Reign In Blonde tapped Señor Suarez for an interview about metal, writing, and writing about metal. >It’s a pretty damn fine read if you ask us<.".
This is most definitely a joke. Physical altercation? HA HA.
If they are being serious, then Axl needs to fire himself for fellating ibuttfuckedamidgetonce.
lol @ all the retards postin
This is hysterical. If you wanted to introduce someone to the MetalSucks board this would be a perfect post to do so… Eluveitie posting and arguing a hundred different points, groverXIII following up with Lebowski references, Owen grumbling about problems with the genre, and Ziltoid being pretentious, contentious and annoying.
And by the way, the Blackchapel moniker is pretty funny.
Donny, you’re out of your element!
Ziltoid is awesome tbqh. No bias here.
i wish this was america’s funniest home videos and i was tom bergeron so i could give you 10,000 dollars.
I wish I was Tom Bergeron so people would come up to me and ask me, “Hey, Tom Bergeron, aren’t you the guy that was in ‘The Substitute’ and the ‘Sniper’ movies?” And I respond, “No, that’s Tom Berenger.”
Haha yep, that’s me. I agree, this topic does have a little of everything!
Really I couldn’t give a shit about the problems of the genre or the scene.
I’d rather listen to rock music, I find metal appropriately ridiculous and eternally self conscious. The only thing good about the whole genre is the talent, the remaining sentiment just seems focused around hating each other.
Don’t get me wrong, people who listen to metal are not stupid, most, however, have the tendency to be narrow minded bigots with huge chips on their shoulders, slugging it out with one another to find out who has the biggest chip. Although maybe this is all why Metalsucks is compulsive reading.
“I’d rather listen to rock music, I find metal appropriately ridiculous and eternally self conscious”
Yes.
I kind of skimmed over all of the above posts, and maybe this was already pointed out. If it already was, I apologize.
The fact that you never assigned Gary to review the Oceano CD is irrelevant. If you really disagreed with the review THAT strongly, why’d you let it on the site in the first place? Or why not simply write a differing review? Does one album = one review?
Also, I highly doubt that one review is going to do “damage to the repuation of MetalSucks”. You don’t have that great of a reputation to begin with. I come on here simply to argue with people and to try to get people to stop calling bands they hate “gay”. That’s about it. Most of the readers of this site – even the regulars – don’t take you guys too seriously. Get over yourselves already.
That being said, it would be fun to have another “Work For MetalSucks For A Day” contest, but this time, have Gary’s job as a prize. Hell, I was a finalist last time. Maybe I’d have a shot at working for the site that I spend so much time on.
I just read Gary’s review of “Depths”, which was pretty obviously a joke. (I hadn’t read it before writing my above comment.) I’ll say it again, though – even if it was a joke, why allow it on the site? Or why wouldn’t you at least write something a day or two later about it being a joke?
Oceano has now quoted the review on their MySpace, so it would appear MetalSucks is helping their career along. Good. For what it’s worth, I actually enjoy these guys. I even like most of the “deathcore” movement. I can understand why a few people wouldn’t get into the sound, but I really see nothing wrong with it. Sure, they’re no Mastodon. But it’s good, pissed-off metal. It’s fun to headbang to and scream along with. Isn’t that what metal’s about?
(Before you start arguing with me about my sexual preferences, I’m a happily married heterosexual. Let’s just get that out of the way.)
the bands you like are gay
Perhaps the dude can score a job over at blabbermouth…if it comes back online.
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7205/roadrunnerr.jpg
That was a cool image. As arrogant as Mustaine comes off sometimes I always love to hear what he has to say. Endgame is a great record for Megadeth and it reminded me why they were my first favorite metal band. I think B-mouth just posts every interview and article they can find of him just to see how many negative comments they can achieve.
Why does everyone care about shit?
Quote of the century, right there.
Vagina tastes good. So does Gary Suarez and all jokes pertaining to him or his jokes.
I don’t really give a fuck about any of this, but I am kind of confused. That Oceano review was his real opinion? I laughed when I read that, it seemed like he made a good effort at satirizing good reviews of terrible albums. That was serious?
…..
…..
..Satan.
MetalSucks is approaching Andy Kaufman levels of genius here.
I kinda don’t think they are kidding this time but…I seriously don’t know. Its driving me fucking nuts…and why? Why the fuck do I care about someone getting fired from a blog site? Christ, I hope my life hasn’t resorted to this.
Totally a Hoax. This is the interbuttz.
The dude likes Boris.
How can you fire anyone like that
I was going to credit him for his Vonnegut-esque use of satire, as I assumed he was kidding.
This is hilarious on so many levels. It’s all opinion anyways, one in which I find hard to take from anyone who doesn’t themselves MAKE music. At the end of the day, who cares what I think, Gary Suarez thinks or anyone other than the individual thinks. I’m a fan of snark undoubtedly but so many people bash hatefully and unnecessarily. Candor goes a long way no matter what you’re talking about. If people spent half as much time making music instead of endlessly critiquing they’d be a lot more personally satisfied and not feel a need to bash bands that even if they are good/bad are making a living off doing what they love.
i just wanted to be one more douchebag idiot to comment on this blog entry. thank you. :)
Dude, what the fuck is Oceano?
MetalSucks put a kid in a balloon too
Well, I guess, all I really have to say is that perhaps we don’t give Oceano enough credit. They must be doing something right, ’cause they’re obviously making fuckin’ waves. For example (provided that this isn’t all a joke, which I’m starting to doubt that it is), they’re tearing apart one of the best metal sites I’ve ever seen and they’re getting a lot of attention doing it. I realize that the way they are getting attention may not be the way they wanted to, but the fact that they are accomplishing something that many bands good bands can’t means something, if only for the principle of the situation. Maybe it’s time to reconsider my position on their music. I think I’ll go give Depths a listen. They may have just gained a new fan…..