TIBERIAN VOCALIZATIONS: CORMORANT’S ARTHUR VON NAGEL KEEPS IT IN THE FAMILY

Monday, October 19th, 2009 at 5:00pm by

tiberian
So I was working on the proper follow-up to my article “Anatomy of a Record Contract,” which, for all you aspiring bands out there, will be an in-depth guide to self-releasing a metal album.  I was finishing up a section listing effective methods for shipping merchandise, and I wrote a sentence that made me pause and realize how incredibly fortunate I am:

“To aid with packaging orders, your own family is potentially a valuable resource.”

Now family is a delicate subject for some, as it is for me on my father’s side.  But overall in Cormorant, we’ve all been blessed with family members supportive of our music.  While we were holed up for two weeks recording Metazoa, Matt Solis’s father visited us brandishing a mighty cauldron of chicken mole, and his brother Andrew contributed the album’s awesome keyboard tracks.  We’re very grateful for the horrible racket Brennan Kunkel’s poor grandparents were kind enough to endure when we practiced in their living room or garage, and all the beautiful operatic female vocal work on our albums comes courtesy of his sister Deborah Spake.  Nick Cohon’s dad actually tracked the rain stick parts on our song “Ballad of Beast” and did a hell of job of it.  On my end, my aunt Deborah Tibbetts contributed her significant graphic design skills to fashion the look of our EP The Last Tree, and my grandmother, despite being in her 70s (but still spry), comes to rock out at most of our shows.  My girlfriend Amber’s parents Alison and Greg Nelson and brother Ben have backed us for years, and her father not only helped us construct the sound-proof practice studio where we composed Metazoa, but he actually built the bass and one of the primary guitars you hear on the album.

And then there’s my mom.

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Meet Katherina von Nagel: daughter of a German harpsichord builder, immigrant from France, single-mother, and one the hardest-working people I will ever meet.  A huge number of you have been kind enough to order our latest album direct from us, and I can promise you the majority of those shipments were packaged at least in part with Kathy’s help.  I don’t think we’d have been able to get through dozens of hours of poster and T-shirt folding, customs form writing, address managing, scotch-taping, and standing in line at the post office without her support.  I was at my mom’s house until 3:30 AM on the eve of the first shipment, putting the finishing touches on the pre-orders, and then we were at the post office for FOUR HOURS processing everything.  The woman is a machine.

To think she didn’t even know what metal music was until I fell in love with it.

At first she didn’t really understand it.  She’d been raised on classical and jazz, and was only introduced to some 70s progressive and folk rock by my father later on; meaning extreme music was quite foreign to her.  I first ventured into metal via the classic trad and thrash bands, so the barrier for entry wasn’t particularly high, though I do remember her being a bit puzzled upon hearing Reign in Blood.  When I moved out at 18, I still periodically introduced her to new bands that focused on the soft or beautiful sides of metal, like Opeth, Isis, Agalloch, and Noekk.  She was surprisingly receptive to all of it, even the harsh vocals, though I feel it took her some time to uncover all the subtleties and differences between groups.  As she came to more of our shows (often manning the merch booth), she asked a ton of questions and really developed a keen ear for the divisions in genres.  When she watched us play Paganfest, she was quick to accurately describe the contrasts in tone and style between Moonsorrow, Blackguard and Swashbuckle.  Nowadays she’ll casually roll up to my house blasting black metal from her car stereo and scaring the whole neighborhood.

I love my mom.

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It seems natural that those who raised you would want to support you in all your weird hobbies and talents, but when it comes to metal music, things are not always so simple.  Most metal is by its nature anti-authoritarian, politically incorrect, abrasive, anti-social, anti-religious… certainly not values many parents want to foster in their progeny.  While I’ve heard horror stories from fans whose folks banned metal from the household outright, I sense the most common familial response to metal is one of indifference, or perhaps a tepid acceptance followed by the caveat “he’ll grow out of it.”  Depending on your age, there are certainly quite a few cool moms and dads who grew up on Sabbath, Priest and Maiden and have a thing or two to teach the youngins about heavy metal.  Hell, I’m 23, so some of my own generation are already breeding, surely to rock their children to sleep with the dulcet sounds of Gorguts – Obscura.

So my questions to you MetalSucks readers are the following:

  • How have your parents reacted to your love of metal?
  • If you’re in a metal band, has your family been supportive of your music?
  • If you’re a parent yourself, how have you introduced your musical tastes to your children?

-AvN

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  • http://www.sametal.wordpress.com Matt K

    It’s weird, my parents also got a kick out of the music I listened to. I moved out about 4 years ago, and all they ever tell me is how they miss the metal. Hell, I actually got my mom interested in Dio and Mastodon! She won’t touch the heavier music, but I’ve always been impressed at how my parents reacted to my love of metal.

  • Manfred Nuggets

    I’ve can only answer the first question, but here goes:

    My dad could barely handle Metallica.
    My mom thinks The White Stripes are just noise.
    I’m not even going to try with my fave extreme metal stuff.

  • http://www.last.fm/user/groverXIII groverXIII

    I remember the first time I put a Metallica sticker on the back of my old ’86 Subaru hatchback… my mom reacted by trying to scratch it off. She didn’t understand, and she still doesn’t, but she accepts it now. So there’s that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brad-Barmherzig/1520996897 Brad Barmherzig

    My parents do not like metal at all. They’re big on rock music, but metal is a foreign concept to them. Surprising since my father has been working in the music industry for 30 years, but he absolutely detests metal :/

    They accept that I listen to it, they like to poke fun at the names, I don’t mind. Different generations enjoy different music :)

  • BoB_Spldbckwrds

    my mom is distantly, but unshakably supportive hell, she helped shape my musical palate using everything from the rolling stones to the beatles to earth wind and fire to prince to ozzy to metallica.

    my dad on the other hand bought a bass and regretted it when he finally figured out that i wasn’t going to be in a christian rock band… fucking formulaic, uninspiring, recycled, sheep music.

  • http://uponwingsofblack.blogspot.com/ \m/Eluveitie\m/

    The heaviest my dad goes is Dave Edmunds (no disrespect, he’s one of my favorite musicians…but hardly metal). I remember he put on Thunderstruck once while we were driving, and after about 30 seconds he said something along the lines of “I don’t care how high voltage you are” and flipped on AM radio instead. My mom, who passed away 2 weeks ago, rocked a little harder. I don’t think she ever approached anything resembling metal, but she would blast Boston and Deep Purple if they came on the radio. When I listen to metal at home, I usually do it privately and quietly.

    • bearbomb

      2 weeks ago?! Wow. Sorry to hear that dude.

    • jason

      My condolences bro.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Gavin/1396340262 Mark Gavin

        I’m sorry to hear about that, man.

    • Mike2

      My condolences…

    • Arthur von Nagel

      Very sorry to hear about your mom.

    • R. Joseph Smith

      Sorry for your loss.

    • http://www.myspace.com/somethinglikesweet CJ

      Sorry to hear that man. My condolences as well.

    • Skanes

      My condolences.

    • Shinaain

      If I remember correctly, you were her primary caretaker. How fortunate for you to have been with her in the twilight of her life. You truly have my most heartfelt and sincere sympathies for your loss.

    • http://uponwingsofblack.blogspot.com/ \m/Eluveitie\m/

      I want to deeply thank you guys, it means a lot to have support even on a relatively anonymous and often cruel forum like this. Thanks for showing there’s still some class on MS underneath it all, I really appreciate it.

  • Slaughterhouse

    My parents have been very supportive…occasionally going to my shows for support and when they are there they are in the front row screaming! They don’t like the screaming of course, but they do like the more melodic metal bands…not that they listen to them on their own, but when I am playing that stuff…They love the Beatles, Jimmy Buffett, and things of that nature…They have actually got me into some of that stuff in which I may not have been exposed too…Thats my Mom’s side….My Dad’s side is more 70′, 80′s, 90′s soul…so I have a broad spectrum to collect from…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jonathon-Wright/1679193319 Jonathon Wright

    My parents are in that category of “He’ll grow out of it.”

    This is somewhat ironic to me, given that they’re the ones who raised me on a lot of the stuff that I cite as direct precursors to my metal tastes and then spontaneously decided to listen only to Bluegrass, Skiffle, and The Wallflowers a few years back. The mind boggles.

  • Mr. B

    I’m 30 and have been playing in metal bands since I was 14. My folks have never once come to a show. They support it in a sense, like they helped finance my first band’s debut CD (500 copies printed), but they’re not really all that interested in the music. They support it because they know it makes me happy but it’s not their thing at all. Some rock stuff like Kiss or Aerosmith or whatever is cool when it’s on the radio when I’m driving with my mom, but Napalm Death on the CD player not so much.

  • Discipleofthewatch

    Being both a daughter and a parent, I can address two of the above questions. My dad is a bit confused and indifferent to my love of music, but sometimes asks about how a concert went which I attended. My mom likes country music and soft rock, but will listen to some of my music while driving with me. She kind of likes Opeth, but does not like screaming type vocals at all, and doesn’t really enjoy much metal. Sometimes I just turn the music off for her when she’s captive in my truck.

    Now my kids, a girl, age ten, and a boy, age five… they love metal. This past weekend we listened to a lot of music, including Testament, Metallica, and the new Warmen cd, Japanese Hospitality. They asked for Ozzy repeatedly until I played them Diary of a Madman and Blizzard of Ozz. They love music and always ask for souveniers (spelled that right?) when I go to shows. They know band members’ names and know many bands because we listen to them and talk about them frequently. My kids are great and I love them with all my heart.

    Funny side note: my auntie sometimes asks about my music, but can’t get the bands names straight, like saying “Children of Boredom,” for example. Hypocrisy? She’ll ask. Insomnium? Who’s that? When my one metal minded coworker and I are talking about music.

  • akeldama

    My father was at pretty much every Led Zep concert during their golden years. He works with a lot of younger dudes and when he tries to tell them about these shows, they dont believe him because it seems like hes “too old” or something. He loves Opeth nearly as much as I do. Somehow he became a HUGE Killswitch Engage fanboy as well.

    During high school both my parents were extremely cool with my friends and i jamming in the garage, often giving feedback, and the good honest kind of feedback, not “oh timmy youre the greatest!” sort of bullshit.
    My old man even helped us haul our equipment to a few talent shows, etc. Good metal parents \m/

  • bearbomb

    My mom had a big problem with metal when I first got into it. One time she hid a bunch of my CD’s with PA stickers on them (typical), telling me she sold them. I knew she was lying and that fight went on for about a week and a half before she finally gave them back. Since then she’s learned to deal with it and even kind of laughs about it today. My dad is much cooler about it, he’s a classic rock guy through and through. I stand to inherit a pretty kick ass record collection from him, Moody Blues, Dylan, Steve Miller, The Animals. Pretty sure he dabbled in some Alice Cooper in his day too. He has fun with the names. Whenever he asks me what concert I’m going to, I know he’s just asking so he can make fun of/laugh at the band name. He respected the hell of me though when I told him I was going to see Sabbath. All in all not bad for parents who were born and raised Roman Catholic.

  • http://www.gamesmeetmetal.com Gamesmeetmetal.com

    My parents were the ones who got me into hard rock and heavy metal. My dad was really into Van Halen and most of the bigger prog rock bands (Rush, Yes, King Crimson, Jethro Tull). My mom was more into the darker rock. Stuff like Alice Cooper and Black Sabbath. The funny part was that each child after that, the music got heavier. My older sister got into early thrash, and I would experience hardcore and death metal. I predict my children will be the grimmest of black metal youth.

  • http://www.myspace.com/theatomicbombaudition Aleezy

    Arthur, this is Alee from The Atomic Bomb Audition. This is an amazing subject you broach and we in ABA also stand upon the shoulders of family for concrete and emotional support. To all the musicians out there whose parents can’t get behind what you’re doing, let me say that it took well over a decade for my mom to go from tearing Slayer posters of my wall, to begrudgingly tolerating my “hobby”, to now where she basically thinks I’m some kind of fucking genius who’s destined to make music. She always talks me out of any discouraging slumps and still tries to give me advice on how to market our 20-minute song suites. I love my mom…

  • Facebook User

    My daddy raised me on outlaw country and Southern rock, so “that goddamn racket” I’ve devoted a good part of my life to is about as incomprehensible to him as his Nascar fixation is to me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Gavin/1396340262 Mark Gavin

    My parents are hardcore baptists. They hadn’t even heard of Judas Priest until I went to their show in June.

    They hate the music I listen to but they don’t try to stop me from listening to it, I’m not 8 years old. I’m always playing metal riffs in my room anyways, so I think they get the picture.

    I will make sure my children are born and raised metal, though. \m/

  • Adam

    My dad doesn’t really ‘get’ music at all. He barely listens to any, and if he does, it’s usually old time radio, music from the 60s/70s (when he was growing up). My mom is into soft stuff like coldplay, jann arden, roch voisine… nothing too loud or aggressive.

    She doesn’t mind some of what I like (she digs the gathering actually, though they aren’t that heavy) and she likes parts of Opeth and ISIS (as Arthur said, the more melodic and beautiful parts) and she doesn’t totally ‘get’ why I like stuff like meshuggah and the ocean but she respects and supports what I listen to AND what I create myself.

    I suspect if I ever actually managed to sell a cd that I’d recorded (I plan to give my stuff away for free when it’s done) she’d probably help me pack it up and send it off. She’d probably be interested in where people were ordering from.

    As for when I have kids… I’ll expose them to everything, and just hope they don’t end up listening to gangster rap instead!

  • Cisco

    My father bought me my first Metallica CD forever changing my life.

    I am a father of two, and I will slowly introduce them to metal when they’re able to think for themselves and not take the retarded satanic lyrics seriously and can tell when to take something for face value or for entertainment purposes.

  • http://runningthevoodoodown.blogspot.com pdf

    My dad (now deceased) took me to my first metal show – Dio and Accept at Madison Square Garden – and hated every second of it. My mom didn’t mind some loud/heavy rock on the Led Zeppelin-Deep Purple spectrum, and even liked some Iggy Pop stuff, but there was one sound she absolutely would not permit in her house, and that was the sound of Brian Johnson’s voice. I was permitted to listen to any heavy-ass thing I wanted to in my room, but if she heard AC/DC, she’d yell at me – she responded to his screeching like a dog responds to a vacuum cleaner.

    She’s always been proud that I have achieved some success (in terms of being widely published, not necessarily in terms of monetary reward) as a writer, though. I think she might even have read my books, though I know she’d never actually listen to any of the music discussed within.

  • metalchick666

    at first, my parents were kind of scared of my music choices, because they didn’t want me listening to “scary music”. they’re not american, so the whole concept of rock music is kind of foreign to them. they also had a bit of an outdated idea that girls should not be listening to such music, so they tried to stop me from listening to metal at first by taking away my ipod, etc…. however, they have stopped caring, and started tolerating (to some extent) my music tastes. my dad even enjoys some metallica, and softer stuff like that.

  • therealmetalmatt

    My dad has always loved music hard rock music. Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath, Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, Led Zeppelin are just the handful of bands he really likes. As a kid growing up, you tend to like the things your parents like so I started liking those bands too (and still do). Once I started listening to metal, my dad wasn’t as quick in getting into the music as I was. I do remember him beginning to like Metallica when I started to listen them. As time went on, he began to really appreciate the music. He likes that its very guitar driven, as much of what he listens to is as well. He has over the years gone with me to various shows; the last show he came along to was for Progressive Nation 2008 (he thought Opeth was the best band that night :D) He may not listen to it as extensively as I do, but he none the less enjoys a good portion of the music.

    While it isn’t part of a question you asked, I would also like to mention that my girlfriend has been supportive in my love for metal. She’s very into the indie and rock bands like Radiohead, Modest Mouse, Animal Collective, The Decemberists, and so forth. Having been to together for almost a year and 4 months, she and I have introduced to one another many great bands which has helped widened our music tastes. Her favorite metal bands are Opeth, Metallica, and Gojira

  • exanimate

    My parents were always cool with it. They were into Zeppelin, Sabbath, Deep Purple and Southern Rock. I got into metal at a very young age. When I was 9 my mom found a dubbed copy of Fuck Like a Beast by W.A.S.P. that I managed to get my hands on. Instead of trashing it, she simply dubbed silence over the Fuck part. She didn’t really agree with some of the Satanic overtones of a lot of stuff that I listened to, but she never told me that I couldn’t listen to it. She let me go 4 hours away at the age of 12 to see Metallica on the Justice tour.

    I’m not in a band, so I can’t comment on that.

    I am the father of two boys. One age 12 and the other 8. My 12 year old is really into metal now. I’ve never listened to anything else, so I guess that it is natural for my kids to be interested in the music that they have grown up hearing.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Gavin/1396340262 Mark Gavin

      It’s sort of ridiculous to not listen to something because of the “satanic overtones”. It’s just music. The members can sing about whatever they want, and most of the time they’re not really even satanists. Some Black Metal sure, but even the guys in Slayer are just having fun.

      Power to your ‘rents for only “disagreeing” with it. My parents would crucify me and drown me in holy water if I shared with them what I listened to.

      • http://www.last.fm/user/groverXIII groverXIII

        It’s funny, because of all the anti-Christian stuff, but most people don’t realize that Satanists don’t actually believe in Satan at all, just like they don’t believe in God (at least, not in the sense that most religions do).

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Gavin/1396340262 Mark Gavin

          There is Theistic Satanism, as well. It’s not really as popular as Laveyan Satanism but it’s still out there.

          • http://www.last.fm/user/groverXIII groverXIII

            True, true.

        • rachel

          I am glad to hear some common sense on the ‘Satan Music’ thing. My mom automatically thinks that everything that is heavy is “of the devil.” Coming from Christian upbringings, she was apalled when I explained a similar philosophy to yours.

          • http://www.last.fm/user/groverXIII groverXIII

            Yeah, I had a religious upbringing as well… I never really discussed it with my parents, but once they realized that just because I was listening to metal didn’t mean that I was dropping out of school or doing drugs, I think they accepted it.

          • Arthur von Nagel

            I was actually raised Catholic. Went to catechism, had my Confirmation, the whole nine yards. At one point I even wanted to be a priest (though the vows of chastity and my own atheism were obvious deal-breakers). I was really into the ritual and artwork of it all, but I don’t think I ever believed in it particularly. I’m still glad I had that upbringing from an educational standpoint. It gave me the chance to really read the Bible, to understand the religious roots of western culture… it just offered me a greater perspective on the world.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Gavin/1396340262 Mark Gavin

            That’s very cool, Arthur. I know too many atheists (I’m not an atheist but not very religious) who are bitter towards religion or refuse to accept the beliefs of others. It’s the same deal with religious folk, I just see more of it displayed through atheists who jump at the chance to denounce God every chance they get.

  • Mike2

    It’s funny, my parents have absolutely no idea what I listen to, or if they do, we don’t talk about it. I know my dad LOVED Supertramp when he was a teenager in the 80′s, and my mom was in The Beatles and prog rock (I found a vinyl of King Crimson’s Court of The Crimson King in my house!). Now, my parents don’t listen to music, and I’m the only one in the family who listens to music daily. I tried talking about music once, and they almost ignored me…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Yianni-Kordos/771084074 Yianni Kordos

    First metal bands I ever heard were from my dad’s record collection. He’s more old school punk (dead Kennedies, D.O.A) but his record collection was huge, so there were some Slayer, Ministry, Dio etc. He pretty much hates most modern metal, I usually end up getting into arguments and calling him an old fart since he think Mastodon is boring pretentiousness and ETID is pointless, to name a few. (Actually, he may have a point)

    Still, cool guy all round. Also: ‘I love my mom’ Is about as metal as you can get, good stuff. (no sarcasm intended)

  • http://www.myspace.com/finalriot BigEvilMetalhead

    I’m fortunate enough to have parents who have always been into rock/metal since they were kids. So they introduced me to many of the bands I listen to now. They brought me to my first concert when I was 14 (Metallica, OKC 2004) (I wanted to see them with Corrosion of Conformity in ’97 but they said I was “too young.” Then they get there and there are kids runnin’ around everywhere. haha) We always talk about music together; new albums coming out, upcoming shows, etc…

    I’m also in a band and my parents have been super supportive. Going to shows when they can, pimpin’ the band’s shows and name when they can, playin’ our music for people, offering advice (music/business), etc… Thankfully even my bandmate’s (former AND current) parents have all been supportive as well. Letting us practice in their houses, feeding us, etc… Even going so far as to buying a trailer AND a vehicle (2004 Trailblazer) strictly for the band to use. One of my guitar player’s and I calculated my other guitar player’s family had invested roughly $25,000 into the band. I’d say that’s quite a bit of support! haha…

    • Natsquatch

      That’s funny, because my first show was supposed to be Corrosion of Conformity with my dad. I was 14 at the time, and when we got there, we found out that the show was 21+. I was absolutely crushed. Still kind of am, actually, since I haven’t had a chance to see them since then.

      • Discipleofthewatch

        I fucking love Corrosion of Conformity.

  • http://zunetracks.net loganarchy

    My parents don’t care what I listen to, but they don’t like it either. When I am blasting metal in my bedroom and my mom comes in she always makes a face and says “How do you like this?” or “You cannot like this garbage.” When my dad comes in he headbangs (sarcastically of course). I brought my dad with me to a Slipknot concert this year. He always denies he likes metal but he did admit he enjoyed the concert…somewhat. He likes some hard rock. He listened to Sabbath when he was a kid.

    • http://zunetracks.net loganarchy

      Also, when I have kids I hope to let them access my CD collection and maybe if they like metal, go to metal concerts with them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Winnett/504952291 Daniel Winnett

    My parents have been… errr… well y’know how it is when they dont like it but they dont stop me from listening to it
    i know that they are horrified by the ideologies i use my music to put across (antireligion, mysanthropy, bloodsoaked sexual fantasies… y’know, the good old death metal fare)

  • jagbag

    I can only answer #1.

    My dad is actually a huge metalhead, but more old school bands (Priest, Sabbath, Rainbow, Scorpions, you get the point). Hell, even the more extreme side he has kinda gotten into kinda-sorta. He used to take me to concerts as a kid and got into alot of what i listened to growing up (granted i am only 21). He likes to jump on my Mac occassionally and go through my iTunes picking random bands and listening to thier albums without bias just to see what I am listening too. He may not enjoy it all, but he takes the time to keep up with me. For the record, he has heard Cormorant’s Last Tree EP! My mom is kinda the same as my dad, just not as hardcore into it all.

  • SeanN

    My dad is a huge metalhead and used to take me to shows before I could drive. I remember seeing Prong with him back in 1997. I do play music, though it’s not really metal. I have a child and I make sure she’s exposed to a wide variety of music, including metal.

  • Alex P.

    My dad’s a punk. I grew up around punk and discovered metal more or less on my own. He’s not really into it, apart from precursor stuff like Hendrix, but I showed him bands like Between the Buried and Me and he was pretty receptive. My mom has a real problem with death metal vocals and double-bass pedals, though. It’s always a struggle over music in our house, although usually we agree to listen to jazz or blues. I got her listening to Death, and even though she was put off she appreciated Chuck Schuldiner’s talent. Overall, I’m lucky that both my parents listen to pretty good music. I can definitely live with John Coltrane and Muddy Waters.
    I’m not in a band. Both my parents are really supportive of my brother, who’ll probably join a thrash or metalcore band.
    No kids, I’m 18.

    That’s a really attractive bass by the way.

  • Azuma

    My dad sorta grew up with metallica/ black sabbath so he likes that kind of metal, but not so much the more extreme stuff. I do remember I was working in the garage with him and he turned on a metal radio station which I found extremely odd, I think he may have just found some new radio website so he was testing things out. On the radio station they played things like the haunted, trivium, metallicas new album. He asked me like 5 times “Is this the kind of music you like?” (I always replied yes of course) I noticed him doing a sort of inconspicuous headbang during a haunted song, so he certainly doesnt dislike it, which is awesome.

    My moms a bit different, she hasn’t directly said it but I know she sees it as a “he’ll grow out of it” sort of thing, She always refers to it as “screamy meemy music”. And for my grandma, shes totally out of the loop I guess you could say. I remember I went to a concert (so I couldn’t get her mail that day) on the next day I brought her mail to her and she asked, “Oh, did you go to a jazz concert yesterday?”. I stared at the wall for a few seconds before responding,”…yea, yea a jazz concert.” I’m sure that would have been a weird conversation…

  • Chris

    I was lucky to have a dad who was big into the 80′s thrash and death metal scene so i grew up on bands like Exodus,Coroner,Laaz Rocket,Sacred Reich,Obituary,Death and bands of the such.Even today in his mid 40′s he still listens to a bit of this stuff.Although he isnt big at all into the wiggerslam/emo-core music thats big today.Its nice to be able to sit down with the old man and rock out listening to Revolting or something awesome.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Guzmn/570745539 Daniel Guzmán

    My family is weird, my dad’s main genre is salsa but he introduced me to King Crimson and Yes. My mother loves this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb-a0DnDGlY but she also loves 60′s and 70′s american music of all kinds(from ABBA to Led Zeppelin), they sometimes play Black Sabbath. But with metal it’s more of a joke for them, my mother says it’s not music and my father just makes fun of the bands and the harsh voice. As many folks here, Opeth and Agalloch are one of the few bands they can listen without complaining.

  • Jonathan

    How have your parents reacted to your love of metal?
    –My father listens to country and is always away on business. He just knows the people scream most of the time. My mother however, though she finds metal too harsh sometimes likes the more symphonic arangements (Iced Earth’s “Angel’s Holocaust” for example).

    If you’re in a metal band, has your family been supportive of your music?
    I’m a solo artist so far (I’m still in high school and all the “guitarists” suck, we’ve got a few decent bassists, and I can play everything except drums pretty well anyways, so I don’t really need anyone except for a drummer.), but I’ve got three tracks I’m working on at the moment, and my mother has been supportive mostly– I haven’t had a chance to show my father, but he’s give me the general thumbs up and non-caring parent-to-kid talk.

  • Alison Nelson

    First of all, thank you for the shout out! <3

    Both Greg and I grew up with and loved Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. Greg also listened to Black Sabbath, Jethro Tull and Uriah Heep. My nephew introduced me to Metallica during his teen years.
    I do believe though that the exposure to different types of music has been completely reciprocal in our family. Years ago Ben introduced me to bass heavy music such as Primus and Amber is probably responsible for the majority of music that I currently listen to. Beginning years ago with The Clash, Elvis Costello, Stone Temple Pilots, Gogol Bordello to more current loves of Koffin Kats and of course, Cormorant.

    • http://www.last.fm/user/groverXIII groverXIII

      Koffin Kats? Fuck yes. They are probably the best psychobilly band I’ve ever heard. And Gogol Bordello is bloody incredible as well.

      • Arthur von Nagel

        Koffin Kats kick so much ass. I hear they have a new album coming out next week. Will be picking that up for sure. And of course <3 <3 <3 Gogol Bordello.

        • http://www.last.fm/user/groverXIII groverXIII

          They have a new album coming out? Oh my… I think my nipples just got hard.

  • Alison Nelson

    Part Two:
    And then there is you. I will never forget a show you played at The Phoenix. It was getting late and Greg was getting ready to collapse from exhaustion from being up since 4:30 a.m. that same day. We were just about to make a regrettable early departure when you came up to me and said “Stick around for the next band. I promise you won’t regret it.” The next band was Judgement Day. You were spot on. I loved them.
    You also made me aware of Portishead, Alcest and Explosions in the Sky. We loved the show you headlined with Slough Feg and Giant Squid.
    You have such an amazing knowledge of music that you continue to astound me. And your vast knowledge is not limited to metal and its sub-genres but all types of music.
    I think it is safe to say that in this case the students have surpassed the teachers.

    • Alison Nelson

      (Part Two)
      And then there is you. I will never forget a show you played at The Phoenix. It was getting late and Greg was getting ready to collapse from exhaustion from being up since 4:30 a.m. that same day. We were just about to make a regrettable early departure when you came up to me and said “Stick around for the next band. I promise you won’t regret it.” The next band was Judgement Day. You were spot on. I loved them.
      You also made me aware of Portishead, Alcest and Explosions in the Sky. We loved the show you headlined with Slough Feg and Giant Squid.
      You have such an amazing knowledge of music that you continue to astound me. And your vast knowledge is not limited to metal and its sub-genres but all types of music.

      I think it is safe to say that in this case the students have surpassed the teachers.

      • Arthur von Nagel

        Clearly the best in-laws in the history of the universe. Thanks Alison! You have been so supportive of Cormorant and we’re incredibly lucky to have you as a friend and fan. You, Greg, Ben and of course Amber have just been so kind to us, even though we’re a bunch of greasy, screaming death metal dudes, haha. Your brownies gave us the strength to record our last album. :-)

        • vecima

          you guys played a show with Giant Squid? I should have been there… Never heard Slough Feg, but GS and Cormorant would be grand!

          • Arthur von Nagel

            We’ve played two shows so far with Giant Squid. One at the Phoenix Theater in Petaluma, and one at Thee Parkside in San Francisco along with Grayceon and Black Cobra. Both were a blast. We’re huge fans of the Squid and they’re big fans of ours. In fact their singer/guitarist Aaron Gregory contributed some mighty-fine guest vocals to our song “Hole in the Sea” for our new album. I’m going to be interviewing their singer/cellist Jackie Gratz (also of Grayceon and Amber Asylum, as well as guest spots for the likes of Neurosis, Cattle Decapitation. Ludicra, Asunder and Jarboe among others) for a future column here. She’s a real sweetheart.

            Pity they’re on hiatus for a little bit, but I’ll get into that more in the interview.

          • Arthur von Nagel

            Oh, and do yourself a favor and check out Slough Feg. INCREDIBLE trad band. If you’re into stuff like old Iron Maiden, Thin Lizzy, Brocas Helm, Manilla Road, you absolutely need to hear these guys.

            Their MySpace:
            http://www.myspace.com/sloughfeg

            One of my favorite songs of theirs:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDgAAQBlANs&feature=related

            Hell, I should interview their frontman too. Fascinating guy. He’s actually a professor of philosophy. Also the former singer for Hammers of Misfortune if you’re hip to them (and you should be!)

  • http://www.myspace.com/jay234t BrutalJay

    I grew up around metal. Both my mom and dad grew up in strict Catholic homes and both gravitated towards metal. Well, my mom was more in to Alice Cooper and AC/DC growing up but my dad was straight-up metal. Had the long hair and everything. His dad hated it, but that’s another story. The point is, when I was about 10 and grew out of the boy band phase and started gravitating towards metal, my parents welcomed it with open arms. YES! Their son was listening to music that they also like. Don’t get me wrong, they’re not in to the extreme death and thrash metal I’m in to these days. They’re getting there. I’ve introduced my dad into some progressive bands he now LOVES. Mainly Coheed and Cambria. Not exactly metal but, hey, they’re a good band.

    And when I showed interest in starting a band, my dad started telling me stories about his band when he was my age. And how he won Battle of the Bands and got to do a 6 show mini-tour opening for Rush. Also gave me pointers on how to choose a practice space, how to set up mics and amps, how to productively write songs as a band, ect.. The point is, I’m almost exactly like my dad was at his age… Except for the drug use he got into at my age. I guess the main difference between me and my parents is I don’t have a strict Catholic father to rebel against.

    • http://lavidastrangiato.blogspot.com/ Jake

      +1 for the Coheed props.

  • R. Joseph Smith

    I grew up in a “Big Band” type of home. Duke Ellington, Count Basie, Glen Miller etc etc. Then jazz as I got a little older. My parents were from a completely different era. My dad doctored up his birth certificate to serve in WWII. So metal was right out for them. My parents supported me in my musical endeavors as far as buying my first instrument from our local pawn brokers. Moms came to a handful of our shows when I was just starting out. And now as a dad of two awesome kids I do everything in my power to instill the Metal into their lives. I used to bounce my daughter on my knee while playing metal to put her to sleep. And my older son who is 5 loves Norma Jean and various other hardcore bands.

  • Jacob

    Well my dad’s a baroque-period violinist and violist, so he in no way at all introduced me to metal. My mom listens to all sorts of soft, mellow stuff, from soundtracks to pop to Bob Marley to Beatles. My oldest sister listens to hip-hop, country, and soft rock. My other sister listens to stuff I think is possibly described as ‘world’ music (she’s away too much because of college, i’m not really sure what it is).
    Both my sisters more or less can’t stand metal. They’re discriminators: I rarely complain about their music, though for the most part I don’t like it, but they ALWAYS complain about mine, even though (I’m very anti-confrontational) I rarely play it loudly in my room, and if I’m in a room with others I almost always use headphones or just put the volume super low. My mom’s pretty much the same as them.
    My dad, however, is REALLY cool about it. When I got a package the other week, he asked me what it was, and I said “Oh, a couple CD’s.” “Really? Who?” “…..Bloodbath” “HAHAHA.”
    It’s great, he always laughs about the names, and will actually talk to me about it. Also when he’s going to drive me somewhere, occasionally he’ll tell me to bring a CD of mine along to listen to (this hasn’t happened for a while though, and I’ve gotten in to MUCH heavier stuff since it did, so he’s only heard some System Of A Down and Death Magnetic in this context. He did however point out TONS of religious undertones in DM lyrics and offered a lot of incite I hadn’t). Overall, just my dad’s pretty cool about it.

  • rachel

    Well, my Dad’s percieved imitation of Mikael Akerfeldt is actually really funny. It is kind of a white noise sound. My older and younger brothers are really into metal like I am, so my Dad tries to tolerate it. We introduced him to Iron Maiden once, and he liked it. I am a classically trained flutist, so the concept of me being into metal completely baffles my parents. They don’t understand my philosophy: that any given genre of music never belonged to a certain socioeconomic group, and that all genres of music are under a big, psychadelic, union of creativity.

  • lolwut

    when i was a child im ver fortunate to say i was “blessed” with a set of parents with good musical tastes early on i listend to dark and “heavy” stuff for its time i remember when i was 6 id swap cd’s with my friends sister who was in highschool at the time i recall letting her borrow portrait of an american family for candyass system of a down at age 9 amon amarth/opeth at 12 and deathmetals and black metals and progy goodness here and there dabbled in deathcore i listen to what i like not all of it i like suicide silence iwresltedabearonce and horse the band i would say my taste for music is diverse my only regret is not ever discovering strapping young lad untill the ned of 2006 after they had last toured >.<

    • lolwut

      ah shit double post which became a tripple :/ sry guys

  • lolwut

    when i was a child im very fortunate to say i was “blessed” with a set of parents with good musical tastes early on i listend to dark and “heavy” stuff for its time i remember when i was 6 id swap cd’s with my friends sister who was in highschool at the time i recall letting her borrow portrait of an american family for candyass system of a down at age 9 amon amarth/opeth at 12 and deathmetals and black metals and progy goodness here and there dabbled in deathcore i listen to what i like not all of it i like suicide silence iwresltedabearonce and horse the band i would say my taste for music is diverse my only regret is not ever discovering strapping young lad untill the ned of 2006 after they had last toured >.<

  • Deani

    My parents have never cared what I listened to, believe it or not; they just didn’t want me forcing them to listen to it, but they remember it all. Oh, how they remember.

    Example of how they treat this now, I mentioned dropping in for a weekend since I’m considering taking in a third show of the Dethklok/Mastodon tour, and when my mom asked me what that is, I had to explain. The conversation went something like this:

    Mom: “Is that like Metallica? I remember you listened to Metallica when you were little.”
    Me: “…Yeah, Mom, that’s like Metallica. Only smaller. Sort of.”
    Mom: “It’s probably very loud.”
    Me: “Well… I mean, yeah. It’s…it’s a concert. Of course it’s going to be loud.”
    Mom: “You’ve been listening to this for 20 years. You’re going to be deaf.”
    Me: “…Mom, I was born half-deaf.”
    Mom: “Well, I’ll get you some good earplugs, anyway. Do they make earplugs for metal concerts?”
    Me: “…”

    And okay, while some of you may be thinking this conversation snippet was pointless, I just want to add that my mother was born/raised in Asia, and she has no idea what metal is outside of Metallica. My dad just seriously does not care, except the one time I stole his Zeppelin records. I’m either very lucky or very unfortunate that my parents still only care about my hearing.

  • chinnymac

    My mom is a conservative Christian that HATES metal. Its been very difficult growing up in that environment which is probably why I gravitated towards metal in the first place. The Anti-Christian themes present in many of my favorite bands. My step-dad also hates metal but his reasons aren’t religious. I was in a metal band for quite a few years and while my mom supported my decision and didn’t try to stop me from playing metal she would nag me incessantly and still does. She tells me almost daily that Satan is trying to steal my soul through music. Frankly I hope he is so I can sell it to him already.

    • Kevin M

      You can tell your mom not to worry, Satan isn’t trying to steal your soul. Miley Cyrus, on the other hand, is something your mother should be concerned about. From what I understand, she deepthroats souls…

  • DecrystallizingReason

    My parents are pretty indifferent to my taste in music; pretty much an “agree to disagree” thing.
    I am a vocalist in a band, and have been in several before this one. In high school, my parents went to most of my shows and were supportive of it for the fact that I had created something and had the cojones to perform it in front of people, even though they hated the music itself. Now, a couple years later, they still come to shows every once in a while, but seem to be hoping I’ll grow out of this. My dad has many relatives who are failed musicians without a pot to piss in, so I can understand this.
    I’m not a parent, but when I am I’ll just leave my kids’ tastes up to them while still trying to get them to appreciate the classics. My dad pretty much did that, raising me on Pink Floyd, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, ZZ Top, Aerosmith, so on and so forth…from there I went to radio rock, to nu-metal, to metal. Gotta start somewhere, and my dad’s tunes started it all for me.

    Arthur, props for writing honest, interesting blogs and being a good guy in general (or at least seeming to be). Cormorant is fucking awesome and I wish you all the success in the world.

    • Arthur von Nagel

      Thanks so much for the kind words about our music and my articles. :-)

      Best of luck with your own band. It really does take some cojones to sing in front of crowd, especially in a genre with such a social stigma as metal.

  • paganheart

    Okaaaay…probably going to show my age a bit here, but my parents were children of the Depression, born and raised among hardcore southern baptists in west Texas, definitely NOT metal people. My dad owns a nice collection of Elvis and Henry Mancini records but mostly prefers western swing of the Bob Wills variety, and basically regards all music on the radio these days as utter crap. (He’s pretty accurate in that regard.) My mom is not really into music much period, though when she was younger she liked Simon & Garfunkel and Barbara Streisand. Growing up my parents mostly kept the radio tuned to country stations, but in my early teens I rebelled and turned to the New Wave movement that came of age amid the arrival of MTV in the early eighties. I was a big-time fan of bands like Adam And The Ants and Duran Duran…until the longhaired dude sitting next to me in eighth grade study hall slipped me a mixtape of Rush, Metallica, Ozzy Osborne, Iron Maiden, and Judas Priest…and thus a metalhead was born. I spent my high school years listening to all kinds of metal, from bubblegum hair bands like Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, and Poison to more serious stuff like Metallica, Megadeth and Queensryche, along with prog rock like Rush and Yes. My dad was utterly contemptuous of my music, said he didn’t know how I could listen to that “hard rock sh*t,” and my Mom frequently ordered me to turn it down, but my parents never ordered me to stop listening or took my music away.I guess they figured that since I was an otherwise good kid who made good grades, respected my elders and stayed out of trouble, metal wasn’t doing me any harm. That said, I don’t think they would have supported me if I decided to pursue a musical career; my Mom in particular was determined that I would go to college and get my degree, something she didn’t get to do, and nothing less was acceptable. Just as well; as much as I love music (and my tastes extend far beyond metal) I have little musical talent, unless you count being a mediocre soprano in my high school and college choirs. I just hit the big 4-0 this year; I work in a very conservative field (I’m a litigation paralegal) but I still listen to metal, something that comes as a shock to many people. I love newer bands like Chimaira, Shadows Fall, Daath, and Killswitch Engage (and I’ll check out your band Arthur!) as much as the bands I grew up on. I don’t have kids (long sad story) but if I did, I would support them in their musical endeavors, because every kid should be encouraged to follow their dreams. That said, I would also insist that they get some kind of education beyond high school, be it college or trade school, so that they have something they can fall back on to support themselves if music does not work out, because let’s face it, for every one band that makes it “big” (or as big as any band can make it these days) there are probably 100 bands that never get out of the VFW hall, or their parents’ basements. I have had friends and clients at my firm who tried to be musicans and actors, who are really in trouble right now because they did not have a “Plan B” if their artistic endeavors didn’t work out At some point, you have to be practical.

    • Arthur von Nagel

      Wow, hell of a story! I agree completely with you having a plan B. I have a day job that I rather enjoy, and use to help fund my little music habit. I actually grew on Simon and Garfunkel myself. I still enjoy their music.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Gavin/1396340262 Mark Gavin

        Will Cormorant be covering Homeward Bound?

  • Jane

    My parents are, like many, in the category of vaguely irritated helplessness. Granted, I grew up only with church music — sang in the kids’ choir since I was 7, and listened only to Disney soundtracks until I was 12 (when my sister decided to put a stop to things and introduced me to R.E.M and Depeche Mode just in the nick of time).

    I’m a singer, opera-trained, so the stereotypical idea of heavy metal vocals wasn’t ever attractive to me until a few years ago, when I started getting a little more interested in the instrumental components of harder genres, particularly guitar tracks. Enter melodic metal, and away I went. I still sing, though, primarily in church since the money’s nice and green, so I think my parents are conflicted both in the sense of “isn’t that the devil’s music?” (okay, they’re not churchy like *that*, but still) and “why can’t you listen to something prettier, like the stuff you sing?”.

    I guess, to make a long story short, growing up with soundtracks gave me a love for emotive music and evocative chord progressions, and I listen to metal for the same reason I like to sing spiritual music, because it gives you a bit of an emotional high to experience really moving music. Unfortunately, my family is all composed of pragmatic, analytical types (I’m the adopted one, and the only creative one), so even that explanation doesn’t make sense to them. It’ll always just be one of my “phases”.

    • http://uponwingsofblack.blogspot.com/ \m/Eluveitie\m/

      I’ll gladly take Disney soundtracks over REM. I’d take a bullet over REM.

      • Jane

        Oh, be nice, now — even R.E.M. has its niche.

    • Arthur von Nagel

      You know there are tons of metal bands looking for talented operatic vocalists such as yourself. Doesn’t matter that you come from a different musical background. Have you considered singing for a band in your area, even in just a session capacity?

      Check out how we incorporated a classically-trained female vocalist from the song “Ballad of the Beast” from our first album.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBSwjyHCVUc

      And again in our latest album Metazoa:
      Sky Buria (middle section): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60SPX0Zth6E&feature=related
      Hole in the Sea (outro): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mMrBw0eKLA&feature=related

      This is Deborah Spake, our drummer’s sister, as mentioned in the original article. Perhaps something you’d be interested? Throwing it out there. :-)

      • Jane

        Deborah’s vocals are absolutely beautiful — they lend such an aching, poignant quality to the song, especially with the lyrics that she’s backing up. You’re so lucky to have her to work with!

        It’s definitely something I’d be interested in, for sure. I just haven’t really had the chance to network to that point, and it’s been a few years since my last voice lessons. I’ve never had the opportunity to make any sort of demo either (the only recording I have is of myself singing an Amy Grant song…yeesh), so part of it is my own lack of preparedness.

        I used to be a dramatic soprano, but my range has since altered down to a mezzo spread, so I can’t hit the really ringing high notes I used to — which sadly takes away some of the interest factor, at least for those looking for a sharp contrast with men’s lower voices.

        As I said, I only just realized the scope of the genre a short while ago, and I’m still filling my head with as much good stuff as I can get. Maybe one of these days I’ll have an opportunity! After all, what singer doesn’t dream of having musicians to sing with?

        (also, completely unrelated, I *love* how you guys use triple meter time signatures…I like to imagine every person has a certain type of rhythm or chord progression that their brain just tunes into more naturally than others, and 6:8 is mine I think.)

        • Arthur von Nagel

          Oh, I’m all about 6/8 too. It’s my default time signature for sure. I’m hearing a surprising amount of waltzes on the new material we’re writing as well, but still 6/8 is the most common I’d wager, along with of course 4/4.

          For the record I like REM. :-)

          • Jane

            And R.E.M likes you ^_~

            Waltz time is grossly underused — evokes these wonderful decaying-Romanticism/dark-folk sorts of images. It’s been somewhat misappropriated by goth subculture, but I’d love to hear a waltz with a strong, throbbing guitar — a heavy sort of lean towards some of the old Irish and Russian songs. Geez, now my brain is turning over all the possibilities. I’m hearing gypsy-style melodies with a solid coupled lyric…crap, why am I mediocre in all things theory? I’d love to write this stuff down. Long story short, I approve of the triple meter, give us more please, thank you.

            6/8 is just such a versatile mode for really displaying true chords and harmonics, since it keeps the song on a good rolling beat while still giving time for the ear to register the pure tones. Just as long as it’s complex enough and doesn’t drone on, but you guys don’t seem to have that problem!

        • rachel

          Jane, your thoughts about using triple meter are great. I am classically trained as well (flute and piano), so your thoughts were similar to mine. As far as folksey stuff in waltz time, look into the works of Bela Bartok, and it might helpt you find some great composition ideas. I swear to god I have heard Ensiferium write stuff like what Bartok wrote. I tihnk the 4/4 versus 6/8 would make for an awesome psychology experiment, and to see if people who prefer a certain time signature also share other musical thought patterns.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Francis/682620709 Andrew Francis

    since day one my parents have been completly against it. not because its bad or evil , just cause there so old fashioned and extreamly conformist and care what a bunch shit heads think. its sad really.
    though in recent years its dulled now that im 20 , but theres not a day id go with out some kind of assnine comments from my father about being a homosexual cause of my piercings and hair , mind u before he joined the airborne he was in a street gang in 1970s boston , lets put it this way ive seen the pictures, he cant talk about hair . its always get a hair cut, shave ur face u look like a bum, oh god its a bunch of noise , look at the names of these bands , cattle decapitation?! decrepit birth? suffocation?! some of the other more horrific ones i forget with the exception of cannibal corpse , one of my all time fav bands!
    tho my dads always been cool about it , he took me to many a show , he just people watched . hes seen sabbath and all them but hes not THAT into the music. I LIVE AND BREATH IT ! this infuriates them some times cause they dont understand my chosen art forms.
    i do now play in a band and have played in on or two otheres and they do support it , there attendance of my first show is one of my fondest moments. a fairly large portion attended , my mother father and my recently deceased aunt who was pretty much my second mom all took position to my imidiate left of my set up and to this day i remeber my aunt pushing my mom in moch of the moshers. i couldnt stop laughing and never will stop. they do critisize in a good way , what s good whats bad but none the less supportive , though sadlly realistic of the fact we may not make it.
    as for the children , may of my freinds are having , or do have kids and raise them as metal heads and putting them in lil metal band one peices , and as will i . i hope they realize its ok to be different from what u see every day and pick up music as fast as i did. one can hope cant he.

  • http://www.infinitehrs.com Die Britney! Die!

    Hi Arthur,

    Great article!! Very different from the norm…

    My parents, even though they havent been together since 1990 still live in the same house but are seperated with the help of a partition wall. Luckily we live in a big apartment so there is enough space for everyone. (I’m 30, married and we live with my parents in a joint family coz thats what most ppl in India do and frankly renting a place in Bombay is a bitch…)

    Coming to the subject of parents involvement in my musical taste / hobbies, my mom like all moms was and is always very supportive of the music I listen to. Each morning when I sit down for my coffee I blast a variety of heavy music from Slayer to Slipknot and she patiently sits across drinking her tea… I have been doing this since 1991 when I purchased enough albums to really call it a record collection of metal music and she has never complained.

    I am also an average guitar player and have a small set up in my living room so a lot of the times when I am back from work or on my day off I practice just about any thing with full distortion and high volume… Many of those times my mom would be sitting there reading a magazine or newspaper… Some of those times I actually explain to her what I am playing and give a general discourse on muted chords, solos etc… and make her listen to my compositions no matter how loud and aggressive they are…. Yet she patiently listens and even comments on the song structure…

    My dad, although he isnt really involved with the family anymore built his own electirc guitar from scraps coz his parents couldnt afford to buy him one… But he played old movie songs and a few Elvis numbers… He tweaked my amp for me so that I get zero feedback from the amp… So I guess he is supportive too in a way….

    In short I totally agree with you and commend your family, especially your mom who deserves a big hug and hopefully a big pay day from you :)

    I had coined a phrase in Hindi when my parents split “baap ko karo saaf, maa ko karo maaf” baap = father and maa = mother… Roughly translated it means clean out your dad and forgive / support your mom…

    Good lick to you! Cheers!

    • Michiel

      Leave Britney alone.

  • Scourge441

    My parents are mostly indifferent to what I listen to. I rarely ever blast my music anyway, and being away at college means they wouldn’t be exposed to it anyway.

    But they and the rest of my family have always been supportive of my musical endeavors. They would always show up at school concerts and such, and my dad got season tickets to UMass football games because I’m in the marching band. My grandparents on my mom’s side paid for almost four and a half years of private bass lessons, which pretty much made me the musician I am today.

    I’m not currently in a metal band, but my cousin plays bass in a metalcore band and what can best be described as a groove metal band with a bit of an alt-rock edge that somehow doesn’t sound like a nu-metal band. Family members have shown up at some of his shows, and I think I can safely assume that if I were in a band, they’d do the same for me.

    • Scourge441

      Also, Dallas and Eyal have a link at the top to their blogs. When does Arthur get one?

  • Slaughterhouse

    BTW…Those instruments look amazing! Great craftsmanship! I bet they play so smoothly!

  • Skanes

    Can someone go ahead and remove Dallas from the tab on top and replace it with Arthur? Kthx.

  • braincake

    my mother bought my first album…..vinyl. it was love gun by kiss. then she also bought kiss alive ii for me.

    my walls were covered with iron maiden, priest, kiss, motley crue, etc. they never really had a problem with any of it.

    as for my kids, they tend to listen to pop music at the moment. my 4 year old daughter does know all the words to van halen’s jamies cryin though.

    they also like to go crazy in the car listening to “the shakey song” as they call it. that is take the time by dream theater.

  • Symbolic

    When I was 16 my mother took me to see Slayer and Halford…. in another country!
    When I was 17 my dad gave me half of the money to buy my first acoustic guitar.
    When I graduated from high school my mom bought me an Ibanez.

    I played my first show this May. We fucking reaped. When I came of stage, my mom had the biggest smile possible and my dad stood frozen still. He shook my hand and said “You have surprised me pleasantly!”.

    He also came to my second show a few weeks ago.

    My grandfather (79) has always asked about my band, and wants to see us play. I told him to wait untill we play an open venue, because I don’t want him to be in full clubs, you know, him being old and all.

    Oh, and my kid sis, brought about 15 people to my first gig.

  • http://www.myspace.com/charleswardband Edward Wilfred

    My mom has been the most unsuportive person in my life. I wish I had your mom.

  • vecima

    I can answer all 3! for once I feel useful ;-)

    * How have your parents reacted to your love of metal?

    my mom asks what the musicians are so angry about… my dad hopes I don’t worship satan. Neither of them has told me to stop listening (it’s way too late now anyway, I’m 26 and moved out a while ago) so I guess they count as “supportive of my tastes”.

    * If you’re in a metal band, has your family been supportive of your music?

    my mom helped me afford my bass when i was 13, (i wasn’t playing metal then, though) and she bought me my guitar as a 17th B-Day present. She knew it was all hard rock & metal at that point. She’s always supported my music making (as she has all of my creative hobbies). Her tastes are different than mine, but she’s never told me “no” or even tried to discourage me from playing what I want. I’ve never played in front of my father (only seen him once in the past 10 years).

    * If you’re a parent yourself, how have you introduced your musical tastes to your children?

    my son is pretty young (he’ll be 7 soon) and for a while I tried not to put on the super heavy or angry music with him in tow. I’ve loosened up on that a little bit, so in my car my son might hear some lamb of god, protest the hero, mastadon… if the lyrics are too gory or vile I might not put it on with him around. I don’t think he really cares about metal, but I don’t think he hates it either. He asks to listen to his spongebob cd when we’re in the car, and if I say “no” sometimes his next question will be “what about KMFDM?”.

  • Discipleofthewatch

    I kind of try to keep away from the angrier or scarier stuff with my kids also. Sweating Bullets freaks them out! No Slayer and rarely do I play Lamb of God with them around. My son used to ask for Veggie Tales a lot, and my daughter liked that too when she was smaller. But now they ask for metal, and my son carries Children of Bodom around in his portable cd player with him.

    When I’m driving with them, I find that the volume stays relatively low so that we can talk, but when I’m by myself, it’s cranked way the hell up, too.

    My daughter likes some pop music that her girlfriends like, but some of her friends love to rock out with us to metal, too. She might get into hip hop and pop music later in order to rebel, but for now, she’s pretty metal. She wore black nail polish to school this week and her teacher told her to take it off. So I supported the teacher, telling her, yes, you have to abide by the school’s policies. But my punk rock spirit sort of chafes with that kind of thing. Education is very important, of course, but I’m no ass kisser, here.

  • FrostMechanic

    I’ve lived with my grandparents for a good 13 years of my life (16 now). Since about three years ago, I’ve been listening to Metal. They never really opposed it, but they aren’t too fond of some of the lyrical themes you hear about in the news. They’ve put up with all the band practices in the basement so far, so they’ve been pretty accepting. My parents grew up on Thrash, but they didn’t play much of a part in introducing me to Metal. My dad has been cool enough to give me tips and helped us (bands I’ve been in) organize shows (he used to do a lot of booking for local bands way back when). None of my family members are very close to the harsh vocals, though.

    Overall, my family is accepting, but not actively pursuing Metal.

    • FrostMechanic

      The “(16 now)” meaning that I am 16 years old.

  • Shirin

    My mother is not what you would call a metalhead, but she can dig some bands or indivdual songs. She has been really cool about my love of metal from day one. She even used to let me and my brother blast out in her car (still does when we all ride together). She says she’s gratefull that I fell in love with metal, cause it changed me and my life for the better, and she understands what it means to me. She’s overall one hell of a mom, and I love her more than anyone.

    Me and my brother are in a band together, and because of our current lack of rehearsal space, our grandfather lets us use his basement. He’s 86, and he’s truly awesome. Growing up with a single mom, money has never jumping out of our pockets, so to speak. When mom unexpectedly recieved some extra cash about a year ago, she went ahead and bought new (much needed) doble pedals for my brother. Unbeliavable. I feel incredibly lucky to have such a supportive family.

    No kids yet, still young at 22, but my stepbrother has a 4 year old daughter. I don’t play the heaviest metal in my collection when she’s with me, but she’s deffinetly picked up that her aunt’s a metalhead. When her mom came to pick her up the other day, she raised her hands and showed her the horns. Loved it!

  • Malacoda

    My parents, seeing as I’m 16, are pretty cool with it. They never make me turn it off, just down. And they’re pretty supportive of my obsessive guitar playing. They don’t like metal, but can at least appreciate the instrumental capabilities, and I got my mom into Dream Theater and Animals as Leaders…. sort of.

    I was in a band from last winter to this summer, and they were really pressuring me to go do “Pay-to-Play” battle of the bandses in LA (I live in SF) and I wasn’t really into it, seeing as we just started. My parents were pretty great driving me to practice every weekend, but they insisted that school should come before music, which, as I see now, was very helpful back then.

    • Arthur von Nagel

      NEVER do “Pay-to-Play.” Just don’t. It’s demeaning and you will feel dirty.

      • Arthur von Nagel

        So good call imho.

  • large jockstrap

    kicked me out of the house.

    woot

  • Facebook User

    This ‘parenting’ thing was like decades ago for me, but wasn’t rule 23 of the Parents Handbook “Deep fry until crispy the child that listens to mettalica.”

  • Alix Armour

    Cool article Arthur! good topic! and yay Kathy, I think everything goes better in life if you support your family and friends, whether you enjoy it or not! But the more you help I think the more you understand them and can appreciate it. Go Kathy! Also, if it weren’t for her regular e-mails to my dad and mom, I probably wouldn’t know much about your development through metal!

  • Gage

    My parents really don’t like the music but don’t really care about what it is just how obsessive I am over it they don’t understand the shirts, the jacket, the vinyl and all that but they’ll live mostly they’re just surprised that I would like this which I don’t really understand I’m a really introverted gamer. I mostly keep it away from them and they leave me alone so I’m not really sure too be honest.