THE HARD R: DALLAS ON THE EVOLUTION OF DEATHCORE, AND WHY IT’S SWEET AS HELL
Friday, October 23rd, 2009 at 4:45pm by Dallas Coyle
Thanks to everyone who downloaded the package of Graphic Novel [GN] songs last week. I’m happy most of you enjoyed the tracks. It’s cool to know people will take the time to check out the music with an open mind. I never said I was the best composer or song writer out there, but I feel I do have a style. I’m always doing my best to refine it. The older you get means the more experiences you have which means your music should evolve into something you can control, as opposed to letting it control you. These particular songs were all composed in a day. Through experimentation, trial and error, and plain passion, you got that download.
I’m working on getting a more professional studio going at some point. Let’s be clear: my recording skills are not my strong side. I’m no Misha Mansoor from Periphery, so I apologize for the (lack of) recording quality.
The songs for the [GN] project are just a color of the ‘voice’ I’ve been spending my whole career trying to perfect. Don’t worry metal heads, I still play metal, just now right now. Which brings me to the subject I’ve wanted to discuss here for a while.
The Evolution Of Deathcore And Why it’s Sweet As Hell
I know the response here for deathcore is a love it or hate it sort of thing. I don’t want to get into that. I’d like to talk about my feelings towards the genre. To say it simply: I fucking LOVE deathcore. I can’t get enough of it.
Seriously.
I blame All Shall Perish. Awaken The Dreamers is the best deathcore album ever created. “Stabbing To Purge Dissimulation,” track seven from Awaken The Dreamers, gets an intense listen from me every single time I’m in the music listening mood. Awaken The Dreamers is the bible.
Groove, technicality, melody, brutality, hardcore, death metal, speed. Thank you ASP.
My love for deathcore got me thinking about the evolution of music in general. Deathcore is a perfect example of why metal is such a rich, tasteful and awesome genre of music. It’s almost 2010, and deathcore is a fairly new genre of music. Yes, there are the breakdowns, the death vocals, the things that make deathcore what it is, but that in itself shows how evolution really is inherent in metal music. It shows metal must evolve to survive, to fight off stagnation.
You all know how much I hate the term “metalcore.” I still hate the shit out of it, but after becoming a fan of deathcore, I’ve realized how important the label metalcore is to metal. To me, metalcore sounds like a Shoprite or Walmart brand of something instead of the name brand. Metalcore was a stepping stone for deathcore. Metalcore sounds old and dated. Deathcore sounds extreme and modern. The terms are once removed from each other, but the difference of one word makes a world of difference.
Metalcore can be a wide range of things depending on the band: where they’re from, what label they are on, etc., etc. Deathcore is unmistakable. I think that’s the main reason why it’s become so popular and why it’s become so refined as a genre of music rather quickly. It’s like Corn Flakes. You know what you’re going to get when you buy it and you really won’t be (or shouldn’t be) disappointed because the product is right there in the brand name.
My definition of deathcore: Brutal Fucking Shit.
Now that I’ve professed my love for the genre of deathcore, I’ll list some of my favorite songs in the genre. I’ll only list songs because at the time I write this I think the only great album of the genre is Awaken The Dreamers.
My favorite song at the moment is “Disengage” by Suicide Silence from the album No Time To Bleed. Check out how the structure is so simple, but when they do their breakdowns, they change it slightly each time to keep it interesting while upping the ante. On the last breakdown the ways the guitars work together is very eerie and disciplined. It’s bad ass song writing.
“Never Again” by All Shall Perish from Awaken The Dreamers is probably the song that opened my mind to the genre and kept me interested. It’s just so groovy and heavy. And at the same time, it’s simple. But that’s the great thing about it. When you’re given the keys to the kingdom (mass diversity) sometimes it’s best to find the best land in the kingdom and stick there for a while. I’ve turned a bunch of people on to All Shall Perish from this song.
“Put To Rest” by Born of Osiris from their album A Higher Place is a really cool song. I know they are considered Sumeriancore, but I feel it’s the deathcore genre. I like this song because it’s melodic with great solos. They are able to dip into that brutal vibe you need to be deathcore approved. I wish the vocals were a bit more brutal though.
And this brings me to the next band. I may get as much shit for this as I did for admitting I liked Bring Me The Horizon. When MetalSucks posted the video for this band a couple months back I laughed my ass off just as much as everyone else at how ridiculous the band was. Mostly it was the vocals because… it was just hilarious. But within the context of deathcore and taking the genre new places, sometimes things will throw you off and make you laugh, vomit or shit yourself before you appreciate it for what it is.
I am talking about Oceano’s Depths album. This is a band that should be listened to in the context of their full album. The video song “District Of Misery” has some very cool things going on melodically. Speaking of brutal vocals, who ever this dude is, it sounds like he’s gargling fucking Brillo pads while having some sort of bacterial infection after eating some dirty whore’s ass for a week. Brutal. If you disagree, check out “A Mandatory Sacrifice” and listen to his vocal at 3:28.
God.
Damn.
Brutal.
-DC
ZOMG LOL Dallas does a sarcastic piece!!!!11
interchangeable:
I fucking LOVE glam. I can’t get enough of it.
I fucking LOVE nu-metal. I can’t get enough of it.
It’s all the same stupid shit.
ha, jump on the fucking bandwagon. Just because styles are short-lived doesn’t mean they’re shit, it’s just an audience binging and purging. They’re the casualty of our throwaway culture, where something new comes out, everybody eats it up, a million copycat artists pop up, everyone gets sick of it and moves on.
BOO is awesome as is All shall Perish
but
suicide silence and oceano?
really
oceano is pretty much a ripoff of whitechapel
but they suck at it
and
suicide silence could be so much better
but they dont try
Totally agree with you. BOO has some sick melody on The New Reign that sets em apart from other acts, and I really liked ASP’s The Price of Existence.
Suicide silence’s Self Titled EP was sick as fuck, extreme chugs, and just really raw. After that, I felt like they stopped trying. Everything pretty much sounds recycled from them now.
Oceano sounds like Whitechapel/Impending Doom/Any other death-core band that’s coming out nowadays…
ive never heard suicide silences EP
cause i got the cleansing
and was quite dissapointed after 1 listen
of the more generic deathcore bands
whitechapel is the best
cause they actually do some melodies
and good solos
but yeah
i gotta agree with you on that
and
have you heard the new BOO album
its a lot more proggy and melodic than the new reign
its also longer than half an hour
I’m not the only guy who read derp’s post like it was a piece of beatnik poetry right? Right?
“extreme chugs”
wow you are gay. Get off this shitty fad and let it die out already.
If you wanna see gay, you should check out this dude’s twitter page… oh wait…
http://twitter.com/mankvill
haha +1
i think that all the bands you’ve already spoke of are good but bands like The Red Chord Ion dissonance and Iwrestledabearonce take the same genre and exand it farther beyond its means
Did you just use the red chord and iwrestledabearonce once in the same sentence? dude, cmon.
BOO slays iwabo
The acronyms in this thread are HILARIOUS
I can’t believe what I’m fucking reading… gah
I too love this new deathcore stuff. ASP, BOO, the faceless, Suicide silence, Whitechapel, all have sweet albums. You should check out Conducting from the Grave. Their When Legends Become Dust album is really cool.
CFTG is badass. The faceless is fucking cool too, but idk if they should be considered death core..? At least not their new album…
Yeah the new album (which is fucking great) isn’t really deathcore but I throw them in there anyways. Techdeath would better describe Faceless i guess.
SUMERIANCORE!
I Agree! /m/ Conducting it’s a great band, The Faceles and White Chapel too! Try Molotov Solution! They have some badass lyrics!
OH my fuck! I’ve been following CFTG since waay before they were signed. Fucking love those guys.
yea I wouldn’t put The Faceless in that same group. I love The Faceless but I dont like any of those other bands or deathcore in general.
I’m done with this site.
Are we in bizarro world? Is it the 1st of April again? National Satire Week?
Let me clarify, that decision is not a direct result of this article. Just the last few weeks/months in general. Catch y’all later.
Guess I better bookmark your blog now.
Dont cry…
This is what you get for checking your computer during a Star Wars marathon when you think me, Ziltoid, and RomuluXX aren’t looking. I’m happy chilling in my metal jammies, while Ziltoid and RomuluXX are warming the metal cushions on your most metal coach, and what are YOU doing??
Pass me another beer while you’re up, will you?
Exactly! Forget this site, come back to Star Wars!
That sounds pretty fucking queer guy. How is this whole “never getting any pussy” lifestyle going for ya?
I think God Forbid’s a pretty queer guy. Eh likes deathcore and doesn’t afraid of anything.
Your 4chan is chowing.
Whoops… *showing.
chowing works, too. Don’t worry though, I’m no /b/tard.
Star Wars was a much better choice. Beer me some nachos!
yeahhh man, fuck the internets, I quit!
people take this shit waaaay to seriously
I know that there are too many shity bands…. but… I think that White Chapel, Conducting From The Grave, Molotov Solution, All Shall Perish, Suicide Silence, Born Of Osiris and Job for a Cowboy are cool bands! I listen so many bands…. I`m not convinced about Deathcore Shit, but lately I began to give It a try and they’ve totally evolved from the Chuga Chuga Stuff! And if you take a time to watch some bootlegs you can understand the meaning of breakdowns! The thing is that as in any subgenre there are too many bands doing the same shit! and many of them doesn’t incorporate anything new, and that drives to the fall of the subgenre!
I still find it hilarious that people hate a whole genre but admit to liking a few bands within it. I like a lot of the bands listed here no matter what label they get stuck with.
Agreed, there are bands in any genre who suck, and there are those who stand out from the pack…
I think Deathcore (before there were enough bands doing it to have its own sub-genre) started off badass.
Suicide Silence’s EP was raw, sludgy, and heavy as fuck. To me, there weren’t any real traces of hardcore in there. Then bands like From the Shallows, Impending Doom, Carnifex, and Whitechapel, started to surface and took something that was raw and started to dilute it.
Then bands like oceano came out that replicated the now-already-replicated sound, and at this point the whole sub-genre becomes a joke since there are few, if any unique qualities that distinguish one band from another.
And the fact that both the age group of typical fans and the age group of the typical death core band member are pretty much the same (15 – 20s) doesn’t add credibility to the genre.
With that said, if I hadn’t hear any death core before, and I listened to an oceano track, Id probably think it was good, because generally I love any heavy music. What I don’t like is recycled music.
/rant
Deathcore is garbage.
I AM ANGRY ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE’S OPINIONS REGARDING TOPICS OF A PURELY SUBJECTIVE NATURE!
i litteraly LOL’d
yesss
Wow dude, you win.
Hooray for sanity!
I love you bucketochicken. We need to be some sort of Internet superhero team, going around, deflating people’s senses of self-worth. We could be glorious.
I like Deathcore, and i think it’s great that there’s people like Dallas sticking up for the new kid on the block, genre-wise.
That said, i feel like the genre’s already nearly played out. It was a fantastic, but limited concept that’s already loosing steam. Pretty soon it’ll just fade into a catchier Teth metal tidal wave.
Dallas I know I give you shit on these forums but I have to agree with you that deathcore seriously is awesome. Take Hate Eternal for example. They are a straight up death metal band. Non stop relentless double bass no groove death metal. I bought their last album and was bored with it because it didnt have that headbanging/blood pumping want to punch someone aspect aka a breakdown. Yes it was heavy and brutal. All these bands taking elements from bands like Hate Eternal and fusing it with elements from the hardcore/metalcore genre you have a good mix. All Shall Perish and Born of Osiris are in my top 5 favorite bands right now. I love how technical both are yet still brutal as hell. I cant get enough of BOO’s new album. Everytime I pull up itunes I find myself always going back to listen to it through. Even if this was a sarcastic post, I agree with everything you are saying.
I agree, I think that Deathcore combines all kinds of Death Metal! Brutal Death, Technical Death, Melodic Death, The fucking Gore Content, And also Grindcore! I think that the negative shit about this, is the overpopulation of bands in the subgenre! and the mediocre use of breakdowns! and there is some variations of the vocal/screaming content! in the past the only vocal thing was cookie monster vocals!
I’m gonna have to respectfully disagree with you on Oceano, Dallas. I have given them a fair chance, and I truly think they suck and have nothing new to bring to the table. It just sounds so cookie-cutter to me. Suicide Silence has some good tunes but their albums sound like a few good ideas stretched way too thin to me. All Shall Perish was also the first deathcore band I really got into, I really like their shit. Born of Osiris’ two albums are awesome and that band KILLS live, whether they know who Danzig is or not. They write really good, catchy songs while still incorporating the brutal breakdowns and intricate guitar licks one would expect from a good deathcore band. It’s the songwriting, which should always be the most important part, that is missing for most bands in this genre, I think.
With that said, I fucking love Sumeriancore. BOO, After the Burial, The Faceless, and a few others are really pushing death metal forward and doing exciting things.
I totally agree, I think Oceano sounds almost exactly like Whitechapel. If I was shown an Oceano song and told it was WC, i’d believe it. I like most of the deathcore bands that got out there before this current rush of cookie-cutter bands such as BOO, After The Burial, Suicide Silence, All Shall Perish, Job For A Cowboy, and WhiteChapel. It’s kinda funny seeing some of these bands and the fans don’t even understand how complicated the music is. After the Burial and The Faceless have some technical music and I hate going to the shows with the fans that only care about how heavy the breakdowns are.
Well, I like ASP. and BOO sometimes. Not the others.
why the hell does everybody classify the faceless and job as deathcore??? has anyone hear listened to ruination?? not deathcore, planetary duality?? not deathcore but whatever.
You are right!
I also agree. Although Akeldama had a few breakdowns and a few screamed vocals, Planetary Duality is strictly a technical death metal album (and a great one)
Faceless are great. Some of the breakdowns on Akeldama are boring, and Leica is pretty metalcore-y, but they’re still great.
JFAC, however, blow. HARD.
I think everyone bags on jfac because they got so popular when they were deathcore….they were a good deathcore band. They are strictly death meatal now and a solid fucking band so suck a cock Gunnar.
I hate JFAC because a.) of their shitty deathcore; b.) their shitty fans; c.) they’re boring as fuck and have no dynamics whatsoever.
Get mad about it.
I have to agree with gunnar on this one. I dont hate them or think they blow (completly) but they have nothing to them. The new album sounded like one long drug out boring ass song. There is nothing inventive about them on that album. I do like a few songs by them but that is only if I listen to them after hearing a few bands in between, to break it up a bit. Also, the vocalist never stops! Or hardly at all. You have to let the music play out some as well not growl and squeal through the whole fucking album. I dont know maybe next album they will do something different.
The Oceano vocals at 3:28, as Dallas recomended, sound unremarkable. I know 20 knuckleheads that make the same damn noise at random whenever and deathcore bandname is mentioned. Not brutal at all, it’s like “stupid pet tricks” for humans. It’s mostly just regurgitated breakdowns, wigger bs for kids who won’t give a shit about this music in three years tops! Though ASP and BOO get some credit for talent, especially ASP, but the Oceanos come along, find a trend, and run like fuck!
Daylight, it’s not about what one person can do. It’s how it sounds together. How the instruments accompany each other. you mention stupid ‘pet tricks’ but how do you think the death metal vocal progressed over time? You think Chris Barnes didn’t influence most of the death metal singers from the 90’s? It sounded ridiculous then but now it’s “true” cause it’s cannibal corpse.
Trends are trends but it doesn’t mean I can’t enjoy the things I enjoy. I dig the Oceano.
Oceano is trash.
As well you should because that sound is fresh, loud, and vibrant to your ears and mind. Just not such the case with me. The “pet trick” comment comes from my experince that pointing out a Suicide Silence shirt can elicit a “brurrrrrgh” from any boy/girl as if on command. But granted; odd, unconventional, and even silly things can be great in the right layers and context. I stand by my opinion (just an opinion) that the style of music is wearing itself out tremendously. I see it from the major labels/tours all the way down to the locals playing at skateparks and pool halls. I gave that Oceano track a few listens but I didn’t have the same feelings I did when first hearing “Holy Wars”, LOG’s “Ruin”, or Meshuggah’s “Future Breed Machine”. I’ll admit it may just be a personal predisposition against something that I hear everytime I’m at any metal show. I can’t speak for everyone else’s reasons for loving/hating the style, but cheers to you for stating your case.
Also, very good point on CC era Chris Barnes, though I think many would agree that SFU Barnes is equally ridiculous, just not in that way. ;)
The one good deathcore band is All Shall Perish. As Blood Runs Black and Job for a Cowboy (the later stuff) are tolerable, at best. All the rest is generic shit that’s sprung from the fetid, rotten loin of myspace metal. Carbon-copy instruments, and why bother with lyrics at all when most vocalists sound like a possessed cat getting shoved into a wood chipper? Death metal vocals are one thing; brie-brie-chug-chug is another thing entirely.
Dats right bro deathcore is da fuckin shit, lets meet up n get some cornbread somewhere nigga
Dude… you forgot to change your link.
Its not the first time…
The Bivinigga don’t do nothin unintentionally
None of these are abysmal in the way that Whitechapel or pre-Death Metal era Job for a Cowboy are abysmal. The best is certainly All Shall Perish, and Born of Osiris isn’t bad. Suicide Silence do do some interesting stuff, but in the end I’d rather just go listen to Between the Buried and Me. Oceano sound boring and repetitive, and the vocals strike me more as retarded than brutal. The entire concept of brutality is a funny one. I’m of the opinion that when a band strives openly to be brutal for brutal’s sake, the end result can sometimes sound contrived. When brutality is used to convey the message of the song, or when it is integrated as a natural part of the album’s progression (as it is in the superb BTBAM song “Croakies and Boatshoes”), it can add quite a bit. Though Deathcore is clearly not a genre full of Waking the Cadavers (who don’t precisely fit either), it hasn’t yet produced anything I’ll be enticed to purchase.
Well put. There is a huge difference between intelligent criticism and just disrespectful shit talking. Thanks Alex.
deathcore heavy? by layering bass drops what wouldn’t be. Go listen to guttural death metal. Thats where the real heaviness is.
Gutteral broootal death metal is fucking garbage. Listen to REAL death metal,folks. Not gore shit, DEATH metal. Try Ignivomous from Australia…. their album “Death Transmutation” is amazing, as is their demo “Path of Attrition”
Deathcore is metal as fuck! I can’t understand all the shit talking about it.
Deathcore is about as metal as a ceramic plate.
Explain…
Because it’s nothing but shit bands following the same shit trends that are selling at the moment. There’s nothing progressive (in the classical definition), mold-breaking, boundary-shredding, or remotely experimental in the genre. It’s one shit band rehashing the already-scrambled drivel a previous shit band did a cover of from their shit predecessors. It’s nothing but the “extreme” affectations of bands – the death metal growls stretched out to be nothing more than a constant barrage of “brie brie urr brie chug”. It’s nothing more than a bunch of kids pretending to be tough, cool, and talented by taking what was done before them and mutilating it in the most extreme fashion possible.
It’s not advancement, it’s regression. It stems from the inherent progression of emo kids coming out of the “no one understands!” Chris Crocker cry/rant stage, and putting on the dingy, cracked “I’m so jaded from my exquisitely painful upper-middle-class white collar suburban teenage nightmare, now look at how hardcore and brutal I am” facade. Without the hordes of brainless high school retards using music as a clique-defining tool, deathcore wouldn’t exist, but for the people who think the music they listen to somehow tells others what their life is about, it’s the perfect form of noise.
It’s also pure, utterly talentless shite, but leaving it at that doesn’t sound as cool.
I can agree that applies to some of the bands in this genre but not to all. You have every right to dislike certain bands. Lumping them all into a genre and then saying none of them have any talent due to a label given to them is just crazy. Just because it’s new and created by those younger than you or I doesn’t mean it’s not born from true anguish and loathing for life in general. Isn’t that what metal is all about? There are some talented folks playing some heavy fucking music in the genre called “Deathcore” and I can’t help but bang my fucking head to it. That’s metal enough for me.
I mean I agree with you Demonic but at the same time if someone likes a shitty band like Oceano who the fuck cares? I really dig Whitechapel and think they are a fucking awesome band. Do I think they are a genre defying metal band who will change the face of metal? NO! I have a listened to a few Oceano songs and think they suck. But I like Whitechapel…see what I mean? Bands like The Faceless and Born of Osiris are changing the landscape of what GOOD metal is becoming. Metal was always a technical genre but not like this. Dallas do you agree?
There are a couple good bands, like I said before (All Shall Perish is a damned good band), but for the most part, it’s a stagnant genre. ASP, at least to me, doesn’t sound a whole lot like most other deathcore bands, which just copy the same shit over and over. I typically don’t rag on entire genres, but in deathcore, there are so few good bands to put against the scores of shitty ones, it’s just not worth it.
Ray Ray,
I hear where you’re coming from. I think I dig the Oceano a bit more than the Whitechapel because the production is a bit tighter. Although, time is the real judge. Think about Testament and Metallica. When I first heard them I thought they were similar in sound but the more I listened and the more albums they each put out I saw the vast differences.
Some people respond to different things about bands. I like Deathcore cause I like breakdowns, blast beats and death growls and melody.
Demonic- + 1,000. PERFECTLY stated.
oh yeah and the word brutal is DEAD.
Through The Eyes of The Dead – Bloodlust will always be the best “Deathcore” album, everything after is just a failed attempt!
I can’t agree. Bloodlust was amazing but I enjoyed Malice even more.
I agree
With me or chris?
With you!
YOUUUU CANNNNNNT SAVVVVVEEEEEE HERRRRRRR!!!!!! I love Bloodlust!
The Faceless
Burning The Masses
The Boy Will Drown
Conducting From The Grave
The Red Chord
those are my 5 favorite of the deathcore genre.
red chord and the faceless aren’t deathcore
what are you talking about the red chord started this genre stupid
actually
i thought that heaven shall burn were one of first bands to try and mix hardcore and death metal
(as in older than the red chord and pretty much other band in the genre)
and it sounds like deathcore should sound
death metal mixed with hardcore
hence the term death-core
yet it sounds nothing like this stuff
which is somehow considerd deathcore despite having pretty much no real hardcore influences
its just(for the most part) generic death metal with boring breakdowns implemented in every song
Red Chord used to be deathcore, they no longer are (they’re more like grind now). The Faceless started the same way, deathcore and now something entirely different (prog death).
Exactly
I was referring to their deathcore album. Look up Leica, one of the best deathcore songs ever.
And yes, it is one of my best *core songs ever (I’d say less death than metalcore, however… small difference) with the exception of the sort of generic phrasing. All in all Akeldama is one of my favorite deathcore albums, though I still prefer Planetary Duality.
You like shitty deathcore, brah.
Yo brah, your name kicks ass.
The Faceless aren’t deathcore anymore, they’re tech death, and awesome
even their deathcore stuff is awesome, but in general i find breakdowns to be overly generic and boring
they’re fun live, but not particularly stimulating if you aren’t stoned, at least in my experience that is lol
I love deathcore as well. BOO and ASP really do stand out from the pack.
This site has officially turned to shit.
i’m glad you only picked a single from suicide silence– cuz that’s all you need to hear from them; one is enough.
AsP fully kicks ass, not much discussion there. AND DON’T FORGET THE INSANE FUCKING SHREDDING OF (CHRIS STOREY AND) JASON RICHARDSON!!!
as for BoO– AHP cannot live up to The New Reign
and oceano just sux… surprised he’s not raving about whitechapel then…
maybe i haven’t given it enough of a chance, but i don’t like any of it.
listen to the new born of osiris album
it has some great solos
and much fewer breakdowns than on their previous stuff
We had an awesome discussion of music with Eyal and now this?! Jesus its like being at a family reunion and *that uncle shows up that no one in the family wants to see or talk to.
Fuck deathcore.
Would that make Gary Suarez ‘that creepy uncle that tries to put his weiner in your mouth when everyone is asleep’?
yes it would
and the reason why we had a good discussion with Eyal is because he has a brain, Dallas on the other hand not so much
Dallas…. now i thing you suck!!
I love All Shall Perish. However Dallas, you are doing The Price of Existence a great disservice by not also including it in with Awaken the Dreamers in being “the only great album of the genre…” Both Price of Existence and Awaken the Dreamers are easily the two best deathcore albums released, heck, you could even thrown in Hate.Malice.Revenge which more or less started the whole deathcore movement. Even the guys at MetalReview.com included The Price of Existence in their 100 essential albums of the decade list.
The rest of the deathcore scene is pretty bare, but Whitechapel potentially could elevate their status if they head in the right direction with album no. 3.
I stand by my word. Price Of Existence is OK. Awaken The Dreamers is the only great album of the genre. Like I said in my blog, I like certain songs. I love the genre cause it’s simply stated as to what it is.
Most of you need to relax, jesus! LOL
Ha! Hey bro, you’re talking to a bunch a metal nerds who sit around all day listening to metal.(myself included) Talking about how awesome metal is and why this metal sucks and why this metal kicks ass. This shit gets heated!
Dig what you dig, Dallas. For what it’s worth, you’ll never hear a word of criticism from me about your purely subjective opinions on music – you’re just never guaranteed I can be bothered to read about them.
Fair enough?
Metal is serious business.
in 4 years time people are gonna start hating on deathcore it’ll just be as dull as metalcore. the hating cylce goes on. hey he didnt mention the red chord!
I’ve yet to hear a decent (never mind good) deathcore album. Unless you consider After the Burial deathcore…then never mind me.
Deathcore: I’m still trying to find one band in the whole ‘genre’ that can actually write one memorable song. It’s a big ask I know but I’m old fashioned and I’ve been looking hard regardless.
Suicide Silence is fucking terrible
100% agree
I’ll third this.
Their first album isn’t too good but their new one is much better.
Why is every other post today about fucking deathcore? It sucks fat ones and still no one gives a rat’s ass about it except teenage hot topic turd bags.
Deathcore sucks. [/redundancy]
No mentions of We Are The Romans? I’m sad.
http://www.myspace.com/wearetheromans
All Shall Perish is good.
I ALMOST saw them live. They dropped out early from the tour with August Burns Red, IWABO, and Bless the Fall. It was horrible.
Fucking awesome, Dallas! I can’t say I’m big on deathcore, but there are definately a few bands I enjoy. Check out Ion Dissonance if you haven’t already, dude. Those guys are pretty goddamn heavy, and don’t sound like typical by-the-numbers deathcore to my ears.
Actually, you’d do well to listen to any bands out of the province of Quebec that isn’t Cryptopsy. Between their death metal and their hockey teams, Quebec knows what’s going on.
Evolution and Deathcore do not belong in the same sentence. Using both in a sentence creates contradiction. I personally don’t give a fuck what you listen to (especially if you enjoy regurgitated riffs and breakdowns), but lets not go around overpraising things that have not earned the right to be given such praise.
I’m sorry, but reading this article just to see what Dallas had to say (Which was more for my own comical enjoyment) is very comparable to the shit I see on music forums written by 16 year old Internet hardasses who worship this sub-genre and act like this is God’s gift to our sense of hearing, some even going as far as to dismiss bands who actually pioneered metal in general saying deathcore bands have more to offer than the bands who have actually contributed in some way. I understand personal preference but drop the tough guy appraoch and give respect to bands who helped paved the way for this genre.
You can only toss the word “brutal” around so many times before it loses its value. You might as well clump “brutal” in the same category as words like “gay” or “epic” because they are played out and have lost thier true contextual meaning due to improper overusage. Nowadays people use gay and epic to describe everything, even if they really don’t qualify for either, its a trend to use it. Brutal has slowly crept into this category. This article was lackluster and its a shame shit like this appears on a website as opposed to a toilet for proper disposal. I don’t mind someone talking about deathcore but if you’re going to write about it, lets find better ways to get your point across.
oceano sounds exactly like despised icon to me
Dallas. We have kindred tastes.
Although I think that “The Price Of Existence” is the best deathcore album of all time so far.
“Awaken The Dreamers” is great but it doesn’t compare.
But yes, tracks one, three, and seven are SICK on “Awaken The Dreamers.”
And I love Suicide Silence. “Disengage” is my favorite track from “No Time To Bleed.” At first, I thought the album was great but not as good as their debut but now their debut does sound VERY similar, and “NTIB” does kill it now. Lyrically it isn’t my favorite out of the two though.
So what do you think about “The Price Of Existence.”
Those are really the only two deathcore bands I like.
I want more to like but I am really picky on song writing, lyrics, vocals, tone, etc.
Good work Dallas.
The Price of Existence is fucking sick. The difference between TPOE and ATD is that the ATD is more guitar driven it seems…Production is a little bit cleaner…
I absolutely agree with you Mr Coyle. I love deathcore and cant get enough of it, I also love BMTH and Oceano.
The problem with deathcore is that it’s only been around for a few years and it’s already old. You have three basic types:
-The ultra-brutal OMG BREAKDOWNNNZZZ *CHUG CHUG CHUG* type (Whitechapel)
-The ultra-technical-but-lacking-in-depth type (Born of Osiris)
-The melodic not-quite-brutal-but-too-heavy-to-be-regular-metalcore type (All Shall Perish)
And every band plays exactly within that archetype, with little to no variation between them. We have a bunch of bands following a formula.
Death metal is an extremely vast genre covering a huge variety of sounds. So why is the lack of originality a problem? There are so many avenues to explore that are being completely ignored.
War from a harlots mouth is a good deathcoreish band.
“I totally hate cola, I’ve hated cola all my life, but this pepsi is the shit!”
Deathcore just sounds like the same metalcore I’ve found boring trying to do bad Suffocation riffs.
I just can’t feel you on this one. The only thing close to “deathcore” I’ll listen to is Repulsion and nobody would even come close to referring to them as Deathcore.
Also, in the melody, speed, brutality and technicallity department, several bands surpass them.
Arsis, 1980, Gorod, Anata and a bunch of others I’m probably failing to mention.
Which is why I barely flinch with any sort of enthusiasm when someone plays me the latest Suicide Silence or Despised Icon or even worse yet Oceano.
In before some lazy fuck says “Fuck genres, music is music.”
It’s the division of our people that lead me to listen to Portishead. There is no unifying force anymore. Used to be we stuck up for each other. On our playgrounds our malls in our parks and so on. Growing up, when I saw a fellow metalhead getting fucked with, it was on! We rallied troops and fought together. Unity. It didn’t matter what genre of metal you listened to. Now we eat each other alive like heathens. It brings a lonely tear to my eye to think of what once was. Metal used to beautiful to me. Now it stresses me the fuck out!
Totally agree with you sir…… Now i am leaving here and i will turn off the lights on my way out !!…
I am in between on what I think of Deathcore. When it first came out I absolutly hated it! Carnifex was the first band that i heard as Deathcore, liked one song and got bored right after it cuz it was the same exact thing all the way through. I do, however like some of the bands in this genre but those are the ones who actually have something different about them. But I like varitey in my metal and in what I listen to in genral. And I do not get enough of it with Deathcore so I dont spend much time with it. Anyone who likes it, cool, but it just isnt for me hardly at all.
you had me until oceano, and that sentence about bmth
Deathcore doesn’t exist. It is just the natural evolution of heavy and agressive sound.
That TOTALLY isn’t a cop-out.
lol exactly!
Terrible.
I love ASP to death……..I was listening to Never…Again when I read this…and whats the first thing you talk about…All Shall Perish…in my top 5 bands right now…Chris Storey is a fucking monster on guitar…too bad they kicked him out. Jason Richardson is sick too, I’m just waiting to hear what he brings to the table…
ASP has some merit, BOO don’t really fit into this genre in my opinion (they have some potential though), Suicide Silence are pretty basic, but they are some young dudes (again, potential)…Oceano I will completely disregard; amazingly generic, ripoff stuff…
I think the better bands that have elements of deathcore rise above this little genre niche – take the Red Chord for example…they do what the bands mentioned do, they do it much better AND they do much, much more…The Faceless as well…
I’m listening to TRC’s “Fed Through the Teeth Machine” at the moment, and it is just MILES beyond this stuff, while still containing the good elements…
So The Yankees Won .. No freaking way.. I think this topic is Boring, every one its own
sarcasm is br00tal!
Love the funny columns.
You know if it wasn’t for Metalsucks I would probably A.) Never even heard Oceano, or B.) Would have totally dismissed them, because even I was begining to suffer from belief that if a new band could be pinned as “deathcore” then they must not be very interesting.
Thank you Metal Sucks, it is because of you that I was able to shake my preconceptions and listen to a band that I previously wrote off. I can prouldy call myself an Oceano fan now.
Breakdowns in metal is like sausage on pizza; it makes something so good taste even better. Chew on it, savour it, don’t be so quick to hate just because of it’s “title”. Douche Nozzles!
It’s more like frosting. The better its made, and the right amount makes a cake taste delicious.
However, if it’s some horribly made, half-assed, clumpy frosting, and it actually makes up 9/10ths of the cake?
It’s no longer a cake anymore. It’s an abomination that makes you never want cake, or anything with frosting anymore.
Every time I see someone who loves breakdowns so much, I think of a morbidly obese kid clapping for joy at the sight of the previously mentioned 90% frosting cake .
So fuck breakdowns.
So by that logic, in the past decade there have been plenty of death metal and black metal bands which have come and gone that suck and all surely used blast beats, so i guess fuck blast beats?
If it’s an overused practice, fuck it.
That goes for anything. I’m not ashamed to say the overuse of Blastbeats is stupid either.
Instead of writing off an entire genre, I prefer to evalute the bands based on their individual talents. All Shall Perish are awesome. Whitechapel is pretty cool. Suicide Silence is average. And Waking the Cadaver is mind-bendingly horrible.
I would have considered it…if Technical Death Metal didn’t exist.