TOXIC HOLOCAUST & THE BLACK DAHLIA MURDER COMBAT RAMPANT RELIGIOUS IDIOCY
Wednesday, October 28th, 2009 at 12:30pm by Axl Rosenberg
I can’t even believe that shit like this still happens in America in 2009, but that’s progress for you. Reader Andrew Morales sent us a link to this story from the Examiner – which I gather is either a Christian publication, or one where the reporters are very, very biased – that reports on a controversy brewing with regards to Toxic Holocaust and The Black Dahlia Murder playing at a Christian-run venue in Nashville last night. The biased writing of the article makes the whole thing inadvertently hilarious – check out some excerpts:
Tonight Channel 2 WKRN reported on a story concerning Nashville’s Christian teen hangout, Rocketown, which is presenting a show of hardcore satanic metal music the week of Halloween (see video below). Keith Mohr, the founder and president of gospel music’s Indieheaven.com, was briefly interviewed regarding his recent experience with the teen ministry.
The article then goes on:
“My wife and myself are concerned parents,” Keith explained, saying they have a 16-year-old son who wanted to attend a pre-Halloween-themed concert at Rocketown coming up on October 27 after a friend shared songs by The Black Dahlia Murder with him. “My son liked the way their music sounded,” Mohr said, stating he and his wife listened to the songs, and although the lyrics were hard to understand, they found the music to be “very dark sounding.”
Yes, the music The Black Dahlia Murder play is, indeed, “very dark sounding.” Ooooh, spooky. The piece continues:
Mohr points out, “Their lyrics are anti-christian and very graphic.” One example is the The Black Dahlia Murder song “Black Valor” which proclaims:
Join us! Black valor’s on our side / Striking with satanic force we’ll crush their fabled Christ
Mohr also visited The Black Dahlia Murder’s MySpace where he watched a promotional video about the band. “They were doing drugs and drinking on their tour bus. I am sure other impressionable youth have seen this video and been impacted by their activities.”
Mohr isn’t wrong – those lyrics are definitely “anti-christian” – but he completely fails to consider that a) the band could be singing from the point of view of a character and not necessarily endorsing the crushing of “their fabled Christ,” and b) even if the band strongly believes in every word they’re saying (which is entirely possible – I have no idea what BDM’s feelings on Christianity are), there’s this little thing here in America called “Freedom of Speech” that gives The Black Dahlia Murder, and the rest of us, the right to say whatever the fuck we please.
Meanwhile, no one from Toxic Holocaust or The Black Dahlia Murder is interviewed in the article. And the aforementioned television “news” reporter is just as stupid. A statement from Toxic Holocaust’s Joel Grind (via Metal Underground) reads as follows:
“Unfortunately, the protesters here don’t see the tongue-in-cheek aspect of any of this, and are taking everything at face value. What else is new? Whatever you do don’t look into or research anything, and don’t, god forbid, think differently. Fuck it, while we’re at it, don’t think at all. To clear a few things up, there was a news clip that showed our video ‘Nuke the Cross’ and then directly cut to lyrics for a song called ‘Hang the Pope.’ Even though we did record a cover of that song on our first demo, that song is actually by Nuclear Assault. I think that was done intentionally to make the story have more impact and more shock value.
“Secondly, I want to thank the people running Rocketown for allowing this show to go on despite the protests. It just proves that being Christian and being closed minded doesn’t have to be synonymous with each other. Everyone has a right to believe in whatever they want. If it empowers you and doesn’t infringe on anyone else, then I’m all for it. Sadly the herd mentality of organized religion doesn’t work like that. It’s too much of a threat to the very foundation on which it’s based. Let’s end organized religion and stop the real evil in this world.”
I’m having trouble with the embed code for the video, but you can watch it here (scroll down to the bottom of the page).
This whole thing is obviously ridiculous, and as Grind says, it’s great that the venue allowed the show to go on instead of succumbing to pressure from a group of total morons. But that doesn’t make shit like this any less infuriating. Although, as a metalhead, I guess you hafta be used to it – this isn’t the first time something like this has happened, and it won’t be the last.
-AR
BUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLSSSSSSHHHHHIIIIIITTTTTT
also…
THE MUSICAL IS BACK!
Thank god they still played (No pun) even with a riot full of crosseyed and whiny christians. NUKE THE CROSS!!!
Yeah man, I just read this too. It’s just fucked up – I hate people like that. Re: The Examiner. The reporter must have been biased, because every major city has an Examiner.
wow man everyone wants to blame someone else…that’s all this world is about…who gives a fuck about this shit kids are going to see it and listen to it if they like it anyway…the more there parents hold them back the more they will rebel…people are soo close minded
fuck religion
fuck close minded-ness
worry about your own lives!!!
That is easy for you to say. you may or may not have children yet, but a responsible parent takes responsibility for their child’s welfare until they are 18 years old. I am not saying that parents must control their children in every aspect of their life, but the child must follow their parents rules until they are out of the house or if they can buy their own ticket to the show.
haha fuck you
fuck you twice
I wish Goatwhore was playing there, too. Pick any song in their catalog and find some sort of reference to satan or killing Christianity!
What do you expect, we’re talking about Nashville here! This kind of shit only happens in the Bible Belt, you don’t see it up here in the Northeast.
Wrong… there were A LOT of protestors at an Incubus show in Michigan I went to (a long time ago) simply because of the bands name. Funny as hell if you consider the bands pussy lyrics.
When I went to Mayhem Fest in Atlanta there were Christians protesting out there. I consider myself a Christian but I don’t force my beliefs on people. You can be a Christian and a metalhead too. The people that run Rocketown seem get that.
there were even protesters at mayhem in san fransisco. but thats gonna happen anywhere manson goes just cause he’s been the face of ’satanic’ music in our country for almost 20 years.
I went to the Mayhem Festival in San Francisco. The protesters were there, but I laughed, ignored them, and continued to have fun.
Two months later I saw Def Leppard, Cheap Trick, and Poison at the same venue. Walking in with my decidedly non-metal friends, I told them the story of the protesters and joked about them being there once again.
And lo and behold, they were. Evidently they have literally nothing better to do.
Several weeks later, I hear they were at the Killers show, and then at the blink182 the next day.
Mayhem I can almost understand. Def Leppard? blink182? The Killers? Really?
Really?
I think you might be confusing “protesting” with “prosthelytizing”. Thinking objectively, metal bands that promote “the deconstruction of organized religion [Christianity in particular],” “a theistic Satan,” or any other some-such anti-Christian message are truly using their stage to do the same thing as the Christians you profess to detest – essentially prosthelytizing — leave one herd, join another. True individuality is startlingly rare.
I also often wonder why most “anti-” focused metal bands complete the sentiment with “Christian.” Certainly, it is the most pervasive organized religion in Western Civiliazation, but why not target other pro-social monotheistic religions? I have a hypothesis… because it it popular to do so and it fits the pre-existing template / imagery that metal has established. It is the way to be uniform… “in step.”
Musings, is all. Just throwing out an observation…
To my knowledge, very rarely do Satanic bands believe in a literal Satan. Generally he’s considered symbolic of rebelling against the status quo, represented by Christianity. And I believe the reason the “anti-” is usually followed by “Christianity” is really just a result of what parts of the world the music is made in. Al-Namrood, for example, is from Saudi Arabia and takes the name of someone considered an enemy by the entire Abrahamic tradition.
Also, as Joel Grind said, a lot of it is tongue-in-cheek.
It doesn’t even matter if the the lyrics are bad. I was listening to a christian metal band at work and one of my fellow employees walks in the room, makes a face and says, “How can you stand listening to this devil music?” Needless to say I laughed the old bitch out of the room.
Dude, I completely sympathize with you.
My (wonderful) wife can’t tell the difference between my Christian and non-Christian metal either. Haha
LOL!! Christians are such idiots…almost in a funny way!(puts on NA’s ‘Hang The Pope’)
Hang the Pope hang the Pope hang the Pope
Hang the Pope hang the Pope hang the Pope
Hang him with a fucking rope
Let’s go to the Vatican, get him out of bed
Put the noose around his neck and hang him till he’s dead
Hang the Pope hang the Pope hang the Pope
Hang the Pope hang the Pope hang the Pope
Hang him with a fucking rope
Let’s go to the Vatican, get him out of bed
Put the noose around his neck and hang him till he’s fucking dead
All hail Satan my dark lord and master
+1
Idiocy from grown adults that still have imaginary friends? I just don’t believe it.
+1…
Wait, +5
+1000
2x
I love the bilboard. I almost spit my coffee at my monitor when I scrolled down to it.
I’m a christian and metalhead, and this article makes me sick. It’s just music people.
You are an oxymoron.
Count me as an oxymoron too.
Me three.
Four.
Believe it or not, you can go from listening to Extol, to Sodom, to Living Sacrifice, to Goatwhore. :)
Yeah, it’s not that big of a deal.
Living Sacrifice — Nonexistent
That is christian death metal album that could blow our satanic assess to pieces!!
Too bad it doesn’t. I’ll admit they’re talented, but secular and satanic death metal is just so much better.
Christian Death Metal just sounds like an oxymoron to me…
Agreed. So does the term “Un-Black Metal”
Several members of my extended family are hardcore southern baptists and as far as they’re concerned, you can’t be Christian and be metal at the same time. One of my cousins is a youth minister and he believes bands like Underoath, As I Lay Dying, Living Sacrifice et al. are “wolves in sheep’s clothing.” Apparently, according to him, their members are secretly Satanists who are trying to lure kids to the dark side by pretending to be Christian and playing metal music to “seduce them to Satanism.” ROTFLMAO.
As for me, I gave up on Christianity when I was kicked out of Sunday school class at 13 for the crime of “asking too many questions.” Think for yourself, and be very leery of any organization that basically asks you to check your brain at the door.
some people would rather worship a 2000 yr old carpenter than think for themselves…sucks for them, i guess
So BDM is allowed to say whatever they please, but this news station, and the protesters are not? I guess you’re all for freedom of speech as long as it’s your favorite band doing the speaking. The show went on as scheduled so technically no harm was done. Why all the hurt feelings then? The news idiots and the protesters are free to say whatever they want.
Sticks and stones man. Sticks and stones.
No one said anything about not allowing these people to write or state their beliefs, just that the group was ignorant and reactionary and that the reporting was unbalanced.
i dont listen to christian metal, they just dont have as talented musicians as secular does. but at least the have positive lyrics. cant bands and people just leave these people to just do what they do? if you dont like them , dont listen, sounds pretty simple to me. i live in texas where theres a church on every corner and i never have anybody ” forcing their religious views” on me. people who criticize chrisianity and its worship of ” fake idols and fairy tales” constantly belittle them for being hipocrites and looking down on them. isn’t that exactly what these same people are doing? even if it is a afairy tale, cant you just let them believe that? whats with letting people improve their lives in which ever way they think is right? get a life!
Kill more christians, please. Deicide has the right idea.
I am a firm believer in Christ. Should I be killed too?
duh
Really?
Wow, even christian “metalheads” are fucking retarded. I mean, it’s not like I couldn’t have guessed that, but damn you proved me correct so quickly.
How did I prove you correct?
You freaked out and took what I said at face value. It’s called a fucking joke, dude. Get your cross out of your ass.
I’m going to go piss on a bible, later.
I didn’t freak out, as a matter of fact I just replied to your post. You stated that all Christians should be killed and I simply asked if I should be killed too, because you know, my beliefs are different from yours. Joke is on me, anyway, I gotta go pull this cross out of my ass; have fun pissing on your bible.
Jesus, Nate you really have a chip on your shoulder over this whole Christian thing.
Personally? I don’t. But christians have been polluting the world with their stupidity, ignorance, and hatred for too long.
Christian metal bothers me, because they are each the antithesis of the other.
Christianity bothers me because they spread ignorance.
Have they done anything to me? Other than bother me, and inform me that I’m going to burn in hell, not really. I’d just like the world to be a better place, and without christianity, it’d be pretty fuckin awesome.
Sure, their are plenty of Christian douche bags out there, but there are also many Athesist that are total jerks about their beliefs as well. It really just boils down to people being controlling assholes.
For example, some Christians will be intolerant assholes who won’t respect you unless you believe what they do just like some Athesists will be intolerant assholes who don’t respect you unless you believe what they do.
Either way, no one can prove that a god does/doesn’t exist so I don’t know why everyone give a fuck so much about being right.
I never said I was an atheist. I’m with you on the fact that you can’t prove/disprove god. Im against christianity because they promote a system of conformity and a one-belief-fits-all thought process. Christians pull shit like this all the time, they pollute the political system and pass ignorant legislature.
I would have no problem with christians if they could just keep it to themselves. THe thing is, the vast majority of them are stuck in their superiority complex.
i think its funny that you get yelled at for saying a joke and the christian metalhead get all pissed off. notice how it doesnt work both ways.they cant take a fuckin joke. funny, cuz religion is such a comical thing.
+1
Yeah, I don’t get it either.
Don’t worry Cisco, I’ll be right behind ya. You won’t die alone.
Sweet.
Damn, now they have solidarity… They will feel justified by their sacrifices.
You Christian kids are alright, although I can say I do have problems with your beliefs without it being a personal attack against your qualities as a human being. I wish the distinction would be made between Atheists attacking organized religion and attacking believers. I think one should be able to respect a person but not that person’s opinions.
Agreed Alex. There are many christians I love and cherish as people, but overall the institution is fucked up. And when you get little jizzjockeys like these pricks being unable to take a fucking joke, and realize that yes, their religion has some stupid shit going on, then there’s a fucking problem.
Don’y worry, I’ll take care of myself
Kill plenty more christians.
Burn more churches to the ground.
The complete destruction of all religious institutions is what needs to happen.
And I’m not joking. The joke is on you.
I remember when I saw Believer play years ago, there were militant christians protesting the “satanic” music coming from inside the club.
infuriating, really? I think it’s great. The venue did the right thing and the bands got a lot more publicity for the show than they would have got without the protest.
This story is as old as time. There’s always some stupid christian group that gets wind of some band with “controversal” lyrics and latches onto them. Blame it on Marliyn Manson’s lack of popularity as of late. These moral activist don’t know what to do with themselves. At this point, I find it amusing.
Joel’s statement was very levelheaded and well-put. Good on him.
“hardcore satanic metal music”
HAHA, thats great!
whoa they ran my story awesome!!!!! im not a christian but anyway its still a bummer that ppl still think that metal=satan even though their are many a great christian metal bands out thier ppl who dont know still blast it cause it’s heavy and they cant understand. Nobody u couldnt scream to talk to jesus. Hosently i would think metal is a lil more widely accepted in today culture sure not everybody enjoys it so they stay away from it u know can go to the local mall and get ur job for cowboy or shirt that u want an the hot topic which right across from american eagle and next to payless shoes. What is a “satantic” band anyway??? A band that may have a few pentagrams on stage, or 666 on a t-shirt,a upside down cross on thier album cover most bands put that on thier merch,ect to sell it or get noticed. I mean walk in to record store u may not notice that muse album but that deicide album may catch sumbody eyes. Personlly i never really cared if a band was statanic or christain or whatever i listen to as i lay dying as much i listen too dark funeral its all heavy metal isnt it???? we could go on and on and on about this subject
honestly, I always thought it ridiculous that death metal bands sometimes play gigs at churches. it’s really bizarre to me. but I guess those churches are just willing to do anything for some money
Duh. Dude, the whole basis of the church is greed. JFAC’s music video for Unfurling a Darkened Gospel was filmed in a church. It also gives a distraction so more little boys can get molested.
Maybe at a catholic church is what you’re thinking of. But most death metal bands that play at churches play at non-denominational churches, which are far more tolerant that catholic churches, and they see it as a good way to spread the word of christ to a crowd that doesn’t usually hear it in a non-throat-shoving-down-their-believes- kind of way. And I’m sure that the churches in the world have given more to charities and the less fortunate than you EVER will.
see, its the whole “spread the word of christ” thing that were kind of against so…….
Coming from a person named ‘Noel’.
Stereotyping all metalheads so they have the same exact views as you? Who knows, maybe some of them are more open minded than you are.
You know what Ben. Lets dissect this.
1. Bagging on other christians? It’s pathetic you all believe the same general bullshit, but can’t get along.
2. Many members of my family are catholic, and they’re way more tolerant than you.
3. Your last sentence points out how fucking retarded you are.
A. The churches ask for money on a regular basis.
B. Having so much money floating around in an organization, of course they’re going to give some to charity. They have a public appearance to think of.
C. The fact that you think this is relevant is saddening.
D. The fact that you think the analogy of charity-giving between a MULTIMILLION member organization and ONE PERSON makes me laugh.
E. The fact that you honestly believe the amount of money churches gives to charity makes up for the atrocities committed in the name of Christ makes me seriously doubt your ideas of morality.
I always though metal bands were all christian?? You mean to tell me they aren’t speaking in tongues? Well fuck me, they all have lyrics!! Learn something new everyday.
Yeah, I think this is a great story. For a change a venue actually did the right thing and stood by their beliefs.
I remember working in a shoe store in pennsylvania while I was in college and the last hour or so of every night I would let the kids that worked for me turn the horrible dvd we had to play off, and listen to whatever. One night, one of the kids put on underoath. Two middle aged men walked into the store and started screaming at us that we need to go straight to church and get straightened out because satan has us under his control.
I’m not a big underoath fan, and I don’t think they’re metal, but for fucks sake, those dudes are way christian. People who are religious should keep their mouths shut.
In the end, they ended up calling my stores corporate headquarters to complain and two days later I got an email saying it was against company policy to listen to other music, and a phone call from my boss berating me for turning the dvd off.
Thank god they weren’t there for my weekly vital remains night.
They should be fucking psyched to be in the exclusive company of metal bands that have had media scandals because christians calling them satanists. Priest, Ozzy, Slayer…..thats the best thing that can happen to a metal band. come on…I bet Joel Grind is psyched. or he should be.
to paraphrase the great Hank Hill, “christian metal doesn’t make christianity cooler, it just makes metal worse.”
That is so fuckin true
Stryper fucking rules!
Lol.
its a double edged sword because while BDM free to say things like that
the parents are entitled to their shitty opinion
and the venue is free to invite whoever they want to play
also why the hell would a christian place want BDM? thats just stupid.
Money. Dude, christians are fucking whores for the green.
You didn’t even watch the video did you. You’re just inserting your biased opinion over what the owners ACTUALLY said was the reason they invited the bands to play.
Wow. Do you believe everything people say?
I’m a Christian and a metalhead. I don’t buy into the whole “metal is evil” thing…I’m old enough/mature enough/smart enough to think for myself.
With that being said, all you people who are saying shit like “fuck christians” and doing that thing where you play sooo smart and look down on people who believe in “imaginary friends”…all you’re doing is proving their stereotype…you’re really no better. But you should’ve known that by now…my saying it here won’t be any big revelation to you now, so what the hell, right?
I’m a Christian and a metalhead. I don’t buy into the whole “metal is evil” thing…I’m old enough/mature enough/smart enough to think for myself
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Hmmm the retards strike again, as a Christian and death metal fan the stupidity and closed minded-ness of the average conservative adult sickens me.
The music sounds scary and dark? That’s called diminished :P
Please don’t think every Christian or religious person is as ignorant as the majority. Some are actually pretty open, me and my friends blast Necrophagist, Behemoth and Nachtmystium all day. even my dad, an ordained minister thinks Metal is sweet. I took him to a Lamb of God show and he loved it and we are going to see Cynic and BTBAM soon. people need to realize that music doesnt always mirror real life and need think outside the box a little bit. Theres more to life than strumming 3 chord songs on an acoustic and singing about Jesus.
Yes, some people are more open- minded. My one metalhead coworker is also a Christian, but is pretty open minded. Sometimes he says silly things like “I’ll pray for you,” when I have Slayer on over here, and Dimmu Borgir kind of creeps him out, but he has never had anything judgemental to say like some of my conservative Christian relatives have. I have some strict religious people in my family, let me tell you guys.
I’m not too sure about religion, personally, being a woman and a metal lover, and it has always been difficult for me to try to piece together feminism and religion. I have a view of equality that just doesn’t seem to fit. And my music, concerts, and tattoos aren’t always viewed so favorably!
But hey, God listens to Slayer! That’s awesome.
I wonder if Tom Araya sends God free copies of Slayer albums.
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Nah god likes Slayer so much he goes out and BUYS them ;-) And you can always see him strolling around the city in his Slayer tshirts too.
Man these type of protestors are ridiculous. I was at an Incubus concert (many years ago mind you) and they were protesting them simply based on the name of the band. FUCKN Ridiculous
Odd, Skeletonwitch was on that show too. You’d think they’d mention them just for their namessake.
Its hard to believe Ithat so many people are anti-religious douchebags who are so arrogant and confident in their atheist beliefs that they blog and spam the shit out of anyone who believes in the idea of God. You’re probably the same people that think Obama was born in the United States, is Christian, ins’t Communist, and that his grandma died from natural causes. It sucks that those people are publicised so badly, because almost everytime someone who is Christian is shown in media, they are either naive or dumb in the first place, or they end up being bashed or made to look stupid. Its just organized religion that has its balls twisted. It gives everything a bad rap.
People should be able to believe whatever they want to. You only have one life on this crazy ass planet so you might as well live it the way you want.
not bad i agree. sounds like you’re not one of these drone/zombie mofos dominating this country
Like I said, I’m a Christian but I don’t mix religion with musical opinion (for the most part)…after all, a sweet riff is a sweet riff, right?
I do like to laugh at the people who get all blown out of shape over it. I’ve met and known people like that for years and I really believe they are well-intentioned…I mean they actually feel they’re doing what they’re supposed to. I just think there are people who take things too far and get all dramatic over ANYTHING that they’re passionate about…for some folks that’s religion. All in all, the ones I’ve met are good people. It does get awkward though…I went to church with a friend and his family when we were 13 or 14 yrs old. During the “youth group” class, we had to watch a video that was pretty much an early 80’s after school special about the evils of listening to AC/DC and Judas Priest and the hidden subliminal messaging. It was funny…I was thinking the whole time “Man, it’s 1994, we’re still on this? My mom’s church never mentions anything about this stuff!”.
Agreed on the sweet riff comment. I mean, I love Dimmu Borgir and Cradle of Filth for their music, and I haven’t found a Chirstian metal band yet that sounds like either of them. Christian metal has way too much hardcore (and not the awesome Hatebreed kind) for my tastes.
What’s weird to me is when people lable a band I dig as “christian-metal” and it’s totally news to me. Maybe I just not hip to various scenes, but I have a hard time putting bands in genres altogether. I’ve really been jamming Maylene and the Sons of Disaster for the last year or so, and I recently seen people call them christian-metal several times lately. Really? I just thought they were a cool band, never looked for the christian stuff.
I think sometimes that definition of Christian metal is a bit distorted. Alot of people think that a band is Christian just because they have Christian member. But the lyrics can be incredibly random. On the other hand, I’ve looked at lyrics for Demon Hunter, and obviously with songs like ‘Storm the Gates of Hell,” the Christianity is apparent.
A band that seems to have Christian members, and are not always Christian in lyrics is Underoath. From the lyrics I have read, they are just random, and, in esssence, could apply to a secular thought. A friend once showed me an Underoath interview, and the members said some passing statements that made them seem like they use Christianity more as morality guidelines than as something they take very seriously.
I’m going to see The Black Dahlia Murder and Toxic Holocaust tomorrow night. I hope protesters show up so I can LOL at them before I go enjoy an awesome show.
Well, regardless of the stupidity of the article/news stuff, it looks like the Christians have good taste in music. Both bands are awful.
HA!!!! Ziltoid made a funny!
Do you realize that every band you listen to is fucking horse shit horrible. Like every band you listen to makes 0 impact on anything and has 100 other bands that sound exactly like them.
Untrue.
If anything, that is true about whatever you listen to, since me commenting about these shitty bands obviously got you roused up.
I am impartial to BDM and TH, so that means you’re wrong bucko! 98% of everything you listen to is pretty darn horrible. Cormorant is pretty much the only thing redeemable of your whole catalog.
Ummm…posting with multiple usernames to try and make it seem like people agree with you? That’s pathetic, Cisco/I’m not Racist.
And you have still yet to prove anything about my objectively superior musical taste. What do you like, ICP? Emmure? Brokencyde? Gojira? Lamb of God? Oceano? “Bucko,” you’re about as wrong as wrong gets.
I do like TBDM, but only their last two albums, and although I could see someone enjoying Toxic Holocaust, they’re kind of boring to me, but so is all re-thrash besides Skeletonwitch.
What ‘roused’ me up is your continual bashing of every band that has ever gotten to a chart of any kind or has been signed by any label that is known to people other then basement dwellers. I could go on and prove my kvltness by posting a bunch of bands I’m sure youv’e never heard of, but I won’t. But theres nothing wrong with someone enjoying Oranssi Pazuzu and Paramore.
I disagree. There is actually something wrong with liking Paramore.
Go listen to some stryper you stupid christian cunt.
y u so bitter n8
And you are so fail mark. N8. Really? You lack the ability to take about two extra seconds to type an -ate.
Please, please, PLEASE, go kill yourself. Honestly.
You sound so angry. You need the love of Christ to sooth your soul.
Awww Mark. I’d rather take a cheese grater to my dick. But thanks for the offer, though. It’s so funny how christians can’t keep their beliefs to themselves.
What makes you think I’m a Christian and not just trolling an angry relentless being?
Well, you’re not funny. So I assumed you were a Christian. You could also be a failtroll. That’s a definite possibility. I love how you think I’m angry.
You keep responding to my posts, so I’m gonna go ahead and say I’m not failing. You’re amusing me, though. That’s all that really matters.
I could say the same to you Mark. Your stupidity is like a car accident. It’s awesome to laugh at, and it feels good to know you’re not that guy.
ur silly
As are you. Let’s be BFFs!
Only if we get friendship bracelets.
Ok. I’ll go buy them. Can I have a bunny rabbit on mine, that is taking a shit onto a a turtle?
As long as the turtle isn’t a Christian.
He’s not. If he was a christian, he would be depicted with his head on a pike.
Dude, we’re two totally different people. You’re a pretty sharp guy, no wonder your taste in music is absolutely stellar!
“…being Christian and being closed minded doesn’t have to be synonymous with each other. Everyone has a right to believe in whatever they want. If it empowers you and doesn’t infringe on anyone else, then I’m all for it. Sadly the herd mentality of organized religion doesn’t work like that. It’s too much of a threat to the very foundation on which it’s based. Let’s end organized religion and stop the real evil in this world.”
Does anyone else see a contradiction in this statement? “Christians aren’t all closed minded, but yes they are and let’s stop them from having free speech instead!” What do you know, non-Christians can be hypocrites too!
Anti-religious people are just as dumb as religious people.
Really, this is the whole giant douche/turd sandwich argument from South Park. Both sides are simply retarded and have very little to actually offer to intellectual discussion because each feels like it has some superiority over the other.
Not really. If you’re anti-religious for the right reasons. If you look at it from the perspective that Christians are denying proper education and the spread of knowledge, and being anti-religious seems pretty damn justified, doesn’t it?
and you feel no superiority over them?
*swish*
*swoosh*
When discussing religion on the public square, one must not feel any superiority whatsoever, regardless of how confident they are that they are correct, Otherwise, that makes you arrogant, and arrogance with regard to religious discussion is silly. Even the mighty Ziltoid is not omniscient enough to know whether there is a divine being or not. Hence my agnosticism.
Respect.
Agnosticism is a belief for those too lazy to do the research.
A lot of metal lyrics are anti-Christian. A lot of Christian doctrine is anti-Atheist and anti-other religions. Is one really worse than the other? I think not.
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Christian doctrine is not anti-other religions. And wouldn’t you expect a theistic religion to be anti-atheist? I’m not saying that I agree with being anti-Atheist, but it makes some sense on Christianity’s part.
My point is that for all the shit these protesting Christians spew to atheists and people who practice other religions for being anti-Christian, they themselves are just as hateful towards other people’s beliefs. They always claim anti-Christian sentiments are “offensive”, but their own prejudices are just as offensive to atheists such as myself, as well as people who practice other religions. According to these people, Christian values are “righteous” and all other values are “blasphemous and damaging to children”. Being anti-Christian really isn’t any more offensive than being anti-Atheist, is all I’m saying.
Dethklok had trouble finding a reasonable religion, too. I guess it’s just a problem metal heads have xD
the show last night at rocket town was amazing.
it’s pretty cool that the supposed “good christian” is judging these bands without knowing anything about them. he need to get the fuck off his high horse.
What ignorance.
I love people who argue philosophy over the internet. It really goes far.
lol…it’s a blast ain’t it? Has ANYONE ever changed ANYBODY’S mind since the history of the message board?
I suppose that my comment won’t change anybody’s mind about internet arguing being fun, though…
Consider my mind fucking BLOWN.
Did you know that song’s about aliens? That song’s about ALIENS man.
lolwat? What song are you referring to?
Sorry. Didn’t know what else to say so I threw in a line from “Dazed and Confused” which seemed to fit (since you were talking a about blowing your own mind), for shits & giggles. My bad lol.
Say man, you got a joint? It’d be a lot cooler if ya did.
Behind every good man there is a woman, and that woman was Martha Washington, man. And everyday when George would come home, she would have a big fat bowl waiting for him, man, when he come in the door, man, she was a hip, hip, hip lady, man.
Imagine a world with no religion.
The headache and stomach medicine industry would go out of business.
Ahahaha wow I don’t know what I can’t believe more: the idiocy of this statement or the fact that you actually believe it.
Just so all of you know, once this totally wicked awesome ‘Hate Speech’ law is passed, you’re going to be risking legal action throwing the trash you call grammar around like you do. That’s for both sides.
And SERIOUSLY, close minded? mmmm taking me back to the high school days. Grow the fuck up.
Close Minded is the new Open Minded. That’s cool.
Religious idiocy…sort of like taking every waking opportunity to remind people that you’re Jewish.
Cancel the show! How dare we! Us metal loving idiots and our search for truth and meaning in this world…
I think it would be best for all involved if we ask a respectable, honest and god loving bad, with morals to come play instead, such as Creed! I mean, yeah he may bash the fuck out of his wife, but that’s what prayer is for, right?
I will now quote the Youngbloods:
Come on people now
Smile on your brother
Everybody get together
Try to love one another right now
I think God knows he’s got some followers who don’t quite get it and do things like try to run metal bands through the mud with stories like this.
There’s a place in hell for them too!
Lying for the sake of pushing your beliefs does not get you a better place with God.
If you’re going to be Christian, at least follow the teachings correctly.
Half-hearted prayers for forgiveness after the fact will get you nowhere.
Always room for one more… in Hell.
Well maybe atleast there will be a little more control during the show and no ninja pits. Getting kicking in the face really puts a shit stain on a great night.
Haha, thats some funny shit.
im not against chirstianity, but a majority of them are fucking ignorant. my uncle had a guy at his church tell him he was offended and said he “insulted his intelligence” because my uncle said something like satan was in idiot (i dont remember what the exact quote was but you get the picture) but yet this guy would be the same type to protest a show like this. doesnt make any sense.
Yeah, there’s a Christian band from Michigan who got a lot of crap from Christians or a shirt that says “Whoopin Satan’s Ass” or something like that. And, for the love of everything people, please don’t judge something you don’t fully get or understand. This goes for both sides of the argument. And just know this: when someone claims to be doing things in the name of God that goes against God’s word (the Bible) I’m just gonna take a wild guess and say that they’re not doing it in the name of God. Because most (if not all) of the time, it IS going against what God’s word says.
This sickens me. So much. I’m fine with people having different beliefs than me… but at least have the decency to get both sides of the story.
Plus, it seems to me like that is a really good opportunity to minister to people who might not be saved. I know someone else said something about that in the comments. But, the parents/ so-called Christians didn’t see it that way, did they? I personally hate the image being put out of Christians by Christians. And this is in relation to all these people protesting everything they can get out to. Speaking of which, anyone watch that episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm when Larry splashed piss on the picture of Jesus in the bathroom? Yeah, there was a huge backlash against that from the Catholic and Christian communities. All the puppets/zombies/drones canceled their HBO subscriptions en mass. This is why everyone thinks Christians can’t think for themselves. The herd mentality is what we’re supposed to get rid of when we’re saved.
This is what apathy and complacency has done to Christians.