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	<title>Comments on: THE BLOGRONAUT DISCUSSES 360 DEALS</title>
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		<title>By: nairb</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/03/the-blogronaut-discusses-360-deals/#comment-370667</link>
		<dc:creator>nairb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 05:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t understand why more bands/people aren&#039;t signing up for this:

http://www.gimmesound.com/

&quot;Our Concept
It’s real simple. Artists upload their music. Fans download it for free. We pay artists for every download out of ad revenue, with a percentage going to a cause of your choice.&quot;

the only complaint i have, which isn&#039;t really much of a complaint since i&#039;m getting free tunes, is that each song has to be downloaded individually.
but everything is absolutely free and the only emails i get from them are newsletters once month, if not less, promoting new bands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t understand why more bands/people aren&#8217;t signing up for this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gimmesound.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gimmesound.com/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Our Concept<br />
It’s real simple. Artists upload their music. Fans download it for free. We pay artists for every download out of ad revenue, with a percentage going to a cause of your choice.&#8221;</p>
<p>the only complaint i have, which isn&#8217;t really much of a complaint since i&#8217;m getting free tunes, is that each song has to be downloaded individually.<br />
but everything is absolutely free and the only emails i get from them are newsletters once month, if not less, promoting new bands.</p>
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		<title>By: Trackback Submitter</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/03/the-blogronaut-discusses-360-deals/#comment-355750</link>
		<dc:creator>Trackback Submitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Ghost of D. Boon</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/03/the-blogronaut-discusses-360-deals/#comment-344562</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ghost of D. Boon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually that does remind of what a lot of very small/local independent labels do, f&#039;rinstance, labels like SST or Touch and Go in their early days.

Of course the bands are usually doing it because they&#039;re friends with the label owner or they just have a strong belief in wanting the label (and by extension, their band) to succeed, rather than any formal employer/employee relationship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually that does remind of what a lot of very small/local independent labels do, f&#8217;rinstance, labels like SST or Touch and Go in their early days.</p>
<p>Of course the bands are usually doing it because they&#8217;re friends with the label owner or they just have a strong belief in wanting the label (and by extension, their band) to succeed, rather than any formal employer/employee relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur von Nagel</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/03/the-blogronaut-discusses-360-deals/#comment-344525</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur von Nagel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 01:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is.  I simply sent Relapse and The End Records copies of my album, said &quot;Hey guys, could you distribute?&quot;  They said they liked the album and agreed.  Now you can buy Metazoa from both of them.  It&#039;s that easy.

The music industry is not rocket science.  You just have to ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is.  I simply sent Relapse and The End Records copies of my album, said &#8220;Hey guys, could you distribute?&#8221;  They said they liked the album and agreed.  Now you can buy Metazoa from both of them.  It&#8217;s that easy.</p>
<p>The music industry is not rocket science.  You just have to ask.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/03/the-blogronaut-discusses-360-deals/#comment-342431</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking on a much smaller scale. But yea, wouldn&#039;t work with any sizable label. Like maybe four or five bands putting together a label and working for it.

Plus it&#039;s not as though existing labels that have a few bands on 360 deals will want to do the same for their whole roster. I&#039;m just thinking that if a band got a steady paycheck from these deals it might be worth it to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking on a much smaller scale. But yea, wouldn&#8217;t work with any sizable label. Like maybe four or five bands putting together a label and working for it.</p>
<p>Plus it&#8217;s not as though existing labels that have a few bands on 360 deals will want to do the same for their whole roster. I&#8217;m just thinking that if a band got a steady paycheck from these deals it might be worth it to them.</p>
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		<title>By: EsotericMetal</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/03/the-blogronaut-discusses-360-deals/#comment-342063</link>
		<dc:creator>EsotericMetal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vinyl is back. If your band is going to be putting out vinyl than it might not be such a bad idea to have some kind of arrangement with a label. Cd&#039;s need to become obsolete. Waste of fucking materials. There&#039;s enough trash as it is. Charging money for mp3&#039;s is pretty ridiculous if you ask me. Everyone should release their album for free. It&#039;s no longer a &#039;product&#039;, but an advertisement for you band.

The 360 deal definitely is pretty retarded unless all you care about is being famous. The more money a label can make off you, than the more they&#039;ll put into promoting you. This doesn&#039;t necessarily equate to any financial gain for the artist, but it does give them a lot more exposure. If that&#039;s all you care about than go ahead and take that 360 deal and hope that they throw in some vaseline. Which they probably won&#039;t, but at least you can write it off on your taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vinyl is back. If your band is going to be putting out vinyl than it might not be such a bad idea to have some kind of arrangement with a label. Cd&#8217;s need to become obsolete. Waste of fucking materials. There&#8217;s enough trash as it is. Charging money for mp3&#8217;s is pretty ridiculous if you ask me. Everyone should release their album for free. It&#8217;s no longer a &#8216;product&#8217;, but an advertisement for you band.</p>
<p>The 360 deal definitely is pretty retarded unless all you care about is being famous. The more money a label can make off you, than the more they&#8217;ll put into promoting you. This doesn&#8217;t necessarily equate to any financial gain for the artist, but it does give them a lot more exposure. If that&#8217;s all you care about than go ahead and take that 360 deal and hope that they throw in some vaseline. Which they probably won&#8217;t, but at least you can write it off on your taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: ERiK</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/03/the-blogronaut-discusses-360-deals/#comment-341967</link>
		<dc:creator>ERiK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve foundt that many computers do not play back mp3s correctly.  There is something really skrewy with a lot of soundcards altering the mix by tucking the vocals, leads, amplifying effects etc.  I&#039;ve had 2 computers that really alter the mix of recordings even at 320 kps.  I put the cd into a true car stereo or a real stereo built for cds and it sounded as it should.  Anyone else have this problem w/ playback on computers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve foundt that many computers do not play back mp3s correctly.  There is something really skrewy with a lot of soundcards altering the mix by tucking the vocals, leads, amplifying effects etc.  I&#8217;ve had 2 computers that really alter the mix of recordings even at 320 kps.  I put the cd into a true car stereo or a real stereo built for cds and it sounded as it should.  Anyone else have this problem w/ playback on computers?</p>
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		<title>By: ERiK</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/03/the-blogronaut-discusses-360-deals/#comment-341954</link>
		<dc:creator>ERiK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is a reason that 99% of bands choose to sign with a record label once they&#039;ve proven themselves to be a force independently.  

It&#039;s because 99% of bands can only go so far independently and NEED a record label to help them get to where they want to be with their music &quot;career&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is a reason that 99% of bands choose to sign with a record label once they&#8217;ve proven themselves to be a force independently.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s because 99% of bands can only go so far independently and NEED a record label to help them get to where they want to be with their music &#8220;career&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/03/the-blogronaut-discusses-360-deals/#comment-341818</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I love the all American can do spirit, but in reality, it sounds like throwing a handful of sand at the ocean.:

-I&#039;m sure it is, with that attitude!

&quot; The amount of energy it takes to successfully market a band is no simple operation.&quot;

-no shit, if it were easy then every shit band you knew would be as big as lamb of god!

&quot;The concept of playing weekend warrior regional gigs amounts to nothing.&quot;

-completely untrue.  if you are going out and playing new places, you will get new fans.  this rule is of course void if your band is not good.

&quot;The idea of being independent is enticing. Keeping 100% of the profit is ofcourse ideal, but 100% of negative 10,000+ dollars will destroy anyone.

It’s very possible for wealthy people to be independent and bypass the “evil” record labels. Every media outlet, agent, and producer can be bought, but most people (especially metal musicians) will never have that type of disposable income. This is where record labels are worth their weight in gold.&quot;

-everyone in your band bought guitars, amps, drums etc right?  I mean everyone has spent some money just to be able to plug in and rock.  if you have four members in a band, splitting up costs like that gets a lot easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I love the all American can do spirit, but in reality, it sounds like throwing a handful of sand at the ocean.:</p>
<p>-I&#8217;m sure it is, with that attitude!</p>
<p>&#8221; The amount of energy it takes to successfully market a band is no simple operation.&#8221;</p>
<p>-no shit, if it were easy then every shit band you knew would be as big as lamb of god!</p>
<p>&#8220;The concept of playing weekend warrior regional gigs amounts to nothing.&#8221;</p>
<p>-completely untrue.  if you are going out and playing new places, you will get new fans.  this rule is of course void if your band is not good.</p>
<p>&#8220;The idea of being independent is enticing. Keeping 100% of the profit is ofcourse ideal, but 100% of negative 10,000+ dollars will destroy anyone.</p>
<p>It’s very possible for wealthy people to be independent and bypass the “evil” record labels. Every media outlet, agent, and producer can be bought, but most people (especially metal musicians) will never have that type of disposable income. This is where record labels are worth their weight in gold.&#8221;</p>
<p>-everyone in your band bought guitars, amps, drums etc right?  I mean everyone has spent some money just to be able to plug in and rock.  if you have four members in a band, splitting up costs like that gets a lot easier.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/03/the-blogronaut-discusses-360-deals/#comment-341805</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep!  it&#039;s sad but true. plus with DAW recording, it&#039;s very easy to polish any turd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep!  it&#8217;s sad but true. plus with DAW recording, it&#8217;s very easy to polish any turd.</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="184804344">Vince Edwards</fb:name></title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/03/the-blogronaut-discusses-360-deals/#comment-341800</link>
		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="184804344">Vince Edwards</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s not a single indie label on the planet that could bankroll 200+ employees from 50+ bands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s not a single indie label on the planet that could bankroll 200+ employees from 50+ bands.</p>
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		<title>By: stu1</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/03/the-blogronaut-discusses-360-deals/#comment-341782</link>
		<dc:creator>stu1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, and that&#039;s about 95% of the music buying public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, and that&#8217;s about 95% of the music buying public.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/03/the-blogronaut-discusses-360-deals/#comment-341770</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correction -&quot;....instead of BEING a contractor...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correction -&#8221;&#8230;.instead of BEING a contractor&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/03/the-blogronaut-discusses-360-deals/#comment-341769</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 360 deal doesn&#039;t have to be a negative for artists. I don&#039;t know the details of any existing contracts but if the artist was treated more like an employee that earns a regular pay-check and benefits instead of a contractor I can see the deal working out quite well.

On its face it seems this could be a viable model for a label. Hire bands as employees and when they aren&#039;t busy with touring or recording they could work in the office helping promote the other bands on the label or in the warehouse shipping merch. Hell, what about an employee owned and operated label with that type of model? Of course it would never work what with all the ego&#039;s getting in the way but it&#039;s a nice little pipe dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 360 deal doesn&#8217;t have to be a negative for artists. I don&#8217;t know the details of any existing contracts but if the artist was treated more like an employee that earns a regular pay-check and benefits instead of a contractor I can see the deal working out quite well.</p>
<p>On its face it seems this could be a viable model for a label. Hire bands as employees and when they aren&#8217;t busy with touring or recording they could work in the office helping promote the other bands on the label or in the warehouse shipping merch. Hell, what about an employee owned and operated label with that type of model? Of course it would never work what with all the ego&#8217;s getting in the way but it&#8217;s a nice little pipe dream.</p>
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		<title>By: major</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/03/the-blogronaut-discusses-360-deals/#comment-341741</link>
		<dc:creator>major</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is pretty much exactly what I was thinking when I heard about this last week. Why the fuck would any small metal band sign to this kind of deal? It&#039;s the sleeziest shit I&#039;ve ever heard of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is pretty much exactly what I was thinking when I heard about this last week. Why the fuck would any small metal band sign to this kind of deal? It&#8217;s the sleeziest shit I&#8217;ve ever heard of.</p>
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		<title>By: Brrrrrrt</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/03/the-blogronaut-discusses-360-deals/#comment-341734</link>
		<dc:creator>Brrrrrrt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s completely and 100% accurate.&quot;

... yeah it is true if you are the kind of guy who cannot spot the difference between a 2kbps and a 320kbps !

Anyway ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s completely and 100% accurate.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; yeah it is true if you are the kind of guy who cannot spot the difference between a 2kbps and a 320kbps !</p>
<p>Anyway &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Foley</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/03/the-blogronaut-discusses-360-deals/#comment-341704</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Foley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some guy in Killswitch Engage has the same name I do.  I did not know this.

Anyway, yes to what D Boon said.

= Justin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some guy in Killswitch Engage has the same name I do.  I did not know this.</p>
<p>Anyway, yes to what D Boon said.</p>
<p>= Justin</p>
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		<title>By: stu1</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/03/the-blogronaut-discusses-360-deals/#comment-341653</link>
		<dc:creator>stu1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s completely and 100% accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s completely and 100% accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Brrrrrrt</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/03/the-blogronaut-discusses-360-deals/#comment-341640</link>
		<dc:creator>Brrrrrrt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;people these days rarely listen to anything other than MP3s — through computer speakers even — so there’s going to be very little noticeable difference between your project recording and Metallica’s Black Album at this point&quot;

This is the stupidest crap I have ever read in my entire life !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;people these days rarely listen to anything other than MP3s — through computer speakers even — so there’s going to be very little noticeable difference between your project recording and Metallica’s Black Album at this point&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the stupidest crap I have ever read in my entire life !</p>
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		<title>By: The Ghost of D. Boon</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Ghost of D. Boon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;d be funny i it weren&#039;t so disgusting, the growing popularity of 360 deals with labels.

As Sascha said, it&#039;s tantamount to abuse for an artist. It&#039;s great for labels, yeah, that&#039;s why they&#039;re doing it.

It&#039;s just kind of hard to believe that labels are so short-sighted and stuck in their ways that their reaction to the way the music industry is changing is to come up with something that screws people even more.

Hopefully the only good thing about this deal is that it will hasten the already inevitable demise of these fuckheads. Good Riddance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;d be funny i it weren&#8217;t so disgusting, the growing popularity of 360 deals with labels.</p>
<p>As Sascha said, it&#8217;s tantamount to abuse for an artist. It&#8217;s great for labels, yeah, that&#8217;s why they&#8217;re doing it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just kind of hard to believe that labels are so short-sighted and stuck in their ways that their reaction to the way the music industry is changing is to come up with something that screws people even more.</p>
<p>Hopefully the only good thing about this deal is that it will hasten the already inevitable demise of these fuckheads. Good Riddance.</p>
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