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		<title>By: Slaughterhouse</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/06/on-metal-production-2/#comment-345590</link>
		<dc:creator>Slaughterhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suecof has done a lot of killer metal albums as of late. Andy Sneap is amazing as well as Colin Richardson. Adam D. is actually a great producer also...I love how he gets a good mix of low end...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suecof has done a lot of killer metal albums as of late. Andy Sneap is amazing as well as Colin Richardson. Adam D. is actually a great producer also&#8230;I love how he gets a good mix of low end&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Slaughterhouse</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/06/on-metal-production-2/#comment-345557</link>
		<dc:creator>Slaughterhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dream Theater always sounds fucking awesome! John and Mike have got it down!  Their early albums, the bass was too low in the mix but since they took over, you can hear it all!</description>
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		<title>By: Slaughterhouse</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/06/on-metal-production-2/#comment-345545</link>
		<dc:creator>Slaughterhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a lot of bands just sound the same now a days! Whether their production style is the same or not!</description>
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		<title>By: Slaughterhouse</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/06/on-metal-production-2/#comment-345538</link>
		<dc:creator>Slaughterhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No the singer did that!</description>
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		<title>By: LilalCFH</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/06/on-metal-production-2/#comment-344873</link>
		<dc:creator>LilalCFH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree. I met Jeff Malone on the Summer Slaughter Tour a couple years back, and he said that every band on the tour called Beneath The Massacre, Beneath The ProTools, cuz they sucked so bad live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree. I met Jeff Malone on the Summer Slaughter Tour a couple years back, and he said that every band on the tour called Beneath The Massacre, Beneath The ProTools, cuz they sucked so bad live.</p>
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		<title>By: DemonicLemming</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/06/on-metal-production-2/#comment-344749</link>
		<dc:creator>DemonicLemming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, there&#039;s only so much you can do to make a car a good audio environment, and even then, you&#039;re still really constrained.  I did system design and install from everything from SPL burpers to extremely expensive SQ systems, and even with all the money dropped into a car&#039;s stereo - deck, EQ, components, amps, subs, imaging, time delay, interior resonance, sound dampening, low-frequency wave cancellation, all that other shit that took lots and lots of money....I can plug a set of AKG K501s into my tube amp and get a much cleaner, more dynamic, much less colored sound listening to music, and not have to deal with any car-related noises doing it.

Car stereo shit is ungodly fun, especially burping a competition SPL setup when no one&#039;s expecting it, but once you get into home audio, it takes a lot of the fun out of it, at least if you&#039;re after SQ/SQL.  Although, you can make fun of the $5,000 power cable HT guys, which almost makes up for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, there&#8217;s only so much you can do to make a car a good audio environment, and even then, you&#8217;re still really constrained.  I did system design and install from everything from SPL burpers to extremely expensive SQ systems, and even with all the money dropped into a car&#8217;s stereo &#8211; deck, EQ, components, amps, subs, imaging, time delay, interior resonance, sound dampening, low-frequency wave cancellation, all that other shit that took lots and lots of money&#8230;.I can plug a set of AKG K501s into my tube amp and get a much cleaner, more dynamic, much less colored sound listening to music, and not have to deal with any car-related noises doing it.</p>
<p>Car stereo shit is ungodly fun, especially burping a competition SPL setup when no one&#8217;s expecting it, but once you get into home audio, it takes a lot of the fun out of it, at least if you&#8217;re after SQ/SQL.  Although, you can make fun of the $5,000 power cable HT guys, which almost makes up for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/06/on-metal-production-2/#comment-344696</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>100% completely agree with you, about shitty car stereos.  That&#039;s why I have a great one.  Infinity Kappas and Kappa Perfects along with an Alpine head unit that has some quality DAC&#039;s.  :oD

What really sucks are cars in general as an environment for audio.  I don&#039;t go and sit in front of my front right speaker at home, you know?  Much less road noise, engine noise, traffic, wind at 75 MPH, etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>100% completely agree with you, about shitty car stereos.  That&#8217;s why I have a great one.  Infinity Kappas and Kappa Perfects along with an Alpine head unit that has some quality DAC&#8217;s.  :oD</p>
<p>What really sucks are cars in general as an environment for audio.  I don&#8217;t go and sit in front of my front right speaker at home, you know?  Much less road noise, engine noise, traffic, wind at 75 MPH, etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher McEvoy</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/06/on-metal-production-2/#comment-344686</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher McEvoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>High On Fire&#039;s Surrounded By Thieves is the best produced metal album of the last 9 years.</description>
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		<title>By: SourDeez</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/06/on-metal-production-2/#comment-344674</link>
		<dc:creator>SourDeez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Immortal&#039;s &quot;Sons of Northern Darkness&quot; is a great example of good, clean, punchy production that somehow works for black metal. I think it has to do with the type of black metal. If it&#039;s the Darkthrone style of &quot;we lurk in the forest, where it&#039;s grim and cold&quot;, then the production should be crappy to give that super-trebly, freezing wind effect. But if it&#039;s the Immortal &quot;we wear armor and carry weapons and we&#039;re going to fucking kill you all&quot; black metal, then the good production really works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Immortal&#8217;s &#8220;Sons of Northern Darkness&#8221; is a great example of good, clean, punchy production that somehow works for black metal. I think it has to do with the type of black metal. If it&#8217;s the Darkthrone style of &#8220;we lurk in the forest, where it&#8217;s grim and cold&#8221;, then the production should be crappy to give that super-trebly, freezing wind effect. But if it&#8217;s the Immortal &#8220;we wear armor and carry weapons and we&#8217;re going to fucking kill you all&#8221; black metal, then the good production really works.</p>
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		<title>By: SourDeez</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/06/on-metal-production-2/#comment-344673</link>
		<dc:creator>SourDeez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re not BAD....but I mean, &quot;Thus Spake The Nightspirit&quot; is not on either of those albums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re not BAD&#8230;.but I mean, &#8220;Thus Spake The Nightspirit&#8221; is not on either of those albums.</p>
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		<title>By: JRTME</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/06/on-metal-production-2/#comment-344636</link>
		<dc:creator>JRTME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do find it funny how many people talk about music production and mixing and recording like it was one thing. 

I know that most of haven&#039;t even been to a big studio to see how its done.  

Just cause you have a Pro Tools/Logic/Etc unit at home.  Doesn&#039;t make you a Producer/Engineer or whatever you want to name yourself.  

So what I find it&#039;s that 99% of all you that talk this talk about recording really don&#039;t have clue what&#039;s going on with recording/mixing/mastering.   

I have seen it time and time again.  People talk a good talk walk into the big room and have no idea how or what to do with a session.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do find it funny how many people talk about music production and mixing and recording like it was one thing. </p>
<p>I know that most of haven&#8217;t even been to a big studio to see how its done.  </p>
<p>Just cause you have a Pro Tools/Logic/Etc unit at home.  Doesn&#8217;t make you a Producer/Engineer or whatever you want to name yourself.  </p>
<p>So what I find it&#8217;s that 99% of all you that talk this talk about recording really don&#8217;t have clue what&#8217;s going on with recording/mixing/mastering.   </p>
<p>I have seen it time and time again.  People talk a good talk walk into the big room and have no idea how or what to do with a session.</p>
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		<title>By: skepticsteve</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/06/on-metal-production-2/#comment-344528</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticsteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 01:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you forgot colin richardson... burn my eyes and demanufacture... two of the best sounding albums...

and yes Ross Robinson is the production god... not for the slickness beacuse it quite raw but for the performance and intensity your hear on the albums... its a true sounding record....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you forgot colin richardson&#8230; burn my eyes and demanufacture&#8230; two of the best sounding albums&#8230;</p>
<p>and yes Ross Robinson is the production god&#8230; not for the slickness beacuse it quite raw but for the performance and intensity your hear on the albums&#8230; its a true sounding record&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/06/on-metal-production-2/#comment-344492</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do audio engineering, you&#039;ve been in a studio. You&#039;ve seen the process, I do the process, there&#039;s a difference I&#039;m afraid, your original post painted quantisation as a bad thing. It&#039;s not. It&#039;s a tool, and like all tools it can be over used but that doesn&#039;t make it inherently bad. This is the big flaw in your argument.

If your drummers or guitarists suck they should practice more to a metronome, you&#039;re right, but to act like a tool is killing modern records is ridiculous, there are just as many talented musicians today as there ever were - many of whom do not need timing errors fixed at all, but sometimes its just a more efficient use of time to quantise mistakes instead of doing take over take over take when a member just can&#039;t quite nail it in time.

You have to realise that recording budgets are being slashed these days anyway because no one is buying records and labels want to save a buck or two, couple this with the fact that they want two more songs for the japanese market in the same amount of time they used to want 10-12 and it&#039;s definitely much more of a rush.

Also I have to disagree with the statement that quantisation and excessive triggering makes bands sound weak and thin - on the contrary it makes weak and thin bands sound powerful on a record, but it also sucks the life/personality out of them, usually however if the musicians are not talented enough then they won&#039;t have too much of this anyway. In addition, you also never addressed my point of - at what stage is it cheating? The digital process is geared towards making it easier for all parties involved - you could theoretically argue that if a band doesn&#039;t nail the whole song in a room with one take then it it&#039;s cheating.

As for the assuming anything about you, I didn&#039;t need to, you clearly don&#039;t really know what you&#039;re talking about and have now resolved to base level insults and meandering rants to try and prove a point against me, I mean really? C&#039;mon now man, grow up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do audio engineering, you&#8217;ve been in a studio. You&#8217;ve seen the process, I do the process, there&#8217;s a difference I&#8217;m afraid, your original post painted quantisation as a bad thing. It&#8217;s not. It&#8217;s a tool, and like all tools it can be over used but that doesn&#8217;t make it inherently bad. This is the big flaw in your argument.</p>
<p>If your drummers or guitarists suck they should practice more to a metronome, you&#8217;re right, but to act like a tool is killing modern records is ridiculous, there are just as many talented musicians today as there ever were &#8211; many of whom do not need timing errors fixed at all, but sometimes its just a more efficient use of time to quantise mistakes instead of doing take over take over take when a member just can&#8217;t quite nail it in time.</p>
<p>You have to realise that recording budgets are being slashed these days anyway because no one is buying records and labels want to save a buck or two, couple this with the fact that they want two more songs for the japanese market in the same amount of time they used to want 10-12 and it&#8217;s definitely much more of a rush.</p>
<p>Also I have to disagree with the statement that quantisation and excessive triggering makes bands sound weak and thin &#8211; on the contrary it makes weak and thin bands sound powerful on a record, but it also sucks the life/personality out of them, usually however if the musicians are not talented enough then they won&#8217;t have too much of this anyway. In addition, you also never addressed my point of &#8211; at what stage is it cheating? The digital process is geared towards making it easier for all parties involved &#8211; you could theoretically argue that if a band doesn&#8217;t nail the whole song in a room with one take then it it&#8217;s cheating.</p>
<p>As for the assuming anything about you, I didn&#8217;t need to, you clearly don&#8217;t really know what you&#8217;re talking about and have now resolved to base level insults and meandering rants to try and prove a point against me, I mean really? C&#8217;mon now man, grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: Matty</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/06/on-metal-production-2/#comment-344466</link>
		<dc:creator>Matty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not saying anything, just telling my own personal experience...I&#039;d say you&#039;re not a fan of Greg Fidelman&#039;s work, by your dislike of the Metallica and Slayer production...I personally find them far too dry sounding, it takes away alot from the dynamic of the sounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not saying anything, just telling my own personal experience&#8230;I&#8217;d say you&#8217;re not a fan of Greg Fidelman&#8217;s work, by your dislike of the Metallica and Slayer production&#8230;I personally find them far too dry sounding, it takes away alot from the dynamic of the sounds.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohit Gupta</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/06/on-metal-production-2/#comment-344437</link>
		<dc:creator>Rohit Gupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want a huge bass drum sound listen to Hacride&#039;s latest album Lazarus. That thing just sounds beautiful, and ou can tell that its natural too not even triggered, same with the rest of the kit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want a huge bass drum sound listen to Hacride&#8217;s latest album Lazarus. That thing just sounds beautiful, and ou can tell that its natural too not even triggered, same with the rest of the kit.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohit Gupta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohit Gupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because you own something doesn&#039;t mean you know what your talking about. I won a sewing machine, sure I&#039;ve sown a few things, but still doesn&#039;t mean I can go up to some grandma and talk to her about sewing.

And because you don&#039;t know nor care how to spell quantizing proves further that you do not know what your talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because you own something doesn&#8217;t mean you know what your talking about. I won a sewing machine, sure I&#8217;ve sown a few things, but still doesn&#8217;t mean I can go up to some grandma and talk to her about sewing.</p>
<p>And because you don&#8217;t know nor care how to spell quantizing proves further that you do not know what your talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Noel</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/06/on-metal-production-2/#comment-344404</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree. also, not only drums, but vocals. For example, listening to a fear factory song, he sings perfectly in tune on the record [ vocal equilizers] but live he fuckin sucks. if ya cant do it live, dont do it. like the deathcore bands that have their double bass going at 3000 bpm but cant mimck that speed or endurance live...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree. also, not only drums, but vocals. For example, listening to a fear factory song, he sings perfectly in tune on the record [ vocal equilizers] but live he fuckin sucks. if ya cant do it live, dont do it. like the deathcore bands that have their double bass going at 3000 bpm but cant mimck that speed or endurance live&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Noel</title>
		<link>http://www.metalsucks.net/2009/11/06/on-metal-production-2/#comment-344402</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>excuse me, ive recorded in a fucking studio and and have seen the process first hand. dont fucking assume that me or anyone else doesnt know what there talking about. IN MY OPINION, if your drummer sucks so bad he needs hours of quantinizing
[dont care how i spell it you asshole] then he should consider buying a metronome and practicing with it. quantinization combined with excessive drum triggering along with layered and spliced guitars makes bands sound bland, weak ,and thin. Also, to verify more so that i KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT, i own an alesis DM5, a drum triggering module, and DO use it for my bass in live performeance. fuck off , you little twat, and dont ASSume, or youll look like an ASS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excuse me, ive recorded in a fucking studio and and have seen the process first hand. dont fucking assume that me or anyone else doesnt know what there talking about. IN MY OPINION, if your drummer sucks so bad he needs hours of quantinizing<br />
[dont care how i spell it you asshole] then he should consider buying a metronome and practicing with it. quantinization combined with excessive drum triggering along with layered and spliced guitars makes bands sound bland, weak ,and thin. Also, to verify more so that i KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT, i own an alesis DM5, a drum triggering module, and DO use it for my bass in live performeance. fuck off , you little twat, and dont ASSume, or youll look like an ASS.</p>
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		<title>By: fasshole</title>
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		<dc:creator>fasshole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you just destroyed that nail&#039;s head.</description>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are a melodic metal band, and want some slick, thick and heavy production Jacob Hansen is the best in the business. He has produced (I think) all the Mercenary albums, and each one sounds flawless particularly 11 Dreams.</description>
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