SHRINEBUILDER & THEM CROOKED VULTURES: GREAT EXPECTATIONS, PRETTY GOOD RESULTS

Tuesday, November 24th, 2009 at 12:00pm by

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While there are more obvious statements than “supergroups more often than not fail to meet our expectations” – “fire will ruin your house” and “Guns N’ Roses have gone through numerous line-up changes” are tied with it – there aren’t many. And yet, with the announcement of a formation of one, excitement is usually the first emotion called upon. And while saying that supergroup prospects should immediately be met with caution is like saying a new car should be approached with the attitude that you will most likely wrap it around a tree, the failure/success ratio is sadly stacked toward the former. However, this usually isn’t the fault of the uber-collective, but our own gargantuan expectations assuming that this new band featuring members of other bands we like will be as good as all the involved bandmembers main projects COMBINED. And while there have been some out and out failures as of late (cough Greymachine cough), the other two most notable supergroups that reared their heads this year – scraggly doom metal gathering of titans Shrinebuilder and semi-unkempt gathering of some dudes from your uncle’s favorite bands Them Crooked Vultures – have gotten an unfair rap in the wake of their respective debuts’ releases. While to say the bands’ detractors dislike their albums because they don’t rival Neurosis, Sleep, the Melvins, Nirvana, Queens of the Stone Age, or Led fucking Zeppelin is unfairly ignoring their actual grievances, to write off either Shrinebuilder or Them Crooked Vultures would be a damn shame, in that, while not reinventing any sort of wheel, in a year where the biggest supergroup commercially was Chickenfoot, a solid doom metal album and a solid stoner rock album are two pretty significant things to dismiss.

The most noticeable and admirable strong point about both bands is their chemistry. This is usually the lacking element in a supergoup, as like with some of the more recent non-pennant-winning Yankees rosters, one can’t throw a bunch of notable dudes together and expect them to be effective. The best ones – from Cream on up – are players that work well with one another, fostering an actual collaborative relationship unique from their noteworthy bands. A supergroup should be able to exist on its own merits, and both Shrinebuilder and Them Crooked Vultures do so. If anything, one should admire the pointed sense of purpose here: both bands clearly exist because of a spark between their respective members, and are making music not so much for the purposes of another paycheck in a nasty industry environment (well, not SIMPLY because of that, perhaps) but because they’re genuinely interested in making music in a different context than what they’re used to.

Of course, does this spark and effort yield worthwhile music? For the most part, yes. Though impossibly high expectations are, as stated above, a silly thing to deride a band for, they’re hard to avoid when hearing about the lineup of Shrinebuilder. Boner-worthy to the majority of people who’ve ever had long hair, Shrinebuilder’s gathering of Sleep/Om’s Al Cisneros, sludgy-era Nirvana/Melvins’ Dale Crover, Neurosis’ Scott Kelly, and 1/5 of doom metal’s Scott “Wino” Weinrich had even this writer expecting an epic doom masterpiece that would rival Sabbath Bloody Sabbath. Of course, it’s not that. It’s admittedly not even close. But what came up in its place is a damn fine stoner doom album from front to back. Brilliant riffs abound, and hearing the bandmembers’ eccentricities — Wino’s marijuana-haze leads and Ozzy-like vocals, Kelly’s droning chords and charred croon and bark, Cisneros’ masterful riff-cradling basslines, and Crover’s merciless bashing of the china cymbal – gel together in a new context doesn’t yield the image of four limos pulling up to a studio, but instead four like-minded guys passing a bowl around and gushing about trad metal. And the songs aren’t that bad either: the epic, classic doom riffing of “Solar Benediction,” the Neurosis-minus-the-despair unfurling of “Pyramid of the Moon,” and the inspired jamming that closes out “The Science of Anger” are all worthwhile jaunts. Though the album is a disappointment at first (what with it not CHANGING THE FACE OF METAL AS WE KNOW IT and all), it stays with you. Fans of the four (plus) bands of origin won’t have blown minds at the end of the album, but its results certainly aren’t boring. In fact, the results are quite interesting and enjoyable. What more do you want?

Oh, right. All that other stuff. Them Crooked Vultures don’t necessarily live up to those expectations either, but theirs is arguably a steeper hill to climb. Queens of the Stone Age/Kyuss guitarist Josh Homme and Foo Fighters/money-era Nirvana drummer Dave Grohl last collaborated on tape for Songs for the Deaf, the last excellent QOTSA album, and John Paul Jones has been (relatively) reclusive since Zeppelin’s breakup (also present: Alain Johannes). So even though the band emerged for the first time earlier this year (though they’ve been floating around since 2005 via rumor), one couldn’t be faulted for expecting Homme’s return to excellent songwriting with what could be one of the most amazing rhythm sections possible in rock right now. And, the thing is, so long as you’re somewhat realistic about the results, the band, to some extent, delivers. It’s easily the best thing Homme’s done since Songs for the Deaf, and the band sounds remarkably loose and spontaneous despite its rock-gods-in-a-band-together pedigree.

Like Shrinebuilder, the most interesting aspect of their debut is hearing the players’ personalities in a new context and working off eachother. While this is definitely Homme’s show, it’s interesting to hear how much some of his riffs (most likely guided by John Paul Jones, of course) and Grohl’s drumming (in full-on Bonham mode… uh, moreso) sound reminiscent of primo Zeppelin; if “No One Loves Me & Neither Do I” couldn’t have shown up onside one of Physical Graffiti or Presence, I’ll eat my goddamn hat. But the renewed sense of energy does Homme good, and with Grohl’s massive stickwork and Jones’ subtle-but-solid bass playing – both a joy to hear whenever they turn up – make Them Crooked Vultures much less of a letdown than you’d think. Though the record’s final third – from “Interlude with Ludes” (up there with “Smells Like Kevin Bacon” in the Dumbest Fucking Song Titles Ever contest) forward – goes a little too off the deep end for its own good, the band is a joy to hear, and with Foo Fighters on hiatus, Led Zeppelin apparently done reuniting so Robert Plant can make Grammy-winning bluegrass albums, and Queens of the Stone Age putting out so-so album after so-so album, it’ll be interesting to hear the band grow and flourish.

The problem with both albums, though, is the lack of an “essential” quality. Both Shrinebuilder and Them Crooked Vultures lie in the valley between “pretty good” and “really good,” but don’t feel like they HAD to be made. And from a group of guys that made Times of Grace, Dopesmoker, Nevermind, and Led Zeppelin II, high expectations be damned, one wouldn’t be out of line to maybe expect a little more. However, it’s definitely nice they were made, and there’s no indication that either band won’t make an essential album. Both Shrinebuilder and Them Crooked Vultures show great promise. And if you disagree, it’s not like any of these guys quit their main gigs to do so. Don’t believe the backlash and disappointment: it certainly could have been worse. It could have been Damnocracy, or worse, Audioslave.

Both albums:

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(3 1/2 out of 5 horns)

-SO

  • msv81

    I have yet to check either one of these out, but based on your somewhat positive review, I think I’ll do so soon.

  • kayn83

    I never quite understood why everyone else at MS hated TCV but at least O’Hagar agrees with me. I think its a fair review and its a pretty decent album overall. Although I will contend that I still liked Lullabies to Paralyze and Era Vulgaris (although Self-Titled, Rated R and Songs for the Deaf were definitely better records.)

  • http://seasofdreck.wordpress.com aaron m.

    yeah, i know shrinebuilder really didn’t live up to the hype, but when there’s that much expectation surrounding an album, it’s literally impossible. and even though i liked it, i can admit there were some weaknesses about the record. it’s definitely not the life-changing experience i wanted it to be but it was a good record. not great, but pretty solid all around.

  • http://www.roxwel.com Pick-Axe Bobby

    Thank you for a very fair review of both of these.

  • cosk!

    wow, that was a very solid and even handed review put into a realistic context.
    Ive heard the “them crooked vultures” and hope to get “shrinebuilder” soon and I
    must agree with you. While not mindblowing, they are nothing to bitch about.
    good review.

    • stu1

      Agreed

  • You Don’t Know Me

    What I’ve heard from Shrinebuilder is pretty good and I’ll probably end up picking that up.

    Them Crooked Vultures, on the other hand, I thought were pretty disappointing. To me the album sounds like Queens of the Stone Age b-sides or something. I like Queens of the Stone Age but the album just doesn’t click with me.

    I think that last paragraph of the review sums up both albums very well.

  • Sophus

    Man, I have not seen a single positive thing said about Greymachine. I thought Disconnected was really good! Certainly, as is talked about in this review, less than the sum of its parts, but still good.

    • gnarlk

      i actually rather liked it as well. it was an ugly, hideous mess, but that was what they were going for. i think the media types were expecting a sequel to “streetcleaner” or whatever, but even justin b. said that it would piss a bunch of people off.
      i also think that jodis is a good example of a supergroup that worked well this year…

  • Deaner

    I still listen to Audioslave’s self-titled album. They should have stopped after that one though.

    • Lybrium

      no doubt.

  • meow

    I enjoyed both of these albums.

  • http://www.metalsucks.net/category/scraping-genius-off-the-wheel/ Gary Suarez

    I, for one, am sickened by your reasoned, even-handed review of these albums.

    • http://www.metalsucks.net/ Sammy O’Hagar

      …it’s on.

  • http://www.last.fm/user/groverXIII groverXIII

    Both albums are quite good. I really liked Them Crooked Vultures, and it is pretty much exactly what I expected.

  • David

    …or worse, like Damn Yankees (am I the only old fogey here?). I think the strongest selling point is going to be how these guys perform, or ‘gel’, live. JPJ is a phenomenal live musician, his bass sound is staggering. With a little seasoning, TCV should be an awesome show. Same with Shrinebuilder: that’s one gig I gotta see.

  • The Ghost of D. Boon

    Wait, people aren’t liking the Shrinebuilder record? Um, fuck those guys.

    OK so I can certainly see how people could be let down by it, but strip away the completely disproportionate hype and judge it on it’s own merits and to me it’s actually one of the best records all year. Perversely, I feel that if this record was made by four anonymous musicians (i.e; a “normal” band), it would be getting much better reviews.

    Sammy, you are the best writer on this site. Keep it coming.

  • Captain Wookie

    i have not listened to Them Crooked Vultures release yet so i really cannot comment on it. Shrinebuilder on the other hand quite excellent and is probably one of the best this year. Nothing that either of these two groups release will live up to expectations simply because they are that high, but we aren’t talking about another Sleep/Om, Nirvana, Melvins, Neurosis, Led Zepplin, QotSA, or any of the bands Wino’s been in record. Shrinebuilder builds off the various characteristics and abilities of the different members into something different from their respective projects and yet similar to them at the same time. I definitely think this is one of the fairest reviews I’ve read about Shrinebuilder.

  • klinger

    i thought the shrinebuilder album was fucking incredible

  • loose nut

    what the fuck is up with you? you mock the fantastic greymachine album but give 3.5 horns to shrinebuilder boredoom?
    GREYMACHINE > *

    • justin

      agreed. greymachine is far and away better and more interesting than either shrinebuilder or tcv. i definitely *wanted* to like both shrinebuilder and them crooked vultures, but both albums are kind of boring to me. they both sound like none of the members really spent any time crafting their bands–that they instead just jerked off the first things that came to mind, wrapped ‘em up, and called ‘em “albums.” i don’t necessarily dislike either band, but both had/have the potential to be much, much better.

      • loose nut

        when i first read about shrinebuilder, i was expecting a huge fucking “inneurosis/anything wino”-bastard but instead i got a half-decent OM song and some fillers. :(
        greymachine is awesome, though. swans worship is always good.

  • I killed a Dunky

    I still hate the term “SuperGroup”, I would say a band formed by well known musicians in the industry, its larger but I think that when u call a band like that u are creating too much expectations out of it and we all know what happened with bands like Circus Diablo, Velvet Revolver, Army of Anyone and so on. Im not interested in buying this records until they more consistancy in their music, I also would like to say that the review was really Good.. Peace

  • Knife+Throat

    I read all of this sites reviews from numerous reviewers yet no one here actually talks about invidual songs conveying the entire album…How they are structured, musical theory or even production creativity. Instead I get refrences to members of the bands, bands they can be compared with or how the album actually compares to how it is being marketed. Write some real reviews with great insight rather than just some assumptions. I’ll even take strong opinions vs. reading something where only three songs from the album are mentioned.

  • Iron Tusk

    I wanted so much more from Them Crooked Vultures.

  • Marcel

    I thought that the second half of the Them Crooked Vultures sounded a lot like Masters of Reality, even the vocals.
    The end riff of the first song is heavy as fuck. One of my absolute favorites of the past few years.

  • Lou

    I’m sorry fucker (Sammy O’Hagar) but greymachine kicked ass.

  • jay

    Listen here y’all.
    This review is not on the money in my opinion.
    It is written to serve both sides and to group Them Crooked Vultures with any other band is disrespectful and unappreciated by true TCV fans.
    Have you ever heard an album that u first only maybe just liked, then after a few runs it grows on you and you realise you were the dickhead for ever doubting the greatness of something quite amazing, transedant and inspirational. Tool is like that. for fans of Tool. It grows on you and grows on you and you literally get addicted to it.
    The review on the other “supergroup” may have served it well. I dont know. I havent heard it.
    What I do know is that the first time I heard TCV’s album I admit it didnt grab me.
    Then my mate played it over a few times in the car while we went on a week adventure.
    It must have been after the first maybe 5 -10 listens I new it had something, so I kept listening. After 10 – 20 listens to the album thru in its entirity I can say it is at the moment, (and I reserve the right to change my opinion) The Best Album Of All Time.

    Trust me wonderers or even doubters or self-appointed judges of TCV, this album is an artistic sonic masterpiece in the history of rock, and DOES break new ground in rock evolution. This aint a CHEESY supergroup you shmucks. This is 3 really hot musos, who really dig each others company, who want to make some fuckin really hot cookin tunes and vibes. You can hear it in the albums integrity, heart, dirtiness and lyrics. Its fucken amazing. Mindboggling. Great Strong stompin rythm and groove, and I can say it has (and I never thought Id say this) surpassed even Songs For The Deaf, whilst I formerly would have classed that up with nevermind as two of the greatest rock albums of all time. If Yous think Im talkin smack or lost the plot, TRUST ME, keep listening to it from every aspect and slowly the vibe will reach you and educate you. Its fuckin amazing. This album has all Of the Led Zep. Nirvana, QOTSA tricks, magic and moves… but with much more sleazy stoner rock integrity and undertone. It has it all. Daves parts are sick, JPJ’s parts are absolutely fantastic and musical and need i speak for the amazing demigod artist that is Joshua Homme?
    Who cares if it is LABELED a “supergroup”? Thats part of the fun in the whole dynamic, otherwise why the fuck would u get interested. If any you or us musos were in their shoes we’d all luv to be doin what their doin so shut Th F”** up with all your saying “them Crooked Vultures was a letdown” or “just alright” when u havent listened to it enough or spent time with it enough or let it absorb yet or dont deserve it or whatever… I can vouch for the fact that it rocked my world and without sounding up myself i’ll just say that i’m not just a dabbling muso. I’m a full time artist and muso and have studied the drumparts, basslines, guitar parts, lyrics, vocals melodies etc. I have not wanted to research an album for years like this. Ive been so absorbed in my own originality, but after this album moved me so much I had to study the parts and its so original and amazing. Ive been absorbed in music for around 20 years and been doing it proffesionally for 10 or so and find reviews like this so distasteful and negative. I find them so disrespectful to the artist who has made this great piece of music.
    Also, the review said that Interludes with Ludes didnt cut it. Its a bloody excellent song. Experimental and super out there. Time and place fool.. This Song Believe It Or Not In your little judgemental mind DOES SERVE A PURPOSE and IS VALUED.
    IF THIS BAND DIDNT EXIST I WOULDVE MISSED OUT ON AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE I WAS ACHING FOR SINCE SONGS FOR THE DEAF AND BEFORE THAT OTHER PHASES. I HADNT HAD A GREAT MUSIC INSPIRATION PHASE LIKE THIS FOR AGES.
    THIS RECORD HAD TO BE MADE YOU FOOL.
    If anyone disagrees with me, listen to the album another 5 to ten times PROPERLY over the next two weeks, let it absorb a little… then submit your reply to my long-winded comment.
    If you realise then after that time that what I’m sayings true, then please take my side and stick up for this PRICELESS PHENOMENON cause they shouldnt be gettin dissed.
    If u metalheads want crazy arse double kick chops, this records probably not for you. If U rockers out there want another straight-time foo-fighters/nirvana record its prolly not for u either.
    It is what it is and its great.
    Dont have any expectations of it and it’ll serve you well I promise.

    By the way, If you gonna say I just sound like another crazed die-hard fan, your wrong.. I love heeps of different musical genres including metal, funk, pop, but especially rock! I listen to heeps of different stuff but at the moment I really am loving TCV. It really hits the spot for me. It took a while, its a wierd thing, but yeah… eventually I was hooked and now absolutely love it.

    Then Crooked Vultures Self Titled Album review by Jay : 10 / 10 , 5 / 5, whatever, fullmarks. I wouldve listened to it well over a hundred times now and still Im not sick of it AT ALL, actually I still wanna keep listening to it heeps, its STILL growing on me and Im still hearing new things and getting different vibes off it I hadnt heard the previous listen. ONLY REALLY SPECIAL ALBUMS HAVE THAT IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.

    If u dont feel it yet guys, trust me , stick with it, you will get it soon, it takes a bit.

    If u havent heard or got it yet, Buy It and flog it. Its worth the effort.

    LONG LIVE THEM CROOKED VULTURES!

    Thankyou for existing.

    If Your Reading this JOSH, DAVE OR JOHN, I LOVE YOU, IVE SEEN YOU LIVE AND I FEEL YOU. KEEP GOING AND STUFF THE MIXED REVIEWS… not that you need to hear my humble opinion… YOU ARE THE MEN. YOU HAVE INSPIRED ME SO MUCH IN ROCK. THANKYOU. THANKYOU. THANKYOU.

    One more time y’all.

    LONG LIVE THEM CROOKED VULTURES.

    Got The point?

    Good.

    Nuf sed.

    Peace.