THE AUSTERITY PROGRAM’S JUSTIN FOLEY RESPONDS TO THAT “ELOQUENT” VILLAGE VOICE WRITER

Wednesday, December 2nd, 2009 at 4:30pm by

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From time to time in the past we’ve exchanged e-mails with The Austerity Program‘s Justin Foley, and the dude’s e-mails were so goddamn funny (not to mention smart) that we finally asked him to write for us. Hopefully Justin’s contributions to MetalSucks will become a regular, or at least semi-regular, occurrence. Enjoy!

MORE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT BAD VILLAGE VOICE THING. I KNOW, IT’S BEST TO IGNORE THESE THINGS BUT I JUST CAN’T THIS TIME.

“O Confusion! Cruel mistress – thou who would lead thine servants to slaughter like a lamb also gets led (Ed – to slaughter). Cruel! Innocent lambs, gently editing metal blogs, knowing not of your unkind plans nor the wicked scroll of fate.” Henry VI, Act 4

Like many of you jokers, I was struck with a growing sadness as I read the nonsense that that nice Wingerschmidt boy posted the other day. Sadness because it really missed the main point about the Voice’s article –a refreshingly pure distillation of concentrated bullshit. Fortunately, I didn’t miss it and neither did many of those who commented. But just in case there’s any doubt, let me tell you why that Voice writer has it so, so wrong.

First thing’s first: the article’s awfulness was not necessarily due to how terribly it was written. But the writing was TERRIBLE. I haven’t read the whole article start to finish in one sitting because I don’t think I can. I just get stuck in these unending sentences that can’t make a point but keep offering up Level 2 SAT words as burnt offerings. Holy crap:

“Grounding deceptively ecstatic music in a film larded with Americana pablum but hailed repeatedly as culturally significant is not only indicative of the fatal atrophy of “popular imagination,” it also shows consumers’ unwillingness to accept the authentic, reaching for the numbing reality of the familiar, over and over again”

The guy wrote this for real. Maybe this is one of those meta-jokes where he is murdering prose to make some ironic statement against what he’s saying. It’s almost gotta be; he’s complaining that music is convoluted and insincere by using language that’s convoluted and insincere. But really… I just think the guy’s a crappy writer. And there’s a bigger problem with the point I think he’s trying to make.

(I freely admit that I’m not succinct, but I look like James M. Cain compared to this fellow. Did the Voice get rid of copy editors with Christgau and UniWatch? I liked UniWatch.)

This clown seems to say that these bands make fake metal because they don’t connect emotionally. Who does? Why, bands that sing about things like folklore, swords and sorcery of course. Bands like Slough Feg – I’ve got a record of theirs that’s a concept album about miner space dogs from a late 70s sci-fi role-playing game. An entire record about this, made by human adults. Really.

And then there’s all the stuff about Trans Am. I also have that record Surrender to the Night, and it sucks. I saw them play once and knew things didn’t look good when the bassist hit the stage with shiny silver pants, a goofy haircut intended to be noticed and big sunglasses. Their irony-soaked garbage was the first of many, many staring-at-themselves-smirking-in-the-mirror bands I’ve had to endure and part of me will always blame them for all of it.

See, the author of this wretched piece wants to dismiss music he does not understand as being ‘fake.’ He expects and values vapid irony (Trans Am), cliché (Slough Feg) or stasis (AC/DC). When these expectations aren’t met, he gives a wholesale dismissal – it’s all “overthought” and lacking emotional connection.

Of course he’s wrong. The genuine enthusiasm that people have for each of the bands that he pulls off his “Metal To Be Reviewed” pile means – what – in his world? I’ve seen all of these bands play (with the exception for Explosions in the Sky) and each of them leaped into the performance, creating moments of lasting intensity for the band and the people there to see them. It’s a reward far different than you get from suffering through a band’s “lack of emotional investment.” We’re supposed to prefer Trans Am over that? What?

All this smells like the wordy complaints of someone who doesn’t like to be challenged by his music. This is exactly the opposite of what I like. The most compelling records for me that fall into the “metal”category are things that sparked extreme emotion when I first heard them: they made me laugh in amazement/wonder, they scared the shit out of me, they genuinely jarred my sense of reality. I will gladly pass on the next hundred sorcerer metal records just to hear something that blows me away like the verse riff in Torche’s “Gernades” or the final two minutes of “Hym” by Isis. I could not care less that none of these meets anyone’s definition of real, actual, honest, exactly-what-I-was-expecting “Metal.” In fact, I actually probably prefer it – I was confronted with music that confounded my expectations.

All of which brings us to the dumbest part of this scree – his total confusion by Pelican. “Trans Am could do more in 3 and a half minutes than these guys have done in 5 records.” Please. I’ll be honest – I’m friends with Pelican and consider that band to be fellow travelers. I have seen them play to a nearly empty room, be genuinely friendly to psychotically enthusiastic fans at the merch table, act generous with their money and time on the road and, most importantly, pour themselves – absolutely – into the music they’re making. No one who has watched Pelican play a show when they are on (figuring that they have a bad night every now and then) can doubt their sincerity. To giddily watch their dedication and involvement and then see it mistaken for (let me go pull another lousy quote) “feigning the emotion” is, frankly, perverse. When it’s written by someone who says that shiny pants and wolf warriors from another dimension are the real deal, well …

You want to throw big words around because you don’t like a couple of bands? Whatever; everyone has an opinion. Go love a crappy Trans Am record; it’s your $15. But don’t think you’re right calling into question the motivation or intelligence of bands making music that doesn’t click with your worthless idea of “true” metal. Some folks want to do more than rehash Iron Maiden covers when they plug into big amps. If this means they have to suffer being the target of this sorry, empty whining it’s too bad but I’ll bet they can handle it. The rewards of passionately making lasting music of value are surely worth it.

(Re: the comments – Can everyone just all agree right now to stop using the term “hipster”? After a half-decade of overuse it now officially means absolutely nothing. Only slightly behind that is the entire world hating Williamsburg, probably because they all want to live there. Please, I beg all of you to be at least a tiny bit creative in your hate of something. Make fun of someone’s pants, like I did.) (Twice.)

-JF

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  • PatrickSTL

    Nicely written. And yes, bottomline is people are free to dislike any record that they do, but when someone makes statements questioning an artists passion and/or emotions is ridiculous. You have NO IDEA what is going through anyones head but your own.

  • http://www.thepathlesstraveledrecords.com Sean

    Very well said and I couldn’t agree more.

  • http://www.thelefthandpath.com VOEGTLIN

    Cheers, Justin!

    • !?!

      You just suck.

  • 36thoughtless

    Indeed, Mr. Foley, indeed…

  • jackattack

    This was wonderful, Justin. I’m going to listen to your band now because you deserve new fans for this well constructed argument. And… in response to the hate rant… isn’t hating something inherently uncreative? Hate is often an immature reaction to something you either don’t understand or feel superior to. Granted, I feel fully justified in hating Yankees and Ohio State fans, but I will never lie and say it’s not immature. Backing up your dislike/hate for something is usually necessary, but asking for creativity in it seems a little short sighted.

  • Biff Tannen

    Slough Feg’s “Traveller” is a great fucking album. Lyrical content in metal is often hit or miss. I personally have no emotional investment in the space dog they sing about. So they decided not to sing about satan/swords/turbo loving/lord of the rings etc, and sing about an old game that he (Mike Scalzi) used to play… big fucking deal ! The music on that album is absolutely killer. Total metal, total class.

    • Justin Foley

      You know, you’re probably right. I am actually glad that LWSF is out there, following an instinct so odd that I can’t help but appreciate it. I have a problem with someone claiming that this is how stuff always has to be, but that’s not the band’s fault. And I certainly make no presumption that they’re anything less than committed to their bizarre vision. So, I take back calling them a cliche, but I do still think that this concept album is goofy. Kind of awesome, but goofy.

      • Strapping Young Lad

        Justin, damn dude… good stuff. btw, i love Slough Feg, and couldn’t agree with you more hahah. You have a way with words, my friend.

      • Biff Tannen

        I’d say that more often than not, Slough Feg stays away from cliches. Take “traveller” again as an example….the obviously don’t give a flying fuck about what is acceptable ‘metal lyrics’ and do their own thing, detracters be damned. Those lyrics are an inpenetrable sheild against criticism railed at so many bands, ie; “Sellout” “Pandering to the masses” “dumbing down” etc, etc.

        The newest album “Ape Uprising!” also has quite the unique lyrical tale of apes overthrowing humons !

  • Ian

    Bravo good sir, bravo.

  • du8

    first off I pretty much agree with most of what this article says…

    BUT…

    I think Slough Feg is a great band…I can see why people would think they were “retro metal hero worship”…but I think they do what they do with a lot of honesty and integrity….I own all their albums and I’ve seen them several times…they are always really fun….

    just my opinion…

  • armslength

    “he’s complaing that music is convoluted and insincere by using language that’s convoluted and insincere” – this keen observation gave me a good chuckle. Well done! Look forward to more.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremy-Luckett/1384577212 Jeremy Luckett

    You have a new fan here for that well written piece, sir.

  • Brian \m/(-_-)\m/

    win. please keep writing here

  • http://raiseyerfists.wordpress.com raiseyerfists

    Hah! Good stuff! I’ve never heard your band but I like your writing already.

  • I’m not racist, but I hate Oceano

    THATS NOT MICKEY MOUSE THAT’S TIT DIRT

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brandon-Fountain/1391790047 Brandon Fountain

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      • Justin Foley

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  • Dan-O

    Well done! I enjoyed reading it. Now I’m off to listen to the Austerity Program!

  • orbital

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  • aud10ph1le44

    Justin Foley.My instru-metal hero. Haha.

  • Loves2spooge

    It’s about time people start calling this doucher(Stewart) out on his bullshit. I applaud you sir!

  • http://www.roxwel.com Pick-Axe Bobby

    An absolutely excellent and well thought-out response.

  • Edfvedft

    This isn’t Killswitch Engage drummer Justin Foley!!!!!!!!

    • Justin Foley

      I will ask Vince/Axl to tag all future things I write with Killswitch Engage.

    • rachel

      Haha I had the same thought. Justin, like you haven’t heard the “Hey, where’s Howard?” jokes or anything dumb like that before. That must drive you crazy.

      • Justin Foley

        This has actually never happened. But I’ll bet more than one funny guy has shown up at one of their shows and yelled out “Play ‘No One Is to Blame’”.

  • mr lun

    well said. except that i would never want to live in williamsburg unless i lived right above taco chulo. L train sucks.

  • Jacob

    Thank god someone else feels the same way about ‘hipster’. If someone asked someone else what a hipster was (because if they’d ask me I’d just say “a douche, and so is whoever called them a hipster”), there are about 10 different ‘definitions’ that could be given. It’s fucking annoying as shit.

    • tomaas

      I also agree that the word “hipster” should be retired. I want to hurl whenever I hear it. It’s funny how Stu V’s article seemed to champion “authentic communication” yet the very use of words like “triumphalism” whine “i’m a hipster! You have no choice – bow to me!”

      That’s where his credibility gets undercut. How can you expect any half-intelligent reader to play the game of “follow the big word”? We all see what he’s preoccupied with. And I don’t see how that’s in any way “authentic”. Authentic, in his case, would read more like: “I am sorry everyone but I seem relentlessly addicted to cramming dozens of hearty neologisms into a sentence because I get so fucking jacked on how powerful it makes me feel”.

      It’s funny, but his point – that we basically all go numb from repetition – can be felt by a thorough reading of his article. Was this his intention? Is he a genius? Am I not getting it? Or did he not realize he projected all the deeply intellectualized reasons he hates his mental cycles and/or, perhaps, failed creative attempts onto bands laudably not sacred enough to be left from the critical pyre?

      And, lastly, I loved how he breathed the phrase “self-mockery” into that article. Like, is anyone else not seeing this? Is this dude not what Chomsky called Lacan – a “perfectly self-conscious charlatan?”

      • Double D

        I read the paragraphs of your post in this order: 1, 4, 3, 2.

        • tomaas

          Hahaha – I’d just come back from MMA training when I wrote that one.

  • Shep

    Good stuff! Although I don’t really know slough feg, trans am or pelican very well so I’m not sure how valid either sides points are…

  • KB

    I completely agree. I especially like the point about rehashing covers of bands. We love bands like Maiden. We love their sound, song content and they invoke a feeling of passion of being a kid listening to a metal record for the first time. To have new bands come out and be replicas of their idols don’t do the music justice when they could truly create new areas in music where the bands in question above have gone. I think it’s just as bad to have a band cover one of the greats and then use it as means to appeal to new fans. I hate it when kids come to me and suggest bands to me based on covers. It’s quite rare to see a band make that song their own in the music business these days because of the whole “deluxe” package thing going on. It seems for every one unique cover song I hear five poorly emulated covers thrown on to fill space. I guess the point I’m making is that old tunes are great; we love them and a decent cover is warranted to remind us of that. We do however really need to put more value creativity.

  • Sin and Death

    Where’s Eyal when we need him?

  • Tim

    To Stewart: Write “to serve people rather than to impress them.” -F.L. Lucas

  • Chimp-0-Neg

    Thank YOU. It’s about commitment to the journey, not fucking ye metal of yore. Not sure if that made sense but whatever.

  • Michiel

    Great article, Mr. Foley! Also, Explosions in the Sky are an amazing experience live! I highly recommend seeing them, even if you don’t like their albums. Thought most of their songs are calm, the energy that comes from stage is close to overwhelming.

  • http://www.last.fm/user/opeth027/ Kyle

    Nicely done, Sir Foley!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Keith-Brown/537636633 Keith Brown

    *applause*

  • Meltzer’s Ghost

    You guys get so hung up on the fact ya can’t equate this guy’s writ to a tweet that you put your collective dick in his ass instead of the argument.

    Ramblin on about Slough Feg, Trans Am, AC/DC etc aint the point. Those are straw men for tha glee club.

    In Knuckle Dragger: Logical falacies. Dumb & Dumber: Misconceptions from incorrect reasonin.

    Meltzer Jr cant write his way outta the Aldi sack, but he’s not saying LWSF and Gates of Slumber are the shit. He is sayin they craft clear aesthetic statements. And he claims these other bands: Pelican, Mastodon, Torche, etc don’t.

    Just because JUSTIN FOLEY has seen Pelican play to no one and get way the hell off on it, doesn’t give him any more credibility than this fuck Vogtlin.

    The assumption is so thick here it may as well be a hi-res pic of Mariah Carey’s ass.

    Just because you’re on the Internet doesn’t mean ya have to be so stoopid.

    • Justin Foley

      Which logical fallacy do you think I’ve committed?

      In fact, he IS saying those bands are the shit BECAUSE they craft clear aesthetic statements. And I’m saying that this clarity comes from adherence to the author’s preconceived ideas. When someone presents him with a statement that doesn’t exhibit that type of clarity, he can’t handle it and says it’s all horrible. I present evidence of a different type of compelling aesthetic statement: seeing the bands he accuses of being false put on fantastic shows and knowing first hand that the band he rips on for being the worst is none of the things he accuses them of.

      No one’s being stupid here. But what’s with all of the stuff in your post about butts?

    • Voyage to the Stars

      OH ill fuckin equate his writ to a tweet if it takes all damn day mother fucker.

  • SolaceInNothing

    Hails to you Justine! Brilliant, poetic, and oh so poignant!

  • SeanN

    Silly haircuts? Like those worn by just about everyone at indie/underground metal shows here in Chicago? haha

  • foobear

    The lesson here, kiddies and kiddos (I think), is that “My metal is more metal than your metal,” pissing matches are just fucking stupid.

    • Biff Tannen

      I bet I can metal piss farther than you, with an only half full bladder.

  • tomaas

    I got as tired reading Stu V’s article as I did trying to pronounce his last name. “Voegtlin” – obviously not phoenetic.

    The thing I noticed repeatedly is how well Stu’s sentences rolled off into pure, sometimes explosive, lust for bombastic language. As a reader trying to follow the dude’s point through half those passages is like trying to do calisthenics while breathing to the rhythm of seizure. An example: “A bizarre triangulation of that divide—a shameless glitz-and-tits approach to faux-anthemic blockbuster melodrama masquerading as elite-approved Art for Art’s Sake …”

    I’d maybe see some of his points and be inclined to agree here and there if I didn’t dislike him so much for his tumescent wordplay. Some of those sentences swelled through my computer screen and crushed my chest. I had to breathe and grab some pizza at times, like I was hitting “pause”.

  • http://www.thelefthandpath.com Stewart Voegtlin

    It’s pronounced VERK-LINN. But the Krauts tell me it’s Vert-lyn.

    I don’t see the difference but then they laugh at me and then we all drink and it’s cool.

    Who’s cutting the cards this round? More chips?

    • Nick

      There’s little reward in puzzling out such meandering writing structure—a trope utilized by some and practically weaponized by Stewart Voegtlin. I would love some more chips. Thanks!

      • tomaas

        You’re right, and what reward is actually to be had in doing so also seems very little.

  • Polska

    Awesome.
    And he didn’t eve have to resort to using 9 syllable words just to make himself feel smarter than us.
    Awesome.

  • bob

    this would have been a good response piece if you didn’t bash the mighty Slough Feg, you dumb fucking ass. Get better taste in music. I love Isis, Explosions In The Sky, Pelican, Torche, etc, but none of these bands have any balls, nor riffs that Slough Feg has.

  • coked up

    Justin, what does “stasis” mean? You fucking elitist douche. Is that an SAT word, 2?

    • Justin Foley

      Stasis probably is an SAT word. It seemed appropriate. Rather than look it up, you can just listen to “Back in Black” and then listen to “Black Ice”. 28 years between those records.

      • Voyage to the Stars

        DO I SMELL SMOKE

        • Strapping Young Lad

          hahahahahahha bob feels stupid.

          • Strapping Young Lad

            wow, wrong comment. Bob, i love Slough Feg… i just misread the comments. rock on dude. i ment coked up feels stupid. Bob, keep rockin!

      • tomaas

        Stasis is common enough. Calling it a SAT word is a cherry picker argument. Waste of breath. Lame. Fuck.

  • LORD WEIRD

    Space Dogs > Gang raping some dude b/c you don’t like his opinon.

    • tomaas

      “Don’t like his opinion”? Dude, it ain’t a matter of taste. His opinion is highly invalid. Duk duk duh!

  • Justin Foley

    Also – a number of folks have taken the time to say that you like this (and some took time to say they didn’t). Anyway, thanks for the comments. It would be weird to respond to each one but I appreciate the encouragement.

    • du8

      for what it’s worth…I’ll be checking out your band because of this article…

    • tomaas

      I did, and I like.

      And please keep filing complaints when necessary. It’s relieving to have voices responding to swollen, baggage handling bloggers/reporters. Maybe they’ll discover they need more cry-to-the-lady time and we’ll all be more chill in the future.

  • pfk505

    what bob said

  • Alex_P

    I sorta like Trans Am, but otherwise agree. I rejected this guy outright, because he’s stating personal opinion as if it’s a fact. Please. If you aren’t writing a research paper, don’t act like you’re saying anything worthwhile.

    Also, I’m a proud Pabst-drinking Montreal hipster, and I love my fellow hipsters. But I’m rarely ironic with my music. Music is sacred.

  • bobovdeath

    good piece,well written…

    but “The Austerity Program” as a band name,when it comes to Metal,just turns me off cuz youre just unfortunate to be in a time where lots of other bands,who happen to chug llama cum,have “The (something) (something)” as a band name

    im not dissing your band..ive never heard it..

    just saying……

    good writing though

    • Double D

      I agree. Just like that sweet Hoboken, NJ band, The Llamma Cumchuggers.

  • glug

    Let’s see…

    Mr. Right shoots fish in barrel.

    Fans of fish get mad and want to shoot Mr. Right.

    Fish fans look to other likeminded fans to put Mr. Right in barrel.

    Likeminded fan, Justin F. shoots Mr. Right in barrel.

    Fish fans rejoice.

    Coronation! I’m gonna check yr band, dood. Kewl.

  • The Ghost of D. Boon

    I’d be hard-pressed to name a band that puts more emotion into their performance than Pelican. I guess if yr one of those fans who must be “engaged” by the musician or whatever I can see where Pelican might be disillusioning but I for one am kind of in awe of just how engrossed in creating big, awesome noises those guys can be.

  • firestarter

    I’m so sickened by the contradictions and fallacies in the above post that I just threw up in my mouth a little. You mistake sincerity for emotional resonance, you diss a (once) challenging genre-blending band for their wardrobe and ‘tude as opposed to music, and you implement pretentious rhetoric throughout, proving your inane hypocrisy. For some reason you think your hate and presentation of ideas is more valid and real than the VV writer’s, but in actuality, you just come off sounding bitter and juvenile. You must be a sad man. Before you go patting yourself on the back way too much for a 10-cent rebuttal, just know that some of us have got your number……and the worst of the wannabe “hipster” bands out there? Why that’d be The Austerity Program, of course! Your music is far worse than your writing, which is pretty one-dimensional to begin with…

    • gnarlk

      pot, meet kettle…

  • spongy

    You forgot that this clown acts like his OPINION = TRUTH. Calling Voegtlin. Calling Voegtlin. Can we get a cage match between these two?

  • bobovdeath

    Where are these SAT words? Atrophy? Pablum? Larded? Ecstatic?

    Justin, if you are intimidated by vocabulary used frequently in newspapers and magazines, how do you go about life? Do you have someone to define the world around you as it unfolds?

    DOUCHE.

    • Scourge441

      What newspaper or magazine has ever used the words “triumphalism,” “milquetoast,” or “puerile?” Hell, I’ve never seen “pablum” either.

      It’s not so much his choice of words, it’s the frequency with which he uses them. Every word, sentence, and paragraph is bloated to all hell, when there’s no reason it needs to be. I was wondering if he did it on purpose to make a point about the music he was reviewing, but no: I checked his other articles and they all suffer from the same problem. This one is the most grievous offender, but the others are still pretty bad.

      • http://www.metalsucks.com Metal Sucks

        NYT, Boston Globe, Wash Post, Harper’s, NYer, Atlantic Monthly, New Republic, etc etc etc.

  • Justin Foley

    Lookit me! Ima king of duh whirld!

    • Justin Foley

      So there’s the drummer for Killswitch Engage, me and someone who posts under my name pretending they’re me because … actually, I don’t know why. Anyway, that makes three of us. So far.

      Unless this was posted by the drummer for Killswitch Engage. If that’s the case, you and I should figure out some naming scheme so that things don’t get confusing.

  • http://www.metalsucks.com Metal Sucks

    FYI: All of the above comments, i.e. ALL OF THEM, are coming from the same IP address. OURS.

  • http://atanamar.blogspot.com/ atanamar

    I posted a review of Monday night’s triumphant Pelican/Black Cobra/Disappearer concert in New York over here: http://atanamar.blogspot.com/2009/12/pelican-november-30th-highline-ballroom.html

    The Pelican fans took part in some “Live-Action Media Criticism.”

  • http://infinitybasement.wordpress.com billybob

    Someone who actually make sense.

  • Thermastrockamortimer

    “Can everyone just all agree right now to stop using the term “hipster”?

    Methinks you protest just a bit too much.

  • The Ghost of D. Boon

    Fuck yes I’m a hipster and I’m proud of it too

  • ibanez

    hipsters are hard gay no exceptions

  • WowWee!

    Damn You’s Hipsters and Yur loud robot Cars

  • http://reaper-x.deviantart.com/ Reaper-X

    Well shit…I do believe you have a point.

    Good shit.

  • Lybrium

    Cheers mate, this was needed.

  • Coby

    It seems easy to grip wannabe intellectuals with linguistic skills and what-not. As if some of these readers will respect his writing more and want to be “just like that guy” due to his grasp of grammar (assuming of course that this guy is really serious when he uses words harder to pronounce than his own name). It really just seems like a cry for attention. And of course he’s reaping the benefits of the “controversy factor.” He’s pretty much just the scum of the earth, and really doesn’t seem to know how to present himself other than by using confusion as a method of seeming austintatious.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Colin-OConnor/1491245262 Colin O’Connor

    Good article.

  • http://www.rocksellout.com Nick Bahula

    Awesome. Tell him to suck on this! http://www.rocksellout.com/home/2009/12/21/free-stuff-part-5-cool-as-ice.html

    Giving away Baroness Blue Record plus 4 others!

  • Dayv

    “Can everyone just all agree right now to stop using the term ‘hipster’?”

    Yes! A thousand times yes!