IS THE PAGAN/FOLK METAL FAD ON THE WAY OUT?

Tuesday, December 8th, 2009 at 3:00pm by

ensiferumIn early 2008, around the time of the original Paganfest USA tour, Pagan and Folk metal were all the rage. Bands from all over Europe were suddenly gaining attention in America with their blend of traditional European folk and modern metal, and by the end of that year and early 2009 there were Pagan/Folk tours aplenty. Revolver Magazine even ran a special feature highlighting the sub-genre. When the first Paganfest USA tour rolled through America there was a palpable excitement… nothing like that had ever transpired before.

Fast forward only a few months to the end of 2009 and it would seem as if the metal-loving public has had enough of Pagan Metal. As labels rushed to sign and promote Pagan and Folk Metal bands we ended up with a surplus of them, much like we did with the re-thrash trend of 2006-2008. In an effort to cash in, the metal record labels unwittingly did themselves in. The result has been that there are too many pagan metal bands, too many pagan metal records, and too many pagan metal tours. Oversaturation. I can’t even keep track of it all.

A promoter at a major nationwide concert promotion company told me recently that all his Pagan Metal shows were tanking, or at the very least not doing as well as they had been. Is that a symptom of the economy, the concert industry in general, or something related specifically to this scene? An A&R at a major metal record label told me the other day that one of the genre’s marquee acts was looking to distance themselves from the “scene” with their next album (in the interest of avoiding spculation… no, it’s not Ensiferum, who are pictured above). Has Pagan Metal crossed from a bizarre sub-culture into a true scene? Has it reached the point of oversaturation? Is Pagan Metal now on the way down?

What got me thinking about all of this was the announcement of Pagan Metal: A Documentary, which hits stores today.

Weigh in with your thoughts on the Pagan/Folk Metal scene below.

-VN

  • Jason S.

    Never got into this genre. I’d rather listen to standard folk music.

  • brandonmetal

    anyone bringing a toy sword or related prop should have said prop shoved up a certain orifice.
    it’s goofy in the first place to group certain bands together as ‘pagan.’
    i don’t see at all why korpiklanni and moonsorrow should be classified under the same subgenre.

  • jason

    I never knew it was in.

    • builtforsin

      1

    • iolanach

      lol, +2

  • http://uponwingsofblack.blogspot.com/ \m/Eluveitie\m/

    I’m packing a halberd whether it’s in vogue or not, thank you very much.

    • msv81

      Eluveitie is the only band from this genre that I love; Ensiferum is alright but their shit gets kind of old quickly.

      • http://Myspace.com/wearecarnevil AEnema175

        Eluveitie, Turisas, [both are phenomenal live btw] and occasionally Ensiferum. But other than that i found it rather boring because they all did the same thing. It was one of those fads where there wasn’t enough variety to keep it going, if they changed it up more, like the above mentioned bands, the style would be doing much better.

        • msv81

          Eluveitie are amazing live, seen them twice. They’re all really humble and down to earth, too (not that it should be unexpected of such a relatively small band, we’re not talking Megadeth here).

  • Driven9

    for fuck sake I HOPE SO

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rik-Powell/286400508 Rik Powell

    I like some “pagan metal” bands but I do find the whole thing kinda silly, the costumes are just a bit too much in my opinion. The only one of these bands which I really love is Eluveitie, Ensiferum are okay but as a Norther fan I wish Petri would have stayed with those guys instead. Equilibrium are pretty cool too. Do all the best pagan metal bands start with the letter E?

  • The Rev’Rend

    Really? Someone thought this had staying power? (Of course, one might have said that about ICP back in 97, the Herpes of yesteryear that never really goes away.)
    But seriously, someone thought this genre should be taken seriously? It’s novelty on its face, so much so that the music couldn’t possibly survive, no matter how good it is. (And I don’t have a problem with the music. But cummon. You can’t base a genre on props.)

    • Alex_P

      THANK YOU. Tell that to the fucking Slipknot defenders, while we’re at it.

  • John

    Don’t care about this genre at all

  • Kuranes

    I love the folk/metal combination, but as I was listening to Ensiferum’s “From Afar” I thought the same thing: this is starting to sound rehashed.

    The lyrics all sounded like this:

    We raise the heathen hordes
    And heave our mighty swords
    We’ll sail across the fjords
    And come home when we get bjored.

    I still think Eluveitie’s new “acoustic” album is pretty cool though, I love the Gaulish female vocals.

    • http://www.metalsucks.net Vince Neilstein

      HAHAHA, this is the funniest comment I’ve read on this site in ages. +1 Kuranes!

      • Kuranes

        Woohoo! I made the site banner!

    • Beereded

      Swedish Chef much?

    • cody

      haha, funny comment!

      I think that the genre’s 2nd wave is coming to fruition, and with that there will be a lot of “hmm, I am hearing this or that theme or idea repeated.” — That’s because Folk Metal/Pagan Metal is coming into its generic own. There are certain sounds one can expect. Still, I think the genre is evolving, especially if you look at (for example) Turisas, they are a very progressive type band with a very different sound from record to record. I think they will continue their trend of innovation over imitation with their new record, this summer.

  • http://uponwingsofblack.blogspot.com/ \m/Eluveitie\m/

    Most ridiculous metal genre is kind of a “tallest midget” scenario.

    • http://www.flamingtusk.com Zosimus

      All these bands can go screw except for Alestorm.

      • Biff Tannen

        Pirate metal..? how old are you?

  • brian roach

    Question, is there any ‘genre’ that does NOT become oversaturated! A few good bands hit upon some new twist on a formula, and labels jump all over it, magazines hype it, promoters hype it, saturation sets in, repeat ad nauseaum. It’s always been this way…

    • http://uponwingsofblack.blogspot.com/ \m/Eluveitie\m/

      Rhinocore

    • I’m not racst, but I hate Oceano

      uh ever heard of deathcore guy…

      • brian roach

        yea but other than the first few ‘good’ deathcore bands the rest of them suck, and I highly doubt that more than a handful of them sell loads of records, bring lots of people to shows, etc. I could be wrong though…

      • http://www.flamingtusk.com Zosimus

        Deathcore, yeah? PUT A DONK ON IT.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckMvj1piK58

  • Elpants

    Main culprit of terribad folk metal that got signed by a larger metal label.

    Kivimetsän Druidi

    We wanted to see the Folk/Pagan bands we already loved touring the US, not watered down fantasy folk metal that define themselves as symphonic.

    We all know once a band tries putting symphonic in their genre name, they are worth nothing.

    • Kuranes

      There are two good things about this band, and when I saw them they were barely concealed by the singer’s corset.

  • orbital

    yeah wow, I didn’t think folk metal was serious business.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Devon-Czekaj/550092101 Devon Czekaj

    Folk Metal was a genre I got really into an than out of quickly. It’s still nice to listen to on a nice spring day though.

  • Zoker

    I like Folk metal when it’s played by the mainstream bands like of Ensiferum or Equilibrium… when it comes to those bands I love it, Ensiferum is probably one of my favs… but in my experience the underground of folk is kinda shitty and you can hardly find something good.

  • http://www.411mania.com/politics Enrique

    I thought Einsiferum’s set on the last Summer Slaughter tour really stood out, but not in a good way. There’s no accounting for taste, but compared to bands like Dying Fetus, Necrophagist, Born of Osiris, etc., Einsiferum is dreadfully boring.

  • Jo

    lets fucking hope so. i hate folk music and high dislike it being forced into metal

    • cosk!

      +1 fuck folky pagen metal…

  • mike

    I assume Eluveitie is the band that wants to distance themselves from the scene with their next album.

    Despite the “fading out” of the genre, Tyr, Equilibrium, Eluveitie and Ensiferum are bands I will always enjoy.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rik-Powell/286400508 Rik Powell

      I thought that, considering how they are also saying it’s the most “metal” album they’ve ever done, but on the other hand I don’t really see how an 8 person band who just released an acoustic pagan folk album could possibly distance themselves from the scene. And nor would I want them to.

  • o0Stacey0o

    How the hell do you make a documentary about a subgenre that was over before it began? Who the hell took the time to do a fucking documentary about Dungeon’s & Dragon’score? I’m super serial…

  • Fufkin

    I don’t know if it was Jari leaving but Ensiferum have lost something since Iron and the last album just sounded… silly.
    But I think Eluveitie’s sound is great – the Dark Tranquillity influence is most welcome!

  • http://www.prosaicparadise.com/ Kim

    I hope what happens is that we keep getting metal bands with wacky instruments, things that innovate. I enjoyed 2 Paganfest tours and I enjoyed some of the bands on the Heathenfest lineup and I actually really enjoy the energy in the crowds that come to see these (mainly european) bands. I don’t care what you call it, pagan metal or folk metal or what.

  • http://www.hatespire.com Nymik

    umm folk metal fad? you guys have only had folk metal for 2 years? hahahahahahaha FAIL

    • cosk!

      youve had folk metal for more than 2 years? aww man that fuckin sucks you had to deal with the putrid pile of shit that it it for that long. awwwww dude, fail dude oh hahaha…. i dont think the fact that ive been listening to gojira and shit and missed out on fucking haggard danbooth and the pagen viking folksters family band and whoever else is what one should call a fail. because its not. its a definite win

      • Nymik

        And what folk metal have you actually heard? Cause it sounds like you’re not even sure what you’re on about.

  • Slasher

    For all of you guys talking about viking/folk metal, none of you have seemingly mentioned any bands that created this “fad” to begin with. I mean, I remember listening (and loving) the viking/folk metal scenes back in 2001, and even I was late then. Besides Bathory which is an argument all in itself on what genre they are, there have been several highly influential bands with stand-out albums, defining the viking metal genre, long before the oversaturated onslaught of the never-ending same-sounding FInnish folk metal bands. Folk and viking metal don’t necessarily sound the same anyway. Bands and albums like Enslaved’s “Vikingligr Veldi” and “Eld”, Einherjer’s “Norweigan Native Art”, Mithotyn’s “King of the Distant Forest”, Moonsorrow’s “Voimasta Ja Kunniasta”, Falkenbach’s “…Magni Blandinn Ok Megintiri…”, Thyrfing’s “Urkraft” and Windir’s “1184″.

    This is all before Ensiferum, Finntroll, Eluviete, Turisas, etc. There were, and still are some great bands in this genre. If things are going bad now it’s because no one picked up on any of this before Finntroll got big (Einherjer and Windir were the only two viking bands to play the US before, and that was each one appearance at the Milwaukee Metalfest), and now all these paganfest tours are the same, new, boring, and honestly bad viking/folk bands. These bands aren’t producing the same level of quality as they used to, or that their predecessors have. But, I also do place a lot of blame on the booking agents/tour promoters that generally have no idea what they’re doing, and are only doing these tours because the original tours did so well.

    • Biff Tannen

      uhh…Enslaved played hear long before Einherjer or Windir.

      • Biff Tannen

        **here** as in, the U.S.

      • Slasher

        yes, you’re right, besides Enslaved

  • xpurposex

    *cough* Amon Amarth *cough*

    • orbital

      Amon Amarth isn’t folk metal. Just because they sing about vikings, doesn’t make them folk, amirite?

      • cosk!

        power metal played by actual vikings

        • cody

          power metal?
          melodic death.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rik-Powell/286400508 Rik Powell

        They’re certainly not folk metal but they’re definitely pagan metal.

        • xpurposex

          Exactly, they are pagan metal and they probably hate the fucking terrible scene that blew up recently and want to distance themselves from it.

  • Deschain

    Its a shame that “pagan/folk” movement has completely overshadowed the pagan/folk black metal movement. Bands like Moonsorrow, Wodensthrone, Winterfylleth, Drudkh, Kroda, and Forest deserve more credit.

  • Biff Tannen

    This is a garbage trend…but it’s still better than deathcore, or this faux metal hipster shit that is shouted from the rooftops on this site.

  • Biff Tannen

    Its pretty funny that you guys expose this ridiculous genre, yet you gush about PIRATE METAL.

  • rachel

    Speaking of Ensiferium, their old front man started a new band called Wintersun, and they are awesome. They only have one album out, so let folk metal be “in” long enough to let them make another album. Folk metal lyrics some times are too cheesy, but pirate metal is the worst. I am surprised a pirate-core band hasn’t been started yet. I would hate to see groups like Eluveitie go under. All in all, there will always be a small number of folk metal fans, because I certainly don’t listen to it because it is in style. If I listened to waht was in style, my Ipod would have nothing but Taylor Swift and T-Pain.

    • troe

      Wintersun is fantastic, but I wouldn’t call them exactly new. The self-titled came out in 2004 I think. Nice music for a cold day.

      I went through a thing where I was really into folk metal. Some of it is indeed very goofy and fun (Korpiklaani…) but, if you dig there are probably some neat things. I’ll probably get flamed, but I really enjoy Finntroll. I have there demo (which I believe was public domain at one point), and that was very good. There was even some ambient stuff thrown in. Pretty neat.

      • troe

        Whoa, awaiting moderation? Wonder what I did.

      • troe

        *their

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harrington-Neil-Sauer/677600672 Harrington Neil Sauer

    folk/pagan metal will always be > than deathcore

  • http://runningthevoodoodown.blogspot.com pdf

    This stuff has almost always bored me, with the exception of Korpiklaani and Finntroll, who are at least funny, and Eluveitie’s acoustic album, which was genuinely beautiful. I think what puts me off it is the ultra-cheesy keyboards and the oompa-oompa rhythm that seems to underpin every single Ensiferum song. Sorry, they’re just a polka band with distorted guitars in place of accordion.

    • Slasher

      read my comment up above for good bands.

    • orbital

      good show. You tied oompa ahd folk together. Sinse the primary rythm in folk is the 3 pulse polska, then yeah, it would sound like oompa with electric guitars.

  • jonowev

    Been an extreme metal fan for a long time now but recently i’ve fancied some more ‘epic’ stuff, so i’m only just getting into it. It’s hard to seperate the good bands from all of the shit ones.

  • http://www.myspace.com/mamagoose2008 La Chupacabra

    I wasn’t aware that is was popular. And please don’t take that as a snooty remark. I just sincerely didn’t notice a short rise in number of people listening to it. I very much so enjoy the genre, but I am fully aware that it is an aquired taste. Just as the Dropkick Murphys don’t appeal to everyone in the punk genre, Finntroll won’t appeal to everyone in the metal genre. Just leave it be. If it dies out, it does it without your remarks. If it lives, then just let it alone. There are much worse genres of music out there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Keith-Brown/537636633 Keith Brown

    IMO, the only exception to the rule that “folk metal just sounds boring” is Eluveitie, and even then, it’s only because they went acoustic and did actual folk music

  • thelump

    Why do people have to get into all this exaggerated “fad” and “genre” shit?
    I just listen to watever the hell sounds good to my ears.
    The two first Ensiferum album were masterpieces, they are both on my top 5 albums of all time, but apart from that, I dont listen to much folk metal

  • Grymmbear

    As long as Primordial stays around, that’s all I care about.

  • Beereded

    Not one mention of Blackguard? Not all of these folk metal or whatever bands are from Europe, and Blackguard is awesome.

    • Natsquatch

      Those darn Canadians are one of the best live bands I’ve seen/heard in awhile.

  • AATHD

    Not really into this type of metal, Graveland owns them all anyways. That said, I respect this genre BECAUSE IT IS NOT NU/DEATH/EMO/METAL/CORE!! Or to save space shit sandwich core.

    Anyway, I saw ensiferum, and they put on a good show, but otherwise it sounds like someone took a tape of Trans Seiberian Orchestra and played it at 3X the speed.

  • Noel

    not to turn this into a seriuos matter, but this is exactly the problem with the way modern lables\consumers act. First, a trend is set by a band that is some what original, they get a following, then labels hear of it, they see the growth, sign literally hundreds of bands that are rip offs or similar sounding, and promote THE LIVING SHIT out of them, and then, as the trend falls, those bands are filled with promotion, and pop when its all said and done, like a figurative balloon. worst of all, a good amount of consumers eat this up, ar at least fall for it. “oh, metalcore, is it? oh ok!” “deathcore? cool, i looove breakdowns!” popularity waves really annoy me to hell. Yea, a trend might unveil some cool band from a part of the world im not from and bring them to a record store near me, but most of the time, the bands that jump on the band wagon are totally bland, and were only signed cuz of their similarity to the wave starter.And, in the end, ten years from now, well ALL be laughing at our as i lay dying, our suicide silence, our iwabo, just as we all laughed at our whitesnake, our poison, our motley crue, our kiss. so, bye bye “pagan metal”, see you in my bin of forgotten crap containing my big hair, nu metal track pants, and, soon to be, my sgwiglly, multi colored, metal\core\death\wigger slam\sumerian t shirts. hello, next piece of shit on the block.

    • http://uponwingsofblack.blogspot.com/ \m/Eluveitie\m/

      No one laughs at Whitesnake. NO ONE. David Coverdale and I will personally kick your ass, Mr. Useless-paragraph-of-stuff-everyone-already-knows

      • Noel

        i laugh at whitesnake. now take your hand outta your pannies. i was merely stating my opinion, mr. “I like to rip on people who say anything on this site that isnt a joke or an unrelated comment\insult.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Suslin-Gravez/8833325 Suslin Gravez

    Folk metal was something that nobody had heard so overtly before. Enslaved hadn’t exactly gone as far as smashing their audiences over the head with a mandolin, though they had lots of chord progressions taken from folk music. Folk metal appeals to all that is dorky. Power metal and black metal definitely do this. Folk metal is just dorky in a new way. People still like power metal and black metal. I don’t think Folk metal will go anywhere just because the novelty wore off for the casual fans.

    Some people simply wanted to hear something different and weird. Others were thinking, “I’m a borderline alcoholic and need to validate my drinking with a good song about drinking! Because it’s part of my European ancestry! Or something.” Plenty of others just wanted to dance like an idiot to some heavy guitars. Some womenfolk really liked the fact that they wouldn’t face as much hostility if they were on the stage at a metal show with a fiddle or a flute rather than a guitar or microphone.

    So say the “trend” is dead or whatever. There are still people who genuinely like it, and will like it because they simply enjoy the sound. I’ve been a folky bastard since the beginning, before I discovered metal. For me, it’s something nostalgic paired with the metal I love.
    I completely agree that the crowds are a lot nicer at folk metal shows. From the ones I’ve been to, there’s much less of a competitive atmosphere that comes with trying to prove yourself. It’s more about having a good time and hearing some great music.

    Either way, half the folk in the mainstream still ask, “Folk METAL?! Such a thing can exist?”

  • TheTastySquid

    Folk metal kicks ass, and is going nowhere as far as im concerned.

    • TheTastySquid

      folk pagan viking whatever you want to call it kicks ass

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thahirah-Taslimsdttir/747529124 Thahirah Taslimsdóttir

        1

    • cody

      agreed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jacob-Martin/645099086 Jacob Martin

    My thoughts on the Pagan/Folk metal scene is that I’M FUCKING EXCITED FOR ELUVEITIE’S NEW ALBUM, which fortunately comes out a week or 2 after my birthday.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-Danger-Dasher/30826541 Matt Danger Dasher

    As long as Enslaved and Primordial don’t die out with the trend, I’m fine with seeing Finntroll go the way of the dodo.

  • B. Ewing

    Folk in Metal is a GOOD thing. Yea, sure the genres oversaturated with cheesy bands, but some of the best bands have heavy folk influences. anyone forgetting the folkiness of opeth??? particularly the early work. And howabout Windir…4 masterpiece folky albums. Go folk yourselves haters!!!!!!!

  • inhumanrampager

    I’d hate to see Folk Metal do in 2 years what Hair/Glam did in about 10. But that’s what happens when you over saturate. Record companies just don’t get it. You gotta keep things steady. Keep the sub-genre on your radar and sign what you’ve been signing along with that now, instead of flooding everything with this “hip new scene that’s sweeping the nation.” That’s how things get killed, overkilled, and beaten by a dead horse.

  • DemonicLemming

    Over-saturated with meh bands, possibly. Dig around to get to some of the lesser-known bands, and there’s still a lot of win in folk/pagan metal. I never knew it had become anything of a fad or trend, though; the only folk/pagan metal all the metalheads I know listen to is Eluveitie, definitely not other bands like Arkona, Ensiferum, etc. There are a lot of bands out there that aren’t just “Kill, wench, plunder, kill, plunder, wench.”

    I absolutely love the stuff, probably more than any other genre of metal.

  • http://www.metalmaniacs.com Mike Riddick

    Definitely an over saturated genre right now, but this style has been around for a long time, even going back to early folk-rock fusions like COMUS and MELLOW CANDLE from the 60s. The trend in metal may die down for a time but elements of it have been around for a while and likely will continue to do so. I think it’s a great genre and an interesting blend of styles that adds fresh creativity and new ideas to metal.

  • Distorted

    The problem was highlighted pretty well–too much at the same time. I love folk metal, but lets face it–a lot of it can be really shitty. Not to mention bands that labelled themselves as pagan-viking-metal….from spain. Play what you know, goddamnit. But really, the problem was just that it was a new niche being filled, and it was filled too fast by some bands that just shouldnt have gotten signed. I will continue to listen to folk/pagan metal, and support the good bands out there. One of the cool things i think that came out of it was a lot of death-inspired metal and the influence it had on song structure for some bands. Look at Insomnium.

  • B. Ewing

    HELLOOOO!! Sure the genre won’t last forever, but bands like Einherjer, Thyrfing, and Mithoyn have been around since the Mid-90′s! Its 2009. Pagan metal has been around for a while. Its not going anywhere, but it will never be a big hit in the US…of course Heathenfest would bomb…Eluveitie is the headliner!! Your opinion on ths band music aside, and in terms of the average metal head stateside, WHO the hell has ever heard of these bands. People are into all sorts of sub genre’s…you have to get deep within the metal community to find folk metal fans. The US just does not have the sort of metal crowd that can support these shows…doesnt mean the genre’s over!!!

    • heavy metal

      Skyclad has been around since 1990

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kasper-Maigaard/1027001938 Kasper Maigaard

    Pagan/Folk metal? You mean Viking metal? Yeah it gets kinda boring after a while but I still like some of it. More specifically Amon Amarth (they’re like the kings of the genre) and Svartsot (obscure, broken up, Danish Viking Metal).
    I only listen to it for the shits and giggles, it really is a lot of fun.

    • DemonicLemming

      Folk metal != Viking death metal.

  • Me

    Whether it’s on its way out or not, I don’t care. I’ve been into the genre since Skyclad started it in the early 90′s. Just like any other forms of metal, you can find good bands if you dig deep enough. All I see are people talking Eluvietie, Ensiferum and a few other bands here. There’s a lot more out there than what is offfered you on the bgger labels. I still love thrash, black, death metal, etc., but no genre has held my interest as long as folk metal has. With literally hundreds of traditional folk music styles from all over te world to cull their sound from, folk metal has the ability to sound quite different from band to band based on their origin. But yeah, who cares how many people are listening to it or of it’s a fad (a fad that’s 20 years old now). I didn’t think metal fans cared about how popular any one band or genre is?

  • Me

    P.S. Mike Riddick… we need a new TSBB album!