JUMPING DARKNESS PARADE: EYAL THINKS THERE’S HOPE FOR INTELLIGENCE IN METAL AFTER ALL

Monday, January 11th, 2010 at 5:00pm by

jdp-01Yesterday I had an experience that actually gave me some hope for the metal.

After some all out insanity caused by the arctic blast that came all over this country’s face I actually made it out to a show last night. Me going to a show isn’t what gave me hope by the way. I’ll get to that. Even though I don’t go to many shows anymore (try giving a shit about shows when you are involved with three digits worth of them every year), I went last night because Cynic were playing and I was basically helping them make sure that the first week of their tour wasn’t absolutely jacked for them.

What I mean by that is just that they got completely fucked on the travel due to weather. Three of them got stranded in LA, three of them got stranded in Chicago, their merch was never delivered, etc. See, it snows once a year in Atlanta and when it does this city goes to total shit.  Roads shut down, the airport shuts down, emergency services get stretched to the limit, businesses shut down, it straight goes to hell.  This place is not equipped to handle any sort of freezing winter weather incidents. Originally the idea was that Cynic would arrive on Friday and I would pick them up and we’d hang out a bit then they’d play a show on Saturday.

It turned into their management calling me Friday afternoon in the middle of a very professional freakout and telling me that on top of nobody knowing when the band was going to arrive into Atlanta, if at all, that UPS suspended all shipments that day and could I please go to the UPS headquarters and pick up 14 boxes of merch or they will not have any merch for who knows how many days into the tour. And by the way, the dudes are landing at midnight maybe, and by the way more of the dudes are landing tomorrow at noon possibly. None of this would be a big deal at all if the Atlanta roadways weren’t completely covered with ice. I mean sheets of ice. It’s not fun. I almost wrecked a few times. At one point the DAATH van did a 360 on ice and I promise I was going 10 mph.

When I finally made it to UPS to pick up their merch on Friday night it was absolute pandemonium. Imagine being in a tiny trailer with about sixty angry people all fuming about how their important package never made it. Wedding rings, payroll checks, shit people needed for presentations were all missing. There were three employees handling EVERYTHING. I had to wait 3 hours for them to locate my boxes and then nobody helped me. So I carried them all from their back loading bay to my vehicle in 18-degree weather. Not complaining, just saying. It was brutal.

So enough about that, you get the point that the universe was not smiling kindly on this tour getting off to a proper start. We fucked the universe in the face though. Everything got started without a hitch, everything delivered to its proper place, and we even got time to chill. So that was great, but what was it that gave me hope?

The show was fucking packed. I haven’t seen the Masquerade (1200 capacity metal venue in Atlanta) that packed since Lamb of God / Opeth a few years back. It was packed for bands that actually play music and have real musicians. These are not neck tattoo trendy bands. No product posing as music here. Real music by real musicians to a packed house. Now, I will admit, I don’t own anything by any of the bands on the bill besides Cynic, but that’s not important. I still appreciate what every band on that bill does [Between the Buried and Me, Devin Townsend and Scale the Summit. -Ed.]. The more I go on the more I appreciate and respect bands that play real music, whether or not I listen to them.

How do I define “real music” or “real musicians”? Well that’s one of those shady gray areas because it’s all subjective, BUT I will attempt to at least describe where I’m coming from. You guys know I’m in a band, some of you know that I produce bands, and I’m sure you would all assume that I know many people in bands. Being that music is the most important thing in my life and talking about music tends to be something that happens a lot. I like to hear where bands pull their writing from. What they’re intending. I just like to know where their shit is coming from. I’ve always seen writing as my strong suit and so how I can get better at it is always on my mind. I’m always asking people about this or paying attention when they talk about it.

Unfortunately I’m disappointed all the time by bands. Most people in bands completely underestimate the audience. They think that they need to dumb down their sound to make is suitable for mass consumption. Somewhere along the line somebody told them that you need to cater to the audience and they bought it. Maybe it was a parent, maybe it was someone at a label, maybe it was a guitar teacher, who knows. Somewhere somehow people got the impression that you need to deliver musical fast food as your only option for any sort of success in music. Seems like people forget that this is metal, not pop or mainstream radio rock. If what I saw last night is any indicator, it seems to me like the opposite is true. You can do whatever you want in music, just be great and honest with it and at it, and the audience will come. True artistry wins. I think that the new Mastodon record being referred to as such a Big Deal is also evidence of this. I’m hoping this means that we’re transitioning into an era in metal where bands that have real, challenging, fearless music to offer are taking the cake.

Side note – somebody at that show went to a prominent deathcore show three weeks back at the same venue and it was only 1/3rd full.

-EL

Add some brains to your brawn by listening to Daath on MySpace.

  • Spanky

    Very well written Eyal, and im glad nothing bad happened with the whole ice on the highway

  • Bicro

    The right kinda shows bring out the right kinda people.

  • http://reaper-x.deviantart.com/ Reaper-X

    You’ve got a point there…

    Real Recognize Real all the time.

  • loganarchy

    I went to that show. You’re right, it was fucking packed. Cynic was really good but Devin Townsend kinda disappointed me. Scale the Summit was a bit boring. I’m assuming you didn’t stay for BTBAM? (you didn’t mention them) BTBAM was pretty good, but everything sounded the same and the fans were dicks.

    I was honestly worried about if I could make it to the show because of all the ice. One of the first times when I was the pessimist in a situation. But by Saturday night it was mostly gone, anyways.

    • Geetarz

      You know you’re right. Granted that the show was packed for BTBAM, their shit is so boring now. I realize these dudes can write music and play it very well. I would never take that away from them. I feel that their crowd is a bit immature. Musical Ignorance, and by that I mean that the kids hear it, but they don’t understand it what goes into it. It’s just trendy and cool and the t-shirts have lots of “colors” no pun intended. DTP was pretty good regardless of the rehearsal time spend to get their shit together. Cynic was amazing, but leave the acid at home.

      • Drew

        Psychedelia makes better metal, musicians and listeners/concert demographics.

        However, I am a bit of a contradiction as I ran out of an Opeth show during High On Fire’s set when I saw an 8 or 9 year old kid there with his parents in what seemed to be a very DARK environment. To my dismay, I did not see the NO INS AND OUTS sign. So, I spent the night wandering the streets of Atlanta (Home Park and Rocky Mountain Pizza to be exact).

    • Slaughterhouse

      All three bands were mentioned…

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Bishop/571220161 Mike Bishop

        i was there devin townsend didnt disappoint in my opinion you gotta remember it isnt SYL anymore

  • http://thenumberoftheblog.wordpress.com/ groverXIII

    There is nothing more metal than picking up Cynic’s merch at UPS in a snowstorm.

    The nice thing about growing up in the Ohio countryside… you get used to driving in the snow.

    • John

      Exactly. Even though people here still can’t drive in the snow for shit.

      • http://thenumberoftheblog.wordpress.com/ groverXIII

        Seems to be worse here in the city (although with Toledo, I use the word “city” rather loosely)… we get a little bit of snow and motherfuckers suddenly start going 15 mph. Bugs the hell out of me.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-John-Crispen/100000169530540 Jason John Crispen

          not this motherfucker! when people drive like that, i pass them and flip them off. i’ve live in NWOhio my whole life, i assume that it’s not most people’s first winter here. learn to fucking drive in the snow!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kasper-Maigaard/1027001938 Kasper Maigaard

      Well, Slayers merch would be a little more metal ’cause… you know, it’s Slayers.

      • Discipleofthewatch

        Well, unfortunately we’re not going to be attending the Slayer shows any time soon or buying their merch in person in the near future.

        “neck tattoo trendy bands?” Clarification?

        • Alex_P

          Bring Me the Horizon
          Motionless in White
          Broadway
          The Devil Wears Prada
          Emmure
          Attack Attack!

          Basically, music designed to sell to fat teenage girls.

          • http://myspace.com/duckbillz Duck Billz

            Hey, cool, way to bring the sexism to an article praising intelligence. Good job, meathead.

          • TonyT

            SHUT UP you fat teenage MAN! Did him saying that it was marketed to girls really offend you? Really? Grow up

          • Trux

            I think the Devil wears Prada are actually a pretty cool band.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harrington-Neil-Sauer/677600672 Harrington Neil Sauer

            1. Trux, you’re an uneducated piece of goat dick if you think that TDWP are good.
            2. How the fuck is that sexism? That’s exactly who those bands are marketed towards.

          • http://myspace.com/duckbillz Duck Billz

            TonyT, a thing being marketed to girls (which in this case is purely conjecture) does not offend me. What offends me is how frequently and casually metalheads (and dudes in general, and often women) equate or relate negativity with femininity.
            “Bring Me the Horizon? They suck. Only FAT, TEENAGE GIRLS could find that band appealing. The Devil Wears Prada? Bunch of trendy bullshit. Only FAT, TEENAGE GIRLS could be dumb enough to fall for this blatant marketing ploy.”
            What makes this especially pathetic is that there are obvious, totally legitimate reasons to talk shit on these bands or any bands, namely that you don’t like their music or their message or FUCK, even their image!
            If these bands are specifically designed to sell to anyone it is insecure, trend-hopping scene kids who get off on romanticized angst and violence and misogyny and hell, even goofy, pop culture references, but it’s not disparaging enough to say that, is it? Nope, it’s gotta be MUSIC FOR GIRLS. I find this attitude intolerable.
            I am sorry that you apparently don’t find belittlement offensive if it is not aimed directly at you. Grow a pair of breasts and see how much you like hearin’ that shit every day.

            Harrington Neil Sauer (a truly excellent name), way to stick it to Trux, bud. It must be pretty threatening to you to live in a world where dudes like Trux can listen to a band you don’t like..

          • TonyT

            Alex, you make a few points that really make sense. touche. I see your point, it IS sexist to say that “oh, something sucks so its marketed to girls” but on the other hand I think that he was just making the point that that is REALLY who it is being marketed to, not just because he thinks they are musically ignorant or inferior in any way. Not to mention I assumed you were a dude anyway and it seemed to me you were just picking a fight, but you were clearly just trying to make a point.

          • TonyT

            oops, ^ that was actually directed at duck billz, my mistake

          • http://myspace.com/duckbillz Duck Billz

            Yeah, he really made a strong point about who those bands are REALLY being marketed to by plainly stating they are “music designed to sell to fat teenage girls.” How insightful!
            P.S. I am even a dude, the joke’s on you, TonyT.

          • TonyT

            I think it’s pretty obvious that you are a guy, duck billz. I was just trying to compliment you on the points you made and I just was telling you why I had my point of view….you know, having an “intelligent” conversation. Of course it wasn’t fucking insightful that I got that out of it as opposed to what you got out of it….He stated clearly that girls are who it’s being marketed to and I took that at face value, no sexism. That’s all. But apparently having a normal discussion s too hard because of your obvious superior intellect.

          • http://myspace.com/duckbillz Duck Billz

            I don’t know why you expect me to be capable of what you consider to be a normal discussion, and I also don’t know why a normal discussion cannot include antagonism.

            Anyhow, thanks for the compliments, TonyT (for fun I have been pronouncing your name the same as the word, “tonight;” it is out of respect that I’m tellin’ you this). I understand that you read
            Alex_Urine’s comment at face value, and it was rude of me to make a joke at you rather than acknowledging your reason and open-mindedness in appreciating what I had to say. Thanks, bud.

          • Alex_P (AKA Alex_Urine)

            Hey Duck Billz. I’m late on this one. Alex_Urine is awesome, I like that.

            Though you are right on the fact that there are other reasons to criticize the band, and though my comment is sort of sexist, we can’t deny the fact that this music is marketed to people with frail egos. I can understand how a comment such as mine reinforces this culture, but my (poorly made) point is that often, the people who listen to shit music like this have it sold to them based on image. BMTH work on sex appeal, Emmure on anger, and Motionless in White on angst and depression caused by hormones. I object to this prefabricated, vapid music.

      • http://thenumberoftheblog.wordpress.com/ groverXIII

        I suppose that’s true. Good point.

        • THRASHETTE

          Actually, as a medium-built teenage girl, I have noticed that a curious percentage of these bands’ fans consist of fat, teenage girls.

  • Frampler

    Great blog, Eyal – nice mix of tour story and a point about modern music. I know where you’re coming from with the idea of ‘real’ music. As a listener, I don’t want to hear a band recycle old riffs or just make the same album over and over. I’d rather that I band I like be ambitious and fail spectacularly than be safe and conservative.

  • Master Chah

    I feel bad but I LOL’d at the 360 part.

    • Eyal Levi

      I was laughing too believe it or not

      • http://www.myspace.com/1033metal Jackson

        i was laughing at the fact that cities collectively shit themselves over one little winter storm

        • Eyal Levi

          It seems pathetic on the surface but I think that it has to do with the amount of money spent on winter weather resources not being worth it in proportion to how much winter weather actually strikes. Its once a year own here. I figure the powers that be would rather save the money and suffer for a day or two.

        • BigJordowski

          These winter stories of southern cities always makes me laugh, I live in Duluth, MN, about an hour or less from the border (Canadian). So, people say winter storm, I say you haven’t seen anything my friend.

          • BigJordowski

            But great article, i really want to see this tour, probably wont happen though

          • Eyal Levi

            I’ve lived in Cleveland, Boston, and have toured the north in the dead of winter. One of those tours we were actually involved in a pretty bad wreck. Atlanta doesnt get real winter storms of course. The little they do get here they can’t deal with though.

          • Chris

            I say you get 10 inches of water in one day from a hurricane and see how your city deals with something like that. I’m sure your city would turn upside-down. The point here is that you don’t spend all kinds of money and man-power on something that hardly ever happens.

            Atlanta gets winter weather once out of 5 years, and it only lasts a day or two. Of course people around there don’t have a clue how to drive in the snow. Not to mention that most of them are probably using summer tires all year-round.

            I’m glad you can drive in the snow. Good job! One cookie for you!

        • Shinaain

          Eyal already explained how come the southern-most states freak out when we get hit by snow and ice. For my part, I don’t know what’s worse – slow strangulation of an entire geographic region during winterstorms, or random decimation of small sections by tornadoes. Call me crazy (and many have), but I’ll take tornadoes. I moved from Alabama to Colorado last year and have spent the entire time regretting it.

          This was my first season driving on snowtires and I just want my tank tops and 100% humidity back. You Midwesterners can keep this crap.

      • http://thenumberoftheblog.wordpress.com/ groverXIII

        I had someone go sideways right in front of me last week when there wasn’t even snow on the road, just on the side of the road. Fortunately I was able to stop before hitting them.

        • Geetarz

          Drving in it isn’t that hard, you just have to worry about all the other idiots who have no clue how to even control a car in the first place who actually attempt to drive on it. Atlanta needs salt trucks.

          • http://www.myspace.com/1033metal Jackson

            Im aware of why it happens but living in Duluth, MN myself I cant help but find it hilarious as well

      • Drew Iwanicki

        Well, a 360 is better than a 180, right?

        • Eyal Levi

          Yep – i just kept on going

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Bishop/571220161 Mike Bishop

            in the south we get ice storms now snow 1/8th an inch of snow isnt shit here try up north that shit is insane except a couple of years ago ohio was amazing for winter a pleasent 60 degrees in the middle of december ^_^

  • orbital

    Catering to the audience. I played in a band like that once. And “dumbing it down ” were the actual words used by a few of my bandmates throughout the writing process. People aren’t stupid. Well, not all of them anyhow. They can smell bullshit when they see it.

    • Eyal Levi

      Dogs can smell bullshit. If dogs can, I imagine some stupid people can. Though I think my dog is smarter than a lot of people I’ve met. I know i’d rather go out for drinks with him than some people I know.

      • Geetarz

        Nickelback!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harrington-Neil-Sauer/677600672 Harrington Neil Sauer

        Proven fact: 99% of dogs are better people then their owners.

  • Gaia

    This is how an interesting blog should be written. Loving the tour stories, and if you don’t know much about Devin, just of him, check out the music, completely from the heart. Great Blog! Keep ‘em coming.

  • http://myspace.com/numidium Marc

    Let’s hope your right. Write and play what you feel, even if it’s technically over the top.

  • Chainsword

    Metal is like alcohol. Some of us drink it for taste, to appreciate all that went into it’s creation.

    Some drink only to get drunk, with little care for where it comes from.
    Coors may have plenty of advertising, sponsorships, and paraphernalia, but that does not make it a good beer.

    Glad you made it through the ice, it was wicked bad here in Sandy Springs.

    • orbital

      pretty good analogy dude

      • Tanner

        EXACTLY how i feel. Thumbs up!

        • Geetarz

          I live in SS aswell!

    • The Overmatt

      That’s probably the best analogy I’ve heard in a long time. Kudos good sir.

    • SourDeez

      This proves the age-old adage: If you want to relate to metal fans, try referring to beer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Abishai-Aziz-Al-Doory/553428754 Abishai Aziz Al-Doory

    inspiring.. thanks!

    the weight of so many ppl telling you how to do things can be infectious. We definitely need to be reminded sometimes that doing it our own way is always the best.

  • Facebook User

    I lost hope for intelligence in Metal after reading the last blog by Dallas…

    • tim

      You and me both.

  • Tanner

    “True Artistry wins.”

    Thanks Eyal, yet AGAIN, another exceptional and moving blog.

  • DaathSucks

    Dude you go on like your Ozzy Osbourne, the founding father of metal, a rockstar, friend and ambassodor to Cynic, the ultimate thinker of metal, why dont Daath make some decent music? Why is it apart from this site, no one gives a fuck?

    I bet Daath wouldn’t get three people to that venue!

    Love the blogs though, keep it up.

    • Geetarz

      Make that 4 people!

    • Eyal Levi

      I say 9 cause there’s 5 people in my band plus the other 4 that you guys say we would pull

      • Geetarz

        Lets say 7 just to be safe. Apparently Daath sucks that bad, some of the band members might not even show up.

        • DaathSucks

          Id say 10. Id come and heckle. I dont even hate Daath really, its just so one sided for Eyals blogs, someone has to be a cunt.

          • Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt (AKA: Dallas Coyle’s Juicy Curl))

            How is it one sided? He comes across real, doesnt try to bludgeon us with ill placed, poorly timed sarcasm. From what ive seen he responds to everyone respectfully. And No, noone “needs” to be cunt.

        • Eyal Levi

          Yeah but since we suck that bad it would be no problem to replace the shit members with really shit replacements in a heartbeat so yeah – 10 now

          • http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.channel&contributorid=19569360 Garske

            I like the way you handle shitheads here man. +1

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-John-Crispen/100000169530540 Jason John Crispen

      ozzy osbourne sucks. i said it. anything post jake e. lee has been a steaming pile of horseshit. and his output in black sabbath is only so awesome because of the people writing the songs: geezer, bill, and tony.

      • treble67

        What a twat you are. Life with a pointed head must be tough. Don’t diss the orig. Sab in any way shape or form lest ye be cast into the lake of clueless metalheads.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-John-Crispen/100000169530540 Jason John Crispen

          dude’s a bumbling, incoherant fuck who’s pissed all over his legacy. he should have quit when randy died, instead he’s continued putting out album after album that’s worse than the last.

  • BlestTilDeth

    Yes, but was the Clermont open during the storm?

  • SP420

    “Side note – somebody at that show went to a prominent deathcore show three weeks back at the same venue and it was only 1/3rd full.”

    I’d like to know what exactly bands were on that bill because chances are their general recognition in the population probably isn’t as widespread as the show you were at. We’re talking about four massive and well-known bands in metal. Ok, maybe not Scale the Summit just yet, but they’ve received a lot of exposure from Prosthetic as well as endorsements.

    Now, getting back to the deathcore comment, I don’t know if this could be regional or whatnot (and furthemore this is just a simple anecdote) but I’ve frequented quite a few of predominantly deathcore shows here in MA/CT including at big venues like Palladium/Webster/House of Blues and these shows are packed to their limits with people gobbling up everything these run-of-the-mill scene bands throw at them. It seems like every few months there’s more and more new shit bands that spring up like weeds and somehow gain quite a following. The most recent NE Metal and Hardcore Fest…an absolute travesty with the amount of -core derived filth that was on the bill, not to mention it was again shortened to 2 days. And the promoters simply have no problem with it as this area is just teeming with talentless -core bands and really show no sign of abating (perhaps to get an idea of it, visit returntothepit.com, run by an EXTREMELY dedicated freelance photographer of metal/hardcore bands in the NE).

    So yes, while I understand what you mean by true artistry having a way of prevailing and getting the proper exposure in the metal world, do NOT overestimate the masses and their ability to flock behind the most talented bands out there because it is so far from the case, trying to be as far from personal opinion as possible.

    • Geetarz

      Atlanta’s metal scene isn’t as as big as say Clevelend. New England, or San Fran. Were talking Mastodon, and Daath might be the only 2 well known that claim to be from Atlanta. Atlanta can pack a show, I’ve been to many. If you’re a nobody, or have minimal exposure you’re gonna get that type of crowd in Atlanta. Not to mention that a lot of bands wont tour here because of how opinionated the fans are. If you suck, we’ll let you know.

      • The Ogre

        Nice to someone calls them out, SoCal is teeming with nothing but scene kids who listen to any -core band that comes out

        • Geetarz

          There is this band called Shai Hulud, and the will not tour in Atlanta more, possibly because of me.

      • Trux

        what about Stuck Mojo ?

        • quigonkick

          What about Gnostic? They’re a new band that is really worth looking into… like a mix of Atheist and Pantera. Gnostic is 3/5 of Atheist, including the mighty Steve Flynn on drums. Check out “Engineering the Rule” on Season of Mist… same label as Cynic.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Sterner/1335958279 Andrew Sterner

        Cleveland is the shit. But by comparison, Atlanta isn’t bad for metal. I drive down every few months for a show from Charlotte, which has NO metal scene whatsoever, unless you include deathcore and emocore “bands”.

    • j-rock

      As a Fellow Masshole I wholeheartedly concur. That is the whole extent of the metal community in this state. It’s the main reason i hardy ever bother going to shows anymore. I swear these kids think metal didn’t exist before 2006. If it’s not a slapdash of breakdowns and juvenile death threats it’s not metal. Now if you’ll excuse me i have a rocking chair i must return to.

  • Alex_P

    Hey, MetalSucks.
    More Eyal, less Dallas.

    • Motoghost

      I second that!

      • Wot?

        amen broseph

  • The_Kak

    anyone know what deathcore concert eyal was talking about? I’d be interested to hear which band failed horribly.

  • bretton

    How come the Southern USA is colder than Canada right now? or was a week ago at least

    • Edika

      Global warming, it’s true whether you beleive in it or not. Cause reality doesn’t cater to faith!

      • quigonkick

        What are YOU doing about water vapor, the most-prevalent (95%) greenhouse gas? What are YOU doing about volcanic eruptions, since they spew out far more pollutants and greenhouse gases than humanity? Have YOU petitioned Congress to make a law mandating the retrofitting of volcanoes with catalytic converters? What are YOU doing about the 99% of natural CO2 that does not come from mankind?

        If Global Warming is real – which it isn’t – then it’s a natural cycle and nothing we dumb humans can do to stop or alter it. We should get over ourselves and start using our brains.

        Funny how Bush’s oil people getting rich was EVIL but the energy companies that stand to make a fortune aren’t. Funny how Cheney is a EVIL money chaser, yet Gore is some kind of hero with even less accountability.

        Follow the money, my friend. It will tell the tale.

        • Noel

          no one implied gore was a hero here. but if you cant see that Cheney is evil, well, sir, your an idiot.

          • quigonkick

            I said Cheney IS evil. I thought I made that clear. Don’t mistake my speaking out against Gore as support for “the other side”. They’re both evil.

    • Noel

      hahaha. try telling that to my freezing milwaukee WI ass.

  • Shinaain

    “Most people in bands completely underestimate the audience. They think that they need to dumb down their sound to make is suitable for mass consumption. Somewhere along the line somebody told them that you need to cater to the audience and they bought it.”

    This passage interested me the most. (That is, besides the anecdote at the start that whipped and beat my long-suffering homesickness from an uneasy slumber, but I don’t think anybody cares about that but me.) To which audience is it assumed performers should be catering to? When I’ve heard people speak in the past of dumbing-down art to make it suitable for mass consumption, I’ve often wondered what determines the standard. Sales and media popularity are certainly no longer accurate gauges of relative public regard anymore, so who gets to decide?

    In a free market of ideas (which is how I prefer to think of the metal genre, for if it’s not already, then it’s entirely capable of being such), I think there’s plenty of room for diversity. There’s just as much room for the bands that don’t really have much to say but still feel compelled to rock out as there is for the bands that will never be satisfied no matter how far they push within the confines the genre or how broadly they experiment with all the possibilities of the human ability perceive sound. [I say this with complete confidence, despite the enormous traffic done on this site and others like it whereby people spend inordinate amounts of time and devote thousands of lines of text to debating who is tr00, br00tal, kvlt, frost-bitten and/or grim (I honestly can’t keep up with all you dorks. Did I leave anything out?) – as there are, of course, other schools of thought.]

    Let’s ditch metal for a second so I can point out the obvious, which is that not everybody can be Todd Rundgren – and that’s fine, because Adam Ant was fun, too.

    While I certainly think there’s plenty of truth to the perception that the business aspect of music will best reward and serve those who offend and challenge the fewest (much like politics), I don’t much appreciate those who would try to limit my options – nor do I appreciate those who would attempt to predict my tolerance levels for stimulation on little more information than some vague stereotype of the typical punter. At the very least, I’m confident you don’t underestimate me and others like me, Eyal. You wouldn’t bother doing what you do if you did.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/CJ-Crawford/768948209 C.J. Crawford

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  • dimentian

    The floridiots down here wear jackets and hoodies with pants and SANDALS. Why? Please cmon down soon. Have not seen you guys live and haven’t been to a good show in a while.

  • MSalonen

    I’m also quite surprised that you’re not familiar with Devin Townsend, who I feel is amazing. Especially since you’re a pretty forward-thinking and well-rounded musician. But I’m biased.

    • Eyal Levi

      I’m definitely familiar with who he is and what he’s done. I have nothing but respect for him. He’s an amazing guitarist, producer, composer, business man, thinker, and just cool dude. Somehow i’ve never really given his music a huge amount of time. Its something I’ve always meant to do but haven’t gotten around to yet. I’m a late bloomer sometimes when it comes to discovering music.

      • quigonkick

        There’s always something that everyone misses. I’ve yet to listen to many, many albums that are considered mandatory listening and essential classics. There’s just WAY too much ground to cover when it comes to music, even if one chooses to stay within one genre such as metal. With only so many hours in the day and only so many coins in the pocket, it’s impossible to know everything and be able to appreciate it.

        • Shinaain

          I can relate to this, 100%. It’s an embarassment of riches, really. What a great problem to have!

          • Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt (AKA: Dallas Coyle’s Juicy Curl))

            No fucking shit! Im so far behind man I still consider Pantera progressive. ( Just a joke PLEASE dont take it seriously)

            I saw DAATH here in Belgium and now im Hooked, I think shows are the best exposure to new bands.

  • http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.channel&contributorid=19569360 Garske

    18 degrees? That’s T-shirt & Shorts Weather up here in North Dakota!
    But for Atlanta I can imagine people would be going apeshit.

    By the way… you should bring that tour you mentioned up here. :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/William-Morley/618112437 William Morley

    I’d like to think that Converge buck the “neck tattoo” trend, they’re pretty good.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Gehrig/516613947 John Gehrig

      I will disagree with you and say that Converge fucking blows. It’s like watching a kid with tourette’s twirl a microphone and run across the stage all while screaming.

      • Julian Goodwin

        i agrre with john i saw converge on the latest dethklok tour and i dont think ive ever heard a worse band in my life i may have been able to make out 3 words the singer said the whole 45 min set they had

  • Fufkin

    Insightful as ever, Eyal.

  • http://www.myspace.com/damenbarbee DamenDrummerBarbee

    I work with a delivery company (FedEx Ground) and we found ourselves not being able to do so much due to circumstances out of our control recently (half of it is due to the end of the christmas season). These circumstances are related to the weather and lack of inbounds (trailers). We get all kinds of stuff stuck out in the nasty weather and I bet that if Cynics merch was within the missing inbounds then we wouldn’t be able to do anything about it if the inbounds were stuck out in shitty cold icy weather. I’d say “oh shit” if I found out that that was the case. But it’s good that everything went well with Cynics tour.

  • quigonkick

    Eyal, I personally owe you a huge thanks. It’s people like you that grease metal’s wheels and help fill in the cracks that need to be filled. I know it’s a thankless job, and I know that thanking you isn’t going to pay any of your bills. I truly, truly wish I could offer something of substance… something more than words on a screen.

    I saw Cynic the next night in New Orleans, and it is because of you that I am wearing the NEW Cynic shirt I bought at that show at this moment. I never, ever thought I’d get to see them so Sunday evening was a dream come true… 16 years in the making. Magical is too shallow a word to fully describe the experience.

    Thank you for the tour kickoff work, for your countless, unpaid, thankless, taxing hours you put in for the music we love. The next time we meet – and I hope it’s sooner than later – the first two rounds are on me, and even that pales in comparison to what you and countless others have earned. Thank you.

    • DaathSucks

      did you know the Cynic members are indeed homosexual! Wear that shirt with pride!

      • quigonkick

        Unlike you, I’m comfortable with my sexuality and won’t let something this trivial affect my love for this band… where I would NOT wear this shirt with anything but beaming pride. If proclaiming ‘I LOVE CYNIC” makes me something I may or may not be – something FAR removed from the music, mind you – then that is YOUR problem and not mine.

        “I LOVE CYNIC”

        TIMES THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND.

        • DaathSucks

          I practise bestiality. All power too you my friend!!!! Cynic are proof that any sexual conitation can create awesome music!

          Now im off to fuck a goat.

  • http://www.ceiltsei.com/board Ceiltsei

    I have been listening to safe pop music for as long as I can remember, but along with that, there have been the few intelligent and incredibly imaginative bands. Strangely, that is how I found Metal to begin with. If it wasn’t for progressive rock, I would not have been interested in Metal at all today. Since I listened to the same shit my dad listened to, I got him into Metal (sorta by accident) as well, and now we pass music back and forth that we find. That year was one of the greatest years of my life.

    • Andy Synn

      Ditto.

      My dad has always been an old-school prog fan, but as prog and metal have (more obviously) moved closer together it has given us a lot more to talk about.

      Basically I am hoping to appear on Oprah (?) talking about how metal brought my family together… sniff…

  • SourDeez

    It’s funny that you mention this, I was in Atlanta last week and had the pleasure of experiencing the city’s sheer lack of ability to deal with icy weather. My girlfriend and I almost died when our car completely lost traction and we came very close to sliding backwards down a hill into a river. On the day that I came back to NY, it was colder in Georgia than it was here.

  • http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/46e389eb8b79606050d3d447431ff6ac?s=80 Nate

    You know what makes me wonder if there’s any intelligence in metal? Dicks like Dallas Coyle. Eyal, what’s your opinion on that arrogant prick?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fritz-Pettersen/536945538 Fritz Pettersen

      Ouch!! I.Q. overload, beware of backfire!

    • Eyal Levi

      I like him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kirill-Zmurciuk/100000301731079 Kirill Zmurciuk

    So very true, finally people are realizing that what really matters is honesty in music. No one will remember 90% of the bands that are fad today in ten years, and the only bands that will pass the test of time will be those who play music, not a trendy product.

    But I laughed reading the passages about the shitty weather :)) Do you people know about winter tires? I mean, shit…. people are freaked out in America and Europe because of an inch of snow on the roads. Hilarious! Go to Russia during the winter and see how people are driving 60mph on roads covered with ice :))) And it happens EVERY fucking year….. big deal…

    • Andy Synn

      True… even though the trend has been for more snow/ice and worse winters here in the UK we still haven’t grasped how to adapt to that. Winter tyres really aren’t that big an issue here (although they should be).

    • Eyal Levi

      Once again –

      The mentioning the weather in Atlanta is not meant to start a geographical who’s got the bigger dick fight. We know that you get more snow in Russia or in Canada or Minnesota. We get it. Thank you for making it clear. What you don’t get, which has been mentioned on here a few times, is that its not the amount of snow or ice which shuts this city down, its the lack of preparation and resources this city has available to deal with any of it combined with drivers that are completely inexperienced in these conditions.

      • Andy Synn

        If stuck in ice/snow it’s possible to get extra traction by letting your tyres down slightly. An Icelandic friend of mine gave me that pearl of wisdom.

        And chlamydia.

      • Alec29

        Lived in Atlanta for 27 years. Less than a sixteenth of an inch of snow/ice WILL indeed shut the city down. Old ladies fist fighting in the grocery stores for a gallon of milk and a loaf of bread is both funny and shocking at the same time. Cynic owes you a big one, Eyal.

        By the way how’s the new Deliver Us From Evil going? Alex and crew are friends of mine.

        • Eyal Levi

          They don’t owe me anything. Friends help friends.

          Deliver Us From Evil is going to be quite slamming sir

          • Alec29

            Awesome to hear.

            Truth is truth on friends helping friends.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kirill-Zmurciuk/100000301731079 Kirill Zmurciuk

        Chill man, no offense :) I get the situation pretty well that it’s the infrastructure and the municipal services that should be dealing with things like these, not the drivers. Tell me about fucked up services, living for ten years in a block with no hot water…

        I’m glad you’re OK, and the guys from Cynic are doing well too!

  • Vince

    Hell yes I cannot wait for that show to hit my town cuz i already got my tickets! im mostly going for between the buried and me but cynic will be a pleasure too. what you said actually reminds me of some btbam lyrics: “robots crush. death of human music. counteract the idea of control. we will find art again.” seriously go own all their shit man youll dig it.

  • Alex

    I had never listened to Cynic before seeing them in Atlanta, and it was amazing.

    BTBAM/Cynic was the best show I’ve been to in a while. I made my way around the entire venue during the time I was there, the people in the pit wernt being dicks to each other and outside of the pit there wasnt a lot of people ruining it for others by being annoying as fuck.

    As much as I love Behemoth it was not as crowded the next day when I saw Behemoth play.

  • ThisIsNecessary

    Chicago winter owns you. Oh, and should I start listening to DAAAAATH now or what? This site is the only place I hear any mention of them.

  • Morier

    That show was insane. I think it might have been one of the best i’ve been too, despite the few technical difficulties. The crowd went ape shit for BTBAM.

  • Nyy188

    “Progressive” and “experimental”, while previously being thought of as self indulgent and pretentious, are the new thing. Don’t get me wrong, I love some of the musical that is labeled prog. From Mastodon to Cynic to Martyr (Don Mongrain rules), I love the musicianship. Look at how good it can be. At its best, it is Symphony X. Although they do change time and key quite often, they do it so seamlessly you would hardly notice. Between the Buried and Me; not so much. They do it so poorly, it feels like you are listening to 16 different songs, even though there are six on their new CD. If that what people want, can’t they just put Agoraphobic Nosebleed on shuffle? Don’t get me wrong, they have some cool harmonies and riffs, but they are such poor songwriters its not funny. I guess they figure if you throw shit against a wall, something might stick. They couldn’t carry a tune if you handed them a radio inside of a suitcase. Their vocalist is also incredibly monotonous, which is fucking annoying. Their can be light and shade in a scream; just look at Mikael Stanne, one of my favorites. It is a shame, cause they have some brilliant parts of songs. My point is this: progressive music is hot right now, because of all these bands. Some bands deserve it more than others. What is your take on how good (and bad) progressive music can get. I’m not asking you to name names here, but to tell me what you think makes a good musician. It may just be an intangible quality that a degree from Berklee, being able to stay in key, and the ability to read music alone just can’t get you.

  • Xn0r

    Admit it. You had fun driving on the ice. I know I always do. Part of the fun is the danger, sliding around, etc. Get some rally driving in! :)

    Anyway, bands intentionally dumbing down their music and/or lyrics?! That’s not only stupid, it’s insulting. And when I see that, I just presume the band is made up of stupid people.

    I think you’re right about bands who try to be “trendy”. Bands who try to cater to a trend, or fit themselves into some niche or market are inevitably short lived, and forgettable, IMHO.

    I find that bands which challenge me a bit musically, that are deep, that aren’t immediately “accessible” often turn out to be my favorites. The sort of bands that when you listen to their songs over a long period of time, you hear subtle things you didn’t notice before and come to appreciate their music even more.

  • Alex

    I don’t understand why some dudes are giving so much shit to BTBAM, the headlining band of the tour no less. You guys can say how much they suck all you want, but they’re an amazing band and got the most response BY FAR. They stole the show! By a landslide! People were jumping so hard on “Ants Of The Sky” I thought that the floor was going to break. You could feel the wood warping.

    Also, How do the few of you guys justify that their music is bad because it “changes alot” and sounds like “20 songs in one”? It’s just a change in the song, they can have as many as they want because that’s the way they write. I mean, call my crazy, but it sounds great to me.

    Not only that, but BTBAM is much more progressive (NOT just meaning time signature and tempo changes (of course it has those things), but I mean more of the act of sharing / telling a story through the music) than all of these bands, Cynic comes behind them, Scale The Summit is next, and Devin Townsend Project isn’t really progressive…it’s more ambient with the occasional really awesome metal song.

    Everything BTBAM writes is pure gold anyway, To this day I haven’t been disappointed by a song by BTBAM. I’ve never heard a band where EVERY SONG is something I enjoy. Some of my favorite bands have songs I HATE. This favorite band, absolutely nothing I hate about that.

    Anyway, I digress. The show was an absolute blast, the funnest one I’ve ever been too, and I got Blake Richardson’s drumstick!!! He’s one of my drum heroes which made it that much more epic.

  • NYY188

    A few things:
    1. BTBAM are the headliner. There is no “stealing the show” when you are the headliner. You are the band to beat. Of course people were giving them the best reaction. This stuff is figured out by sales.
    2. I didn’t deny that this band is talented. They can play the shit out of their instruments. I said they are piss poor songwriters and stand behind that statement. They have a lot of cool parts, but don’t seem to know which ones go together. I love quite a bit progressive music; I just don’t like incoherent music. When you throw so many parts together with such poor execution, that is what you get.
    3.You labeled the bands in order of how “prog” they are. Just as “progressive” doesn’t mean bad, it is also not synonymous with good. It describes the style of the music. You seem to understand the characteristics. I will give you that.
    4. How can you enjoy every song the band has written. I can’t even say that of my favorite bands. Here I am calling you crazy!
    5.You don’t need to defend your favorite band. I’m sure there are a ton of people who will tell me some of my favorites like Symphony X, Death, and Sleep suck, but who cares. Good to see you went out to the show and had a good time man.