Comments on: OPETH, BLACK SABBATH, AND ENSLAVED GET MELLO…YOU SHOULD TOO http://www.metalsucks.net/2010/02/02/opeth-black-sabbath-and-enslaved-get-mello-you-should-too/ IS FOR LOVERS Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:01:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Kim http://www.metalsucks.net/2010/02/02/opeth-black-sabbath-and-enslaved-get-mello-you-should-too/#comment-398315 Kim Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:37:03 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=28843#comment-398315 I feel duty-bound to get this DVD. Surprised and delighted to see it reviewed here though! I feel duty-bound to get this DVD. Surprised and delighted to see it reviewed here though!

]]> By: Glenn http://www.metalsucks.net/2010/02/02/opeth-black-sabbath-and-enslaved-get-mello-you-should-too/#comment-398261 Glenn Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:50:44 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=28843#comment-398261 Not having seen the film yet, I'm curious to see what Penn's argument is. However, it seems pretty fundamental to the cultural workings of the thing called "sampling" that it contain some amount of cultural specificity, that the sounds being manipulated are not generic. In my opinion, it's hard to argue that aspect was in much force by either the inventor of the Mellotron or its earliest users. I don't think they really cared what the sounds "meant" so long as they could be reproduced. However, sampling as cultural practice depends on context for the new sounds to have any meaning. Of course, you could load anything you wanted into the Mellotron and in that sense it is certainly an important technological development. At the same time, the film trailer seems to be trying to reclaim the whole of sampling as simply a matter of technological inventiveness created by a nerdy dude interested in making things more convenient for Aunt Mabel. While the history of sampling can encompass both Aunt Mabel and Public Enemy (and certainly hip hop producers have always had an interest in relevant strains of the European avant garde), the film trailer didn't seem to recognize that complexity. Interested to check out the film regardless because it has Opeth in it. haha Not having seen the film yet, I’m curious to see what Penn’s argument is. However, it seems pretty fundamental to the cultural workings of the thing called “sampling” that it contain some amount of cultural specificity, that the sounds being manipulated are not generic. In my opinion, it’s hard to argue that aspect was in much force by either the inventor of the Mellotron or its earliest users. I don’t think they really cared what the sounds “meant” so long as they could be reproduced. However, sampling as cultural practice depends on context for the new sounds to have any meaning.

Of course, you could load anything you wanted into the Mellotron and in that sense it is certainly an important technological development. At the same time, the film trailer seems to be trying to reclaim the whole of sampling as simply a matter of technological inventiveness created by a nerdy dude interested in making things more convenient for Aunt Mabel. While the history of sampling can encompass both Aunt Mabel and Public Enemy (and certainly hip hop producers have always had an interest in relevant strains of the European avant garde), the film trailer didn’t seem to recognize that complexity.

Interested to check out the film regardless because it has Opeth in it. haha

]]> By: Ian Christe http://www.metalsucks.net/2010/02/02/opeth-black-sabbath-and-enslaved-get-mello-you-should-too/#comment-398239 Ian Christe Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:18:50 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=28843#comment-398239 Actually, in the film Michael Penn makes the case the Harry Chamberlin not only invented sampling, but also sequencing, because his early keyboards employed not just recorded sounds, but also complete sections of rhythmic accompaniment which could be chopped up and used to create new songs—which is where the magic happened in electronic music 40 years later. Just throwing that out there... Actually, in the film Michael Penn makes the case the Harry Chamberlin not only invented sampling, but also sequencing, because his early keyboards employed not just recorded sounds, but also complete sections of rhythmic accompaniment which could be chopped up and used to create new songs—which is where the magic happened in electronic music 40 years later.

Just throwing that out there…

]]> By: battleid http://www.metalsucks.net/2010/02/02/opeth-black-sabbath-and-enslaved-get-mello-you-should-too/#comment-398230 battleid Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:08:02 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=28843#comment-398230 Metal + Mellotron = New Purchase for Me. Needs more doublebass? nay! needs more Mellotron. Metal + Mellotron = New Purchase for Me.

Needs more doublebass? nay! needs more Mellotron.

]]> By: Glenn http://www.metalsucks.net/2010/02/02/opeth-black-sabbath-and-enslaved-get-mello-you-should-too/#comment-398214 Glenn Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:48:30 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=28843#comment-398214 I don't agree that the Mellotron "invented" sampling as it's understood through rap and electronic dance music. The sounds being reproduced by the Mellotron are not significant in and of themselves the way rap producers sample specific song snippets or beats that have specific cultural resonances and then manipulate those snippets to comment on or recontextualize those resonances. The string sound being played back on a Mellotron is not culturally specific enough to be have resonances of its own beyond its mere existence. For its first practitioners, the Mellotron was a technological means to a very simple end: you can't have a string orchestra on stage with you at the club so you buy a Mellotron. However, with contemporary groups like Opeth, the *sound* of the Mellotron's recorded strings is itself culturally resonant, and their use of the Mellotron is a tool to give those songs a distinct historical, or creaky, patina. This isn't to say that Opeth is "sampling" the Mellotron since they're interested in it in its most historically pure state, not for how they can manipulate it for aesthetic reasons. I don’t agree that the Mellotron “invented” sampling as it’s understood through rap and electronic dance music. The sounds being reproduced by the Mellotron are not significant in and of themselves the way rap producers sample specific song snippets or beats that have specific cultural resonances and then manipulate those snippets to comment on or recontextualize those resonances. The string sound being played back on a Mellotron is not culturally specific enough to be have resonances of its own beyond its mere existence. For its first practitioners, the Mellotron was a technological means to a very simple end: you can’t have a string orchestra on stage with you at the club so you buy a Mellotron.

However, with contemporary groups like Opeth, the *sound* of the Mellotron’s recorded strings is itself culturally resonant, and their use of the Mellotron is a tool to give those songs a distinct historical, or creaky, patina. This isn’t to say that Opeth is “sampling” the Mellotron since they’re interested in it in its most historically pure state, not for how they can manipulate it for aesthetic reasons.

]]> By: Devon Czekaj http://www.metalsucks.net/2010/02/02/opeth-black-sabbath-and-enslaved-get-mello-you-should-too/#comment-398190 Devon Czekaj Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:11:38 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=28843#comment-398190 I love mellotrons, I've been meaning to buy this. I love mellotrons, I’ve been meaning to buy this.

]]> By: Corey Mitchell http://www.metalsucks.net/2010/02/02/opeth-black-sabbath-and-enslaved-get-mello-you-should-too/#comment-398172 Corey Mitchell Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:53:52 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=28843#comment-398172 Oops, looks like Ian beat me to it. Oops, looks like Ian beat me to it.

]]> By: Corey Mitchell http://www.metalsucks.net/2010/02/02/opeth-black-sabbath-and-enslaved-get-mello-you-should-too/#comment-398171 Corey Mitchell Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:53:18 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=28843#comment-398171 http://www.bazillionpoints.com/?p=438 http://www.bazillionpoints.com/?p=438

]]> By: Corey Mitchell http://www.metalsucks.net/2010/02/02/opeth-black-sabbath-and-enslaved-get-mello-you-should-too/#comment-398168 Corey Mitchell Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:52:42 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=28843#comment-398168 That cracked me up, too! It's shows up even more in the movie. That cracked me up, too! It’s shows up even more in the movie.

]]> By: Ian Christe http://www.metalsucks.net/2010/02/02/opeth-black-sabbath-and-enslaved-get-mello-you-should-too/#comment-398167 Ian Christe Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:52:33 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=28843#comment-398167 I like the way you think! http://www.mellodramadvd.com I like the way you think!

http://www.mellodramadvd.com

]]> By: Paul Pickens http://www.metalsucks.net/2010/02/02/opeth-black-sabbath-and-enslaved-get-mello-you-should-too/#comment-398166 Paul Pickens Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:50:27 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=28843#comment-398166 the stormtrooper helmet at 1:54 is fucking awesome. the stormtrooper helmet at 1:54 is fucking awesome.

]]> By: Discipleofthewatch http://www.metalsucks.net/2010/02/02/opeth-black-sabbath-and-enslaved-get-mello-you-should-too/#comment-398140 Discipleofthewatch Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:29:12 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=28843#comment-398140 MetalSuckistan! I love it. MetalSuckistan! I love it.

]]> By: Benito http://www.metalsucks.net/2010/02/02/opeth-black-sabbath-and-enslaved-get-mello-you-should-too/#comment-398116 Benito Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:39:25 +0000 http://www.metalsucks.net/?p=28843#comment-398116 only one question, where can I buy it? only one question, where can I buy it?

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