L O S T WITH AS I LAY DYING’S NICK HIPA: FATE VS. FREE WILL

Tuesday, February 16th, 2010 at 5:00pm by

Greetings metal maniacs and L O S T enthusiasts,

I hope everyone had a rad past week and, for those of you who are into it, were able to watch “What Kate Does.” It wasn’t nearly as action packed or blatantly informative as “LA X”, but still there are some interesting occurrences worth discussing.

Fate vs. Freewill has been one of the central themes of this show since the get go. The introduction of the flash-sideways timeline is, at surface level, supposed to show us what life would have been like if the plane never crashed. The notion of fate, though, is becoming increasingly more “the point” as we are seeing the main characters fulfilling the destinies intended for them by (or at least on) the Island. From Ethan’s involvement with Claire’s pregnancy, to Kate being present when she initially goes into labor, to Locke’s potential “healing” via his encounter (and possible operation) with paralysis-reversing-surgeon Jack, we are seeing similar parallels to the timeline on the island. We haven’t actually been given any EXACT consistencies, however, just a bunch of “very-similars” to keep us guessing. On a side note, the woman who was assumed to adopt Claire’s baby was named Lindsey Baskum, which super nerds have decoded as an anagram meaning “Used by Malkins.” Richard Malkin was the psychic who played an extremely crucial role in getting Claire on the original Oceanic Flight 815. His involvement in this timeline is unknown for now, but the connection is worth mentioning just in case it gets the wheels turning for any of you.

If the flash-sideways timeline delves into fate, then I’m thinking the current happenings on the Island will explore the idea of freewill. The standout event that I’m using as the crux of my argument is Dogen’s (the asian dude that looks like Lo Pan) claim to Jack that the resurrected “Sayid” has to chose to swallow the poison pill; his infection cannot be remedied any other way. Some speculation has been made that the significance of this interaction between the two is to test Jack as a potential new leader for the Others, but I think it highly unlikely. We know there are rules that require loopholes in obtaining a certain end within this yet-to-be-defined-conflict, so perhaps manipulating the Infected Sayid into ingesting poison is a loophole in the rules. Furthermore, by establishing that Sayid is now “claimed,” we can be sure that not only are there two sides, but that there are multiple agents of BOTH (Jacob and the Others vs. Nemesis and the Infected).

I do not think that Infected Sayid is Nemesis Dude; Nemesis as Smokey can manifest itself into the likeness of the dead, but never occupies their actual bodies. The clearest and most recent apparition of a non-dead-body-occupying Smokey is in the form of False Metal Locke. We see him interact with others, possess the visage of the real Locke, and even physically pummel Richard Alpert, all while the original physical body lay in his casket. What that means, then, is that there is another element of/from the Island doing the infecting and that it is a kindred spirit to Nemesis Dude. I base my assumption on the fact that ash was used to detect it (yet it did not yield the same results as with Smokey), and also that the infection itself is deemed bad by the Others (who are on Jacob’s side).

The infection (or sickness) is an older mystery that is beginning to be chipped away at here, with our first introduction of it being Rousseau’s retelling of her entire team being taken over by it. As we saw thanks to Jin’s injection into Rousseau’s 1988 timeline, the three members who were not actually murdered by Smokey emerged from his lair “changed.” Danielle’s standoff with Robert after killing the other two literally sick dudes, is the only thing we have to gauge the effect being infected has upon the “claimed.” From their interaction, it is observed that the infected have their full mental capacity (Robert reasoning with Rousseau that Smokey is just a security system), are cunning (after convincing Rousseau to lower her gun, Robert attempted to shoot her with his rifle), and are still mortal (after recognizing Robert’s deception and attempt to kill her, Rousseau shoots him in the head). Dogen’s explanation of the infection is as a darkness growing that spreads to the heart, thus consuming all of that infected individual. All of Danielle’s team remained the same in likeness and coherence, but something of their nature had fundamentally changed, making them murderous and worthy of being murdered. My shot in the dark guess is that being infected transforms the fundamental core of one’s innate humanity (Jacob) into something that is more in tune and in conjunction with the actual essence of the Island (Nemesis). This makes sense to me in relation to the black vs. white battle that we are seeing, and hopefully the re-introduction of Claire on the Island (who we know is infected as well) will shed more light on the topic.

According to the previews for this week’s episode “The Substitute” at 9/8c tonight; questions will be answered, mysteries will be unraveled, and secrets will be revealed. There’s a thirty second sneak peak which shows False Locke claiming to Sawyer that he can answer the question as to why they’re all there; though I am almost certain this will not be happening concisely, I look forward to picking apart and analyzing this week’s clues with everyone in the week to come!

-NH

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  • Double D

    I still haven’t read any of these stupid fucking things. Lost? Seriously? Fuck…

    • two snakes

      Yes, seriously.

    • SP420

      This just…isn’t the site for it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aaron-Camp/885315541 Aaron Camp

        Keep scrolling when you see it. Go bitch about something worthwhile.

        • SP420

          Nope, I’m content right here pissing people like you off, thanks.

      • Tonberry

        Meh, if I wanted straight news, I’d go to lambgoat. Of all the metal blogs, this is definitely the site for this.

  • Matty O’Shea

    Thanks for the reminder on the “sickness” infecting the French team in 1988. I’m also interested in knowing if Rousseau was eventually infected, or if she just went crazy from having her daughter taken by young Ben and Ethan. I would imagine Dogen and Lennon (Dogen’s sidekick who, appropriately, looks just like John Lennon) know what they’re talking about, but they also seem to be cut from the same manipulating cloth as a former Others leader, one Benjamin Linus. I don’t think they have said anything totally untrue to anybody (except for when Lennon told Sayid “You passed. *pause* I just lied to him, didn’t I?”), they just like to avoid answering any big questions, except to those they deem worthy (like Jack, for some reason).

    I saw another preview of Jack flipping out on Hurley in the temple and screaming “I want to know why my name is on that list!” and breaking some sort of glass, perhaps the hourglass that they used to time Sayid’s “baptism.” I don’t know if that preview scene is from tonight’s episode or not, but I’ll be very interested to see where this temple shit is going in relation to the flash-sideways stuff (which I love; reminds me a lot of the season 1 character building stuff. I think tonight is Locke’s flash-sideways, so to see more of Troo Metal Locke will be refreshing.)

    • Nick

      Haha Troo Metal Locke! That rules. Yeah I’m looking forward to seeing more of his character too, as I am not very much into Kate centric episodes.

      I read a thread on the abc L O S T forum (http://abc.go.com/shows/lost/discuss?cat=33026&tid=793847&tsn=1) discussing a “Mirrors Theory” that goes into the same exact thing you saw in the preview of Jack breaking glass. I haven’t seen that preview yet, but the discussion on that thread is pretty interesting and sensical for the most part!

  • two snakes

    Hey Nick, have you checked out The Wire yet? :)
    And ontopic: So stoked for tonights episode. I bet you 100 interwebs that the crazy flying camera shots from the promo are actually The Smoke Monster/FLocke on his way to Dharma Ville, seen through his/it’s eyes.

    • Nick

      Hey two snakes,

      I’ve been meaning to get to The Wire recently but haven’t had the chance really. I haven’t heard a single bad thing about the show either (other then it being kinda slow), so the next free chance I get I’m going to start!

      I didn’t really think about the flying camera shots until you said something, but yeah it does look as if it could be Smokey’s view of cruising the island! Good catch on that one, it makes me even more pumped for tonight’s show!

      • two snakes

        Ha, I just watched the episode. Where can I collect my 100 interwebs? :D

        • Nick

          I’ll paypal it too you haha

          • Nick

            *to

  • Kuranes

    A friend of mine’s a recurring extra on this show. I still have never seen a single episode though.

  • ~Ja5oN~

    To all the Tr0lls leaving off topic messages on this thread, why even bother? I mean seriously?
    You want to piss & moan, tell it to Reader’s Digest or something. Speech is silver, but silence is golden!

  • Devilinside3x6

    Hey Nick, sorry to write a non-Lost comment here ( I loved the first two seasons though)…but don’t know when I would get a chance to ask you a question.

    I’m in the Air Force and stationed at Peterson AFB in Colorado Springs. Last year I saw a woman working out at the gym who was wearing an As I Lay Dying shirt. I said,”Hey that’s a good band I just saw them in Denver this year.” She said that she was the aunt of one of the band members and I think she indicated it was you.

    So I guess this is more of a statement than a question…I either met your aunt or someone who is impersonating your aunt! Keep making good music! (I got the Shadows Are Security moon tattooed on my arm last year)

    • Nick

      Dude that was in fact my Aunt! She’s a Colonel over there and does something with Space Command… not sure what though.

      Stoked you went with the moon! That’s my favorite album cover Jake’s done!

  • Bicro

    Nick you are a stand-up dude. Respect.

    Still, I don’t watch Lost.

  • Justin Sane

    i’ll come back to this in a bit, haven’t watched the new episodes yet, but i think it’ll be cool to see if your ideas and theories pan out. i’ll have to get on the ball and watch em when they come out so i can come on here and talk shit about em with nick. it’s always fun to see an intelligent metal guy anywhere on the internet. someone that can say more than, that band sucks cause they do and you’re gay for liking them….

    and nick, when you’ve got time, do check the wire. i don’t watch too much tv since i spend my limited free time on stuff that’s good, but the wire is pretty special. some people have said it starts a bit slow, but i think they’ve said that because they couldn’t connect with how raw it is. it’s not super flashy, and people talk like people actually talk, but i find that one of the best reasons to like it!

    • Nick

      Thanks a lot Justin for checking out the column! Its cool to see a lot of people here on a metal blog being interested and engaging in off-topic discussion.

      I’m really looking forward to getting into the Wire! I have the patience to sit through slower stuff as I’ve found that a lot of tv/film with the most interesting character arcs and story lines tend to take a while to develop!

  • ~Ja5oN~

    I had a long drawn out “crackpot theory” but it was turning into a theological discussion more than anything. Anywho just wanted to point out a few things from tonight’s episode of “The Substitute”. First thing was about Man in Black a.k.a. “Nemesis Dude” once in the cave he picks up the white rock from the scales and throws it into the ocean. <~~(could signify a shift in balance, Jacob is white rock & MiB is black rock… i.e. good vs evil) Also the numbers next to the names not crossed out are all the same in Hugo's cursed lotto numbers. Jarrah 16, Kwon 42, Reyes 8, Locke 4, Sheppard 23, Ford 15.

    • ~Ja5oN~

      Also just wanted to mention that an upcoming show/episode of Lost is called Ab Aeterno which in Latin means “since the beginning of time”.

  • ~Ja5oN~

    After watching tonight’s episode of “The Substitute” I’ve came up with my own “crackpot theory” of Lost. It’s about Good vs Evil/Fate vs Free will. Jacob is for free will while other guy (Nemesis Dude/Man in Black) is for Fate.( i.e. scales in the cave with one white rock & one black rock being balanced, MiB throws the white rock to signify that the balance has shifted)  There is a game or wager between the two for mankind and or the island dwellers. Perhaps very similar to the war between God & Lucifer. To illustrate my point and delve a little deeper I’ll start with the fact that out of all animals only humans has a conscious. We are self-aware of our actions. This gift was bestowed upon us from a “higher power”..(incert your Gods name here)  That being said, Jacob & MIB sees mankind as inherently flawed (original sin) These two “omnipotent beings” are having a chest game between each other and the islanders/losties are but mere pawns in the grand scheme of things. (the island is the chest board) Jacob sees that mankind although flawed is compassionate & loving. Man in Black sees mankind as alway destructive & bellicose. It’s the age old fight of good verses evil or perhaps yin & yang. Hope I haven’t lost (no pun intended) you/anyone yet in my analysis.

    • Tonberry

      I don’t even know if most of this is even so much theory anymore as it is fact, since they’ve basically all but spelled out a lot this by now. The real mystery is the nature of the game, which I think we’ll be learning next week. Also, something that I love about this all- remember at the beginning of Season 1, when Walt first met Locke and he explained backgammon?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg2tB_xTt9I

      They’re tying it all together now.

      • Nick

        Whoa I totally overlooked Locke referencing the history and age of the game itself! 5,000 years dating back to Mesopotamia! That’s really interesting stuff considering the statue of Tawaret is a blatant indication that ancient Egypt (or at least it’s traditions/beliefs/culture) is a piece to the puzzle.

  • Strapping Young Lad

    oMG u guys see when the polar bear attacked??? SCAAAAAAAAARYYY!!!!!!

    …but seriously, i got some catching up to do…. i haven’t watched since season 3…. which kinda sucked.

    …. but i heard it got better!! keep doing these blogs, i like em!!

  • Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt

    East Bound and Down.

  • Tirith

    I just finished watching this week’s episode online, and it was amazing. What’s interesting is that a lot of it had to do with the fate vs. freewill issues that you mentioned in this column. For example, Locke told Sawyer that Jacob manipulated him so that choices Sawyer made were never really choices. And throughout the episode, Locke consistently tries to fight his fated disability, arguing that he can’t be told “what he can’t do.”

    I remember many people were discussing the whole fate vs. free will issue on the forums during season 5 after Faraday suggested we had the ability to change our destinies. One idea is that fate and free will aren’t mutually exclusive at all; it might just so happen that in various alternative universes, we exercise free will and nevertheless end up with the same outcomes. The similar outcomes give the illusion of inevitable destiny, but really we had exercised free will all along. The lines between free will and fate get pretty muddled here.

    This also brings up the idea of “course correction” that Eloise Hawking introduced in Season 3′s Flashes Before Your Eyes. I was always pretty skeptical about that idea, although probably because of personal bias toward free will. I wonder if course correction will be reintroduced in this last season and applied to the alternative universes. Perhaps this will somehow connect the alternative universe to the 2007 on-island one. There must be some kind of connection between the two universes; I highly doubt that the writers are introducing a new universe JUST to show a “what if” scenario. There has to be a connection. (I have no idea what, though).

    What’s interesting is that in this week’s episode, we didn’t see a number assigned to Kate written in the cave. Yet all the other characters’ names were there. Anyway, I wonder if Aaron is a possible candidate. I actually had a theory since season 4 that Jacob was looking for someone to be the next “guardian” of the island; it turns out that I was close to right, except for the fact that I thought the candidate would be Aaron. I’m still sure that Aaron has to be of much more significance than what we’ve seen.

    Thanks also for the bit you wrote on the sickness; I totally missed the connection to Rousseau’s team. Thanks also for taking the time to not only write this column but to read and reference other theories on a variety of Lost forums. I’m quite impressed!

    I’m looking forward to the next episode AND the next AILD album!