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EXCLUSIVE PREMIER: DALLAS COYLE’S “GENETIC”

Thursday, February 25th, 2010 at 2:45pm by

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Dallas Coyle left God Forbid over a year ago, but the guy’s certainly not been short on musical output during his time away from the scene. From time to time Dallas sends us songs in various stages of completion ranging from demos to full-on productions to gauge our thoughts; of those, his latest project, dubbed Genetic, is by far our favorite. Check out the exclusive premier of the Genetic track “The Master Key” below, then listen to a few more on the Genetic MySpace page.

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  • Me

    I’m a huge GF fan so I’m trying to like it, but it’s kind of messy sounding and a little hard to listen to.

    • http://dmxrr15@hotmail.com IsntaTOTALdouchebag10

      Yeah I agree. Seems kind of mashed up, too much going on at once. Not enjoying the vocals much at all.

  • Horeshine

    It’s been over a year already?? Holy shit now that’s scary..

  • The Overmatt

    I really like this. Kinda different but has some good hooks.

  • Kevlard

    This almost blows as much as your blog entries Dallas.

  • Matthew Grant Anson

    I like this.

  • WetBiscut

    This sounds like a really bad God Forbid song. I thought Dallas wasn’t into metal anymore?

  • iolanach

    God Forbid is mediocre. But this? BAD.

  • GOJoe

    God Forbid vs Meshuggah? can’t be anything but TOTAL WIN! long live the Coyles \m/

  • Kevin C

    I look forward to the Metal Sucks 5 star review.

    • builtforsin

      There was no “djent” in the songs, so no5 stars. I mean, maybe there was, but I stopped listening after a few seconds.

  • Sven

    Shambolic. Corny. Bad.

  • I’m not racst, but I hate Oceano

    Sounds kinda Crack the Skyeish. I dig it.

    • Chris D.

      The vocals definitely do. It’s a shame, too, because the chords are cool.

  • http://thenumberoftheblog.wordpress.com/ groverXIII

    It was okay, I guess… but the vocals really kind of ruined it for me. It didn’t sound like God Forbid, really, which is a pity as I might have liked it more.

    Come on, Dallas… you’re capable of doing better, regardless of what the trolls say.

  • Honeynutzz

    It sounds like there is a really good song in there somewhere, just has to much crap piled on top of it. The vocals sound really forced like you’re trying to hard to separate yourself from the GF days.

  • Ziltoid

    The vocals are atrocious, and everything else sounds REALLY unfocused and pathetic. And dammit, that did not need to be 8 minutes long.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Acerra/508945856 Michael Acerra

    I love Dallas’ voice as a secondary thing. This band needs a dedicated singer PRONTO, and then I’ll be really fucking excited about it.

  • Jizzmaster3000

    Sorry, but I really couldn’t get past that snare sound. You could torture for me for information with the sound of that snare, maybe it’s just how it’s rendered in that little player thing, but damn.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brandon-Simmons/502123647 Brandon Simmons

    I would assume that this is a rough version of the song… even saying that though, it wouldn’t help much to “clean” the vocals up. As far as the music, it has a 90′s feel. I don’t dislike it, but I wouldn’t choose to listen to it either. That symbol “ring” is absolutely annoying.

  • Nickmeister

    i liked it too, but the drums were really trying too hard and i’m not keen on his voice at all -never have been.

  • http://infinitybasement.tumblr.com Jon Lewis

    Sounds cool Dallas! Keep on keepin’ on!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tim-Shanks/1273561133 Tim Shanks

    Drum Programming on this pure shit. You can tell its programmed by someone who doesnt play drums well. And the mixing is horrible on the cymbals.

  • Art Weingartner

    This is by far the BEST work this clown has sent in to you? W-O-W.

  • DidgeryDo

    I won’t lie and say I followed this for the entire eight minutes but I think it shows promise.

    An image of Eminem flashed in my head, “Where’s my snare? I got no snare up in these headphones.”

    Turn that snare the fuck up Dallas!

    • DidgeryDo

      I was being sarcastic about the snare btw. Ouch my ears.

  • Kevin

    Holy Shit! THis is sooo bad, just listened to it all the way through. Dallas, you may want to consider looking for other work.

  • Elpants

    It sucks.

    Stop making music, the world’s ears will thank you for it.

  • GoingDeaf?

    Does Dallas know you’re posting his rough (hopefully!) demo for the world to hear? This is the type of mix you only give to your fellow bandmates or to a producer as a demo…not to anyone else. Has Dallas had his hearing checked? The high end on the cymbals almost set the tweeters in my monitors on fire. I’m assuming he did this on his own…if he paid someone to work on this he got ripped off.

    I don’t really hear it, but there may be a song in there somewhere if it were flushed out by a good producer…this just sounds amateur. Bad programming, horrid mix, over-crowded arrangement. Usually the signs of a kid who just got his first cracked version of Cubase and decided he could do it all on his own. Unfortunately, you can’t. Reality is a bitch.

  • Kevin

    Just the fact that vince and axl would post this and claim it to be anything other than shit speaks volumes about how far up Dallas’s ass they are.

    Guys, there are better musicians to suck up to.

  • Dallas

    Thanks for being a part of the experiment. I got the results I was looking for. On to other things now kids.

  • Dallas
    • SonOF

      Dallas, it seems, from this article, that you wanted GF to evolve and move in a different direction after “Constitution,” but wasn’t “Earthsblood” that, at least to some degree? I felt like although it wasn’t COMPLETELY different, the band did plenty of different, more experimental things on “Earthsblood.” Was it that you wanted more dramatic changes more quickly, rather then being part of a more natural evolution/progression? You stated that you wanted to make a record like “White Pony”…don’t you think if the band evolved from “Constitution” to “Earthsblood” that they could have gotten where you wanted, maybe two albums later?

      • Dallas

        I don’t think so. I didn’t mean literally like White Pony. I meant dropping the traditional thrash sound altogether. It bores the shit out of me. My vision was to go in the direction Gojira was doing before I even heard them…

        More groove, less ‘obvious metal thrashery’ and more innovation.

  • Kevin

    The results you were looking for was to make a really shitty song and have everyone dismiss it as garbage? Well done sir.

  • Dallas

    Yes, Kevin. That was the goal. Who are you again?

    • Bicro

      Dude, you don’t know Kevin?

      Kevin is the shit!

    • Kevin

      I’m a random college student on the east coast.

      And you are a random ex-gutairist from some random metal band no one gives a shit about.

      But the new stuff sounds awesome dude!!!

  • evilfatguy

    I was never a fan of God Forbid, but I do find this interesting…
    The mix is terrible, but I’m sure everyone knows that.

  • Justin Sane

    Dallas, I really like gf, and liked what you added to the band as a “second vocalist”. it helped mix up the sound so it didnt all blend together. This stuff though, is so not up to snuff compared to even the worst gf song. It’s a bit unfocused, and seems to be way to stonery and into it’s self to let anyone in. It sounds very “basementy”. there’s some promise to some of the riffs and vocal lines, but there’s no constant melody, riff wise or vocal wise to grab onto. even when you’re singing the chorus type stuff, you’re hitting different notes every time you do it. i think you need a partner/producer to reel you in/ keep it grounded and focused/ help you stay on key and on track with song structure.

    i know everyone like their shit, and claims that others might not get it, but this stuff is too disjointed. i’m not tryin to be a dick, only to offer my opinion, but I expected more from you man…

    • Dallas

      I don’t need a partner/producer or anything like that. Every person who ever LOVED god forbid is not going to get it. But a lot of people do get it. I knew 80% of the people here wouldn’t. And I’m fine with that. I actually counted on it. I’ve moved on from the predictable music that everyone (most) here listen to. For the most part what you guys here love and latch on to naturally doesn’t become successful in the way I see bands as being successful. So your gauge of what’s shit and what isn’t is my gauge for whats successful and what isn’t.

      I know what’s in store for this project and I already know what my demographic is. And it’s not the metalsucks crowd. The response has proven something I already know. Axl and Vince did me a favor. They aren’t kissing ass.

      The funny thing is a lot of people have responded strongly in the opposite direction. They love it. They like my voice more than anything about the project when people here hate it more than anything. This project will always be me and I’ll never have another creative person involved. So you’re stuck with me.

      As far as the mix is concerned, that’s how I want it. Love it or leave it. I don’t need to spoon feed you guys the vision of the project. Love it or leave it. It’s not that hard.

      How about this? You guys send in your music and i’ll do the taste test?

      • SonOF

        “I know what’s in store for this project and I already know what my demographic is. And it’s not the metalsucks crowd.”

        I think you are really unfairly lumping all of the posters here into one “demographic.” There are all kinds of people here with all kinds of tastes that vary all over the landscape of heavy music as well as beyond.

      • http://infinitybasement.tumblr.com Jon Lewis

        Fuckin’ eh dude. Fuck all the haters, do your thing!

      • Kevin

        Do you actually think this is going to be successful? I’ll give you a hint, it won’t be. Just because we all like metal does not mean we can’t gauge quality, regardless of the genre.

        and the drums sound like shit btw

        • Lorenzo

          Ok straight up all I hear are excuses.

          “Well this isn’t for you guys”

          “Oh this was just an experiment”

          If this isn’t for us then why are you posting it here?

          • Justin Sane

            yeah, all you took away from my comment Dallas is that i was talking shit, when i clearly stated i wasn’t. what you’re making is not ready for any type of consumption. the vocal are erratic and sound like they’re were kept after a few takes since you didn’t want to do too many and piss off the boss lady who’s in the other room watching the kid. everything sounds rushed and of poor TONAL quality. it sounds like me and my buddy got wrecked, threw together a few tracks after just learning to program drums, and got my lil brother to sing some shit on it, but he forgot the vocal melody i gave him, so every time it sounds a bit different. clean it up man, you know this!

            yes we’re not the audience for just about anything. but i love clean vocals, and hate this new trend of /death shit where all the songs sound the same and the singer is unintelligible! maybe i am what you’re looking for in an audience, but i still like shit that sounds good. you can write better songs than this man, we’ve seen it. it doesnt have to sound like gf to sound good, but it still needs to be good.

            i hope you actually read this and see that not everyone here is a shit talker. i’d like to see you/anyone succeed since i want new music to listed to. hell, take lamb of god for example. no one could really latch on to those guys til ashes, simply because you could hear the talent was there, but the production of those cd’s were soooo shitty, that you couldnt rock that in your car/house cause it sounded like someone put an old 4 track in their basement and hit record. were not all shit talkers, just sayin that we know you can do better than this… basement metal.

      • http://www.demonpigeon.com dan

        Oh lordy.

  • americanfckinghatred

    Not a fan. Ill stick with god forbid.

  • WowWee!

    Keep it up. This is not bad at all.

  • http://schenkeltown.blogspot.com SchenkelTown

    considering this was posted on myspace several days ago…. THIS IS NOT EXCLUSIVE

  • SonOF

    Vocals sound Alice in Chains-ish in spots.

    I think of the Legend of Zelda when I think of the “master key,” but I guess I’m thinking of the master sword.

    Pretty interesting, although about 2 minutes too long.

  • Skanes

    And the award for “worst possible use of the Drumkit From Hell software” goes to…

    • Zee

      Yeah. Looks like there’s a few people who can use it properly, like Misha from Periphery or Fred Thordendal. Most of other records made with it counting pretty cool things from Cloudkicker or Devin Townsend have that annoying snappy snare and general trebliness all over them.

      • Skanes

        Misha is the god of editing and Fred straight up made DFH. Devin knew what he was doing on Ziltoid and I haven’t heard anything from Cloudkicker. After The Burial was pretty good at using it but they put too much emphasis on the bass drum and it ended up sounding, for lack of a better word, robotic.

        A common mistake people make, and it sounds like Dallas made it to, is that they use the rim shot instead of the actual snare hit. Either that or he cranked the snare volume to fucking 11.

        • Dallas

          it’s funny cause other people are complaining the snare is too low. I don’t care too much about production. I just want to hear the songs the way I want them to sound.

          • Skanes

            Word.

  • Fong Chung

    This is complete fucking garbage, and sounds like Rob Zombie meets God Forbid. Wow Dallas likes shitty generic music! I mean shit this will give him 2 seconds of fame, and then of course we all know he is gonna go away lol. Oh well you atleast please the tools that run this site. They’ll eat it up anything shitty on here, and that is of generic sounding bullshit.

  • West Virginia

    damn you guys are being harsh. not like it sounds like converge or something

    not what I was expecting but thats a good thing i guess. i like that Dr song on the myspace. needs more guitar work but thats just my preference.

  • Justin Sane

    just in case you didn’t see this up there, i really want you to read this and realize some of us aren’t insta-hating.

    yeah, all you took away from my comment Dallas is that i was talking shit, when i clearly stated i wasn’t. what you’re making is not ready for any type of consumption. the vocal are erratic and sound like they’re were kept after a few takes since you didn’t want to do too many and piss off the boss lady who’s in the other room watching the kid. everything sounds rushed and of poor TONAL quality. it sounds like me and my buddy got wrecked, threw together a few tracks after just learning to program drums, and got my lil brother to sing some shit on it, but he forgot the vocal melody i gave him, so every time it sounds a bit different. clean it up man, you know this!

    yes we’re not the audience for just about anything. but i love clean vocals, and hate this new trend of /death shit where all the songs sound the same and the singer is unintelligible! maybe i am what you’re looking for in an audience, but i still like shit that sounds good. you can write better songs than this man, we’ve seen it. it doesnt have to sound like gf to sound good, but it still needs to be good.

    i hope you actually read this and see that not everyone here is a shit talker. i’d like to see you/anyone succeed since i want new music to listed to. hell, take lamb of god for example. no one could really latch on to those guys til ashes, simply because you could hear the talent was there, but the production of those cd’s were soooo shitty, that you couldnt rock that in your car/house cause it sounded like someone put an old 4 track in their basement and hit record. were not all shit talkers, just sayin that we know you can do better than this… basement metal.

    • Dallas

      Chris sent me the first LOG album before it hit stores and I knew it was going to big. Everyone claimed pantera clone but I turned a lot of people on to it and told them to watch out. So that band always had it. It didn’t click on As The Palaces Burn. It was clicking. Another thing: Genetic is different and that’s why cats hate it. Exactly what I was looking for, especially here. I’ve already done better with these first batch of songs by the standards of metal. By my standards this shit I let you hear is only the beginning. I make this music for myself. I only asked Axl and Vince to stream the song cause it was time to let people know about it.

      Also, people want it to sound like GF from the response I’ve seen. What I’m doing has already received the positive feedback from people that don’t listen to the metal infecting the ‘scene’. I hate the scene. If this is anti-scene than I’m more than happy about the scene crying about it.

      And again, Genetic will never change. I will always be singing. I will always be playing all the instruments. If anyone wants another singer, find another band. What I’ve put here I’m 100% happy with and I think it’s worth everyone’s time. You don’t dig it. Move on. But I’m not making excuses or apologizing for the music I want to make. It’s what it is. Listen to all the songs then move on if it doesn’t move you. Agree to disagree then.

      And Justin Sane, don’t mention my kids, my boss lady or anything like that. You don’t know how, when or where I write my music. You don’t know who or if i’m with anyone. Keep the personal shit out of it. It has nothing to do with what you’re commenting on.

      You think it’s disjointed and basement metal? good cause there are a majority of people out there who think it’s unique and what metal needs right now. To each his own. So again, agree to disagree?

      • SonOF

        “Genetic is different and that’s why cats hate it. ”

        What if they dislike it just because they don’t think it is good? I don’t understand your logic here. Do you really think if someone actually doesn’t like your stuff it has to be because they are close-minded and expecting something else? I can understand that it sounds different from GF, so you may expect fans of GF not to be into it (that is also unfortunately assuming that GF fans only like one style), but a lot of the people commenting aren’t GF fans, or GF haters for that matter. There are plenty of people here that have broad and diverse taste in metal (and beyond) who love things that are new, different and unique; not everyone wants to hear the same shit over and over.

        Personally I am a fan of GF, but was not expecting something that sounded like GF (especially because you and the people at MS kept saying it was SO different from GF), I was listening with a completely open mind. I thought it was decent and interesting, but not particularly memorable (something I wanted to hear more of ASAP), but that isn’t because I “didn’t get it” or something. I think you are either really underestimating people or else putting yourself up on a ridiculous pedestal if you think that anyone that dislikes this project does so because they “don’t get it”/ don’t want something different. I can see why you would ignore the people that are straight hating on you/attacking you (for reasons not necessarily dealing with the music), but some people are just offering honest opinions/constructive criticism and you are getting defensive as hell and/or writing off their opinion because they “don’t get it.”

  • Kevin

    I love that response by Dallas, “this isn’t for you! I have a top 40 crossover hit here!”

    Sure ya do Dallas! Keep reaching for that rainbow.

    you might also want to pick up an application at starbucks when you get a chance.

    • Dallas

      I would respect your position if you even had the balls to post a link to who you are. But you don’t. At least some who don’t dig it have a facebook link or something.

      • Kevin

        Uhh Sorry? I don’t have a facebook or twitter, they seem like enormous wastes of time. If you’d like my life story I’d be happy to tell you. My name is Kevin Macken and I go to college near rochester ny. I’m 22, and used to like God Forbid in the determination/reject the sickness days, before they started attempting to slow down their sound and write actual songs. That would be fine, but I don’t think any of you guys had the song writing chops to pull off any strong or memorable vocal hooks.

        My favorite color is green! That’s my life story pal. I look forward to the Genetic stadium tour!

        • Dallas

          Tell me what the most popular song is off of Reject The Sicnkess.

          • Kevin

            Wtf lol? I don’t even know what to say to that. None of the songs were “popular”, if you want to split hairs. The band wasn’t huge, but you did your own thing and had a good following. I wasn’t aware of any track getting significant air play, but my personal favorite was either the title track or Ashes of Humanity.

            Not sure what else to say. So I’ll just repeat, as it seems like you were responsible in the changing sound of God Forbid, if your going to slow down your sound and go for a big, memorable chorus, make sure you can actually write a decent, memorable hook.

        • Dallas
          • Lorenzo

            You’re a really defensive guy.

  • Ben

    Dallas, I am far from falling in lockstep with the point of view that many on this site have when it comes to what’s ok to do in metal and what’s not. I don’t trash bands simply because they become famous, I don’t fall in love with bands due to their level of “underground”ness, I don’t follow or avoid trends because of how they are viewed by other metalheads.

    That being said, in all honesty, I think there’s potential here but, frankly, you’re not a vocalist. That’s what stands out to me as the part that is simply not working. Second to that, I can understand you mixing it how you like it but the mix IS bad. I have limited production experience and even I could make something sound more cohesive than this. If this were “in the works” that would be one thing but you’re saying this is completed. As is, it does sound like basement metal.

    Finally, if you’re going for “different’ if you have gotten sick of where the metal scene is at and want to buck the trends, then do it. This still sounds like you’ve still got 1 foot in GF and 1 foot trying something new. If you’re pushing for revolutionary, you haven’t hit it. That’s not to say that you couldn’t at some point but don’t get all defensive and swear up and down that anyone who doesn’t like this has some malfunction. That’s simply not the case. Sure, there’s going to be plenty of people who just won’t accept anything outside of their own little box. But when you get defensive and accuse anyone who doesn’t like your work as only feeling that way because they are in a little box themselves you’re in one yourself.

  • Justin Sane

    dude… way you’re way too defensive about this shit to actually be happy with how it turned out. sorry man, i was tryin to be cool before and offer you my thoughts, but i’m gonna have to be straight blunt now, cause you sound like one of those douche nozzles that think they can be trent and play and sing everything on the record, but you just cant pull it off.

    the reason i said i liked your music in the past is cause it was good, and usually well written. the rain came up randomly on my ipod at work today, and i still said “you know, even though i used to think dallas was cool, but has now revealed this whiny pretentious side, this is still a pretty damn good song”. regardless of the shift of tone/genre between gf and this new stuff, gf is good cause its good, this is bad cause its bad. plain and simple. i would be embarrassed to show this to anyone, especially the people you have contacts with being in the business.

  • GoingDeaf?

    Sorry dude, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t claim to not care and be above everyone here in one sentence, then proceed to get all butthurt that people didn’t like your self-indulgent music in the next. The “majority” of people you claim think this is revolutionary are either friends or family members.

    The only thing revolutionary about this music was the fact that you made a hi-hat so piercing, razorblades actually flew out of my speakers. To be fair, I actually like some of the guitar work though… so there’s that.

    I support you doing your thing however you see fit, but your arrogant attitude is annoying. Good luck to you.

  • Dallas

    I appreciate all of you checking it out. I’m just passionate about the music. And I do listen to what you say about the production although I disagree about the song content.

    Thanks so much for listening and giving quality feedback.

  • TheNorthlands

    Dallas,

    I would just like to say that I found your link through a friend and although I don’t really know your music or who you are, find this project to be highly intelligent, despite the naysayers (you really don’t know who is going to come in here and listen for real) Genetic is different. It carries a medium along the lines of scores and short film, which from my understanding you are heavily involved with? I’ll have to check that our more. I can see an artist breaking out of a mold, shedding skin and developing what is very much needed in this predictable industry that has unfortunately shit the bed in many ways. If you can still breakaway and have the freedom to do with your music as you so damn wish without feeling held back and confused, then I say you are living the dream! More power to you man. Someone or someone(s) will definitely pick up on this energy and want to work it out with you more to bring it to the levels it deserves. Because being confined to a way of life you no longer feel alive in is pretty much sentencing yourself to zombie mode. A lot of people are waking up these days, so to you I say, welcome to the first day of the rest of your life. I’ll contact you on MySpace to let you know more about me and what I do. Keep it up Dallas, great work!

  • Snakeskin

    Dallas,

    You know I think this shit is brilliant, Brother. As far as the bulk of the negative criticism, let it roll off, man. I dig God Forbid however, we don’t need two God Forbids. I’m always happy to hear something COMPLETELY UNLIKE anything else. Keep up the great work, man!!

  • AP

    I’d just like to point out how fucking awesome it is that the musician and the listeners can have a forum for debate with each other, instead of being so separated like in the past.

    Metalsucks rocks.

  • thegreatadrianing

    completely disagree with what most of the people are saying here.
    it sounds a lot like god forbid in my opinion. i mean sure it’s not a carbon copy of your previous records but it sounds like a natural evolution for the most part and thats what every album has been from you guys so far….
    and it even sounds like you’re channeling corey a bit for the drums.
    either way
    i dig it
    but i’d rather hear it coming out of god forbid
    vocals are pretty good in moat parts and kinda forced in others
    all in all the shits good.
    great riffs but thats not a surprise coming from you
    good song

    • Ben

      So… basically you just called him full of shit in his claims that this is a departure for him?

  • thegreatadrianing

    also
    you are too damn defensive
    if you’re going to put your balls on the line be prepared for a few kicks
    jesus

  • Metalcelt

    You know what’s cool about this song? Err, oh yeah, nothing! This songs blows AIDS infected Bonobo cock.

  • chtimixeur

    Hey Dallas.
    Thanks for the song, but I don’t feel it alt all. It sounds like an 8 minute mess with bad production. It doesn’t feel organic at all, and overall, it just sounds unfocused and quite painful to hear.

    I consider myself a big GF fan (I always keep saying to people how Constitution is the best metal record of the decade), and I liked a few songs of Soul at War. I really don’t understand what you’re trying to achieve with Genetic. This is definitely a band for a niche crowd, and if you want success in the metal genre, you can’t and won’t achieve it with 8 minute borefests.

    Going the White Pony way wouldn’ have been a bad idea after all : you’re good enough to write rock/metal riffs, and your clean voice would have made more sense for this kind of songs.

  • Kevin

    Gotta love whiney musicians. “How dare you not like my basement produced shit metal!??” “Lets see you guys make a song!”

    Can you imagine him touring with this stuff? The 7 people in the audience would be asleep half way through.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rui-Alexandre/654298181 Rui Alexandre

    I’m with headphones and I’m not too fond of the mix.

    I don’t dislike the music, hate me all you want.

    It’s not my favourite thing, everything seems too lost, but it has good potential.

    It’s hard to innovate. Not everybody can try to innovate and succeed. But everybody’s allowed to have a shot.