#10: CANNIBAL CORPSE

Monday, March 15th, 2010 at 5:00pm by

The old cliché goes that genius is the very simple idea that, for whatever reason, no one has ever had before. Assuming that’s true, then Cannibal Corpse are the Albert Einsteins of metal. For these dudes were not, at the beginning, great musicians. They were just some kids from Buffalo who basically listened to thrash and said “We wanna do that, but make it even heavier and more evil-sounding.” And so they did. And simple though it seems (Tomb of the Mutilated might be considered quaint if it were released today) Cannibal Corpse – particularly the original line-up of vocalist Chris Barnes, bassist Alex Webster, drummer Paul Mazurkiewicz, and guitarists Jack Owen and Bob Rusay – are undeniably one of the most influential bands in all of metal history. They are one of the key creators of death metal as we know it. As though he felt the words to Slayer’s “Angel of Death” just weren’t violent enough, Barnes practically invented pure gore as lyrical fodder; he also reinvented his craft (if you can call making it sound like your lungs are having violent diarrhea a “craft”). Producer Scott Burns, who was basically the sixth member of the band for years, obviously deserves his share of the credit for their accomplishments, too. Basically, if you’ve ever enjoyed to pretty much any death metal song ever, you probably owe Cannibal Corpse a handjob.

And that, of course, is precisely the problem.

Without Cannibal Corpse, we might have never suffered through deathcore. (I can’t think of a single deathcore vocalist who doesn’t owe royalties to Barnes.) We certainly wouldn’t have suffered through all the shit that has often passed itself off as good death metal in the years since the Corpse came to prominence. We’d have to spend much less time defending metal in the face of misogynistic, violent, deplorable fantasies that often pass for lyrics.

What’s interesting is that while Cannibal Corpse has continued to evolve – three of the five musicians I just discussed aren’t in the band anymore, and there can be no argument that the subsequent line-ups haven’t significantly upped the bar for songwriting and musicianship – death metal remains stuck in the mud. Every day, someone sends me some unsigned band that they swear are “FUCKIN’ BR00TAL!”, and that are really just trying to do what Cannibal Corpse did twenty years ago. Only they keep getting stupider. Their ability with their instruments is sub-punk rock, which is fine by them, since they just wanna make noise with no sense of structure anyway. And since they’re trying to re-up Barnes’ already really gross lyrics, well… it’s the difference between the old Friday the 13th movies and the current Saw movies, isn’t it? Their understanding of violent lyrics as ridiculous slapstick, fantasy, and emotional catharsis has been replaced by a seeming thirst for violence as, y’know, violence. They don’t have Barnes’ sense of gallows humor; sometimes it seems like they really do wanna fuck someone with a knife.

And have you seen the fans at some of these death metal show recently? It’s called “soap,” fellas. Look into it.

I swear on my life that I will listen to and love Cannibal Corpse until the day an angry MS reader finally uses the lyrics to “Split Wide Open” as an instruction manual for what to do with snarky bloggers. But I can never forgive them for the havoc they’ve unleashed.

-AR

  • Metalguy

    I can totally see this. No gurgly vox wihout barnes

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anthony-Showalter/100000592087843 Anthony Showalter

      Yeah, when you hear early death metal, bands like Obituary and Entombed sounded more like evil hardcore vocalists than inhuman demons like Barnes or Mikael Aekerfeldt.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anthony-Showalter/100000592087843 Anthony Showalter

      Yeah, when you hear early death metal, bands like Obituary and Entombed sounded more like evil hardcore vocalists than inhuman demons like Barnes or Mikael Aekerfeldt.

      • Aaron

        Aekerfeldt has a queer fucking girl voice what the hell is wrong with everyone!?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anthony-Showalter/100000592087843 Anthony Showalter

          How the fuck did that get posted twice!?!?!

        • Ty

          Lol how does Aekerfeldt have a queer fucking girl voice? Just because he sometimes uses clean vox?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chad-Anderson/1350940795 Chad Anderson

            I agree, Akerfeldt’s voice is amazing, esp. from Blackwater Park on.

        • soy el niño más bonito

          are you crazy? lol dude has one of the most savage growls in metal. his clean voice is smooth, round and it’s got a good amount of low end in it. he’s an incredible vocalist.

          • Lordassenfroth

            akerfeldt is one of the most brilliant vocalists out there

        • Krome

          Hey asshole, respect for Opeth
          You don’t like prog; that’s your problem – go fuck yourself

  • Armando

    Agreed.
    Except that I think you may wanna credit Suffocation with inadvertenly creating Deathcore since they are one of the first bands to use breakdowns in death metal. If not the first.
    The only difference is that Suffocation continue to build on their legacy of good music where as Cannibal Corpse are becoming a parody of themselves. Love both bands though.

    • Ares (Formerly Anthony Showalter)

      Suffocation was Definitely the band that led directly to deathcore, ’cause they had those slower, groove oriented passages. I was listening to them and thinking “I can just hear Despised Icon taking notes on this.”

      • Killer Kovarik

        Dying Fetus laid the path as well

        • http://buttor.blogspot.com Buttor

          Dying Fetus started their career as Suffocation ripoffs…

    • John

      That is undeniable

    • alliaphagist

      I’m sure Suffocation is coming. They’ve even mentioned them here before as spawning a lot of terrible bands.

    • SourDeez

      The breakdown in Liege of Inveracity is a thousand times better than any deathcore breakdown, but I can completely see how that kind of shit influenced every deathcore band ever.

    • Lord Shay

      yes, Suffocation may have had something to do with it, but still… they are the ones who released Pierced From Within upon the world so in my eyes they are still gods =]

      • killer kovarik

        Dying Fetus only has a couple good songs, Suffocation is ten times better

  • rupert

    This is a great list. Good post and some great food for thought.

  • http://www.flamingtusk.com Zosimus

    Oh man, this is gonna be a GREAT list.

  • Audi0phile

    Their existence is worth it though.

  • Lordassenfroth

    i like cannibal corpse

  • http://www.kingdomofnoise.blogspot.com MetalMatt

    I can see i’m gonna like this series. Great bands that inspired complete meatheads.

    • ColinJ

      Or to be more blunt ‘Great Bands Who’s Fans Fucking Suck’, which basically includes any hardcore band with the pit-ninja fuckheads at their shows.

      • TXHellbilly

        Agreed

      • Steph

        Tool would top that list.

        • dread

          I will blow any man who can convince me that Tool is a hardcore band.

  • soy el niño más bonito

    never really got into cannibal corpse

  • soy el niño más bonito

    never really got into cannibal corpse. however i didn’t like suffocation at first and now they’ve grown on me so maybe i should give them another shot. what should i check out first?

    • Armando

      Human Waste EP and go from there.

      • soy el niño más bonito

        haha i didn’t make myself very clear and i apologize for that. what i meant to say is that because i dig suffocation now i should give cannibal corpse another shot. i haven’t heard human waste though so i’ll probably check that out too. thanks bro chi minh

    • IAmTheClitCommander

      For Cannibal Corpse, go straight to Tomb of the Mutilated… It’s timelessly brutal and yet as fucking classic as it gets.

      • yetzer hara

        for me, “the bleeding” is the epitome of barnes-era cannibal corpse.

        • Killer Kovarik

          The Bleeding or Eaten Back To Life are by far the best releases by CC

      • gojirasaurus

        dont listen to him. the bleeding is soo much better

      • The Overmatt

        I’m one of the minority that thinks Kill is the best thing they’ve done. Erik Rutan’s production on it is amazing and a lot of the guys stepped up their performances.

        • Brian

          Have to agree with you Kill is my favorite CC album and they continued with the equally good Evisceration Plague. Never cared for Barnes’ vocals I’ll take Corpsegrinder over Barnes any day!

          • bretton

            I’m on the kill team too

            plus it’s the only album cover of theirs that doesn’t make me want to vomit

          • Slaughterhouse

            I agree! Corpsegrinder is much better than Barnes IMO!

  • Moose_Knuckle

    Yeah this is probably the most interesting list yet.

  • Random

    #1 has to be metallica

    • Ares (Formerly Anthony Showalter)

      Either them, or RATM for unintentionally giving rise to all that talentless nu metal garbage.

      • Joshie

        I say it’ll be Faith No More.

        • Dani

          Slipknot

          • http://live.com 5

            can’t be slipknot. the band in question must be great first, then inspire crap. slipnot is the crap, not the inspiration

          • BrutalBee

            Agreed

      • SonOF

        Biohazard should be on the list as well. Gave hundreds of bands the idea that it was a good idea to mix rap and metal, while so few did it well.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chad-Anderson/1350940795 Chad Anderson

      Yes, I can definitely see Metallica being at the top. Pretty much everybody who is introduced to metal hears Metallica first.

    • Daniel

      This

  • http://www.myspace.com/thedaisyanthesis martin_rb

    This list is going to be AWESOME.

    I think we’ll be seeing some botch, dying fetus, dillinger, psyopus, tool, meshuggah and converge, Municipal Waste in there too. Maybe The Red Chord?I doubt all of these bands, but these are my guesses.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Gavin/1396340262 Mark Gavin

      I was thinking The Red Chord too.

    • BrutalBee

      Municipal Waste is gonna

  • Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt

    My name is HsH and I approve this Message.

  • jonesy

    I’d say Cannibal Corpse’s last two albums are two of their best, so they’re not becoming a parody of anything. They’re doing what they do best, arguably better then ever. No one sounds like them today. You know, the majority of metal fans are what what this blog derisively refers to as “Heshers.” I go to a Lamb of God show, it’s a sold-out crowd of 3500, I go to a Revocation show, there’s like 40 people there. I went to one of those Dethkolk/Mastodon shows and no one had any clue who Converge was. It’s fine to be a trendsetter but you don’t want end up a two-faced bitch like Decibel is. You put Cannibal Corpse and Slayer on the cover and then there’s like five fucking Converge records on your 100 best of the decade list. Get over yourself.

    • IAmTheClitCommander

      1000000000000000000000000

      • Alex_P

        Your plus, to the power of Alex. That’s a good thing.
        Evisceration Plague is an excellent album. I think Corpsegrinder is better than Barnes ever was. His stage presence is quite good as well.
        I think the metal fans are the only real problem with metal, and I say this as a teenager. There are so many good, innovative bands who have sprung up in the last few years, but many people are content with boring, formulaic music. We see this with the teenaged deathcore crowd, with the aging tough-guy hardxcores, and with the brutaller-than-thou death metallers. I mean, I see people complaining about Obscura not being “true” death metal while praising Despised Icon. Seriously?

    • Fasshole

      Exactly, it’s the fucking slam bands that are parody’s of old style cannibal.

    • http://www.myspace.com/thedaisyanthesis martin_rb

      Yeah dude, I totally agree. Kill and Evisceration Plague are brutal as fuck; there is still tons of integrity in that band. They’re not becoming a parody of themselves, they still make honest and relevant music that always sounds like they came by it so naturally. They’ve always been on top of the death metal game, and I hope when they decide to stop playing I can still say the same thing.

    • heebman169

      but converge is so goooood. they just fit being covered in a hardcore blog/ mag than a metal one is all. plus, mastodon and dethklok have done this thing called selling out? if converge got signed to sony and had a tv show everyone’d know about them too.

    • SonOF

      Wait, because MORONS who like Dethklok don’t know who one of the most influential bands in hardcore is, that’s Converge’s fault? Or Decibel’s? The reason the people at that show didn’t know who Converge is because many on the very fringe of actually liking metal; Dethklok and Mastodon might be the only metal bands they know (one of which is a fucking CARTOON BAND). That doesn’t say anything negative about Converge, it just shows that those people attending the show are ignorant.

  • Jewers

    I hope this list doesn’t just hate on any band who spawned any newer movements in metal (metalcore, deathcore, new thrash, nu metal)

    • Andy Synn

      They do have to be a GOOD band though, with an unfortunate bad following.

      +1 to the Suffocation comments… mix in their slow parts, with some Dying Fetus-esque pointless technicality (and I love DF, don’t start) and add some sub CC lyrical dross and you have…

      Waking The Cadaver, et al…

      Seriously… gore lyrics can be funny. SOmetimes they can even be good and/or clever… but I hear something like Ingested (first band that immediately sprung to mind) and their constant repetiton of the word “anal”, or “anus” and all I can think is… have you ever actually got laid guys? If so, how can you still take childish joy in sex words? It’s depressing. Seriously, check it out… everything is going in, or coming out of assholes. No pun intended.

  • http://myspace.com/shepherdsgatemusic,myspace.com/burymeinsmokemusic Michael “The Armenian Demon” Fenton

    I think that Cookie Monster should really get the credit for that type of vocal, let’s be real!

  • Kill All

    ohhh, this list is gonna kick ass!!!

    I love the Corpse and I agree that the last two albums have been two of the best.

    I also agree that Suffo started the Deathcore genre, with a little modern push by Dying Fetus.

    With that said, great bands will always create stupid followings and dumb trends.

    “The simple “HERE COMES ANOTHER BREAKDOWN!” mentality of the Oceanos and Abacabbs doesn’t come from listening to Death and Ride the Lightning; it comes from listening to Eaten Back to Life and Korn.”
    Absolute brilliant statement, sir.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rik-Powell/286400508 Rik Powell

      I don’t really get that Statement. CC and Korn don’t have breakdowns, and I’m a fan of both, and I hate deathcore and breakdowns.

  • Insomnivore

    I’m gonna put Meshuggah, Faith No More and Judas Priest on that list. Oh and Pantera for hell of it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rik-Powell/286400508 Rik Powell

      I know this isn’t going to be a popular opinion, but I’d say Pantera are the very opposite. A somewhat mediocre band who have somehow inspired a load of good ones.

      • IAmTheClitCommander

        You’re right. Your opinion isn’t popular; it’s blatantly ludicrous.

  • soy el niño más bonito

    black sabbath for should be on here for starting the entire damn thing

    • Killer Kovarik

      alrignt so you wish metal had never been started?

  • Anthony

    Well I guess FNM is definitely gonna be on this list, even though Korn inspired followers and the numetal trend far more than FNM did. I listen to Korn and can’t find the FNM influence in it. Honestly. Or at least not in the Mike Patton stuff, especially the Angel Dust album, which Munky from Korn says was the FNM album that inspired him the most.

    And yeah I know, the MS people hate Korn so wouldn’t consider them “A great band that inadvertently helped ruin metal”, but they also think the At the drive-in album that Ross Robinson produced is a landmark album. So there’s that.

    And I know, I chose the wrong article to comment on. I don’t even like Cannibal Corpse.

    • Aaron

      Relationship of Command was the greatest album At The Drive-In ever put out and anyone who argues with that fact is wrong and just trying to sound like their tastes are more interesting than they are.

      • jason

        not only that, it is the best album robinson ever produced.

        • chris

          even though relationship of command is the fucking shit it doesn’t matter, we now have the mars volta, everything at the drive in did is no longer necessary

  • Harold

    Number one is Black Sabbath.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kasper-Maigaard/1027001938 Kasper Maigaard

    #1 has to be the band responsible for introducing the world to the metal stereotype (long hair, torn jeans and maybe a vest, and a black t-shirt). I don’t know who that is, but my money is on Napalm Death.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kasper-Maigaard/1027001938 Kasper Maigaard

      Well, not really, but I think it’s a qualified guess.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brandon-Forde/666126214 Brandon Forde

        I would say earlier than Napalm Death.

  • Brandon Tucker

    Ur a fucking idiot blaming cc for causing deathcore.
    I would follow that up but texting rants is a bitch

    • Andy Synn

      I think you may have missed the point/taken this a tad too seriously.

      This is not a tribunal where we put bands on trial, we simply expose and address issues of their retarded offspring being unable to do anything constructive with their influences.

      Think of it like this… Cannibal Corpse put their DNA in a big musical sperm bank. Unfortunately Anna Nicole Smith was the first person to get to their sample and produced retarded fish-frog babies. Not CC’s fault… they had to pay the bills somehow.

      • BrutalBee

        XD

  • Shinaain

    This list is wide-open.

    My predictions: Pantera and VAN HALEN, but I won’t venture to guess which will be #1. I can think of 10 others straight off the top of my head, but I figure those two are definitely shoo-ins for this list.

    And it’s so totally not their fault. :/

  • Brian \m/(-_-)\m/

    wow. i was skeptical about this list to start, but im actually quite intrigued now. good post, im looking forward 2 the rest

  • Killer Kovarik

    Cannibal Corpse was amazing until Corpsegrinder joined

  • http://www.conorschaefer.com/blog/ Conor

    Goddamn, Axl, THANK YOU! This is why I read this blog! Well said, and keep the (pseudo-) intellectual fare coming!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Livingston/25310975 Robert Livingston

    Why is everyone mentioning RATM? They’re not even metal. I mean, I’m a RATM fan and all, but I would definitely not call them metal.

  • http://www.midwesternmetalhead.blogpsot.com Joseph Strombladder

    I smell Tool, Slayer, and Pantera to come…

    And i hope Isis, too. Post-Metal boom < Neothrash boom, even if Post-Metal is better as music.

  • Bicro

    Barnes was shit, although the albums were classics.

    Corpsegrinder? GREAT.

  • c-grind

    …so where does JFAC land on this list?

    • joshkid

      you’re right. JFAC is a really good band but they probably spawned the whole deathcore image. The shorts/stretched earlobes/short hair thing.
      Kickass list btw.

      • c-grind

        Indeed. I really dig Genesis, (the newest album, not so much….) and while they are good musicians and what-not, their Doom EP probably inadvertantly gave rise to 30% of crap death core bands and led to/popularized the whole “ree ree oooor oooor” squealing crap. Also, I think BMTH might make the list…..although I grew up on Count Your Blessings and it is somewhat special to me, the band inspired scene kids and still causes massive falme wars on Youtube…..

  • rancidcorpse

    stupid ass list

  • c-grind

    ….so where does JFAC land on this list?

  • http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/4b4cb175e217f6cf651b59492d761af3?s=80 BrayseLaygz

    i said it a few days ago and i’ll say it again…fuck chris barnes. he’s put himself up on this pedestal of ‘my vocals are never digitally manipulated’ but since all the other instruments on every other record hes on has effects (the drums are triggered, the guitars are distorted) his vocals just dont fit in at all. they sound like some youtube ‘cover artist’ dubbed his vocals over the music in garageband. you gotta have some reverb or echo or SOMETHING.

  • Patrick

    Cool list.

    I probably like bands that owe their style to this band.
    I don’t listen to Cannibal Corpse but respect their band.

  • Dysenteric

    Hmmm… I’m indifferent to this list so far, seeing as I’ve never really cared for Cannibal Corpse, much as I’d like to.

    To be honest, I don’t really care one bit if one great band were indirectly or directly responsible for bad trends and bands. I’m not going to bitch about legendary bands just because the majority of bands that take influence from their music may suck horribly. I also don’t believe that these bands were responsible for ruining metal. You just got to learn to pick the wheat from the chaff.

    I’ll see how the list turns out before I say anything else. Could go either way.

    • Dysenteric

      And metal isn’t ruined. Not perfect, granted, but further away from fucked. Metal is bigger than a few legends and a legion of deathcore bands who could very easily be mistaken for Deez Nuts.

  • Dillon

    Pantera is definitely going to be on this list. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if Burzum came up either. So many groups these days are basing their career off Dauði Baldrs without even knowing it!

  • SourDeez

    Now this is a great list. Quite a few excellent, classic bands fit into this category. My guesses for some other inclusions: Emperor, Iron Maiden, Korn, Killswitch, Pantera, Motley Crue.

    • Killer Kovarik

      If Emperor are on this list i’m gonna be pissed, emperor are amazing

      • SourDeez

        That’s the point, they’re an amazing band, yet they’re inadvertently responsible for a whole bunch of shitty generic symphonic black metal.

  • Brian

    Nice article Axl. The problem is you could pick any of the early death metal bands to write the same thing about. The problem with death metal in general is that it’s so limiting that very few bands stand out at all becoming just a jumble of cookie monster vocals. The fact that Chris Barnes and Corpsegrinder are good enough to stand out at all is a testament to their ability. And this new pig squeel thing is just fucking annoying!!

  • Daniel N

    anyone care to take a guess on the top 10?

    Cannibal Corpse
    In Flames?
    Mastodon?
    Immortal?
    Maiden?
    Van Halen?

    • new noize

      My votes go for Refused, Helmet, Neurosis, ATG, and Dillinger.

      • ~Ja5oN~

        definitely going with you on At The Gates, they spawned melodic death metal and are perhaps metal core’s biggest influence.

      • Steph

        Refused is a good call, the shape of punk that actually came wasn’t that great.

    • c-grind

      I don’t see why VH should be on the list, they did their thing, and unless I havn’t seen it yet, a band has yet to recreate what they did and turn it into a stupid trend

      • Deven

        No but Eddie Van Halen did influence the whole neo-classical shredding movement.

        • c-grind

          OK you’re right there…..

          never heard of ATG…..I see them mentioned a lot, but not all of it is good stuff, so I’ve never given them a try :/

          • Hey_Yo

            ohhhhh. At the Gates? Do your homework

    • DustintheWind

      Guns n fuckin Roses, #1… And being a metal fan and not liking (or at least respecting) Cannibal Corpse is like being a Christian that doesn’t believe in the bible…

    • SourDeez

      They’ve already said Mastodon isn’t on the list. They’ve only spawned a few shitty clones, not a whole legion.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pete-Simone/60802652 Pete Simone

        I bet Killswitch Engage is the one band from the previous list on this list. They’ve spawned more than their fair share of shitty emulators.

  • needly needly doo

    cannibal corpse blows dick honestly….. there are a hundred bands that do what they do but just better

  • Ziltoid

    Ugh, this crap. Easily one of the worst of the “pioneering” American death metal bands. Of course they were the one to get popular with the gore gimmick.

    • Alex_P

      Admittedly, they aren’t as good as Death (who more or less started the whole gore thing, and then abandoned it), Morbid Angel, Deicide, Autopsy or any of the other great Florida bands. However, I feel they made enjoyable music if not art per say, and this list is of course based on popularity. You’d best turn elsewhere, as I fear there may be Pantera around the corner.

    • Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt

      Without an ensuing argument Zilty, whom do you consider a “Pioneering” American Death Metal Band? (and you cant say Death that’s too easy)

      • Ziltoid

        Atheist
        Cynic
        Death
        Malevolent Creation
        Brutality
        Massacre
        Obituary
        Nocturnus
        Morbid Angel
        Immolation
        Suffocation
        Incantation

        Pretty much the entire Florida and New York death metal scenes. Totally different sounds that helped solidify death metal as a unique and thriving genre.

        • Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt

          All of which (excluding Death [Mantas]) came AFTER Cannibal.

          • Ziltoid

            Absolutely not. Most of the bands on my list were formed before CC. CC formed in 1988 (first album released in 1990), and bands like Atheist (1984), Cynic (1987), Morbid Angel (1984), Nocturnus (1987) and such came way before. The NY death metal (Suffo, Immo, Incantation) on my list came after CC’s debut, and that’s because NYDM started a bit after Flrida DM.

            You really need to know your music better.

          • Ziltoid

            Absolutely not. Most of the bands on my list were formed before CC. CC formed in 1988 (first album released in 1990), and bands like Atheist (1984), Cynic (1987), Morbid Angel (1984), Nocturnus (1987) and such came way before. The NY death metal (Suffo, Immo, Incantation) on my list came after CC’s debut, and that’s because NYDM started a bit after Flrida DM.

            You really need to know your music better. Go look it all up on M-A if you want.

          • Ziltoid

            Bleh. Double post.

          • Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt

            Albeit your timeline is correct ( I stand corrected : ) ) I believe we were talking about “Pioneered”. And thus It was correctly stated ” If you,ve enjoyed any Death Metal Song ever..you owe Cannibal a Hand job” Now your OPINION on Cannibal is duly noted Ziltoid, however their effect, and direct Influence on Death Metal as a whole cements their Pioneer status. Matched IMHO only by Death

            Glen Benton can eat a dick.

  • Walker

    Rest of List.
    Hatebreed
    Pantera
    Korn
    Metallica
    Nirvana
    As I Lay Dying
    Cradle of Filth
    DEP
    Iron Maiden

    Every band listed above have spawned a movement of awful bands following in their footsteps.

    • NickB

      As I Lay Dying will not be on this list. At the Gates will most likely be on it in their place… take one listen to Slaughter of the Soul and you’ll see why.

    • gojirasaurus

      nirvana isnt metal metal and since when does cof have followers? y’mean mall goths?

  • pariah

    that graphic for this list is terrible:)

  • needly needly doo

    id rather listen to deathcore then this boring shit….evolve are you fucking kidding me? This band has been the same and always will be….the vocalist is terrible

  • Grymmbear

    I see At The Gates, Neurosis, Meshuggah, Zao, My Dying Bride, and Iron Maiden on here.

  • Amaj9

    Truthfully, Death metal is shit right now…It’s in a rut. I mean, all the good bands are the one’s that have been around for a while. Cannibal, Suffo, Hate Eternal, Necrophagist, Nile, Dying Fetus & Decapitated are basically at the top right now.

    • grammartwo

      Check out Dead Congregation. But, yeah, there aren’t many.

  • Nick

    PANTERA will be #1 on this list for sure. because of them, we got the poser-filled plagues of Nu Metal and Metalcore. Not to mention and endless parade of boring copycats. Honestly, if your town has one Metal band, I guarantee they ape Pantera and they suck ass. I also Guarantee they’ve never heard of Dark Angel or Destruction. Seriously, fuck today’s scene…

  • Figh on Hire

    Im sure the early swedish bands are gonna catch some flack. Seriously, how many metalcore bands have you heard rip off At the Gates?

  • Kye

    In Flames will be somewhere on this list. That’s a given.

    I can also see Metallica, Killswitch, Tool, Anthrax, Converge, Emperor, Paradise Lost, and Pantera having a place on here.

    • joshkid

      yeah I can see Anthrax being on this list. Rap-Metal anybody?

      • tiagón

        +1 Anthrax is a no-brainer here

    • tiagón

      also I was gonna say “no one mentioned Paradise Lost yet” but thanks FSM for ctrl+F. damn great crushers in their beggining but spawned the whole gothic & soprano/symphonic metal shit.

      and not mentioned: Celtic Frost.

  • RayRay

    Anyone who thinks CC music is not complex is a fool. CC still pave the way for 99% of death metal. They fucking kill it live and corpsegrinder is a boss. Technically Job For a Cowboy is the band that spawned deathcore who were directly influenced by Suffocation. I mean Jonny Davy on the song Entities sounds EXACTLY like Frank Mullen. Check it

  • SolaceInNothing

    In the words of Vince from The Acacia Strain:

    We are all someone elses terrible idea.

  • villanj1

    This list will be #1 on my “Top Ten Best Metalsucks.net Lists” list. Great stuff.

  • http://www.myspace.com/1033metal Jackson

    ok i skipped over about half the comments so this may have been said already but my guess is Venom will be on the list for sure

  • http://Nick Nick Mastrogany

    Although it’s been mentioned countless times already, Suffocation and even Dying Fetus really are more responsible for deathcore to an extent, at least in regards to breakdowns. However, I would say that Barnes at least IS the reason for the beginnings of this vocal style. Plus, I imagine that a lot of these deathcore bands would have first heard CC over Dying Fetus or Suffocation, due to all of the attention CC got back in the day.

    • GoingDeaf?

      That’s exactly the point…. the deathcore crowd is made up primarily of teenagers. Most bands are more influenced by their contemporaries than the originators. I imagine the majority of deathcore bands are influenced by other current, or at least recent bands….. not the old guard of CC, Suffocation, and Dying Fetus (even though they are still active). When I was a teenage hardcore kid in the 90′s, I was directly influenced by bands such as Biohazard, Sick of it All, etc… but I knew very little about the generation of hardcore/punk bands that those bands evolved from.

      Just like evolution itself, you can make a connection, but you can’t make the leap directly from monkey to man without a slew of intermediaries. It’s the same with musical styles.

  • tiagón

    Axl: this list has failed. people are enjoying it :D
    (me included)

  • C.

    Too, too true. Every day of my life I wish the current generation of bands had taken after Chuck Schuldiner instead.

    • soy el niño más bonito

      it takes too much genius to do that

  • Lord Shay

    Terrorizer or Brutal Truth deserve a spot on this list =]

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pete-Simone/60802652 Pete Simone

    Blind Guardian might deserve a spot, or at least an honorable mention. I feel like there would be no Dragonforce without them.

  • Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt

    Fuck it we’ll do it live………………

    If you think Metal today is “ruined” shame on you. Its ruined because you dont sift through the trash and find the true Gems.

    With all the hundreds of people who comment to these Blogs, theres bound to be hundreds of Different genres/styles whatever.

    IMHO I just think its pointless to dredge this list out- Case in Point, Cannibal is here #10 on the list of Bands that subsequently “ruined” Metal, however the majority of the Cannibal fans on here (Including myself) agree that their last two albums were just as good IF NOT BETTER than Barnes-era Material.

    Im fairly certain MS isnt truly “Blaming” Cannibal (as well as Pantera, Metallica, DEP, Rage, Alice N Chains. etc) But c’mon? you want to blame the downfall of METAL (which again folks- aint happenin, theres too many Jedi in the gene pool to let that happen) start with 93′-99′. Its not hard to spot em.

    • SourDeez

      I think you’re taking the whole “ruined” thing way too literally.

    • Alex_P

      Plus 1 for your comment’s O’reilly factor.

      I think ruined is more in the sense of “spawned legions of shitty bands”. I mean, you can’t really ruin metal until there no longer is one good band left.

  • zilch

    “…and that are really just trying to do what Cannibal Corpse did twenty years ago. Only they keep getting stupider.”

    Is this possible?

  • zilch

    “…and that are really just trying to do what Cannibal Corpse did twenty years ago. Only they keep getting stupider.”

    Is this possible?

    RE: Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt:
    thanks for the comedy.

    • Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt

      Im here all week..Tip your waitress.

      • zilch

        No prob. Apparently I get quite giddy in the morning.

        • Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt

          Oh so do I my friend, if I catch this blog after ive had a few cups of Coffee..its on.

        • Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt

          Oh so do I my friend, if catch this blog after ive had a few cups of Coffee..its on.

          • Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt

            Goddamn slow fucking computer….sorry guys.

  • Fugly

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Pantera are in one of the top spots on that list. It has even been mentioned here a couple of times that, as great as they were and how much of a big deal they meant when CFH first came out, they have inspired A LOT of absolute shite bands.

  • http://www.theoppositionmachine.wordpress.com the opposition machine

    at the gates has to be on this list….its not even an option

    • Sweet Dee

      How is it that At The Gates ruined metal?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jamal-Mohmed/663730590 Jamal Mohmed

    I’m going to enjoy the fuck out of this list, I can already tell. Can’t wait for the black metal entry, who’s it gonna be? Darkthrone? Emperor? Burzum? Don’t forget grindcore!

    • Genial Gentile

      My guess for Black Metal would more likely be Bathory or Celtic Frost.

      • http://www.omimetal.wordpress.com The Greys

        You could make a very strong argument for Bathory being on the list, but I think Emperor should be the black metal choice. They were a brilliant band, but they spawned tons of poor imitations, such Cradle of Filth and Abigail Williams.

  • Genial Gentile

    Ministry and/or Godflesh have undoubtedly inspired hordes crappy “Industrial” knockoffs.

  • Biff Tannen

    Cannibal Corpse was mediocre at best in their heyday with Barnes. Now they are a joke. Its a washing machine of recycled riffs and TERRIBLE vocals. This band has been writing the same boring song for the last 15 fucking years. Its lowest common denominator death metal. That’s why you see so many kids and unwashed basement dwellers at their gigs.

    • Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt

      Dude i can see your point, but I cant agree less. They’re like the AC/DC of Death Metal. They’re not trying to re-invent the wheel they’re just having fun with it. Take it for what it is an Aural Comic book.

      I love em, they’re my screen-namesake but I dont pretend they are the be-all end-all, nor should anyone else.

  • cougar party

    Sepultura will make this list.

  • Noobie McNoob

    I wanted to read all the comments, or even this entire post, but I got stuck on this line.

    ” if you’ve ever enjoyed to pretty much any death metal song ever, you probably owe Cannibal Corpse a handjob.”

    NO, NO and NO. Please do NOT rewrite history. Sure Cannibal Corpse might be popular now, but when they first came out they were considered kiddie death metal. Their fans were all 13 years old and at the time they were considered posers. Sorry to break it to you, but that is the truth, not this revisionist ‘all of death metal owes something to Cannibal Corpse’ history you are spewing here.

  • shit sandwich

    so I can see Pantera topping this list… just saying

  • Seth

    KIllswitch is bound to be way up there.

  • Dude

    Damn there are some ignorant people in this thread! It was painful reading through most of these comments, really. Cannibal Corpse in the grand scheme of metal evolution came along to the death metal scene along with every other main player, they didn’t revolutionize shit. In fact, Morbid Angel sold more records early on in the 90′s than Cannibal Corpse did. Also, let’s go through some of the death metal albums that came out BEFORE Eaten Back to Life:

    Obituary – Slowly We Rot
    Morbid Angel – Altars of Madness
    Possessed – Seven Churches (released 4 years before Cannibal even got together)
    Possessed – Beyond the Gates
    Atheist – Piece of Time
    Autopsy – Severed Survival
    Death – Scream Bloody Gore
    Death – Leprosy
    Necrophagia – Season of the Dead
    Post Mortem – Coroners Office

    One could even argue that Kreator’s Endless Pain, Sodom’s Obsessed by Cruelty and Sepultura’s Morbid Visions all had more of an impact on death metal than Cannibal Corpse did.

    This is such a terrible article, and really, most of the readers have shamefully bought into it.

  • Jesse

    Seriously, do you guys even preview your shit before you publish it? It seems like 80% of the stories, lists, reviews, and interviews have some sort of mind-fucking typo that makes me go back and hurt my brain trying to figure out what the fuck point you guys are trying to get across.

    I love the site, but for Christ’s sake, read your shit before you post it.

  • David

    Considering these’ guys love for bands like Ugly Kid Joe, I’d say #1 is gonna be a hair metal band, like Poison, or Crue…maybe Cinderella. Basically, one of those groups has gotta take the blame for making metal such a bloated pinata that bands like Nirvana, Mudhoney, and Soundgarden got to beat the crap outta in the 90′s, neutering trad. metal and forcing bands to cut their hair.

    Speaking of which, I’d make the case for Nirvana being in the top 10 as well.

  • David

    and Alice in Chains

  • Unholy Juggalo

    This is blasphemy how did Cannibal Corpse inadvertently ruin metal they made it sound heavier

  • Sigivald

    As though he felt the words to Slayer’s “Angel of Death” just weren’t violent enough, Barnes practically invented pure gore as lyrical fodder

    Carcass? Hello?

  • Lyon1535

    1. I personally don’t like CC brand death metal
    2. They by no means invented death metal. Possessed created the template and Death brought the sound out in full force. I like technical death metal and many of the old bands, and I owe nothing to CC for them. All they did was add an even deeper type of growling to death metal and spawned a lot of copies of their style.

  • Lyon1535

    1. I personally don’t like CC brand death metal
    2. They by no means invented death metal. Possessed created the template and Death brought the sound out in full force. I like technical death metal and many of the old bands, and I owe nothing to CC for them. All they did was add an even deeper type of growling to death metal and spawned a lot of copies of their style.